Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Please, Someone Make Bob Sapp Stop Already

I Recant! May the Oakland Raiders Dwell in Permanent Disarray

I recently wrote an article suggesting that even though the Raiders still are known to upset the Broncos, the rivalry has lost some of its luster. I have taken a lot of flack from Raiders fans and my fellow Broncos fans alike. Click here to read some of the comments from Raiders and Broncos fans alike. raiders While I personally try to stay away from making any personal attacks on people when I leave comments, I am more than willing to go to battle with any of the delusional, obnoxiously arrogant fools who call themselves Raiders fans. They are not even devoted to their team, they are devoted to a stupid mystique that is really a joke. They won some Super Bowls back in the day. Whoopdee doo! They are scary because they wear black, gang up on opposing fans, and are even willing to shank you. Wow, congratulations! Here is the fact. Regardless of what you did to us the last season, Oakland (and I did acknowledge that the Broncos should never take you lightly), your 4-9 record shows that you suck. Your quarterback situation shows that you suck. Your owner's ridiculous management of the team shows that you suck. Your inability to accept a Bronco fan's appreciation of our history and our rivalry shows that you suck.

This blog is syndicated with bleacherreport.com. I don't really get a lot of readers, and that is fine. It's a work in progress. I post my thoughts here, at MHR, and Bleacher Report. For whatever reason, Bleacher report automatically posted the previous article in the Oakland Raiders section. Boy, were they upset about it. How dare a Broncos fan talk down to them!

I have seen the light now. There is no other way to talk about the Raiders than condescendingly or hatefully. Their fan base is puffed up for no reason. They would like to accuse us of that, and I am sure there are some loud-mouths among us. Every team has obnoxious fans though, but no one compares to Raider Nation.

Yosemite Sam, a member of MHR, beautifully said, "I hate the raiders and especially their fans because I live in raiderland and I have to deal with them every day. That’s my starting point when I meet a raiderfan, and it is up to them to change my mind. Some have. Most haven’t."

I think I was trying to say that there are some decent Raiders fans out there, but I am starting to doubt that there are many. From now on, Yosemite Sam, I am embracing your logic. It is up to them to prove to me that they don't deserve to be despised. My first impression now will be that the Raider fans are a bunch of arrogant, classless, inhumane scumbags with a sadistic fascination with drunken mob violence and destruction which normal football fans despise.

I love my Broncos, but I am not delusional. The 2006-2008 seasons were horrendous, in my opinion. The middle of this season was a disaster too. Still, we have had a better record than the Raiders for the past few years. That is a fact. The Raiders haven't won more than five games in a season since 2002.

I hope we start stomping the Raiders like we are capable of doing every time. Josh McDaniels is not going to let the Broncos continue to take lesser opponents like the Raiders and Chiefs (44 to 13 in Kansas City) lightly; that was a Mike Shanahan thing (speaking of Shanahan, he sure had the Raiders number for a while).

I hope that Al Davis continues to make a fool of himself and ruin the Raiders in so doing. I hope he continues to fire coaches so that no stability and continuity develops. I hope he uses his early first round pick on some quarterback, wide receiver, or kicker that none of us has really heard of. I hope that quality players like Jeff Garcia continue to request that they be traded out of Oakland because they can't see any hope playing there.

I hope that I can continue to laugh hysterically at the delusional antics of Raiders fans. I hope I can hear a bunch of them saying, "Your team hasn't won a Super Bowl" or "Your team hasn't won a playoff game in years" after they lose game after game. I hope I can keep a grin on my face when I read ridiculous comments like "You’ve lost 5 of your last 7 games… So where do you get off trying to talk down to us…." from a Raiders fan whose team has lost nine of its last thirteen.

Raiders fans, you will not hear the end of it after we stomp your ugly mugs on Sunday. Happy Holidays.


This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

Comment 39 comments  |  11 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Rec'd! This says it all haha!

Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands

by BroncosNL on Dec 19, 2009 4:07 AM MST up reply actions  

wow really?

well if we are then you just LOST to the laughing stock of the nfl.
good for u…

by raiderfan4life on Dec 21, 2009 10:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Get over it...

Even a blind hog finds a nut now and then. It wasn’t so long ago that the 5 – 10 Broncos used the last week of the season to knock the Raiders out of the play offs. Its called divisional football, and it doesn’t change the fact that the Raiders are directionless, classless, heartless, and hopeless. If I were you I’d be more worried about why a team with the talent to beat Pittsburgh, Cincy, Denver, etc spends so much time in the cellar. Its not that the talent is lacking, its the utter lack of character and heart. They’re like rooting for the welfare mother who was born with a silver spoon in her mouth, but would rather sit around and eat Drumsticks and Dibs rather than support her kids. They lack any meaningful virtue.

The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 22, 2009 7:54 AM MST up reply actions  

omg

if u saw the raiders from my point of view, u would think what u just said is the biggest load of shit that you have ever seen. no offense.

by raiderfan4life on Dec 23, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

guys like predominantly orange, idaho bronc, velveeta, and mmhantra are an absolute joke.

 but dont worry about it, raiderfan.while these guys might back off a little after we prove to them just how incorrect they are, we’ll go right back to being the bad guys after this fluke team misses the playoffs by one game, again.

I only hope that these clowns think that the raider game was the game that shouldve put Denver in the playoffs.

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Dec 24, 2009 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Its good of you guys to come provide the evidence to our fun.

I was mostly joking until I started getting the Emails and stuff. Now I’m guessing it wasn’t as much parody as I thought.

Get a life.

The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 24, 2009 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, raider's fans, here is your challenge;

Yosemite has stated in beautiful prose and logic how your fan base is now perceived. Can you rebut this with similar logic and prose, or are you just going continue to reinforce the view?

by idahobronc on Dec 18, 2009 10:11 PM MST up reply actions  

i go to high school in the bay area

if i tried to pass this to my english teacher as “beautiful prose and logic” i would get absolutely torn up.

Im not sure how much research yosemite has actually put into it, but its…pretty much all garbage.

my favorite part is how he quotes raider fans as “fans of themselves, fans of their persona, fans of the fantasy, fans of whatever their own insanity they create” this is a pretty good indication that he doesn’t know very many raider fans. Raider fans love their team and the sport of football…just like you guys. we’re really not all that much different.

the last 2 lines is just an incredible arrogance that proves the writer to be so incompetent it is probably just best to leave his “beautiful prose and logic” alone. I’ve met no more than 5 bronco fans in my entire life. They were all a lot more decent than this classless jerk-off.

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Dec 22, 2009 3:30 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

100% agree

this persona about raider fans has completely gotten out of hand.
when i think of bronco fans, i think of snagletooth rednecks that fuck their sisters.
since thats the persona of bronco fans, they must all be that way right???

by raiderfan4life on Dec 23, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

i think of south park :)

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Dec 23, 2009 8:00 PM MST up reply actions  

NOW we're talking!!!

Well said Sam…

-Richee
-Measure your performance against your best competitors and consider how you can use it to beat them the next time!
-Your concious mind can only hold one thought at a time, positive or negative. Which is it going to be???

by BroncoSense72 on Dec 19, 2009 6:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Well said...

rec’d

Taylor Mays in '10

by donbok1 on Dec 19, 2009 4:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice Rant broncosculture

The only good things to come out of the Black Hole are Marcus Allen, John Madden, and any unshanked visiting Bronco fan.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Dec 18, 2009 11:27 PM MST reply actions  

Madden?

the video game, right?

by Kgrone on Dec 19, 2009 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

LOL

Its funny, because I can remember thinking as a small child that John Madden was the epitome of all the evil forces running rampant on earth. It was a conditioning thing; the end result of having Bronco maniac parents who matriculated their passions at the feet of constant humiliation from the Raiders. When Tom Jackson taunted him during the ’77 blow out Bronco victory, he seemed to be the most courageous and heroic guy that ever existed.

Its funny how laundry can effect the persona, as I’ve come to view Madden as a symbol of what’s great about the NFL.

The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 19, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Having lived in Stockton for a time...

I got to experience the “raider mystique” for myself. It was nothing. the raider mystique feels the way I think LSD would feel if you were to mix it with a gallon of Jager and cheap gin. the raider mystique is a complete joke.

John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)

Formerly known as Calijoefornia

by Joe Medina on Dec 19, 2009 2:24 AM MST reply actions  

Since some of us are already talking about the draft next year...

Let’s start a poll on what stupid pick the Raiders will make this season. Unfortunately, I’m not smart enough, nor versed enough in who are Al Davis type players (height-weight-speed), so I can’t start it. Maybe someone else can chime in. That video of last years first round pick made me think of it.

I have a co worker who is a Raiders fan. I always make fun of him. He thinks that because the Raiders were in the SB more recently than the Broncos, it somehow gives him bragging rights. He stubbornly clings to an 8-8 fantasy, even with the incomparable Al Davis running the show. He’s even renewed this long standing bet for next year, because they clearly cannot finish better than 7-9 this year. It’s sad and funny at the same time. :)

It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?

by Jason Witte on Dec 19, 2009 9:04 AM MST reply actions  

I recognize this....

I lived this righteous indignation for years, as though these Raider fans deserve a gloriously administered spanking. Somehow, the love of hating a group felt great, and in some ways, it still does. It began to rule me, to the point where I would periodically take on the role of aggression that I was blaming the Radier Fans for.

Then, periodically, and much to my own surprise, I started to challenge my own view on lumping one big group into a big, negatively perceived abstraction. Over time, it became undeniable to me that I had contradictory experience to my adopted thought-cluster.

Funny enough, most of it happened when I lived in the Oakland area for a year and a half (Lafayette, Mt Diablo blvd) but I didn’t recognize it at first. I spend a whole football season going to the bar to watch the Bronco games, and not once did I actually get attacked, or even ridiculed, actually. I noticed that those bar patrons had the same passion I had, but for another team. They would grumble, get negative about their own team, blame refs, cheer wildly and clinch their whole body in anticipation of a potentially game-winning play.

Hmm, strange, that’s like me…

The process is still in process, but ultimately where I am right now is that I beolieve what we see is two-fold. First, this Raider Mystique may have some merit, but it is that “marketing,” if you will, the draws people with preexisting problems or needs to gravitate to that. In fact, there are those black-wearing, aggressive Raider fans all over the country. I have seen them everywhere. And what demographic seems drawn to that the most? Many times, the same groups of kids who are attracted to gangs, and for the same reason. Belonging, identity, purpose. Horrifically misplaced, no doubt, but once seen under this light, I suppose being part of this raider culture is certainly better than many other choices that can be made, though I can’t imagine their friends are plentiful and at the highest quality…

The second aspect is that I strongly believe that this is an instance of vocal minority. I bet you that a great many Raider fans, fans that have followed their team for 30 years, like myself (thanks for introducing me to Broncs back int he day, dad!) are terribly embarassed by this whole drama. And I bet that they are the majority. I worked with them in the schools when I was teaching, I hung out with them at the park while playing basketball…I lived near them, as neighbors, as friends.

Finally, I think this bahavior makes sense , given the situation. What group of humans, when put into a long-standing situation of despair particularly with such a lack of control, don’t start to react with denial and fanciful images of their own greatness that has nothing to do with themselves? most humans, actually. In fact, if you take away a person’s sense of control (like Al Davis has, I can imaagine), then a person will typically act out-of-control.

Remove sense of control, person acts out of control…hmm, makes sense, doesn’t it? Let’s look at ourselves as Bronco fans during the whole pre-preseason time. We were no different. We had no control, so we generally (as a group) acted out (of control). If you account for the situation that the behavior takes place, most behavior actually makes a lot of sense.

So while I appreciate a good/bad story as much as anyone else, I do hope we can live within it and enjoy it without letting it become a true good guy / bad guy reality.

by Mhantra on Dec 19, 2009 11:54 AM MST reply actions  

This is what one raider fan had to say;
This franchise has become a joke and has alienated some long time supporters / fans. Fans who in the past have stuck together through thick and thin,,,,even when they moved to LA,,,,AS A LONG TIME (lifelong) FAN (I’m 48), and season ticket holder since their return to Oakland, I find myself no longer interested in what this team does. I can no longer support failure. I question, as do many of you, the moves made by the management, which seems to have started years ago with the benching and alienation of Marcus Allen. Now the Raiders are giving big $$$ to the likes of Javon Walker, and drafting another stiff at quarterback. The last time AL drafted an above average QB was Stabler, we know we lucked out having Plunket on the team, (when Al’s guy was really Pastorini). The last QB with brass ones was Gannon, yet when he speaks the truth, the Raiders try to banish him. The recent draft history is not much better. So Raiders, as much as this pains me, I have given you notice. You are officially on HIATUS to me. AL and Cronies, will no longer get a dime from me, and my season tickets will be no more after this year until you all are gone, and there is new blood and new ideas at the top,,,,until then, RAIDERS, I bid you farewell,,,,,Only In America

by bfree2bronc on Dec 19, 2009 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

The Faders

will wallow in disarray as long as Al Davis is the owner. He doesn’t want to win. He wants to be a controlling puppet master. He probably still complains about all the calls that his team didn’t get in the 70’s. He should be happy that his overrated team won one ring that decade. The Steelers always used to beat them in the big game back then. The only time that they won an AFC Championship Game against them, Franco and Rocky were hurt. And, they shouldn’t have been in that game. The two best teams in the AFC that year were the Steelers and Patriots.

Back then, if Denver had a QB like Elway, or even Plummer, they would have made the playoffs earlier than 1977, and would have taken some AFC West titles away from Oakland.

by PABroncofan on Dec 20, 2009 10:37 AM MST reply actions  

A sad commentary on raider fans

is the shining of a laser pointer light in the eyes of the Bronco players at the game today. I have a green laser pointer and I use it to point out constellations; it’s that powerful. It’s a mere 3 milliwatts in power and is sold everywhere. It is also capable of blinding a person by burning their retinas and that is clearly stated in the instructions and on the pointer. The act of shining a laser light in a player’s eyes is not just classless, it is a dangerous act.

When discussing raider fans en masse as epitomizing the dregs of society, I stand my ground.

In more straightforward terms: rAIDER FANS SUCK. PERIOD..

Wherever you go, there you are.

by YosemiteSam on Dec 20, 2009 6:24 PM MST reply actions  

Yeah that was unacceptable

I just hope it wasn’t a Bronco fan. Either way that person should be strung up over the Goalposts and Hung.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Dec 20, 2009 6:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Was it a Raider fan ?

How does anybody know who was using the laser pointer ? If it was a Raider fan he had to be surrounded by bronko fan right ? why wouldn’t bronko fan turn him in ? or allow Raider fan to use it in first place? I think it was drunk bronko fan who didn’t know what was going on he he was so drunk !!!

by baseballfanzz on Dec 20, 2009 7:01 PM MST up reply actions  

quite frankly, this thread is sad

the comments rec’d here should be flagged!!

im a raider fan, born and raised in oakland, and i don’t like the broncos at all but this is ridiculous and for the most part, untrue.

I know tons and tons of raider fans, and just about all of them love the team and football. The same reason you guys root for the Broncos. After these last 7 years raider fans have had to endure, how can you question our faith? or do you think that because our team is horrible, we should simply jump ship? It’s easy to be a band-wagon saints fan, but REAL fans stick to their team when the going gets tough.

Now I’m not going to say that there aren’t crude, despicable raider fans out there. because there are. But theres good and bad everything. there are bad school teachers, bad priests, and yes, even bad bronco fans (i.e. laser-pointer guy)…my point being: to say that its only raider fans is appalling.

In your long essays of how horrible, cruel and unfaithful raider fans, you give off the same vibes of hate, arrogance and stupidity that you’re going against. I came over to see how Bronco fans interpreted how that last game went, and instead met a barrage of stupidity.

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Dec 22, 2009 3:23 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Dude...

…you should check out the average Raider fan outside Oakland. You’ll notice that i clarified that I can’t speak to the Oakland set. But the average Raider ‘fan’ around here is anything but. They are clueless about football and drawn to the Silver and Black because thats exactly the image your owner tries so hard to perpetuate. Don’t hate us because Al Davis is wrong.

The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 22, 2009 4:28 PM MST up reply actions  

1st off..i dont hate anyone

and i definitely dont disagree with you because al davis is wrong. and if the average raider fan in Colorado is like that, then thats pretty freaking sad. But take it from me, a true die hard raider, nfl fan that’s telling you

1. most raider fans are sick of al davis
2. raider fans love their team because it is/was the local team. the silver and black and all the history is something i enjoy, but it isnt the reason i love my team.
3. its a stretch at best that the people here are referring to “raider fans in Colorado,” because for the most part it just sounds like a bunch of pissed off folks saying shit like “raiders fans suck. period.”

im not tryin to come in and start shooting everyone down. i just cant STAND incompetence.

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Dec 22, 2009 10:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I understand what you're saying...

…and I definitely respect the die hards that have suffered so much. I’m sorry if I personally offended you, as I hoped my little offering was enough over the top to be farcical— although its honestly not too far from the truth around here or back in Colorado.

The fact is, there are a lot folks doing the good and real Raider fans serious discredit out there. However, it hasn’t happened in a vacuum. Since I became NFL and Broncos aware in ’76, Mr. Davis has clearly and intentionally cultivated an image that has not only resonated, but has also slimed Raider Nation as a whole. That was my only point.

The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 22, 2009 10:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Almost the entire raider fan base in the Los Angeles Basin (including Orange County)

consists of Gang Members, Welfare cases, thieves, inmates, and other assorted low-lifes. The other three have poor judgement. That is not opinion, it is Fact.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Dec 22, 2009 8:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't forget the video of Tommy Kelly dropping his pants in Sunday's game.

Now that was funny.

2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Dec 22, 2009 9:44 PM MST reply actions  

Heh heh

We in the Raider Nation appreciate the love, and the visit to Invesco. See ya next year Broncos fans.

by rightnasty on Dec 24, 2009 5:39 PM MST reply actions  

Lol

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Dec 25, 2009 2:57 AM MST up reply actions  

And They beat us at home with the Play offs on the line...we should not talk at all!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Dec 25, 2009 6:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

MileHighReport(MHR) is the ultimate independent resource for the Denver Broncos on the web. Along with MHR Radio, the official podcast of MHR, we look to provide hardcore Denver Broncos fans positive, independent insight about the Broncos, 24/7/365!

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Haleycriesalot_small
Pre-Free Agency Thoughts
Ph_small
2011: MHR I Need Your Help With An Upcoming Post
Zozobra_small
Explaining What "IT" Is that Tebow Has: An Analysis of the Art of Miracles
Pumpkin_small
The risk/reward analysis on drafting RBs earlier vs later
Images-2_small
Calling out IAOFM

Recent FanPosts

Small
CHEAP SKATES
Denver-broncos-wallpaper_1__small
The Solution
Pumpkin_small
MLBs - what we have and what Fox and Del Rio historically want
Small
It's the most wonderful time of the year!
Small
Mock Offseason 2.0
Images_small
outsider look on some potential Denver FA targets
La_la_land_small
1st Round Mock-Don't Read It If You Don't Like Mocks
Small
Needs based FA and Draft by position

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Getting Social With MHR

Facebook_badge_medium_medium
Black_generated_button

Milehighreport_email_medium

Web Stuff


 

Listed on BlogShares Top NFL Fan Sites


General Manager/Head Coach

Milehighreport_small John Bena

2011_small KaptainKirk

Asst. Head Coach

Dadndaughter_small Tim Lynch

2_small Sayre Bedinger

Bronco-pride_small Brian Shrout

Broncohoodie_in_africa_small Troy Hufford

Position Coach

182px-jesus_small Jezru

Flag_canada_small Colby

Img_0007_small Topher Doll

Small zsheely

Hottie_small Sarah_Marshall

Quality Control

800px-john_brown_painting_small mdierk