The Weekly "I'm Tired" Rant
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1. I am "Tired" of losing to the Raiders at home.
What is that now... like three years in a row? And because of the implications of yesterday's loss, it was especially tough to stomach. The Broncos still have their own fate in their hands, but their back is now up against the wall. It's do or die time from here on out.
Let this be known.... I hate the Raiders. I hate them more than SD, or KC, or any other team in the NFL. In fact, hate might be too small a word for it... Despise... Loath.... Abhor... might be better descriptors. However, as much as it pains me to say it, the Raiders have a pretty good team. Their Achilles heal this year has been at the QB position... and honestly... now that it looks like they have given up on the JaMarcus experiment, they are becoming a team to be reckoned with. My only hope is that Sundays game will deceive Al Davis into keeping the JaMarcus dream alive just a little bit longer.
But sooner or later, we here at MHR are going to have to face the facts. If the Raiders solve their QB issues, they are going to be a pain in our AFC West hide. They have a very solid RB core... possibly among the best in the league, and certainly the best in the division. They have some young, and more importantly, steadily improving WR's and TE's. Their offensive line is not their strength, but they have played pretty well in their 5 wins. And on Defense, they are well balanced across the board.... with a very good Secondary, and a pretty decent front 7. On Special Teams, they may have the best punter and kicker in the entire NFL. In my opinion, the only reason that the Raiders are 5-9 and not also in the Play-off mix is that they stuck with JarMarcus for the majority of the season. Had they been running with Gradkowski or Frye from day 1... I think they could easily be 7-7... or even 8-6.
Now I know that the Raiders are a favorite "punching bag" here at MHR... as well they should be. But our hatred for the Raiders, should not cloud our thinking in regards to their quality as an opponent. 3 of their 5 wins have been against playoff bound teams (if the season ended today), and 2 were against division leaders (CIN and PHI). They also beat Pittsburgh... and honestly... should have beat San Diego the first game of the season. As much as it may look like the Raiders suck this year... a closer look will reveal that they are, indeed, a very competitive team.
2. Which leads me to my second point of ranting.
To all those who are rapping on and on about how the Bronco's don't deserve to go to the play-offs because they lost to the Raiders... two words. SHUT UP!
Should we exclude Cincinnati from the play-offs because they also lost to the Raiders? Should we dump Philly as well? What about Green Bay because they lost to the lowly, and at that time win-less, Tampa Bay Bucs? How about the Vikingswho got kicked by a 6-8 team last night? If your team is lucky enough to make the play-offs, they absolutely deserve to go... and anyone who says differently... well... they probably worship Chris Collinsworth who boldly pronounced the AZ Cardinals as the "worst play-off team in history" right before they marched their way to within an inch of (I'm still not convinced that Holmes got both feet in) a World Championship.
There have only been two teams in history to finish a season having not been defeated. Every team loses games, and every team loses games that they should have won. And when you add in the fact that it was a divisional game... which are always difficult... then you can't just think that this weeks game should have been a gimme. Should the Broncos have won that game yesterday? HECK YEA they should have won that game! But shouldn't a competitive team win every game that they play? We should expect them to do so... but also understand that it might not happen. Time to stop the whinning and the snivelling and gear up for a big game at Philly.
3. I'm tired of those criticizing Knowshon Moreno for his lack of productivity in the running game.
Just watch the games. The guy runs as hard as anyone in the league. He obviously has the talent and he physical tools needed to be an effective and productive back in the NFL. He certainly has some growing to do as a RB, but to blame the running game woes on him is unfair to say the least.
You have to know that multiple factors effect the success of a running play, and the "ability of the RB" is just one of the many. You have anywhere from 5 to 8 different guys up front that all have to "do their jobs" for the run to be effective, and if just one of those guys gets beat, the play looks like a total bust.
Go back and watch the game film of the past two weeks. Knowshon is not the issue. Our O-line is allowing penetration by the opponents front 4 at an alarming rate. Penetration into the backfield by a defensive lineman destroys a teams ability to effectively run the ball. Why do you think Mr. Hainesworth drew so much interest and that huge contract this year?
I'm not sure why we have seemingly witnessed a major regression by our offensive line this year, but I am getting very tired of it! My guess is that it is mainly due to the personnel that we have and the adjustment to a new system and style of blocking. Whatever the reason, I would sure like to see some improvement up front in the next two games. Any chance of making the postseason will depend upon it.
4. I am totally tired of people clamoring to trade proven, young players to other teams for lots of 1st Round Draft picks... especially given the current contract climate for rookies in this league. Seriously... Are these people even thinking before they pick up the keyboard and type?
Think about this. Brandon Marshall is one of the top 2 receivers in this league... the only receiver that is better, in my humble opinion, is Larry Fitzgerald. Brandon is everything you could want in a number #1 receiver. He has size, speed, good hands, is learning to run better routes, and is a monster to bring down after the catch. He demands the attention of defenses, and ultimately makes all of the other players on offense look and play better.
Players such as Marshall don't just come around everyday. They are very, very rare. Why do you think that they then demand such a high price-tag when it comes contract time? Because the demand for their services is very, very high. You could draft 100 receivers every year for 5 years, and never find another player with as much talent and potential as Brandon Marshall... and that's a fact. He is a unique talent in this league... and one that you simply can not replace with draft picks.
5. Which leads me to another area of raving! The whole thought that Championship Teams are made in the draft is somewhat mis-leading... if not down right false. The draft is an important part of developing your team, but honestly, a wise GM and HC will do exactly what McDaniels and Xanders did this off-season. They signed proven, veteran players, who they knew would fit the needs of the team and were guaranteed to provide a positive return on their investment.
Until a rookie salary cap is implemented, I just don't see 1st round draft picks as being great investments. Do you know that Darius No-Hands-Bey is making about 4 times what Marshall is making... this year? Do you know that JaMarcus the Hut is being paid about 10 times what Orton is making? Anyone think that the Raiders have benefited from all of their First Round Draft Picks over the years? Maybe the best decision that they have made in a long time was to trade their first Round pick for Richard Seymour... a player that actually HAS proven that he can play! Yet the majority of pundits can only criticize them because they gave up what could possibly be a top 10 pick in the draft.
Let's just say that St. Louis was willing to trade us the No. 1 pick of the 2010 draft, plus their first rounder in 2011 in exchange for Marshall. Let's say we draft Suh. Do you know that the guy would probably require as big a price tag as Marshall? Only with Suh, you really have no idea if he'll make a great NFL player or not... and with Marshall, you already know that the guy is an elite receiver who is only 4 years into his career. However, it doesn't stop there. You also have to sign another possible top 10 pick that we received this yea from the Bears. Now you have two guys who will need to be signed and who will both demand large price tags, neither of which have any guarantee that they can make it as a player in the NFL.
Oh, but it doesn't stop there. Then in 2011, you will have the same problem over again, only you will still be carrying the baggage of your 2010 draft with you. You will have those 2 big contracts to pay for, plus 2 more first round salaries to try to pay. And do you remember this year... signing Knowshon and Robert Ayres, both to healthy multiple year contracts? Suddenly you are paying millions and millions of dollars to 6 players who may or may not make it in the NFL. Not a great way to build a championship team, in my opinion.
When you discover that you have a proven and elite talent on your team, such as Marshall, Doom, and possibly Sheffler, then you need to hang on to those guys... which means making the wise financial investment in a proven NFL player. If Marshall is willing to play for the Broncos this next year, you had better believe that Mr. Bowlen will get out the checkbook in record breaking fashion.
Well, that was freaking long. Now I know one thing that you are probably tired of. My Ranting!
GO BRONCOS!!!
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Nice rant
For the most part. I still say try something different when what you are doing is failing. Moreno ran for a negative 2 or 3 yards on his last ten carries….so how could anyone do worse?
I’m tired of being able to predict that if we fail to score a touchdown on that last goal to go situation that we’d lose by a point….and then of course it happens. We should have went for it on 4th and goal.
I’m also tired of late season swoons, for whatever reason.
I’m also tired of people saying…“look on the bright side! We did better than expected this year.” After a 6-0 start, that argument cuts no mustard. I said I’d consider it a successful year if we started slow but showed improvement and beat the teams we should. Getting worse as the year goes along isn’t really cutting it with me.
by NDbronco on Dec 21, 2009 2:45 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I completely agree on the "we did better than expected" chatter...
After starting 6-0, the team has certainly not been playing it’s best ball the last 8 games. Flashes of brilliance followed by times of lamenting and sorrow. I totally wish the team was playing better right now… and hoping that the better play in coming these next two weeks!
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Dec 21, 2009 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
Your arguement cuts no mustard
It is very valid to say that we won because teams could not game plan against us. Once they had film they could. That is a very acceptable reason for us to have early success followed by struggles. Everything is new, what do you realistically expect to happen to a team that has gone through the changes this team has in the first year?
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
Realistically
I expected them to get better as the year went along. Even the Browns and Raiders have made strides. Can we say that the Broncos are better than we were in week 2?
by NDbronco on Dec 21, 2009 3:20 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I think we can
Because we have continued to play. This team has learned how to play as a unit, Even lose as a unit, sadly. Yes, this is a more complete team than we had in 08 IMHO
:-)
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
BS...this team has regressed in EVERY phase of the game.....NO EXCUSES.......every team has improved apart from the cellar dwellers and our team...excuses, excuse man.......if we go 8-8 we won 2 our of last 10 games.....and thats frickin pathetic!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
to be realistic
they were making the little plays that matter those first 6 weeks. They were converting short third downs and making critical stops/plays in deciding the outcome of games. Teams have more film on us now, but that doesn’t mean that when we need to punch it in 3rd and goal from the 1 yard line that we can’t execute and make that play. Making just one red zone touchdown week would negate all this chatter of losing.
I'm glad we had this talk.
by BroncoInExile on Dec 21, 2009 4:57 PM MST up reply actions
thanks
I stole it from the Dude. I need to credit him. It’s gold. It was his answer to someone commenting that his post was dumb…
I'm glad we had this talk.
by BroncoInExile on Dec 21, 2009 9:13 PM MST up reply actions
You could realistically not expect them to lose to teams that were 4-9 and 2-6
Losing to Indy, the Ravens and the Steelers doesn’t bother me nearly as badly as Oakland and Washington. And no matter how talented the Raiders’s “core” is, they were starting their #3 quarterback, but still got up 13-6 in the first half.
Yeah, if the Broncos get in the playoffs they deserve it. “Deserve” is about having one of the 6 best records in the AFC, nothing else. But unless they find a way to consistently play like they did against the Giants, they won’t be in the playoffs long.
On KM and BMarsh
On your assessment of Knowshon, I agree some. However, I think that “running as hard as anyone” is not an answer. There are dozens of guys that run hard, but only some get top results. If you are 1st round pick, a lot is expected. And with all his elusiveness, KM has not been able to spring many long runs.
On BMarsh being top 2… DeSean Jackson was really eye opening this year. This guy has some speed and he breaks looong plays regularly. We just have one week to wait to see him unleashed on us. Not to take anything away from BMarsh, mind you, he has his own special talent and his 21 catches record is in the books.
Agree with you about Knowshon
He should change his name to no gain
by NDbronco on Dec 21, 2009 3:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Ummm....
Did you really just rank Desean jackson ahead of Bmarsh? I hope I misunderstood what you were getting at.
I’d love to have Desean Jackson on my team, but I agree that Bmarsh is a top 2 or 3 (I might put A. Johnson from Houston ahead of him, as well…not sure) receiver in this league and deserves to be paid.
I was thinking the same thing. Jackson is fast... that's about it.
I don’t see him being a big factor this week.
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Dec 21, 2009 5:04 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, and great post as always, Hillis
Look forward to it every week.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Dec 21, 2009 6:44 PM MST up reply actions
100% agreed
There might be an argument for some other receivers above Marshall, MIGHT, but Jackson is not one of them. Great talent with lots of potential, but he’s had one good-to-great year. Lots of receivers have one good-to-great year. I personally feel he’ll have more, but to say he’s ahead of Marshall in terms of overall talent (not to mention physicality) or that the Broncos would even remotely consider taking Jackson over Marshall is, well, silly.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Dec 21, 2009 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
No, I did not
But I think he has the same potential and he showed some great stuff this year. Just an example of why I think BMarsh’s proper place at the top is in a crowd a little larger then 2
As for Knowshon....
a couple of things. One, he’s a rookie, people. A first round choice, yes. But still a rookie nonetheless. And he’s the leading rookie rusher in the league, by far, and that’s while splitting serious time with Buckhalter. Two) Read the comments from the post above again (or watch the games again). Our offensive line has been mediocre to downright dreadful in run blocking for much of the year. Ryan Harris being out and Ben Hamilton apparently getting old has really hurt this line (that and the lack of depth acquired over the past few years); even the pass protection has regressed a bit. I’m not saying I don’t see times where Knowshon isn’t hitting the right hole or making the right read, but he’s still looked as good as advertised. It’s rare to come out in your first year and pull off an Adrian Peterson. But with each game, even each snap, he gains valuable experience and vision and timing and has shown, at times, that he has the potential to be a star running back for this team for years.
I’d suggest people go back and reread John Bena’s main page story from earlier today for some perspective on Moreno (and the 09’ Broncos in general). Here’s the link: Some Broncos Thoughts on this Black (and Silver) Monday
Here’s a bit of what he said about Moreno:
A Bit More On Knowshon – Knowshon Moreno has talent – no doubt about it. But right now, the kid is thinking way too much. We all know the Josh McDaniels playbook is large, and the running backs have a lot of responsibility in McDaniels’ offensive scheme. Moreno looks like a player that is thinking instead of reacting, suicide in the fast-paced NFL.
That is the reason Moreno looks great in the 1st Quarter – 7 carries, 39 yards yesterday, then seems to fade. He gets the reps all week, has the game plan down pat, but when adjustments are made in-game, seems to struggle – he stops trusting his eyes, his blocks, his assignments, and starts to think. Great running backs react – right now, Knowshon is not reacting.
Moreno is a young guy, and you hope it comes with time, but right now Knowshon is suffering a bit from a lack of confidence. While he certainly isn’t having a Clinton Portis-type rookie season, I still have high hopes.
Like much of what the Broncos have done the past few weeks, I’m not saying that Moreno should escape criticism. But I suppose my ultimate point is that, again like much of the team, he’s shown flashes of brilliance and shades of ineffectiveness, but also plenty of heart and reasons to be optimistic for the future. Like Knowshon, this entire team is essentially a “rookie” and is learning how to play, win and lose together on the fly and in front of the entire world (with all it’s praise and criticism). It’s not always pretty, but I’ll take this team and its future over last year’s version any day of the week. And that includes Knowshon Moreno.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Dec 21, 2009 6:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
He is a rookie all right
Does he have the same caliber of rookie season as Clady and Eddie did last year? Dunno. On the plus side, he leads rookie RBs in yardage. On the minus side, his YPC is pedestrian at 3.9 and he has as many TDs after 14 games (5 rushing + 1 receiving) as Hillis had in limited duty last year. Of course, we have a poor O-line this year (who could’ve though). Where does this leave us? Somewhere in the middle I guess.
Enough excuses for Moreno as well...leading all rookie backs means nothing when NONE of them are producing.....he is screwing the pooch as bad as all of them are. NO MORE EXCUSES! 1st round running backs should make BIG plays straight away!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Dec 21, 2009 8:47 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
One more thing
I can’t agree with hating the Raiders with a passion. My hatred for San Diego knows no bounds. I’d rather lose to the raiders by a blowout than lose to the chargers. I’d rather lose to the raiders than see the chargers go to the superbowl.
by NDbronco on Dec 21, 2009 3:25 PM MST via mobile reply actions
You keep getting your preference then
I’d rather lose to the raiders than see the chargers go to the superbowl.
The Chargers never go to the SB (ok, they’ve gone once but they lost – haha, 0-1 in the only stat line that matters!) while Oakland somehow keeps beating us every year.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
Good rant. Rec'd
And I absolutely agree with you about Brandon Marshall. I was quite critical about him earlier this year, but have grown to appreciate that he is by far our best offensive weapon. Some times he carries the whole rest of the team.
I think we should re-sign him as soon as possible.
"Remember, it's only a game."
Rec'd
Your words ring true sir! You are right, the Raiders could become a bigger pain in our backside soon…
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Dec 21, 2009 3:40 PM MST reply actions
1) The raiders suck because of their leadership not the players. They actually have a lot of talent on the team and as long as they continue to let Al Davis hang around they will have problems…Senile.
2) Nope, can’t do it…Deserving’s got nothing to do with it…Frustration is the main ingredient in that recipe of madness.
3) “Knowshon is not the issue”. Knowshon is part of the issue indeed, but, not all of it. The OLine has a responsiblity of it’s own and they haven’t lived up to it. Knowshon simply needs to react instead of thinking. Maybe he is smart enought o learn that part, maybe not. We’ll see in the future. I don’t even know why they had an upback in there on his runs, he never followed him. And in the Raider game McD became very predictable in his playcalling, ie running on almost every first down. Change it up for crying out loud…That’s what I was screaming at the TV as my wife covered her ears. Oh well, I get excited some times.
4) It would be ludicrous to think that trading BMarsh would somehow make it all better. Trading people is not to answer as long as they are happy playing for the team. Drafting and F/A is where talent comes from. Take a look at Cincy, they traded Housofyoumamma to Seattle. I bet they wish they had him back now. Teams are double and triple teaming Chad Johnson and making him less effective. We get rid of Marshall and it will not solve our problems.
5) Balance of both draft and F/A and veterans. Thanks for ranting…I did mine yesterday.
Housofyoumamma...LOL...You are killin' me bfree!
-Richee
-Measure your performance against your best competitors and consider how you can use it to beat them the next time!
-Your concious mind can only hold one thought at a time, positive or negative. Which is it going to be???
by BroncoSense72 on Dec 21, 2009 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
I always thought it was TJ Hoodrivesamazda? Yours makes much more sense, though.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 23, 2009 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
Always look forward to your rant HRU...Spot on as usual (IMO)
-Richee
-Measure your performance against your best competitors and consider how you can use it to beat them the next time!
-Your concious mind can only hold one thought at a time, positive or negative. Which is it going to be???
I'm Tired
OF LOSING IN DECEMBER!
Peace.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
some interesting points, HillisRanUover
I could comment on the fair weather fans but there’s no real point.
There are some other points that I’d like to discuss, and I’ve written on these subjects recently.
Regarding #3 on Moreno’s productivity. There’s been a lot of articles on the general subject of our running game, specifically on our red zone failures. Some part of this is due to more injuries on the OL this year but it’s presumably also the result of changes in the blocking scheme. Some people have failed to distinguish the issue of red zone failures from the general issue of productivity in the running game. We’ve clearly suffered some problems with blocking in RZ situations, which have often been failures in the interior OL. And that’s why I, and others, have emphasized bringing help for our OL.
Some of the league’s offensive coaches believe that we’re caught ‘in-between’ as far as our OL goes. We’re trying to do some things that require a bigger OL with personnel that suits ZB. And I’d come to the same situation long ago. Situations in which the RB is caught in the backfield are rarely the RB’s fault. Moreover, cries for the insertion of Hillis fail to understand the point. A slower back has even greater problems getting up to speed when defenders are in the backfield at the handoff.
Regarding #4. I’ve recently suggested making a trade but there’s a big difference between my suggestion and some of the others. My suggestion was that we attempt to trade Scheffler because he’s underutilized in our offense and holds more value to other teams. Part of the thinking is that we have a number of FAs who are going to cost a lot to keep. That may necessitate moving one of those salaries, but the question was whose? There was also some concern on my part with taking advantage of a draft that is unusually strong in 3-4 scheme-appropriate talent. If this trade were to be executed, we could provide ourselves with depth and future starters on the DL (beside adding to the OL). It’s specifically a move for the future and not a naive suggestion that we could do better with rookies than vets.
Regarding #5. I disagree somewhat here. The main problem in the draft is with the top ten salaries. A player such as Clady is actually a bargain when compared to vets on their second contract. What many people do — however — is place unreasonable expectations on rookies, which is why we hear the complaints about our rookies underperforming. Every team’s fans have that complaint. There are some success stories but they’re usually in situations that provide an environment that’s conducive to success.
BTW — what we haven’t been talking about are the surprises on this team. Very few people have noted the success of players such as McBean or Haggan. Some of the success stories are being ignored, even while people complain about the failure of a player whose playing time has been limited because he’s 2nd string to another player. I can understand disappointment with some of the performances but our defense has performed well, and some of the players deserve credit for helping make this happen.
no goats, no glory.
by Colinski on Dec 22, 2009 1:38 AM MST reply actions 6 recs
Great Points Colinski!
Totally agree on the trade stuff. Obviously if a player doesn’t fit, or is being under-utilized, then getting a premium for thier skills in a trade would benefit the team. Sheff might be in that arena… but I’m also not completely convinced that he isn’t a guy that “fits” either.
Guys who I think should be considered in Trade discussions are guys like Champ, who are clearly on the backside of thier career, and would require a large contract to keep them around. Although I wouldn’t want to see Champ go, I do want the team to maximize it’s assets and consider value moves when available.
On the Draft stuff, I hope people don’t think that I am saying that the Draft isn’t important. Infact, the second – seventh rounds of the draft are where many teams are developed long term. Think about Doom and Marshall… both guys who have added tremendous value to the team, but who were drafted and signed to smaller contracts. I am just not sold on top 20 picks… and I think the majority of Owners, GM’s and Coachs are with me. Teams that have to draft 1, 2, or 3 seem like they are cursed more than blessed…. unless they have a glaring weakness that can be matched to the top talent in that draft.
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Dec 22, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
money & the draft
The Massey, Thaler study [PDF]
I hope I have the right address, but I’ll re-post after posting if I don’t.
There’s evidence that teams overvalue the right to pick but the conclusion I’d draw from my casual reading of the study is that higher picks still have a higher chance of becoming better players. Moreover, top picks — although too expensive — also have a greater impact on team success but the top ten picks are harder to fit under a salary cap. You may need a few superstars but the best strategy is to mix some highly paid draftees with an assortment of lesser paid, cost-effective ones. Higher picks may be overly expensive but a team filled with cost-effective picks isn’t necessarily a good team.
In other words, cost-effectiveness is a measure of spending efficiency but it’s not a guarantee of being a good. Teams may be profligate in their practices but they’re trying to be the best; not the cheapest.
The proportion of lower picks that succeed is less, so the real problem is keeping the appropriate number of them on a roster. More of the low picks eventually wash out but they can play important roles as depth and special teams players for the meanwhile. Teams are constantly cycling through lower picks in an attempt to find a few who can play more important roles as starters. Nonetheless, most of the important positions on a team are played by players who were drafted at a higher point in the draft, so don’t exaggerate the importance of lower picks.
I came to the conclusion after my first reading that the 2nd round was a good place to pick, and that’s exactly the strategy that New England has chosen lately.
no goats, no glory.
rec'd comment
Your “BTW” is a great point. How about a lot less of where’s Hillis and more how bout Mario Haggan. Haggan has held his spot down, played his position, been voted a captain and quietly done his job. I did enjoy seeing the arkansas wrecking ball run against KC, but he’s not the best RB to put on the field… let’s all move along and give some overdue support to Mr. Haggan.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Dec 22, 2009 11:41 PM MST up reply actions
Given your nick
Aren’t you tired of McD’s refusal to use Hillis yet? I’m mystified, at the very least. Seriously. Not only may he be an option on short-yardage runs, but he might get into the endzone as a receiver out of the backfield in the red zone too. Frankly, I just don’t get it at all. Does McD have a younger sister that Hillis dumped or something?
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 22, 2009 11:04 AM MST reply actions
McDaniels says his best players are on the field
I know he doesn’t want to come out and say it, but Hillis isn’t the best back to have on the field. It is more than the RB to make that run. Even if it were the sole execute of the RB, the best RB is on the field whether it’s Buck or Knowshon.
I think Jordan got reps because he’s so familiar with the playbook and can be trusted. Why “trusted”? That’s my opinionated stretch because I don’t see the practice or know the reps/work they put in during the week, but the coach does. If he sees it all and brings Lamont to pound the rock over Hillis, I trust him that he’s making the best choices given the circumstances. With all the hoopla of the media asking him about “where’s Hillis”, if Hillis were capable, I’m sure the coach would’ve put him in the situation already.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Dec 22, 2009 11:37 PM MST up reply actions
I have to disagree with the Moreno statement
Running hard and being a great running back are not the same thing. Rueben Droughns ran as hard as anybody I had seen since Terrell Davis, but he was not a great RB. Moreno cannot turn a 4 yard gain into a eight yard gain or a 8 yard gain into a 20 yard gain, he basically only can run for as much as the O-line can block for him. The zone blocking scheme has a philosphy that the RB has to make one guy miss, Moreno seems to lack that ability.
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by Broncoman on Dec 22, 2009 1:41 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
But are they even using the zone blocking scheme anymore?
And if not, I truly believe it is THE number one failure of the coaching staff this season. I think they have an offensive line better suited to the zone blocking scheme. And a large part of the failure of the running game is due to the departure from that scheme. Almost the same o-line managed to open holes for about 8 different tailbacks last year, including Peyton Hillis, using the zone blocking scheme.
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by Bob in Boulder on Dec 22, 2009 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
They have been using the scheme more lately
I don’t disagree with the use of the o-line, but you watch Buckhalter and he just has a feel and quickness to the hole, Moreno just goes to where the hole is supposed to be but seems to lack the vision to make the right choice. In a lot of ways he reminds me of Orlandis Gary. Gary was a hard runner, but lacked the great vision.
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It's weird though....
You see that film of his at college and he was elusive. Maybe that’s what you get if you just watch highlights but that guy pivoted on a dime.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Dec 23, 2009 4:27 AM MST up reply actions
I don't think your expectations match the player.
Some predraft scouting reports:
The reality is that KM has never been labeled a home run threat. He specializes in running between the tackles, and pointed out himself a few weeks ago that that his bread an butter in college was the 8-12 yard close quarters run. While he might not be the style of back you like, he has shown plenty of flashes of being exactly the player described and who the Broncos drafted.
You might notice in all the reports that one very common theme is his excellent vision. The CBS report is actually one of the two scouting services used by NFL teams, so you can’t really say that these are the views of draftnik laymen rather than people who evaluate players professionally.
KM has had his struggles, no doubt. He gets too excited, and at times he seems to panic and try too many moves (interestingly, this tendency is covered by CBS). However, I don’t think there is any question that he has been very good when the oline is giving him a chance. Yet if you’re waiting for him to morph into Chris Johnson and start tearing off 70 yarders on a regular basis, its probable that he will forever be a bust in your mind. To call him a ‘disappointment’, though, is unfair, as he has never been advertised as the player you seem to want him to be.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 23, 2009 7:19 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the label of "disappointment"
comes from his draft position, fair or not. A back without big play ability can be found much later than 12.
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Obviously the Broncos disagree on whether...
…explosiveness defines the real value of a running back. It makes sense when you consider that this offense isn’t predicated on establishing a running game and building off of it. Instead, the run is most ideally used as a change-up, and having a guy that can consistently keep you in managable downs and distances is more valuable than having a guy that that might sandwich some thirty yarders in between a lot of 1-2 yarders with negative plays sprinkled in. Nor is just the threat of the home run that keeps S’s honest, but rather the idea of constantly facing 2nd/3rd and 5 or less.
Keep in mind that Moreno would just be finishing his junior year at Georgia had he not entered the draft. For his relative lack of experience, he has flashed some pretty remarkable ability and instincts this year. He’s young, he’s working under the best RB coach in the business, and there is no reason to think that some of his difficulties won’t improve with coaching and experience. I’m very confident that it won’t be long before most Broncos fans think he was a bargain at #12.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 23, 2009 1:00 PM MST up reply actions
Sorry, I'm mixing discussions, I think.
I’m not saying explosiveness defines the value of a running back. I’m just saying that a lot of people might label him as disappointing because they simply expect more out of a back picked at 12, especially when it’s almost an accepted fact that good backs can be found in the later rounds on a routine basis. I also can’t get on board with the line of thinking that he would only be a junior at GA had he not come out. The fact of the matter is, he DID come out. He chose to, so where he would be if he did not is irrelevant. He also chose to hold out, which may be why he seems to be worn down and fighting nagging injuries so much. I hold out hope that you are ultimately right, and he is someone we see as a bargain at # 12. I’m not saying I don’t think he’ll eventually be better than average. For right now, though, I would hope for more out of the #12 pick.
I know I come across as argumentative when it comes to KM, and that is not my intention. I fear that the bad taste I developed when his fumbling issues hit their peak have clouded my memory. I honestly think the stuff you (PO) write usually gives me an insight into things I missed or didn’t think about, or a perspective that makes me think. So I sincerely would like to know, can you tell me about some specific plays (or games) where KM flashed “remarkable” ability and instincts this year? I cannot really think of anything he has done that’s stuck out to me this year.
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"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
The Giants game comes to mind right off the top of my head...
From Washington through KC he went 68 – 351 – 5.1 and 3 TD’s. In the KC game which was his worst average of that stretch (and dragged him down from a stellar 5.6 ypc 3 game stretch), he had two runs of more than 20 yards called back. He’s averaged 4.2 or better in 8 of the 12 games he’s had more than 8 attempts. 4.0 is usually the baseline between mediocre and good and 5.0 is usually the baseline between good and stellar.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 23, 2009 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks
Hope I didn’t come across as an ass (or a bigger one than usual, anyway). I sincerely appreciate the food for thought. I am something of a hypocrite, because I pay attention to stats, but I am also a big believer that stats can be somewhat misleading. I tend to (over) rely on the eyeball test, with Elway as my biggest and easiest example. No matter what numbers Favre or Marino put up, as someone who watched them and Elway play, no one will ever convince me there has been a better QB than #7.
I guess this kind of illustrates what I have such a hard time putting into words about Moreno. When the line opens up holes, he gets decent yardage. As one would expect any average NFL back to do. When the line doesn’t open it up, he doesn’t do much. Not his fault, as every back relies on the o-line. I guess I just expect a franchise back to put a team on his shoulders from time to time, or to have a “holy crap” moment occasionally. I just have not seen any from KM. He does run hard, and I can’t fault his effort at all. I also like his mental makeup, as typified by his unwillingness to take any BS from B-Marsh. I just hope we get more out of him in the future.
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
Honestly....
…its I that got distracted. I wasn’t trying to say that people should or shouldn’t be happy with him. I was just trying to point out that he can never live up to expectations that aren’t accurate. He’s never going to be a Chris Johnson type…never was.
I think he looks promising, but thats not saying he’ll ever live up to his draft status. But he does show flashes of ability that I see as being promising and valuable to this team both now and in the long term.
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Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
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by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 23, 2009 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
And I guess the KC game kind of typifies my feelings.
He had a chance to break a couple of runs that day. One in particular, he makes it to the second level, has some daylight….and stumbles. I know that’s going to happen sometimes, but I want to see the #12 pick not stumble in that situation once in awhile.
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
No doubt about that...
…very frustrating. But hopefully he’ll settle down a little.
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Me, I figure as each breath goes by
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by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 23, 2009 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
Look, I was one of KM's biggest supporters when he was drafted and I am MIGHTILY disappointed with him so far. He struggles with recognition of holes and has been AVERAGE in the pass protection, which was suppose to be a strength. Bad ball security.
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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Well...
here’s hoping things don’t work out for the apocalyptic doom-saying set of the Broncos faithful.
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Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
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by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 24, 2009 6:56 AM MST up reply actions
+100 B Man!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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I agree with those who say we have regressed the last 10 games. We’ve done more than regress—we totally stink. I’m sick of reading people on this site who desperately want to believe we aren’t as bad as we are. Well, get used to it, because next year won’t be any better. We stink, and our head coach stinks. Too bad he won’t get canned.
McD is to blame for the dropped passes?
Dude, step down off of that ledge, my friend. McD isn’t the problem here. Execution is the problem. That may have held water last week, but this week it is all about execution. The broncos aren’t doing it, but it isn’t McD’s fault.
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by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2009 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
Sorry, not buying it. You could say that about any team, including the Rams and Lions. The head coach has wasted Eddie Royal all season, and Hillis can’t even get a sniff of the field—even on short yardage. The O line absolutely sucks. The defense is exhausted. Why have they regressed so much the last 10 games? If they can’t execute, maybe it’s because his system stinks. He’s the one who’s supposed to have his team prepared. They will be lucky to win next week, and I don’t know, but 3-7 over the last 10 doesn’t exactly make me optimistic. Wouldn’t surprise me at all either if they lay down for the Chiefs too…

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