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Happy Wednesday, and welcome to a day-late, dollar-short version of ST&NO.    First of all, big up TJ for working hard to bring in his outstanding The Dude Abides... Stats That Don't Lie in a day early.  I am a bit healthier on Tuesday as I write this, and I am going to see what I can get cranked out in one day, with moderate sneezing, and a heavy Day 1 of close workload in that pesky day job.  I didn't take notes, and I didn't remember to record the Broncos game, so I am without a lot of detail this week, and will need to speak more generally than usual.  No time to waste, so let's not waste any time.  Ready..... BEGIN!!!

1.  So I mentioned that I would be in the Constitution State, and that I'd be playing in a football game with my friend Tony, a diehard Giants fan.  The morning game was fun, but I ended up pretty sore, for those who asked.  It's tough playing once a year at the most. 

As for the night game, well, my mom is not what you'd call a high-tech person.  Every time I visit, without fail, there's some junk Coby brand DVD player she wants me to plug into some junk/old TV set without RCA inputs.  (You have to drop like $40 on an RF modulator to run through coax, which is about 2.5 times the price of the DVD player.)  The "how" of plugging in a DVD player is too daunting for my mom to even give it a try for herself.  In her main TV-watching area, she has a 21ish-inch Symphonic brand LCD flat screen that I am sure came from Wal-Mart.  Her equipment is garbage, but it works for her I guess.  Law & Order SVU looks fine on it.  (I don't mean to make fun of my mother; she just doesn't share my priorities, or general attitude toward spending a few extra bucks for quality gear.)  It turned out to be moot anyway, because NFL Network is on a premium tier she doesn't subscribe to.

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So, what to do?  Well, Tony was still around.  I asked if he wanted to go to a bar for the game, but he ended up inviting me to his parents' house to watch, which was cool.  His dad, also Tony, is also a big Giants fan.  I usually watch football alone, because I don't consider it to be a social activity.  It's really kind of become my job, and I do best when I can take notes, and pause and rewind, and focus on being analytical.  I will talk to my brother Chris sometimes during games, but that's annoying, because my DirecTV feed is always 2-3 seconds behind his, so he knows what happened before I do.

Last Thursday, I sat in the living room with Tony and Tony.  Tony Version 2.0's mother, and his girlfriend Ana, were there for most of the first half.  I like them both very much, but having women around for a Broncos game was a whole other level of different for me.  Like, I don't think it has happened since I was married, and that ended Halloween 2007.

But I digest.  (I just had a sandwich from Tomayydo Tomahhdo for lunch.  It was excellent, as always.)  Back to the lecture at hand.  I'm watching this game with two Giants fans and their women, and I got it in my mind that I was going to be really respectful of the Giants one way or the other.  It turned out I had to do so in the one way, and not the other, which made me happy.  For me, it's easier to be gracious in victory than in defeat. 

The Broncos dominated the Giants, and in my opinion, played their best all-around game of the season.  Kyle Orton threw one bad ball that he'd like to have back.  The Giants got one receiver wide open on a well-conceived rub play where Alphonso Smith and Andre' Goodman ran into each other.  The line had those 3 stupid scoring-area false starts, and gave up one sack, on the opening play of the game, and it came from the free rusher on a blitz (which puts it on coverage and Orton).  Other than those few plays, and a sense that Correll Buckhalter went down a little too easily a couple of times, I wouldn't change much of anything. 

McGeorge asked after the San Diego game if I still stood by my 11-5 prediction.  I wanted to see how the Broncos did against New York, but after that, I sure do.  The Giants game showed the exact formula that the Broncos can use to beat just about anybody.  On defense, it was coverage, pressure, and gap control.  On offense, it was sharp routes, great catches and good throws, combined with hard running and excellent run blocking.  If the Broncos play like that, they will crush the Raiders and Chiefs, and end up with a minimum of 10 wins.  They match up pretty well with both the Colts and the Eagles, too, and I think they can win 1 out of those 2 games.  Here is my rationale for saying they match up well.

Indianapolis - The Colts are not a complete team, but nobody really is in the salary cap era.  What the Colts are is a team which is constructed around the idea that their QB is going to give them leads, and that their defense will therefore need to protect leads.  What does that mean?  Well, they value zone coverage and pressure from their DEs.  If you make them defend both the pass and the run on any given snap, you can score on them without a lot of trouble.  Because the Colts can't stop even an average running game with 7 men, their SS Melvin Bullitt runs down into the box very frequently, and the Colts are therefore susceptible to being beaten over the top on play action, if you can run against them.  It was no accident how the Texans got out to a big lead Sunday.  They ran and threw, and had the Colts defense off balance early.  The Colts rookie CBs couldn't handle Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter, and I'm here to tell you, they have nothing for Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal either.  The Texans can't handle Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis, and the Broncos can, assuming Ryan Harris is fully back by then.  The Broncos can block the Colts DEs, beat their CBs, and move their front seven in the running game.

Remember this point.  Just because the Colts are 3rd in scoring defense (just behind Cincinnati and Dallas, and just ahead of Denver) doesn't mean they have a good defense.  They really don't.  They have a defense which is equipped to take care of leads by making teams gain yards in smallish chunks, and by sacking QBs with edge pressure.  That, combined with Peyton Manning's constant use of the whole play clock leads to low-scoring days by opposing offenses

The trick, of course, is defending the Colts, and that's where the Broncos have historically struggled.  This Broncos team, however, is better equipped than any in recent memory to have some success.  The Colts do best when they can run the ball, and I like the Broncos' chances to stop their running game with 7 ½ men (meaning Brian Dawkins is starting in a cover-2 shell, but keying run first).  By stopping the Colts run, you take away their play action stuff, which makes Peyton Manning beat you with perfect throws, and his receivers beat you with perfect routes.  Which, of course, they can do, but it's a harder go than the other way.  I like the secondary matchups pretty well for the Broncos, from Champ Bailey against Reggie Wayne, Andre' Goodman against Pierre Garcon, Ty Law or Alphonso Smith against Austin Collie, and either Law or Josh Barrett against Dallas Clark.  The Clark matchup is key against the Colts, and I like Law and Barrett, depending on down and distance, better than anybody else's sub-package guys in the NFL for covering a big-time TE.

I'm not saying the game will be a runaway Broncos win, just that I can easily make a case for them TO win, and that I think they CAN win.  What do you think?

Philadelphia - This is a game the Broncos SHOULD win.  The Eagles are a lot like the Giants, from both schematic and personnel perspectives.  From the angle of attacking Philly's defense, you can outside zone them to death, like the Broncos did so well against the Giants.  That's because their LBs tend to be bigger, slower guys who struggle a bit to cover the lateral width of the field.  Will Witherspoon is an exception to that archetype, but Chris Gocong, Joe Mays, and Moise Fokou are vertical players.

You have to block the Eagles' blitz packages, and it really helps to stay on schedule against them.  That's a bit easier than it is against a Baltimore or Pittsburgh, because you can run the ball.  (They're currently ranked 8th against the run, but trust me, you can gash them if you try a little.)  In the passing game, you'd like to exploit Asante Samuel, who bites on a ton of double moves.  Yes, he's a ball-hawk, but he doesn't shut anybody down.  He can catch extremely well, and he's an excellent tackler, but he's just an okay coverage player.  Sheldon Brown is kind of the opposite; better in coverage, but lesser as a ball-hawk and tackler.  Where you can kill the Eagles is from the slot, and with TEs, especially if you block their blitz packages.

Offensively, the Eagles are a big-play offense, and the Broncos have been as good as anybody in the NFL at limiting big plays.  Brent Celek got paid Tuesday, and he deserved it.  He's a very good receiving TE.  The Eagles don't have a big, physical #1 type WR, but they have two speedsters outside with DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin.  The guy I think is dangerous is Jason Avant, who is much stronger and more physical than the average slot receiver, and he's a tough matchup for the average thin/quick nickel CB.  Of course, Alphonso Smith and Ty Law are both thicker/stronger players, so it's less of an issue.  I don't fear the Eagles running game, because if you stop it early, they quit going to it.

This game can go either way, obviously, but the Broncos are well-equipped to get a good road win in Philadelphia.  I feel pretty good about both games, actually.  So, yeah.  I still like the 11-5 prediction.

2.  Information From My Eyes - Other Games:

a.  Richard Seymour is still playing at a high level in Oakland, despite his fairly modest statistics this season.  I watched him defeat the left side of the Cowboys offensive line several times on Thanksgiving Day.  Seymour's contract is up after this season, and you have to think he'd rather not re-up with the Raiders.  Of course, given the price Al Davis paid, he probably gets franchised.  If he somehow isn't, I'd sure like to see him in Denver.  Forget all this nonsense about building exclusively through the draft; as we've all hopefully realized this season, a team should take any approach available to it, in order to acquire the most good players possible.

b.  Anthony Spencer had the best game I have ever seen him have for the Cowboys.  Some Dallas fans took exception with my  calling Spencer "just a guy" in Week 3, and if he keeps playing like he did last Thursday, I'll have to rethink my evaluation.

c.  I have been a fan of the Cowboys' passing scheme for several years now, going back to the end of the Parcells regime.  In 2007, when I started to make it my business to watch teams other than the Broncos closely, Jason Garrett was the young, hot name as the Offensive Coordinator, and Jerry Jones paid him a lot of money not to leave for jobs in Baltimore and Atlanta after the 2007 season. 

When Tony Sparano left to become the Dolphins Head Coach last season, it came to light that Garrett hadn't been the primary playcaller in 2007, and that he'd be doing it for the first time in 2008 with Sparano's departure.  The Cowboys took a noticeable step back last season, and some of the bloom came off the Garrett rose, even as he interviewed for Head Coaching jobs with the Broncos, Lions, and Rams, and seemed to initially be the favorite for the Rams job.  There was speculation that Jones would love to be out from under Garrett's $3-million contract.

Well, the point of the history lesson is that the scheme and execution look much better in Dallas lately than they have since Sparano left.  I don't know if this makes Garrett a Head Coach, but it makes him a guy who appears to have grown into his job.  The Cowboys' passing scheme is very vertical, and it does a good job of getting the ball in the hands of its playmakers.  Some will say they don't get Roy Williams involved enough, but those people believe more in Williams than I do.  I think he is what he looks like; a lazy player, who has below average hands, lacks quickness out of his breaks, and rounds off his routes.  If there's no salary cap for the Cowboys to take a prorated hit against, I guarantee that he gets released in the offseason, and has to beg for a 1 year, $1-million contract to compete for a backup role somewhere.

d.  Charles Woodson is playing the best football of his career right now, which I have mentioned several times this season.  He had a big stat game Thursday on national TV, and now everybody is on the bandwagon with me.  I actually thought it may have only been the 3rd- or 4th-best game I have seen him play this season.  To me, he's the no-question Defensive Player of the Year so far.

e.  The Packers defense has really gotten their act together lately, and are a big key to the push they seem to be making.  I am pretty comfortable projecting that the Packers will be in the postseason as a Wild Card at this point.

f.  Jim Leonhard of the Jets is a tremendously underrated player, and I left him out of my Good AFC Safeties list last week, kind of by accident.  He is always around the football, and I've been a big fan of his game going all the way back to his days at Wisconsin.  The Broncos offered him more money than the Jets this offseason, but he chose to follow Rex Ryan.  It seems like it was a good decision for him, anyway.

g.  I watched the Short Cut of the Jets-Panthers game, and I agree with Doug Lee that Mark Sanchez's 13-of-17 stat line was very misleading.  He had happy feet, and he looked really confused a lot of the time.

h.  I've seen a few people starting to use the line which goes "If Alex Smith plays like he did Sunday, the Niners might not replace him in the draft."  Really, he has played pretty well for six games, better than ever before in his career.  I think the decision would already be made, if it was up to me.  You have a guy who is proving he can play, and he's improving even as teams get some film on him.  That rollout and throw to Frank Gore for the second TD was a thing of beauty, as Smith waited till the last possible second, and threw the ball to the only spot he could put it.  I'd be looking to improve the offensive line, and counting on having a Top-10 offense next season, with Smith, Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, and Vernon DavisJoe Staley is a solid LT when he's healthy, but General Manager Scot McCloughan really would do well to replace the other 4 starters up front.  Sunday's game was the first time in 18 games that the 49ers didn't give up a single sack.

i.  I tend to like a lot of University of Florida guys, but Ray McDonald is really coming into his own in a specialist role for the 49ers.  He looked unblockable at times Sunday.  McDonald usually plays in passing situations at DE.  According to ESPN, he didn't record a tackle, but he did recover a fumble.  I'm telling you, though, he was defeating some blocks Sunday, and bringing a lot of pressure.

3.  There are two kinds of name-droppers, and I am the second kind.  It's not like I am extremely famous (yet) with my writing for this site, but when you think about it, I'm known by more people than probably 98% of the population.  I'm definitely more famous than any of my friends and family, and in the course of telling my stories, I find it adds rhetorical flourish to mention them sometimes, and it's also fun to share my little bit of light with them.  I tell people, if they want to make ST&NO, they should do something interesting with me.

The first kind of name-dropper is the one who tries to stand in other people's light.  Our dear friend Jay Glazer is the quintessential example of this kind.  Check this douchebaggery, from Tuesday night:

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First of all, it's Too $hort, not two-short.  And, you know what?  That's all I have on that topic.  I like making fun of Glazer, but whatever, you know?  Fish in a barrel.

I am now going to name-drop a person who is as famous as I am.  I met Doug Lee for lunch in Manhattan on Saturday.  Yes, THE Doug Lee.  Friggin Horse Tracks Doug Lee, people!  Doug is a cool guy, and he suggested a great burger spot on the Upper East Side. 

The lunch conversation was very interesting, the food was terrific, and it was great to meet Doug, but the hijinks ensued when I left to get back on the road back to Cleveland.   I had parked on E 71st Street between 1st and 2nd Avenue (for 14 bucks for 2 1/2 hours.)  I came out heading south on 2nd Ave, thinking my GPS would send me back to the FDR, and the Triboro bridge, back up to catch the George Washington Bridge. 

Well, it took about 2 minutes for my boy Tom Tom to reacquire a signal, and by then I had gone south 10-15 blocks on 2nd.  Tom Tom then wanted me to go to the Lincoln Tunnel, the entrance for which is in the 30s, off 9th Avenue, so significantly south and west of where I started out.  It's an unquestionably stupid way to go, driving over the river and through the woods in Manhattan, even on a Saturday afternoon, especially considering the Lincoln Tunnel spits you out on the New Jersey Turnpike, heading toward the world-renowned hell-hole of Newark..  (Home of wred-mann.)

Where's the payoff pitch?  Here it goes.  I was sitting at a traffic light at E 43rd St and 2nd Avenue, and this Puerto Rican guy (with a flag on his shirt, incidentally), knocked on my window.  I looked at him like, WTF? But I lowered the window, and he told my right rear tire area looked like it was on fire, and was smoking like crazy.  A woman walking behind him told me the same thing, so I pulled over on 43rd and troubleshot it with my dad on the phone for awhile, before deducing that the emergency brake had probably stayed clamped to the rotor, and was causing sparks and smoke.  I watched it, with my mirror pointed down, but eventually I was comfortable enough to go through the tunnel, and eventually through Newark, and back to I-80.  The moral of the story is if somebody knocks on your window, he may be trying to be helpful, so you shouldn't look cross-eyed at him, as a matter of instinct.  Also, sometimes, Tom Tom messing up is a blessing in disguise.  If I had gone FDR to the Triboro, to the GW, It would have been all highway, with nobody walking down the sidewalk to knock.

4.  One of the hazards of relying on "insiders" for information is that it comes with agendas and spin.  Pro Football Weekly is a (Bill Williamson Memorial) decent site, but they rely tremendously on anonymous insider commentary.  They've been talking to somebody who seems incentivized to cast Raheem Morris as woefully inept.  Check this out:

Talk of the Buccaneers giving head coach Raheem Morris another offseason to turn the team around is fading fast, as his latest bold decision was another admission of failure in a season marked with disappointment. Morris seized defensive coordinator duties from Jim Bates on Nov. 24 and demoted Bates to what is being described as an advisory role, although it's not clear just what kind of involvement or authority, if any, Bates will have for the rest of his time with the organization.

Morris made a couple of mistakes in hiring his staff, but they were the kind of mistakes a first-timer can make, especially one who gets a Head Coaching job a month after most of the movement was over.  There's this persistent meme that relieving Jeff Jagodzinski and Jim Bates of their duties somehow shows Morris to be weak.  I say it's the other way around.  He realized that he had made mistakes, and he let sunk costs be sunk costs, and made the moves that he felt gave his team the best chance to win.

Morris's team is 1-10, but the Bucs have improved as the season has gone on, and it would be asinine to fire him after a season which was a declared rebuilding year, where a coach who they knew was probably hired a year too early learned the ropes.

There are a lot of haters in the world, and I relate pretty closely to Morris.  I have always been an overachiever, who has consistently beaten out older, more experienced professional competition for promotions and recognition.  Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I have a pretty good deal of talent, and a strong work ethic.  The majority of my critics have only been moderately talented people, with medium work ethics.  Let's face it, there are a lot of people in the center of the bell curve.  I am in the center of the bell curve in certain ways, and so is everybody.  I am not, though, as an accountant, and Raheem Morris is not as a football coach.

So, some 25-year career assistant who has been hired and fired 15 times is jealous of Morris and his early success.  He spouts off to Dan Parr at PFW, and Parr writes that article above.  The same thing was going on with Josh McDaniels, with the questioning of his ability, and Josh only got clear of it by winning.  Morris will, too. 

Even a guy like Marshall Faulk was hating on Morris on Sunday morning, intimating that all the young coach knew how to call was Tampa-2.  Well, for 7 end-of-game goal-to-go plays, he called press man-to-man, and his guys covered well.  On 4th down, Roddy White made a great play, and won the game for the Falcons.  Really, if Connor Barth had hit the 51-yard field goal he attempted, they would have only been playing for a tie.  I saw somewhere Morris was criticized for kicking the field goal rather than punting.  Really?  The point is don't listen to these idiots.  I'd be very surprised if the Glazer family is.

5.  I have a couple of quick college thoughts.

a.  The Head Coaching job at Notre Dame is not a good one.  I could usually take or leave SI.com's Stewart Mandel, but he has it exactly right.  The expectations there are entirely unreasonable, given the constraints they face.  If I were Cincinnati's Brian Kelly, there is no way in hell I'd take that job.  At Cincinnati, he has a program whose credibility is on the rise, and who will soon be taken more seriously in the National Championship picture.  At Notre Dame, there's just faded mystique.

b.  I am a Florida fan, and I think it is unlikely that Tim Tebow wins the Heisman Trophy.  I am actually pretty excited for the prospect of the lesser Colt McCoy winning, because history will be repeating itself.  I am projecting a win against Alabama, and a Texas win against Nebraska, neither of which is a foregone conclusion, but let's say it happens like that.  Tebow will lead Florida into a National Championship game against a guy he lost the Heisman to.  I would be really bullish for Florida's 3rd title in 4 years, even more than I already am.

c.  Speaking of the Heisman, I think it's ridiculous how it's turned into nothing more than a tool for media conjecture.  Frankly, it follows along the same line of thinking that dominates professional football writing, that all of the best players are QBs and RBs, joined by the occasional WR.  It's a total farce.

That's all I have this week.  I will be back next Tuesday for more of a full-figured ST&NO. Have a great week, and Go Broncos!

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Have the Colts faced any team with a dominant D-line?

Get well soon, Ted.

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 2, 2009 7:50 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks Ted

Always enjoy your articles. Glad your feeling better

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
Mile High Report is my favorite website. Ever!

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 2, 2009 7:51 AM MST reply actions  

ROFL

How weird is this… My dad asked me to set up a Coby brand DVD player at his house too, when I visited over Turkey Day.

As for the Broncos remaining schedule, while I like your analysis, the biggest thing for me is that they are road games. We haven’t played as well of late on the road and it’s always be tough to beat Peyton in Indy, piped in noise or not. As for Philly, the fact that the Redskins gave them a run for their money at the Vet gives me hope… however, the Broncos themselves did not fair very well against the Redskins either.

The only other factor to consider is if Indy might resting a few starters by that week. I doubt it, but it’s a small possibility.

Hope you’re feeling better, Ted! Thanks for the ST&NO!

by tunga77 on Dec 2, 2009 7:59 AM MST reply actions  

You stand by your 11-5 call only AFTER the Giants game??? That smells fishy to me. I want to see if Denver plays with the same intensity and effort vs. KC before I’m ready to say we can finish 4-1. One most excellent win is nothing more than solid foundation to build upon. Our 2009 playoff home is not yet finished, not even close. Seeing how a rested and healthy Bronco team responds vs a terrible KC team without Bowe… well, we should rout them that way San Diego did in both games.

Richard Seymour to Denver? How would we possibly fit him in the 2010 budget with home grown talent like Elvis, Marshall, Kuper, Orton, Scheff and a Top 12 pick to sign? That is a pipedream my friend. Unless Bowlen is secretly related to Boone Pickens (and Boone is a Bronco fan), I don’t see that one happening.

Who cares what Green Bay or Dallas do the rest of the season? Neither of those teams, nor any other NFC squad, have a prayer of winning a playoff road game at Minnesota or New Orleans. The NFC is a two horse race and I’m very impressed with both thoroughbreds. New Orleans is a fantastic team to watch. They rack up so many YAC. I don’t know who he is, but their offensive coordinator should be a candidate for some head coaching gig in the offseason.

Indy has too much trouble beating barely average teams like Houston and the 49ers to suggest they are in the same dominant class as Minnesota and the Saints.

Interesting take on Raheem Morris. Just another example of why I enjoy ST&NO so much.

I’m bearish of U of Florida guys (Jarvis Moss, Derrick Harvey, soon to be busts like Carlos Dunlap/Brandon Spikes, Travis McGriff or whatever that guy’s name was we wasted a 3rd rounder on, hell.. most of their WRs). Far too many busts come from the University of Florida.

I hate Notre Dame football and couldn’t be happier if they stayed down forever, but they still land Top 10 recruiting classes all the time. If a Bob Stoops could turn around Oklahoma, a Bob Stoops or Urban Meyer could turn around Notre Dame. Much to my chagrin. A great coach trumps everything else in college football.

Great read, as always.

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by McGeorge on Dec 2, 2009 8:05 AM MST reply actions  

NO has been sloppy for a few weeks

up until this Monday night. They laid down a serious smackdown for the “mighty” patriots. I thought I smelled an upset (picked NE) but boy was I wrong. I am now a big believer in NO… apart from the Broncos winning it all (one can dream!), I hope NO can hoist the Lombardy trophy at the end of the year.

Since I live in the NFC North market, I’ve seen a lot of Viking games and they have been solid for most of the year now. I still cannot believe how well Brent Fay-vree has been playing all year. But then I remember that he’s got AP and his WR’s are also impressive as heck. Rice, Harvin, Berrian, and Shiancoe is a dangerous combination.

I did find it interesting that AP has a bit of a fumbling problem as well. I never really knew that until this weekend. I’m not sure of the precise numbers but it seems like he’s as fumble-prone as Knowshon (%-wise).

The NFL gods better not mess with us and not deliver us a NO/Minny NFC Championship game. Anything less and I’m going to be very upset! ;)

by tunga77 on Dec 2, 2009 8:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Robert Ayers has shown promise, but man…. if we had drafted Harvin… Think about our return game, him as a deep threat, on running plays, on reverses…. Ohhhh… That guy is such a weapon. The opposite of the typical Univ of Florida bust.

Don’t jump on me because I know I’m playing Monday morning QB and that is completely unfair (I know that)… I’m just dreamin.

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by McGeorge on Dec 2, 2009 8:32 AM MST up reply actions  

I think we could get Richard Seymour in denver

I think next next year there may be LITTLE more money to go around. With Shany getting a new job and some of that dead money he left us will clear up. I think Marshall Elvis, Orton, Scheff will get resigned. Not so sure on Kuper as i Josh will want to bring in his type of guys. I also don’t think Graham (his contract gets expensive next year) and Moss will be here next year.

Moreno 09 and beyond!!!

by BroncoKO on Dec 2, 2009 8:25 AM MST up reply actions  

No Kuper? why?

That dead money on our cap is a sunk cost from years ago. It has no bearing on our future budget in an uncapped season.

Marshall, Elvis, Orton, Kuper are going to receive HUGE raises. I can’t emphasize that enough. HUGE raises over their current pay.

You guys are dreaming on Seymour like I’m dreaming about taking Harvin over Ayers.

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by McGeorge on Dec 2, 2009 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I’m definitely for keeping Kuper. He’s solid at G and I think he’s a prime candidate for being our LG next year with a new stud rookie RG in the mix (I hope).

As far as the money Bowlen is still paying Shanny, if Shanny takes a job next year Bowlen is off the hook for the rest of the money Shanny was to get. It will help Bowlen’s wallet and in an uncapped year that will only help us to resign/acquire talent.

Let’s see McX work their magic and do just that, resign and acquire talent.

We confide in our strength without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it. -Thomas Jefferson 1793

by c_style on Dec 2, 2009 7:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Here's the deal

I saw a team before the season, that I thought was an 11-5 caliber football team. I have never wavered one iota in that evaluation. What I was unsure of was whether or not they’d actually hit that record, after the 4 game losing streak. What I am saying is, there is sometimes a difference between being an 11-5 caliber team, and actually finishing 11-5. When the Broncos execute, they can play with anybody. When they don’t, they can lose to anybody. I wanted to see them execute again, before I would commit to a wins target.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Dec 2, 2009 8:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah yeah yeah.

We played like a 4-12 team during the losing streak and an 12-4 the rest of the season. I thought we’d go 7-9. Thankfully, you are going to be much closer than I. Hopefully, you’ll be exactly right.

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by McGeorge on Dec 2, 2009 8:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Many, many people had us going 7-9..

.. well we have already achieved that and gone past the 4-12 predictors a while ago.. what remains to be seen is if we can finish better than last years team.

We have the potential to win all our remaining games 4/5 would probably put us safe in wildcard spot or win us the division.. 3/5 could do that as well.. 2/5 getting more doubtful.. but considering who we have beaten this year i can see us taking one of the two nfc games and at least 2 of the 3 division games..

One thing that occurs to me is that McDaniels vision for this team was a physical team who would be able to compete in the tougher december games.. I would love to see that turning out like planned. I think our d will be out to once again prove that they are not the 4-12 bunch no names with an over the hill secondary and a garbage D line.. I can see some of the fire coming back that brought us to 6-0.. with Dawk leading the charge!

by HorseStance on Dec 2, 2009 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Good point.

I really thought I saw a thoroughly average 8-8 team, but that’s the actual record I felt they’d achieve.

I really think you’re right, when they execute they do play at the level of an 11-5 team, although their offense will need to raise their play to the next level of efficiency for me to feel confident of that.

But, I insist that despite the occasional offensive struggles, the stupid penalties now and then and the rather quiet year from most of our rookies – this is a team that has already exceeded expectation. I will continue to insist that the level of turmoil this squad experienced between regimes would sink most campaigns, but these guys have battled through a pretty challenging schedule and are in good position to make a playoff push right now.

I feel pretty good about things at the moment, and we have a fairly solid foundation of players – rookies included – to continue to build on beginning with the next draft.

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by TheMastermind on Dec 2, 2009 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

You can THINK a team is 11-5 (or whatever) caliber

but only until proven wrong (or confirmed). Once the season is over, that record is what caliber the team is (was). I was certain this team was better than last year’s Broncos which meant they had to be able to do at least 9-7. I thought 10-6 more likely but I am no longer so sure. It would be no big surprise if they lost one of the three remaining division games. A win over The Colts or even one over The Eagles away, would have to be considered an upset.

by warmick on Dec 2, 2009 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm with Parcells

You are what your record is.

Yes on any given Sunday, etc, etc, but that doesn’t have as much to do with how good your team is. We’re a 7-4 team in the playoff hunt.

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by Darin H on Dec 2, 2009 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

You are

such a pessimist ! Gotta luv a guy that sticks to his guns :-)

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by Sean in Pa. on Dec 2, 2009 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Bowlen has never been cheap.

I don’t know why everybody has all the sudden decided that it starts now. I know the MSM likes that speculation, but they also liked the idea that McD was planless, clueless, an in over his head. If Seymour and Wilfork both hit the open market, I’d be stunned if the Broncos weren’t players in at least one of the wars.

I mean, is the stadium not still sold out? Does he not get his billion of TV revenue? The recession is hitting the NFL is a nice and tidy expedient argument, but that kite doesn’t fly in Denver. Even if Shanny stays unemployed, his 7 mil isn’t a scale tipper between caviar and poverty.

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 2, 2009 9:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Again… Marshall, Elvis, Orton, Kuper are going to receive HUGE raises if we choose to resign them.

Bowlen is going to have to spend tens of millions of dollars to resign his own players this offseason. Denver has not had to do this in a while since we didn’t draft well in the early part of this decade. This is a new problem for Denver. One I’m glad we have.

For once, we don’t need UFA to back fill huge holes in our roster from wasted draft picks on the likes of Foster, Lelie, Middlebrooks, Tovassi, Watts, Pierce, this list goes on and on.

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by McGeorge on Dec 2, 2009 9:18 AM MST up reply actions  

I think we have to get used to the idea that not all of the UFAs are coming back. If I had to guess, Scheff and Kuper are the most likely to go. Scheff is useful, but doesn’t catch enough balls in McD’s scheme (and brings to little to the field by way of blocking) to be resigned for the money he’ll get on the open market. I really like Kuper, but he was a zone-blocking draftee. He has held up well in the transition, but still doesn’t quite fit the long-term profile the coach has in mind. On the other hand, guards are cheap.

I totally agree with the thrust of what you’re saying. We’re looking at a lot of money for the current starters. You have to ask yourself. Is the current team good enough to warrant a big pay upgrade? I think the clear answer is no.

by Chibronx on Dec 2, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes and no

I could see Sheff, esp with Quinn on the shelf. But Hamilton is gone before Kuper.

Here’s hoping Denver can find a way to draft Chris Stewart outa Notre Dame: 340 lbs worth of pulling guard with good feet.

Hang on folks, road's a little bumpy in these spots.

by pubkeeper on Dec 2, 2009 9:33 AM MST up reply actions  

How does Kuper not hold up? He is the exact same as Seth Olsen that the coach drafted? He does a very good job and doesn’t take stupid penalties.

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by Todd Jewell on Dec 2, 2009 12:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I like Kuper and generally agree with you. It’s just that OG is a position at which McDaniels may want his own guys down the road.

by Chibronx on Dec 2, 2009 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Kuper is a keeper

He is doing a good job on this line and he is young. Out of the 3 interior linemen he is arguably the most valuable for the 2010 and beyond: Weigs will be gone after 2010 at most and Hochstein has yet to prove himself as a permanent weapon (I admit he fit in as a replacement nicely). And guards do not command the money that TEs do, to say nothing of Doom/Marshall.

by si_ice on Dec 2, 2009 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

damn, you took my pun, now I'm left without a title...

The interior O-line play suffered greatly when he was out earlier in the season. granted, part of that was Hochstein’s learning curve, but that’s also a reflection of what Kuper brings to the table. IMO we’ll need a replacement for Weigman at the end of the year (I like him, but he’s a bit too old and a bit too small) and the other OG is a question mark also with Hamilton’s departure likely. given those 2 question marks, I’d say that re-signing Kuper and Harris (not sure if his contract is up yet but if not, he’s probably getting close to the end of his rookie deal) are both essential priorities.

If I had to prioritize them, it’d go something like this:

Elvis
Harris
Kuper
Orton
Marshall
Scheffler

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by Hercules Rockefeller on Dec 2, 2009 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

It is a nice quandry.

But I think the dividing line will be personnel evaluation rather than financial constraint. There is probably at least one guy on your list that will be gone, and at least another nobody yet anticipates. But in the end, I think the goal will be team improvement over pinching pennies.

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 2, 2009 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

I picked those four because we have absolutely no one on the current roster to replace them. If Sheff is gone, wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

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by McGeorge on Dec 2, 2009 9:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I just pondered my own comment...

…and regarding the guys you listed, I agree with you; which means I rapidly disagreed with myself. I think they’d be hard pressed justifying not resigning all four. However, I do suspect that there will be a controversial decision or two this off-season regarding existing talent.

Another reason I think Denver can be free-agent players is based in irony. Xanders as GM was criticized in some circles as being a reach because his expertise is Capology. Har Har Har, the critics said, you gots a cap guy as GM. Joe Ellis was a key player in the Shanahan firing, largely because he was highly critical of Shanahan’s impulsive FA excesses. It wasn’t so much that Shanny had lost his way as a football guy, but he was out of control on the financial side. It wasn’t “he’s spending too much money”, it was “He’s spending money stupidly”. The MSM ran with “too much”, because its tidy. Ellis and Xanders are both all about running a more efficient operation; not about running a cheap operation. Then you’ve got the widely panned A. Smith pick— which in its self— at the very least- freed up probably $7 mil this year for existing vets or FA’s (factor in the difference between a 1st round V. 2nd round salary + plus two huge bonuses and contracts for first round rookies this year.) So, IMO, the Broncos are already better shape than they have been in recent history. I’m very optimistic in their ability to improve as opposed to hoping that they can maintain.

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 2, 2009 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

You can't consider the Smith pick a savings

Since he was obtained in the trade for Cutler, he is an extra cost. If the pick had been saved to be used as a 2010 first round pick he would have been a Huge extra. Thanks to the Seattle trade, he’s not as costly as the pick could have been but to call it a savings is flawed. It is a savings when compared to what might have been only.

by warmick on Dec 2, 2009 11:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Trading the pick = savings

Once they had the pick, it didn’t matter what they gave up to get it. The pick was what they had. Trading a higher-priced pick for a lower-priced pick means saving money, no matter what angry ducks think.

by Chibronx on Dec 2, 2009 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

But there is a steep opportunity cost to obtain the realized savings on drafting a guy in round 2 vs a potentially better player in round 1.

Alphonso Smith has been warming too much bench to say we didn’t miss out on something potentially better in 2010.

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by McGeorge on Dec 2, 2009 11:34 AM MST up reply actions  

McG, we’ve been over this waaay too many times to rehash it. But more to the point, I wasn’t even going there in terms of Smith’s talent or the potential on-field value of a first-rounder, which is obviously higher. I’m just asking the angry duck to stop picking nits.

by Chibronx on Dec 2, 2009 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

The angry duck (twice), Mad Chibronx?

Are you looking for a fight or do you just throw out unsubstantiated denunciations habitually? As far as being angry, perhaps your focus should be somewhat inwards? I typically enjoy reading your posts but here you are doubly wrong. The "angry" reference is probably the most obvious as it is based on nothing. The other perhaps best illustrated by an anecdote. A woman (unfair I’m sure but that’s the stereotype fitting the story) considers buying a hundred dollar dress. After thinking it over, she opts for the 80 dollar dress while congratulating herself that she now has 20 dollars of "savings" to spend. Is your moniker misspelled? Perhaps it should have been Chickbronx?

by warmick on Dec 2, 2009 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

You know I strongly dislike(d) the Alphonso Smith trade and I just can’t help but get fussy when I see yet another attempt at praising the trade.

I can’t help myself. My apologies.

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by McGeorge on Dec 2, 2009 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Keep in mind Trevor Pryce was inactive every game...

…his rookie season, and he worked out pretty nicely (50-year electtee, in fact.) Smith is contributing, and he is typical of rookie CB’s in the NFL. Its way too early to close the book on that pick from a talent/potential talent perspective.

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 2, 2009 1:18 PM MST up reply actions  

damn

you guys argue a lot. I almost forgot my question and had to scroll up to remind myself. PO, where do you get your money figures? I like it, just wonder how do you really know what money the franchise spends and what they have to spend.

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by Sean in Pa. on Dec 2, 2009 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

History

Denver, under Bowlen, has traditionally spent right up to the cap. The last few years, the cap has outpaced the market to a point of extravagance. If we end up in an uncapped year, I wouldn’t expect Bowlen to morph into Dan Snyder type shopping, but I’m pretty confident if he can be sold on improving his team, he’ll write the check. There is one thing that drives the cap— which is revenues the teams have to disclose to the players. I don’t think its a reach to deduce that NFL revenues are just fine.

NFL teams, before all the gate, before concessions, parking, royalties, merchandizing, etc have a killer TV contract that they all split 32 ways. The last I saw, that figure was right around $1 billion per team. So if Invesco sat completely empty, and thus nobody bought beer, pop, nachos and parking, and if because of the recession nobody bought Aunt Sally Broncos’ memorabalia— if all that went away— Denver still has almost $1 billion in revenue. The Broncos also have a very cushy stadium deal— a huge point of political contention when the drive for Invesco took place— so the franchise gets a huge chunk of every dime spent in that building. That building seems to be hopping every fall Sunday, Monday or Thursday.

As for Ellis and Xanders, I read a lot and pay close attention. Ellis runs the business side and he was hired to by Bowlen to help with the details and make sure that Bowlen can in fact always be in a position to field a contending team. Bowlen’s heart is right where the fans want his heart to be.

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 2, 2009 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I wish

According to Forbes, the Broncos did something like $240 million in revenue last year, which is good for 9th in the league. link here. The same article says they spent $124 million on player salaries and generated nearly $40 million in operating income. So there is definitely some money there, although as always this stuff is really opaque.

by moomacher on Dec 2, 2009 5:05 PM MST up reply actions  

I was obviously wrong on the Billion.

I must have added a zero…cuz common sense says that’s waaay high. I see’ll if I can track back where I got that, cuz I didn’t just pull it out of my rear. Maybe a billion per team over the life of the deal.

I research it.

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 2, 2009 5:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Alright...

…not including the Direct TV deal , NFL Films, and international revenue, each team gets over $96 million a year in TV revenue under the current deal.

The Direct TV Deal brings in another $700 million per year (a little under $22 mil per).

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 2, 2009 5:55 PM MST up reply actions  

i didnt know which post to reply to so i picked this one

but this has been a fantastic discussion. Yeah it was a semi-heated argument and tempers almost flared for a post there, but I greatly enjoyed reading the back-and-forth. I know a lot of people here frown on anything negative that’s said, but I thought this was a great, so rather than rec’ing a bunch of posts I figured I would write this :).

by scooter17 on Dec 2, 2009 4:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Sometimes it is good to get everything out there and get a healthy debate going.

When it starts to become a series of back and forth personal attacks is when we pull out the flag button and do work.

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 2, 2009 4:39 PM MST up reply actions  

oh right I agree about personal attacks

And the line was touched for a post or two there but it settled down thankfully.

by scooter17 on Dec 2, 2009 4:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah. I was glad to see it get resolved without anger or conflict.

Just hug it out and move on.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 2, 2009 5:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I’ve been told patience is a virtue. Just not one of mine.

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by McGeorge on Dec 2, 2009 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure how much Cutler money counts against the cap...

…but the Broncos are free of his salary, and free of paying him the money that his ‘franchise’ status brings. Orton is great in Denver, but he would be hard pressed to get Cutler money on the free agent market. That’s a bargaining chip that falls advantage Denver. Smith is still cheaper.

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 2, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Cutler has nothing to do with the point I was making

Without the trade Denver would not have had the pick. It is thus an EXTRA pick which means an extra cost no matter how cheap it may come.

by warmick on Dec 2, 2009 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I guess what I'm saying...

…is that the Smith pick mitigated the total potential damage of the Cutler trade. Add in the savings on Cutler— future and actual (although I can’t say I know what Cutler’s salary would have been next year) and you have more flexibility than less. Now the Broncos are free to use bonus and salary money that would have went to a 20 – 32 first round draft pick on Kuper, Doom, Orton, Marshall, whoever. Orton— if they decide that route— will be cheaper than extending Cutler. As a total package, the decision to trade Cutler and pick Smith is a gift that will keep on giving.

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 2, 2009 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

No argument from me there

(stated in my typical friendly – smile on my face – fashion:)

by warmick on Dec 2, 2009 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

hehe

PO, given his play this year, we might have saved a ton of money keeping culer. I don’t know how long his contract was but given his INT’s this year. We might have had a bargain that (I beilieve) will be a great QB for someone at some point.

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by Sean in Pa. on Dec 2, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

There are many...

…who believe Cutler staying in Denver was as easy as a nice fat extension and a promise that he wouldn’t be traded. Based on his stats last year, the size of that extension would probably have had to outpace what Kyle Orton will probably get by a huge margin. So Cutler’s exit might not haved ‘saved’ any money per se, but it opens up money that can be spent on the remaining key veterans.

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 2, 2009 4:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Not entirely (or necessarily) extra

Since Smith’s roster spot would still be filled by someone with a compensation package > $0.

by MakeCents on Dec 2, 2009 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

That's pretty much true

although draft picks are typically signed and (at least partially) paid in the pre season.

by warmick on Dec 2, 2009 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

ITSDWBTU

TINWDWHTFTSPITOH1FRPNY

by warmick on Dec 2, 2009 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I think I can interpret this...... let's give it a try.

It’s SD. What ’bout you? Tin would whift spit OHHHHH one free pony!!!!

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 2, 2009 4:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Great as always! Rec

I live in the Philly area so I have Eagles coverage force-fed to me. The Eagles are very beatable and I like your analysis of why the Broncos team is well suited to exploit their weaknesses. I think the Broncos D-line can beat their O-line and McNabb is no where near the running threat that he was 5 yrs ago.

As an Irish Catholic with family ties to ND, I grew up a fan and still am (as well as an alum, albeit grad school). The crux of the matter at ND is this: Can an FBS team win consistently and compete for the national title while still graduating its players? ND has been trying to answer that question since Holtz left (was forced out) and so far the answer has been no. To my knowledge no other team that graduates its players (>80%) has consistently been ranked in the 10 or competed for the national title since the inception of the BCS. Look at the graduation rates at OU, UT, USC, UF, OSU if you want to know what must be sacrificed to win national titles.

Back to the Broncos – KC has been improving throughout the season, so I am worried about the game in KC. I watched a portion of the game against Pitt and the Chefs acquitted themselves well on the defensive side of the ball.

As simplistic as it might seem, I think that the Broncos season comes down to the (continued) health of two players – KO and Ryan McBean. The Broncos are not at the level yet where we can rely on our backup QB to perform adequately enough to keep us in ball games. I don’t like slinging blame around, but it is fairly easy to lay the WAS defeat at the feet (left arm) of Simms and a viable argument could be made that the SD defeat rests largely at his feet as well (although I think that is a losing argument). As far as McBean is concerned, I am a believer that he is the cog that makes our defense work. He occupies blockers and allows our rush D to play effectively forcing our opponents into the situation for which our D is well suited to stop (3rd and long).

by DE_BroncoFan on Dec 2, 2009 8:26 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

ND

Did you catch Swarbrick’s comments about that issue (academics and football)? He mentioned that it’s good for the university and college football in general to have a top-notch program, something I haven’t heard before. Seems the administration may be coming around to trying to accommodate their football team. Not only do they graduate their players, they don’t have any PE majors. During Holtz’ tenure, they did relax their admission standards for players a little. It looks to me like they may be willing to consider that again. Call me kooky, I still think they can make it work.

Hang on folks, road's a little bumpy in these spots.

by pubkeeper on Dec 2, 2009 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Good Article

But c’mon man, stick to the pros. I think the ND job is great, but maybe thats cuz Im and ND fan myself. The MSM has been saying recruiting is too hard at ND, I don’t think thats true at all. ND has been in the top 10 recrutiing for years, and thats with a pro coach as head coach.

I dont see the Gators beating Bama, their D is better than urs, and they have the best back in the NCAAF. If they win, and he puts up good numbers, Ingram wins the Heisman. Colt’s good, but the Big 12 is SO overrated.

But, to more important things, the Broncos. I agree, they should and I think they need to go at least 4-1 at this stretch. Also Ryan Harris is coming back this week, so I’m lookin for Knowshon to eclipse the 100 yd mark easy

by DBroncs1414 on Dec 2, 2009 8:40 AM MST reply actions  

I don't see why I need to stick to the pros

Football is football. I make it my business to know the pro game better than the college game, but that doesn’t stop me from knowing what I am looking at on TV in the college game.

Now, saying that Notre Dame is in the Top 10 in recruiting is meaningless. A lot of guys who were 3 star recruits got bumped to being rated as 5 star recruits just because Notre Dame was recruiting them. Ranking high school recruits is very unscientific, because there are a lot of huge variables, most notably the level of competition. Some kid tearing it up for Valparaiso High School would have a harder time doing it in a big-time high school football area like Tampa, Miami, Jacksonville, Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Baltimore/Washington DC, or even second-tier places like Cleveland and Pittsburgh.

Notre Dame can’t get the players they need, especially the speed athletes on defense, to win National Championships. They used to win with size, but the college game is a speed game at the national level. Ask Ohio State about that.

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by Ted Bartlett on Dec 2, 2009 9:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Not sure about that
A lot of guys who were 3 star recruits got bumped to being rated as 5 star recruits just because Notre Dame was recruiting them.

That may have been true in the past, but not for several years now. In fact, most of the 5 stars they’ve landed, which admittedly hasn’t been many, have been tabbed such because they stole them from schools like USC, etc. (See Manti Teo).

Hang on folks, road's a little bumpy in these spots.

by pubkeeper on Dec 2, 2009 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Te'o is really good

But they don’t land a lot of guys like him.

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by Ted Bartlett on Dec 2, 2009 9:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Another ND lover...

….is begging you to show them a little bit of compassion in their hard times. Their legacy is good for college football. More importantly, I’m willing to bet you have some warm feelings for ND, and those warm feelings are named Harris and Bruton. ;)

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by ncm42 on Dec 5, 2009 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Indy-Florida

Indy has clinched its division and possibly could clinch home field advantage this week so I predict they will play conservativly against Denver and it should be a Denver win.

If Meyer goes to Notre Dame do you think Shanahan will take the Florida job?

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by 3nS on Dec 2, 2009 8:58 AM MST reply actions  

Urban Meyer WILL NOT go to Notre Dame

There is a zero percent chance of it happening. He can win a bunch of National titles at Florida, and he’d never win one at Notre Dame.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Dec 2, 2009 9:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah he could

But why would he go? He doesn’t even have to work at recruiting and he’s building himself inot a legend right where he’s at. No way he leaves FL.

Hang on folks, road's a little bumpy in these spots.

by pubkeeper on Dec 2, 2009 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

You never know with Notre Dame. Some people (including coaches) go weak in the knees at the thought of coaching that team. I can’t explain it, but it happens.

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by McGeorge on Dec 2, 2009 9:51 AM MST up reply actions  

The Mackerel Snappers need to bring back Lou Holtz

They deserve each other.

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by KaptainKirk on Dec 2, 2009 9:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice Column, Ted

While I do not always agree with you, I like the way you write, Ted, and think you are very fair in your comments. I was ecstatic to see no Cutler-Orton comparison and a view towards the future.

Well done.

by Baltimore Bronco on Dec 2, 2009 9:02 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks BB

I don’t want anybody to always agree with me. I’m working for a smarter class of fan who will frankly be skeptical of everything I say, and think about it for themselves.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Dec 2, 2009 9:13 AM MST up reply actions  

Coaching

While I’ve grown weary of the Weiss firing in the media and all the speculation surrounding whether or not they rise to prominence again I thought I’d comment.

Fact is, I’ve been a Florida fan since the early Spurrier days. If Urban Meyer took the ND job (which I think – and hope – is highly unlikely) they would become much more competitive/prominent within 3 years time.

I don’t say it as a Florida fan I say it as a guy who has looked a bit at Meyer’s history. He’s been able to work wonders at every place he’s landed. I see no difference with ND – other than their unrealistic expectations in the first year.

On a more important note: Ayers HAS been unimpressive thus far to me. Harvin (in hindsight) would have been a great pickup – until he picks up a joint or gets into some other trouble. High upside – high risk kind of guy. I’m actually surprised he’s kept out of trouble this long. For his sake, I hope he continue’s to prove me wrong.

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by SSMT on Dec 2, 2009 9:05 AM MST reply actions  

Meyer could have had the ND job after the 2004 season

He declined, and took the Florida job. It is a much, much better job. They can get the players they need to win championships, and the expectations are much more reasonable than at Notre Dame, which is pretty amazing. Florida fans know that there are other powerhouse programs in the SEC, and the expectation is that they’ll compete for SEC championships every year, which will put them in the mix to compete for National Championships. That’s reasonable.

At Notre Dame, the expectation is to be winning National Championships, and that is not reasonable. It simply can’t be done when you require your football players to score 1100 on the SATs. It is difficult enough to do in a cold weather, boring town like South Bend, which has to poach players from Chicago, and northern Ohio, because there isn’t much local talent in northern Indiana. Nobody can win National Championships there, in today’s reality.

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by Ted Bartlett on Dec 2, 2009 9:19 AM MST up reply actions  

maybe with lower academic standards

it would be possible (see OSU) at ND, but I agree that no school has been able to compete for national titles with players who are going to graduate at a high rate.

The only way for ND to return to a nationally prominent state would be for the fan base a as a whole (me included) to lower our expectations. ND’s schedule which used to rank as one of the hardest was diluted significantly this year and the Irish still finished at .500. ND needs to follow the route of the SEC/Big Ten teams who schedule one or (two) FCS teams each year for easy wins. The fanbase also needs to lower their expectations of the intelligence of ND football players (let some dumb ones who have no chance at graduating in like they do in the SEC and Big Ten). The pool of highly talented intelligent players coming out of HS is small and with the allure of playing for ND having faded dramatically (if it exists at all any more) why would a big chunk of these students chose to go to ND over a warm weather climate school where they could get as good of an education?

by DE_BroncoFan on Dec 2, 2009 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Another ND question...

ANY chance that Shanahan is wooed enough to go there? Seems like the kind of challenge he would jump at. Or is he too married to the pro game?

- Nick

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by ncm42 on Dec 5, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks Ted! Great as always!

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by BroncosNL on Dec 2, 2009 9:20 AM MST reply actions  

I take exception to the Newark knock...

Someone from Cleveland should not be cracking on Newark. You are more likely to be a victim of a violent crime there than in Newark…maybe there can be a “The Dude abides…” post breaking down the crime stats.

I live in NYC, but go to Newark often (3 times/mo) to see the Devils play. The Flat Iron district is pretty nice and SAFE. Like any inner city there are neighborhoods which you would want to avoid, but you would never just end up there, the main routes through and around there are all safe.

Anyway, I grew up in NJ, and am a little sensitive to the bad rap we always get. It is a very crowded state (4 times and many people per sq mile than Ohio) and being stuck between Philly and NYC leaves little NJ branded sports identity outside of the Devils and there new home in Newark (Nets are a joke).

Anyway, Go Broncos!

by captain80 on Dec 2, 2009 9:30 AM MST reply actions  

Parts of Cleveland have some similarities to parts of Newark

And both cities routinely compete for the various measures of “biggest hell-holes in the USA.” I haven’t actually been TO Newark in a number of years, just through it, so it’s good to hear some parts of it are doing better.

As a side note, I actually live in the most densely populated city between New York and Chicago. Lakewood, Ohio is the first suburb west of Cleveland along Lake Erie, and we have 9,957 people per square mile, as of 2007.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Dec 2, 2009 9:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Pittsburgh...

It is bizarre to me that this team tends to play pretty even regardless of injuries. Every game is pretty tight and generally one turn-over generally determines the game.

Generally, based on personnel and the first few series you can determine whether or not the Broncos will put up a fight. Watching Dixon take his team to overtime in Baltimore was sort of disheartening since we really could not do anything against them.

I am not sure if this is good or bad…dropping a few by a late score or letting a few games turn into blow outs late (like what happens to the Broncos). I guess based on current record the later…

by captain80 on Dec 2, 2009 9:45 AM MST reply actions  

Eagles Game "X-Factor"

I think Brian Dawkins will play a huge role in that Philly game. The guy is an emotional player and the defense’s emotional leader. If he’s pumped up and ready for this game (and I imagine his passion bucket will be overflowing), then our defense could play very inspired, which bodes well for a Denver win.

by studbucket on Dec 2, 2009 9:45 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Another rec'd ST&NO...

Ted, I’ve been watching for a pattern of sorts regarding whether we are playing Barrett or Woodyard and haven’t grasped it. Can you clear that up? Thanks

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Dec 2, 2009 10:25 AM MST reply actions  

Woodyard plays in longer yardage 2nd and 3rd downs typically

Barrett hasn’t played a ton on defense this year, but he plays a lot against good TEs who require man-to-man coverage. He did his best work in the first San Diego game. He got a few snaps in the NYG game after Woodyard was hurt, and it looked like he would be the backup Nickel LB, behind Woodyard.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Dec 2, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions  

You stand by your 11-5 prediction.

Because you know what? If it doesn’t come to pass, there’s no crime in being wrong. And I bet you’ll be big enough to actually admit it if you are.

Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.

by TheMastermind on Dec 2, 2009 10:37 AM MST reply actions  

I always do

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Dec 2, 2009 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Why would Meyer ever go to ND?

I’m not too far away from Gainesville right now (St Augustine) and it’s 78 outside right now. I might have to turn on the A/C this afternoon.

While I think Morris could become a good coach, he isn’t one right now and the Buc & their fans are paying the price. He has taken a team that was on the verge of making the playoffs last year and turned them into a one-win team. Yes, they’ve played better recently, but not nearly good enough.

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Dec 2, 2009 11:04 AM MST reply actions  

Morris

To think some out there were hoping we would land him over McDaniels. Might have dodged a huge bullet there, judging by early results.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 5, 2009 2:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Ted, Love this column

i was hoping you can give a quick scouting report of Robert Ayers to date and what YOU think he will be going forward. Thanks so much.

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Dec 2, 2009 11:20 AM MST reply actions  

Nice read again Ted

A couple thoughts/questions: You said nothing about the upcoming KC game and I’m hoping the team is more focused on the task at hand than you are or the games against Philly and Indy won’t mean anything (just kidding – kind of). I agree with your thoughts on ND and the head coaching job there – it seems like a lot of ND fans and maybe even the administration there are still living in the Ara P era (how’s that for cheap wordsmithing?) when there were a limited number of consistently really good teams. The world’s changed – Rudy’s dead. Having said that, I hope they don’t make any concessions regarding academic standards. I think they have to do everything right to be competitive (recruit, coach, scheme), but can be competitive in the minefield of athlete for hire, which passes as major college football these days. And “the lesser Colt McCoy”? By what standard? Look, I’m not a McCoy fan and I personally hate the concept of the Heisman trophy (it’s the ultimate TEAM game), but as a dispassionate observer, I don’t think Tebow brings anything more to the table than McCoy. Great work and thanks again!
Go Broncs!

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Dec 2, 2009 11:31 AM MST reply actions  

I had some thoughts about Kansas City, but they were leading me to a bad place

I had this urge to take a shot at a stupid Denver Post article about playing at Arrowhead in December, and I am trying not to take any shots at the DP. The Broncos should beat KC in Arrowhead, regardless of the month. They’re vastly superior.

Tim Tebow is part of a senior class which is now 47-6 in 4 years, and is poised to win its 3rd National Title in that time. It is already the best class in SEC history, and by beating Alabama and Texas/TCU, you’d be hard-pressed to find a better one ever, anywhere. Yes, I know Tebow didn’t start as a freshman, but he was a key player on that team, and they never would have won the National Title without him. He’s probably going to break the NCAA record for rushing TDs by a QB (he’s 2 shy.) I can’t think of a greater player in college football history than Tim Tebow. McCoy has been pretty good the last 2 years, but he had a bad sophomore season. He’s also faced weaker competition in the Big XII.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Dec 2, 2009 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting take

I agree that McCoy has not faced SEC competition, but he has been the starter for all four years and has helped produce a 44-7 record over that time frame. And while I would never contend that McCoy qualified, I think you’re drinking the Gatorade with statements like “greatest player in college football history”. Just my opinion. Thanks!
Go Broncs!

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Dec 2, 2009 2:19 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

can I be honest?

I read your stuff every week…..really look forward to the insights. I’m starting to get overwhelmed with all the smack talk though. I wholeheartedly agree with most of it….esp, the Glazer stuff. Except, who is reading Glazer’s tweets?? It seems like your too concerned with criticism and lack of due recognition… maybe just leave the poor saps alone??

I do enjoy the personal side stories though and I think they’re helping me look past the nonsense about Glazer, you competing in the world of ideas, and people hatin’ on overachievers. Considering how much I appreciate your work, all this stuff seems like it should be below you.

As far as football, Morris is bad, but you make me realize that he could be good. I’ll give him that at least. He should have never been hired though. I think Dominik is the knucklehead there. Love your notes on Garrett and SF…..good insights….Thx!!

by BideshiBronco on Dec 2, 2009 11:38 AM MST reply actions  

I appreciate the thoughts

The Glazer thing was included for comedy purposes. I’m not critcizing his ability to schmooze players and get information. He does fine at that. I don’t know if I think he is a poor sap, but I get what you’re saying.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Dec 2, 2009 12:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I like the goofs you do on guys like Glazer

But that’s just one man’s opinion. Sometimes digesting facts and stats can get overwhelming, especially when you are trying to read at work – not that I read MHR at work…ahem…

I forgot to mention earlier Ted, I really look forward to your column every week and find it as informative and enlightening as anything available in the MSM – often even more so.

The internet, particularly sports sites – are already full of narcissistic guys who like to listen to themselves but MHR is always about expanding the knowledge base about our beloved team AND having a little fun.

I have to admit, if I DID read MHR at the office I would read a bit here before I even check my email! LOL

Keep up the good work.

Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.

by TheMastermind on Dec 2, 2009 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I love your posts

but this replay made me think:

I do enjoy the personal side stories though and I think they’re helping me look past the nonsense about Glazer, you competing in the world of ideas, and people hatin’ on overachievers. Considering how much I appreciate your work, all this stuff seems like it should be below you.

I don’t watch ET, etc… glam tv, sports shows that follow too much personal life stuff. that sort of thing.
I know we all want to be recognized, it sounds like you are in your professional life. You know you are well followed on MHR. Why bother at all with whether others are?? Let it be…

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 2, 2009 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks Ted! I always look forward to your ST&NO piece

I agree that if we play the way we did against the Giants and NE, then we can certainly go toe-to-toe with Indy (we just have to keep playing for 60 minutes, or Peyton will do what he does). And, of course, not sleep on KC or Oakland (or worrying about Indy and Philly becomes moot).

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Dec 2, 2009 11:40 AM MST reply actions  

No Broncos Broadcast in Utah This Week

so I’ll have to cheer my Broncos on from atdhe.net. Oh well, KUTV of Salt Lake City realizes that Titans-Colts will be a better game than Broncos-Chiefs. If we kill KC, then Channel 2 is right. Let’s make them prophets. GO BRONCOS!!!

Brad James

by the Bradfather on Dec 2, 2009 11:42 AM MST reply actions  

No! Say it ain't so!

I will be protesting KUTV by not watching their game this week. Hopefully Fox has a good set of games airing.

by Beer30Bronco on Dec 2, 2009 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

KSTU FOX 13

of Salt Lake City says Cowboys-Giants in the afternoon (Go G-Men, T. Romo’s dumb) and TBA in the morning. I hope for Eagles-Falcons or Saints-Redskins.

Brad James

by the Bradfather on Dec 2, 2009 4:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Loved the whole article...

… except the Notre Dame hate. Eh. You can’t have everything.

by Irrationalnumb3r on Dec 2, 2009 12:20 PM MST reply actions  

It's not hate

I went to the ND-USC game and cheered for the Irish. It’s just objective analysis that makes me think that winning a National Championship at Notre Dame is very close to impossible. I have no rooting interest one way or another in their success or failure.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Dec 2, 2009 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I hate em

HATE HATE HATE :)

I don’t really follow college football anyways, but I root for ND to lose just because they always get overrated in the polls. I remember when CU was ranked 4th in the polls at the end of the year (1994 IIRC), going to the Fiesta Bowl and had to play unranked Notre Dame. They brought out their green jerseys and CU killed them.

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Dec 2, 2009 2:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Observations after watching the game a second time (Ted, I highly recomend nfl gamerewind).

1) spencer larson is a much better lead blocker than hillis. i’d love hillis to earn his way back onto the field, but on thursday, moreno was running better behind #46.
2) the blocking from our guards in the screen game impressed me. they are both big guys, and on multiple occasions, i saw one or both making blocks up field on defensive backs. poor defensive backs.
3) at the end of the first quarter, there was a great play by DJ that was truly a singular effort. it looked to me (someone help me on this) like a blitz from the broncos with the giants keeping almost everyone in to protect. the ball was snapped, the blitz was picked up, and mario manningham snuck out the back door. with the rush crowded at the line and the db’s covering downfield, manningham was looking lonely in the flat. any mistake in the read of the play, any more time taken to react, any less speed in the chase- the giants would have had the first down. DJ Williams, though, read the play correctly, reacted immediately, and possessed the quickness moving laterally to close that distance in time to break up the pass and stall the drive. Great job DJ.

as long as you're paying attention

by neurospasm on Dec 2, 2009 4:14 PM MST reply actions  

That's What I Like To Hear

My fellow Mormon, Spencer Larsen, putting the fear of the Lord in weakling linebackers and defensive backs who can’t withstand his awesome strength and athleticism. Spence Larsen makes the Broncos a better football team!

Brad James

by the Bradfather on Dec 2, 2009 4:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Great read Ted,

glad you’re on the upswing health wise. Man I love the conversations you inspired on here, really, really, really insightful stuff to go with your ST&NO.

"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

by bchiper on Dec 2, 2009 4:28 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks Ted

I appreciate the thoughts on the Niners. I have been watching Crabtree, Davis, and Smith so I can agree with what you stated. Frank Gore has been excelling for the past year and a half. If they can get a better line, they will move up in the pack.
And Charlie Weis won’t be working for the Chiefs next week.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Dec 2, 2009 9:19 PM MST reply actions  

being a Stanford fan...

I have to say that Toby Gerhart should win the heisman. He has domiated in almost every game. I would be fine with McCoy or a defensive player but gerhart has been much much better than that bama back

HILLIS

by robbo650 on Dec 2, 2009 9:33 PM MST reply actions  

I thought that I would have to deal with my ST&NO withdrawals until next week.

This is a happy surprise. Thanks for your extra efforts. Nice post.

I liked your analysis of the Colts and Philly games. The Colts are in the playoffs and are playing for the home field advantage. However, the Titans have something to prove this coming week and so should our guys on the 13th. I think our guys will match up against them very well. If they bring their A game, they should win.

You must have had some really good karma working for you in NY. Glad you made it thru with little damage.

by Blackknigh on Dec 2, 2009 10:24 PM MST reply actions  

Y'all are whimpering like little kids denied the right to the candy counter.

Alphonso Smith has drawn more blood than he actually has in his body. McDaniela wanted to get value for his(Bowlens’) dollar. Is that such a big crime? Especially from a freshman Head Coach? I doubt it. Smith is a project in the making. With that said, any language of him being a bust and McDaniels a fooling for directing his interests towards him is foolish gibberish. He’s a project of grooming and not much coffers involved! Now get over it or wet your pants like you have been doing for the last 6 months. I think McDaniels is smarter than the lot of ya!

by bfree2bronc on Dec 2, 2009 10:45 PM MST reply actions  

Dag Nabbit!

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Dec 3, 2009 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

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