Broncos Thoughts and Musings - Fish in a Barrel
I was musing over the vagaries of the Broncos' fall from grace on Sunday. Losing a second year in a row to the Raiders late in the season, at home, is about as unconscionable as anything I can imagine. It hurts on a deep level, and for a lot of reasons. Let's face it - when you can't stop JMR on one drive for the win, you shouldn't have won. Denver's loss was by far the most disappointing of the season.
Like the lists of player problems and mistakes that I've been making as I work through the film room material each week, the list of miscreants from this game was long. I don't tend to easily abandon hope and I generally can see the brighter side of things. There weren't a lot of things to celebrate this time. Most of the problems are just the same mistakes from the same offenders that I've seen each week. We have often won in spite of foolish errors. This time, we threw away a game that we could have and should have won.
And, it was the raiders. What part of 'getting up for a hated division rival' didn't the Broncos get? Finding the Broncos' mistakes during this game really is pretty much shooting fish in a barrel - you can hardly miss. So saying, I'm taking down the Remington pump-action 12-gauge and aiming at a few.
Every Broncos fan is concerned about this. There is a factor here that Josh McDaniels talked about last week, though, and while I don't agree with him, it makes the situation pretty clear.
Our offensive line isn't getting any movement in the center on short yardage. That's unforgivable - if you have a 3rd-and-1 you should be making that play 9 out of 10 times, but that's not happening and it seems that over the course of this year, it probably won't.
It doesn't matter if we run Peyton Hillis, LaMont Jordan or Knowshon Moreno at the middle of the line. None of them has the power of levitation. They are being hit in the backfield or swarmed just as they come up to the line and in today's NFL, that spells disaster. People have talked, rightfully, about which players they would prefer toting the ball in those situations, but McDaniels was very clear about this. He said, in essence, that it's up to the offensive line to move the pile and that his approach isn't going to change on this today, tomorrow or next season. I can make a pretty good argument that this isn't in the best interest of the team, and I imagine that you can do the same, but as the Coach said, that's not the issue. The issue is that McD expects the line to get a push and create the opportunity of getting yardage even though they just flat out aren't doing it.
If you're going to tell me that recognizing this should lead to a change in approach, I'm with you. The problem is, he's not going to make that change. While I emphatically disagree with his perspective regarding making a change, I also understand why: the offensive line is the basis of the entire game. It is followed closely by the defensive line and the cornerbacks, in my own views (more about this later), but the O-line is the rock upon which a team is built. Ours is, to steal a metaphor, built on shifting sands. That's where most of the issues with the running game are coming from. It's not doing our passing game a lot of good, either.
I can say with certainty that Tyler Polumbus has struggled during each of our losses. I can say with equal certainty that the Broncos will be looking for other options at backup tackle following this season. The same likely goes for Russ Hochstein, who didn't have a very good game either after convincing me that he was stepping up, and for Casey Wiegmann, who may retire in a few weeks. That's 3/5 of the most important group to a building team that isn't playing well and that is A Very Bad Thing.
If you were irritated by the running game, I'm with you. If you think the issue is Moreno, we disagree. Oh, it's not that I hold him blameless; not by any stretch. He's learning a variation on the running back position that requires a very specific skill set and which he has not yet mastered. While we can argue about whether or not he should have learned it by now, the simple fact is that he hasn't. He had a poor day compared to recent games and I had hoped for better from him, but even so - he's not getting a lot of favors from the guys who are responsible for blocking, and that's never going to be good. I recall watching one of the best of all time, Walter 'Sweetness' Payton, running behind moderately bad O-lines for years. Walter was one of the best to ever play the game and he still suffered a lot of bad and/or negative plays because of the line. Moreno isn't, at this point, another Payton, and he's not able to make up for their problems - nor should we expect him to. We should expect him to show improvement over the season, and he has. He's also not there yet, and we should expect him to keep working hard until he is - and for a long time to come.
The defensive line - the defensive front 7, really - has been hit with a problem all their own, and it's not a new one, either. They once again started freelancing and ignoring gap discipline and control. The results were the same that they have been each time this happens - we were gashed for long running plays and missed opportunities for sacks and hurries. Mike Nolan commented on that after the game:
"There was a common thing from the standpoint of where it happened," Nolan said. "It happened on cutbacks - all but two of them. And it really just has to do with the responsibility to stay home ... We have to do a better job of maintaining our responsibility on the cutback. It was really just a case of us over-pursuing on the backside."
It was, of course. Does it concern me that we're making such fundamental errors this late in the season? Certainly. Did it surprise me when I looked over the game film? Not at all - after looking at just the stat lines, you could make a sizable bet about the cause. It is the same cause that has been behind the other breakdowns in the defense.
So, let's talk a little about the team. Should they be better? Should fans be happy that they've done as well as they have? Should fans feel concern? The answer to each of those questions is 'Yes'.
I tend to agree with Steve Nichols - the refs have a job that no one tends to like, and in general, I expect a blown call here and there. That doesn't excuse the game-long litany of missed, blown and made-up calls that went on on Sunday. Home team advantage? Who did Josh McDaniels irritate on the refs crew? Sheesh...
I was talking with some football friends about this and an issue came up that helped put things into a better perspective: Despite the difficulty of dealing with the loss to the raiders, we're pretty much where the more positive folks said that we'd be way back in training camp. Folks like many of the site members, darned few of the media, and Josh McDaniels himself.
It was during training camp that some pundit (thinking himself funny, I suspect) asked Josh about the team's Super Bowl chances. McDaniels didn't bat an eye. "We're not a Super Bowl team," he said calmly. At that time, listening to the tone, I didn't hear this as typical coach-speak. He thought for a brief moment and dismissed the notion as pointless. He should have. He inherited a bad team, did a very good job for a single offseason and has done what he can do with the players he has, but he knows the problems of the team far better than we do. He's more familiar with the players as he watches them practice, something that we don't get to experience.
It was close to that same time that someone talked to him about how the media was claiming that the Broncos were going to be losers over the course of the year. McDaniels stirred up the media by saying that he'd never been on a loser and didn't expect to start now. You know what? Even if we drop the last two, we can't have a losing season. A single victory gives us a 9-7 record. Do you recall what was said about that possible record when we dealt our own pick to Seattle and kept the Bears' pick? Things have changed, in that respect.
From where I sit, it looks like McDaniels came from a winning club, with both the right players and the right attitudes, and migrated from there to Denver. He inherited a club that wasn't ready to take on the playoffs - or the Ultahamma Grannies, for that matter. We will get there, but we aren't currently Super Bowl material. He could see that, and he was right. I'm sure that the difference was fairly stark. This is not a SB team, and it's a much better team than it was last year. However - until the offensive line is righted and the players who lose their wits easily are weeded out over time (just as a start), we are what we are - about the middle of the pack.
The simple fact is, I loved Mike Shanahan's work - he was one of the best offensive coordinators of all time. But despite a brilliant start, he wasn't as good as a head coach over time, and he wasn't a great GM. He made player-personnel deals that still amaze and astound and not in good ways. He left the defense feeling like second-class citizens and by the time Pat Bowlen said 'Enough," Shanahan had built a club with a losing attitude. Josh McDaniels did what you can do in one offseason and I love the direction that the team is taking, but they didn't build Google in a day and this is going to take time - just as most folks said at the beginning of the year.
Lots of members made good points, back then. "He's young and inexperienced," some pointed out. "He will make some bad decisions based on his lack of experience." He has. Lots of good ones, too - more good than bad, to my way of thinking, but definitely lots of both. It's his first year as a head coach and he's still learning. Nothing new there. Is there an argument that he'll get less good with experience? I'd love to hear that one - actually, no, I wouldn't. Scratch that.
"They don't have the personnel," others noted. Those folks were right too, in degree. We recently just don't keep up with good teams and we can't stop a mediocre one on the wrong week. There are a lot of good reasons for that, too. We have a team that can only count on winning if they play a nearly faultless game because even with a lot of very smart personnel moves, we are in the first season of changing the team. And, we don't have enough players who are that good. We still have some locker room problems - and that's not going to change this year; but change it will, given what evidence we've seen since February.
For those who ask why we'd bother changing if this year will be around 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, there are some danged good reasons. If you look at last year, we were not just stagnating - we were falling down the rabbit hole. You can say that we still have a long way to go to get back to fully competitive and you'd be right, but it's just not rational to claim that we're no better off than we were in December of 2008. Here are a few reasons why:
1. The Broncos are actually building a team. We want to win games while we build one, and so far we've won more than we've lost. The long season is showing the cracks, imperfections and outright weaknesses that couldn't get dealt with in a single year. The more film other teams have on us, the more they take advantage of them. What, we were going to do this in one year? Most members expected the final 2009 record to be about the same, a little worse, or perhaps even a bit better than 2008. That's exactly where we are, too. There's a long list of things that are better, though. Start with pass coverage and move on from there.
2. The word 'defense' no longer refers solely to the person that represents one of our players in a trial. I don't miss the negative role models that Denver had become burdened with. I don't miss the ones like Maurice Clarett and I don't miss the Travis Henry's. I don't miss a revolving door at defensive coordinator - nor do I miss the lack of quality players that it has consistently represented. I don't believe that the defense is a second-class organization any longer, either. They aren't ready, in one jump, to handle playoff teams and playoff football, but that's a long way from where we were a year ago when we got some lucky breaks and still didn't make the playoffs. We actually have players to build on, a scheme that works when players play well and coaches who will have had a year with their better players - and some new better ones to replace the folks who couldn't keep their cool in the locker room this year.
3. McDaniels will improve. I didn't go into this season expecting him to be without his own difficulties. Did you? He's blown some calls and he's the first to make note of that. Folks are going to question his decisions on play calling - that goes with the job. Even so - do you deeply miss the play calling of Jeremy Bates? I don't. I think that McDaniels has more than earned a chance to show Denver and Broncos Country just how far he can go with a team that he builds, not inherits. Unless, of course, you miss Nate Webster, Jamie Winborn and Dewayne Robertson.
4. We have a lot of young players who make typical younger-player mistakes. Not all are rookies, either. Wesley Woodyard, for example, has had a roller-coaster season. He looks great one week and gets burned the next; sometimes that happens from quarter to quarter. I don't know if he's going to work out, but he's a very good prospect and a very good special-teams player, so you work with him. The best teams have extensive player development, and for us, that will take time. We need time to develop him, and that goes for Josh Barrett, Alphonso Smith, Darcel McBath, David Bruton , Richard Quinn, Spencer Larsen and a whole bunch of other players. Tony Carter showed last week that he's worth a long look. It's not all defense - Kenny McKinley contributed last game, Peyton Hillis may or may not have potential, Ryan Clady is still learning the game, Ryan Harris (who is one of our best) is hurt again, and Tyler Polumbus has been hit and miss (mostly miss). We've got a lot of players who need to develop and some that won't make it through the next training camp. That's okay, too - that's how you build. You develop the best that you can get each season and you let Brian Xanders do his thing on contracts. I hear a lot of things about what the Broncos will and won't do about money, but no one is ready to set out hard numbers yet. We're talking about things that are interesting, but right now, we don't have the knowledge to say we'll do this or we'll do that. One thing I can say? We will be developing players, replacing some with better players and continuing to coach up and develop the ones who do the best. It isn't a quick thing to do well, either.
5. We have needed a plan for years. Now we have one. Will that plan change and adapt? Of course. But even as much as I loved Mike Shanahan, every year was the same plan - claim that you're a player or two away, replace the defensive coordinator, move a bunch of defensive players around, pick up a lot of new (or old) street veterans and repeat the following offseason. Even the offense was troubled - the issue of not picking up short yardage wasn't a sudden thing, this year. It was the same last year. Management too often neglected the team for too long to demand perfection in a single year.
I get the fact that many people don't like McD's play calling. I don't see that as the same kind of problem that some do - I see a lot of problems, far worse problems, with execution. Do you feel that they should be further along? Probably so - and I do, too. But given what he had to start with, I really can't complain all that much. Should we progress next year too? Yes. If we don't, I'll be as irritated as anyone, but I can't sit here and claim that I thought that we'd be all ready by now, problems fixed and ready to hit the playoffs. I didn't. the challenges that each of us saw were real then, and they still are. That doesn't make them overwhelming - we're doing pretty well, just not as well as we'd like to. If the Broncos have the interior of the line improved over the offseason, a lot of things will come together. We could use a few upgrades at certain other positions, too. Like I said - this won't be quick, but at least it's finally started.
6. We're using our players far better. In one sense, this is an expansion of #1, but it's more than that. Do you recall the fuss made about Mario Haggan? His original acquisition was the Goodman's work (and he was well chosen), but his excellence of application is due to his own efforts, Josh McDaniels' and Mike Nolan's. Andre' Goodman has weaknesses, but his coverage is usually excellent. Renaldo Hill? He was a great steal and has been a team leader on the field. How about Bruton and McBath - did we choose well? When you look at who has been brought in and how they have done, we are far above average - finally! There are more changes to make. It will take time to fully use this principle of identifying and obtaining the best of who is available (and the 'best' is NOT necessarily the most expensive), but look at the start that we made this year.
7. We are getting takeaways. Yes, I'd love to see more, but they come when your coverage and rush are both there. On the other side of the ball, I don't listen to the school that claims that Orton should have more INTs - when did anyone keep that stat? However - do you recall how many TOs we didn't get last year? That's changed, in a big way. We're bringing in better players and they are playing a better scheme. It's a process - not an event.
8. Things take time. While this is unfortunate, it is essential. You don't rebuild the kind of disaster that we had a year ago in one offseason, especially when you look at the level of turnover and the issues of developing communication among the players. Top teams tend to congregate near the top of the league - and, they tend to have built the team through vision, coaching and acquisition. The Broncos have begun that process.
Look back at the reasons that were given by so many, guaranteeing failure in the short term. Some of the theories were overstated, but even then there were kernels of truth in many of them. Of course we're struggling. It's Year One of a major reorganization.
Here's something that isn't a problem - the Broncos aren't struggling late in the season because they did so last year or any other year. They are struggling because they are installing new systems, bringing in new players and, yes, it does take more than one season. Belichick, first season with the Patriots? 5-11. Bill Walsh, first season with SF? 2-14. Chuck Noll, first season with the Steelers? 1-13. The list of folks who took over dysfunctional teams and did better than 9-7 in one season is a short one.
Mike Shanahan did a lot of great things for the Broncos and he's earned a place in history, but his last few years were circling the drain. Let's not blame the plumber who took the job of fixing the problems that were left behind. The problems aren't few and they aren't simple. They have little or nothing to do with whether or not you like a draft pick after less than one season, which is kind of silly anyway (If someone can find me a single example of a professional football coach, NFL level, who would agree that it's a good idea to judge a draft after less than a season, I'll apologize for calling this behavior silly. Yes, I do believe in civil and rational discourse, but not in listening to the same inaccurate renderings, over and over. I'm trying to be polite but still pointing out that it's absurd). The problems aren't about whether or not Peyton Hillis is playing well enough to replace LaMont Jordan or whether or not you hate Robert Ayers, Alphonso Smith or whoever. It isn't about whether you think Eddie Royal is being used right or if he's been discovered to have a tell that is costing him, because none of us knows that info anyway.
What it is about is whether or not you're willing to defenestrate yourself over the fact that it takes time to turn a program around. Only a fool would try to walk backwards into the future. Do you want to try doing so, while looking behind you at the things you aren't happy with? I've seen a lot of good football this season and some bad football, but I haven't seen a thing that convinced me that the program isn't going in the right direction.
The question of how the Broncos will play in Philadelphia is misleading. The real issue is, which Broncos will show up? The guys who stopped Dallas and New England in the 4th quarter or the guys who laid down for JaMarcus Russell? The coaches get a lot of flack if the players don't execute, but that's often not their issue - especially if they're still playing with some leftovers who laid down for the last management team. The Broncos do have the players to win this game, even on the road in Philly.
They don't however, have the players who can make a batch of mistakes whenever we get close to scoring or stopping the other team and still win. Maybe the Colts can do that, this year. Even the Saints found out that they can't play that game without losing at it sooner or later. One consistent? The two games that Tyler Polumbus and Russ Hochstein played well recently, we won. The defense needs to step up as well and quite over-pursuing on the backside, but we have had the ability to outscore other teams. We haven't always used it - we're still leaving points on the field. Those (including Tom Brady, who knows a bit about this) who noted that the system takes a couple of years to implement were also right.
It's a multiple-timezone trip to the East, and that's rarely good news for Denver. Week 1 saw us eking out a win in Cincinnati. We haven't managed to play well for our East Coast wins. But, that doesn't mean that we can't win this game. It isn't the kind of challenge that Indianapolis is, but it's a big one, even so. We are still, hard as it is to believe, in the playoff hunt. This game matters a a lot, on that level. Since I don't see us going deep into the playoffs, I'm not as concerned with whether we win as how we approach playing this one. Having had the game moved to the later time slot on Sunday afternoon is an advantage - Let's hope that the Broncos make the best use of it!
Even after dissecting the dissonance from Sunday, there are far worse things in the sports world than being 8-6 going into Philly. I'd like to offer two examples.
In the first, we have only to look back on our NFL record-setting collapse at the end of last season. We dropped a similar game last week and it's easy to consider the two seasons in similar fashion - but to be honest, that's a pretty extensive exaggeration. Among the things that we didn't do this year are to give away the ball constantly. We also have actually recovered some, even though we didn't do enough on Sunday. Even so, both are improvements. So are our players and coaches. They're not perfect yet? I agree. They're not better than Slowik and Bates? Of course they are. And, there are worse fates. Just ask Steve Rosenbloom at the Chicago Tribune:
How bad could it be? Look carefully at the Chicago Bears defense. We'll talk about Cutler's donation to our draft pick's status in a moment, but think about this:
"There will be the usual griping about the Cover-2 defense today. But the Bears played hardly any of it Sunday. Really, they haven't played it much all year. And they didn't play a lot of it last year.
The Bears play a lot of two-deep safeties only when they get opponents in long down and distances. And they haven't been able to do that much lately.
"The defense has evolved away from the (Cover-2)," Cameron said. "I had to change my whole mindset because I remembered going against Lovie (Smith) in St. Louis and playing all the (Cover-2). Looking at all of their games, I realized how committed they are to playing single coverage on the outside."
See, it's really not about the scheme at this point. It's not even about the players.
This is what bankruptcy looks like. There simply is nothing left."
At the Broncos' worst, they aren't close to this. We no longer leave a standard Cover-1 shell, even though our rushing defense was inexcusable against Oakland. Chicago has done exactly what Mike Shanahan and Bob Slowik combined to do - ignore the modern usage of the safety position and invite completions on the outside, balanced by leaving large openings to run through. Baltimore was appropriately grateful for both invitations, exactly as they should have been, and the rout was on.
Not only did Jay Cutler throw his 23rd, 24th and 25th INTs, while notching not a single TD (19/25 for the season, for those who hate Kyle Orton today) and not only did he manage a vile 7.9 QB rating, his backup (C. Hanie) threw for a lousy 8.3 QB rating and still out-performed Jay.
You thought the Broncos game was discouraging? There is a line of folks paying good money to jump off the former Sears Tower rather than watch Chicago take on Minnesota next week. One of the Baltimore writers summed it up well:
Baltimore Sun sportswriter Kevin Van Valkenburg, in his "Five Things We Learned" from the Ravens' victory, notes Fox analyst Brian Billick's comparison of Jay Cutler to Jeff George and takes it one step further: He speculates that Cutler might be the secret spawn of the former Colts quarterback. "They're both from Indiana, and both strong-armed, knuckle-headed, franchise-killing quarterbacks," Van Valkenburg writes. "Cutler is either the worst good quarterback of his generation, or the best bad quarterback of his generation, just like George. The resemblance has become too much to ignore. At this point, all he needs is a mustache."
Steve Rosenbloom had a number of good lines this week (which is also very much like shooting fish in a barrel, but it's still a living for him). This one was a great short summary, though:
"Cutler's first interception was a pass forced to Devin Aromashodu, a bad decision that has become the house special. But hey, at least it took him four plays before throwing a pick."
Well, at least he didn't make anyone wait long to see how the day was going to go ;-). It's a cheap grin, but it beats weeping over the Broncos season. Rosenbloom's headline of the season may have been:
Holiday special: Order your Jay Cutler No. 7.9 jersey and get three INTs thrown in for free!
In the second possibility I've referred to, we could still have Jay Cutler and a few less draft picks. I couldn't guess who we would and would not have, since the decisions in the draft were dependent on those 5 picks between 1-90, but I'd hate to see this team without David Bruton, Darcel McBath or Knowshon Moreno. I know - Moreno is having some rookie problems, but he's also a very good RB with a bright future. About a year ago, I wrote an article on the problems of teaching a running back the Broncos' rushing system. It's one of the toughest to learn, since much of it is counterintuitive. That means that I'm far from being deeply concerned with Moreno, who still leads all rookies in rushing yards.
But let's face something head-on: Jay Cutler is doing a Jeff George imitation that out-rivals Jeff George. He's helpfully starting games by tossing an INT or two just to let everyone know what kind of game it will be. His line is weak and his receivers less than optimal, but you just can't blame anyone but Jay for his increasing ability to create completions with players in various and different uniforms. There's just something so, I don't know, egalitarian about that. On one level you have to admire his generosity of spirit, in the best trends of the holidays.
Folks in Denver didn't think that Jay had a lot of giving in his nature, and I'm glad that we've put that lie to rest. While some, like the male population of Illinois, might bicker about just who he's completing passes to, you have to give him credit for two things. First, he completes a lot of passes, and secondly, he obviously believes far more in sharing the ball than anyone could have suspected last winter. I wanted to take this opportunity to thank him for his dedication to those principles. He's also done everything in his power to protect the Broncos' investment in Chicago's draft pick. How can you describe such a man as petty, mean-spirited or self-serving? Considering all that he's been serving up, I think that we owe him an apology. Sorry, Jay. I guess that I had no real idea just how much you liked the Broncos. But as things have played out, I appreciate you more than I did since the day Mike Shanahan and Company drafted you. Your actions have been a much needed ray of joy in an otherwise bleak and dismal week.
Just keep it up for two more games, Jay. That's all I want for Christmas. Happy Holidays to all!

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‘If you’re going to tell me that recognizing this should lead to a change in approach, I’m with you. The problem is, he’s not going to make that change. While I emphatically disagree with his perspective regarding making a change…’
exclamation point !!!!!!
Changing your strategy/approach and finding workable solutions is NOT THE SAME THING as changing your philosophy, and inflexibility, one could argue, is the antithesis of philosophy ! Rigid doctrinaire garbage !
If you are Josh McDaniels how do you defend your 3rd and short philosophy on the one hand and then use gadget plays in the red zone against the Raiders on the other hand ? Not kosher !
I’m only 7 paragraphs in and i already love this article.
I share your concerns with McD's approach
It seems strange that his offensive style is based on an adaptive amoeba like approach, yet his play calling seems to reinforce unsuccessful matchups. Maybe it will take him a couple of seasons to adjust his system to the strengths and weaknesses of the players he actually has versus the ones he wishes he had.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Dec 24, 2009 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
The problem is the nature of 3rd and 1
Finesse blocking no longer works – the defenders are simply lined up to take on your guys and the OL has to move them back or lose the play. Try to run outside and the defense will string it out, because everyone on the D is reading run first and the safetys and CBs will block the outside holes. And one shortcoming of Orton is he can’t execute the most obvious “keep them honest” play, the play-action fake followed by a rollout with a run/pass option.
Very good reading and great analysis!
As always, thank you!
Merry christmas to you and all MHR members!
O-Line
Its interesting that I, others, and MSM considered the O-line the greatest srength of the Broncos in preseason and now we view it as the greatest weakness.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
Kevin Van Valkenburg needs to credit Jake Plummer for being the first person to see the similarites between George and Cutler.
I do believe he was the first person to call that one.
Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal.
by MrFNSunshine on Dec 24, 2009 10:41 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Was that before or after
He told the writer/kicker that Shanahan could kiss his….
Man, I miss the Snake!
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
I think that you're right, Sunshine
That one was picked up so fast by so many that I didn’t even hear Jake get credit when it happened. At the time, I wasn’t sure it was fair – and I’ve changed my mind.
I still think Jay has the physical tools and desperately needs coaching. Over time, he could be very good if he can get his head on straight. . However – he’s self-destructed this year and this year gets us a higher draft pick, so it’s the only one that will matter to me. Another joy for the season!
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
I have a Cutler question, since I have not watched any Bears games this year. Does he still get an inordinate number of passes batted down at the LOS? That drove me nuts last year, and I chalked that up to him having too much faith in his historically powerful arm…
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
NCM, I can answer this. Depending on the source you believe:
Cutler : 6 to 8 passes batted at the line of scrimmage this year
Orton: same as Cutler
The top five you might ask?
McNabb: 14
Warner: 14
Brees 13
Campbell: 12
Cassel: 12
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Actually, that's a trait that I noted last season in both Orton and Cutler
Cutler has overcome that to great extent. Now he puts on enough arc to complete them to the the team. I admire efficiency.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Doc Bear on Dec 24, 2009 2:53 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks
at both TJ and Emmett. I’m actually surprised to see Brees on that list, but I guess that’s going to happen when you throw the ball that much.
And since I’ve neglected it before now, Merry Christmas to everyone at MHR!
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
Also, Brees is only 6 feet tall. He´s not Doug Flutie short, but short for a QB in general
Warner has a sort of side arm throwing style. McNabb was a surprise given that he´s 6 feet 3 inches tall. This could bode well for tipped ball and INTs, since he averages 1 per game. I hope Vonnie and the boys know this stat.
And merry x-mas too you as well.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
by TJ Johnson on Dec 24, 2009 9:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Is it okay to tell you
that I think this might just be perfect writing ?
Wish I could describe how satisfying reading your thoughts/musings is/are…honestly I sort of feel like a dancing puppet on your string this morning and yet in the best way possible. You managed to inflame my football passion in your opening, talked me back down to earth and gave me even greater hope than I could have asked for as a Broncos fan in the body of this material, and closed it out with some fantastic and humourous lines on Cutler, the gift that just keeps on giving and giving and giving.
Thank you so much for this and Merry Christmas !
by Jenna Talia on Dec 24, 2009 10:42 AM MST reply actions 4 recs
Awesome comment Jenna.
I was trying to put my thoughts ‘on paper’ too, but you beat me to it. This article is the perfect representation of the quality that typifies MHR. I consider myself a pretty good writer, but the staff here (and Emmett in particular) constantly humbles me…
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
This article is an instant classic
You have outdone yourself as usual, Doc. Your work was some of the first stuff that drew me to MHR, and I have found so much to love about everyone’s work around here. I have to say, though…this is my favorite single piece of work I have ever seen on MHR.
While I don’t agree with every point you make, some points in particular compel me to give them special mention. First, are the Ultahamma Grannies on NFL Sunday Ticket? Second, the bullet point for point # 2 actually made me laugh out loud, thereby choking on my coffee. And a question: you make several references to locker-room problems. Any insight into the who and what?
Overall, I think this is the best analysis and explanation I have seen of exactly what we have this season, and of why we should be optimistic heading into the future. What a great read, and a great way to start out the holiday weekend. Thanks, and I cannot say “Rec’d” enough!
Oh, but I still want to see Hillis get some carries, regardless what down they come on.
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
by ncm42 on Dec 24, 2009 10:48 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
One complaint...
I didn’t want this article to end!
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
Just read slower, that's what I do.
The longer I can enjoy this article, the better.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 24, 2009 12:06 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd hate it if we all agreed on every point - it would be lousy for discourse
Please disagree away – it’s half the fun and most of the education!
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
I think most of the education comes from the staff!
And from several of the regular commenters. Do you have any more info on who/what are the locker room problems?
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
No, nothing specific
The comments that came from DJ Johnson mirrored some other unattributed comments. The team also seemed, and I may just be prejudiced, but they seemed to be less aggressive and were far less disciplined during the losses. From what I know of the current coaching/management team, whoever it was that was letting the emotions rule them in a negative way can expect to be finding a new place to work next year. Smart ,tough and physical are necessities – not optional qualities.
I actually like it that no one in the locker room talks, even if it frustrates me as a fan and as a writer. The team should hang together – they need to trust each other.
Darn it.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
Hahahahahaha
love the last line. Thanks for answering…
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
Awsome
Way to put all our heads back where they belong. REALITY! Josh will get it done, he actually has something Shanny had lost a long time ago. A VISION!
by johnnyurrotten on Dec 24, 2009 10:59 AM MST reply actions
thanks as usual, kind sir
For your long term, positive outlook. I tend to think of the Broncos past more in terms of coaches than QBs, and I was a big Shanahan fan myself. #5 really hit the nail on the head for me. Thanks for reminder that the general trend had been downward the last few years. As usual, Mr Bowlen is smarter than I am. Let us all hope the McDaniels era is long and successful!
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
Philip K. Dick
This season reminds me of 1995
I remember Mike Shanahans first season in 1995 when the Broncos finished 8-8.The Broncos that year had some improbable comebacks,Rod Smith’s first ever catch of a Hail Mary pass from John Elway against Darrell Green and the Redskins,as well as some shocking defeats,including blowing a 20 + point lead to the Seahawks.
But what we didnt know then and what I think we dont know now is that the Broncos were on the verge of something big.The next year they were 13-3 before being upset at home against the lowly Jaguars and the next two seasons saw the Broncos hoisting the Lombardi trophy.
Another thing that the Broncos of 95 and the Broncos of 09 had in common is a first year head coach who had a plan for greatness.In todays win now and win at all costs attitude it is difficult to be patient,but be patient we must fro great things are on the horizon and I for one want a front row seat!
by OrangeCrush4082 on Dec 24, 2009 11:14 AM MST reply actions
Thanks for bringing that up, OC
You’re right – Mike did a nice job over a four year period of getting the team better. The loss against the Jags was one of the worst in Broncos history, but it certainly did get the team attention
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
I don't expect McD to follow the same building model that Shanahan used in 1995-96
A lot of that came from FA signings and was clearly oriented to winning a Super Bowl with the HOF quarterback the Broncos already had in place. Actually, the second Super Bowl represented overachievement! But that sort of process gave a team that was bound to decline more quickly
Without a player like Elway in place, I would expect this process to be more methodical and more oriented toward the draft. But it will probably also take a bit longer to be successful and the QB may be the last piece put in place (unless Brandstater proves to be the future QB).
by ClarkFan on Dec 25, 2009 3:34 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
There is just no way to be effusive enough :-)
A thoroughly enjoyable read.
I too was happy to have Plummer leading the team and was sad to see him go.
It has been so hard for me to follow the Broncos from out East here and I am not a stats or college guy (so the draft is a mystery to me). I am so happy to have found this site with all its wonderful writing and fantastic information.
Thanks to all of you that contribute and help me to celebrate MY Broncos!
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
by Sean in Pa. on Dec 24, 2009 11:22 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
The Oakland game was very frustrating to watch!
At one point in the game Daniel Graham got a little frustrated his own self pantsing #93 Tommy Kelly in front of the home crowd. He literally pulled his pants down after Knowson Moreno tried to run right off of Polumbus and Graham’s blocking for little or no gain. The OLine is getting beat on almost every play and teams have had enough film now to see that. Until we fix that problem Kyle Orton and company will continue to struggle.
That is why all of the clamor for a quarterback in draft is foolish drivel. It’s not Kyle Orton fault the OLine can’t hold the line of scrimmage. No quarterback in the NFL would have much success with these guys.
While they aren't an elite line
they do play better than Chicago’s line.
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
So, Does that make Jay
George the 2nd?
The best thing about Jay’s gift, is that Knowshon hasn’t thrown any picks.
I had to Rec Jenna’s comment because she put it quite succinctly.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
I feel like I agree with Josh
You have to have a consistent message: If you want to win, you have to block in short yardage, if you don’t block you won’t win. If you try “work arounds” you wind up with what we hand under Shanny, a team of weenies! In the long run, I think Josh cannot accept anything less until he weeds out who can and will from who can’t and won’t.
"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait"
by littletinybroncos on Dec 24, 2009 11:37 AM MST reply actions
Work-arounds
Love them with a computer problem, hate them on the football field. You’re right – ultimately, they don’t work anyway. You often just expose a different aspect when you try to play past a major weakness.
Quite a number of coaches whose careers I’ve followed and who I admire have noted that you have to win the one-on-one matchups – period. You have to beat the guy across from you – our line hasn’t been doing that. As so many have noted – it will be a priority in the off season
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
And in football, the work-arounds are called "gagdet plays"
And the fans of the team say “oh, wow” when they work and far worse things when they fail. But they tend to have a far lower success rates than having one guy on the OL beat the guy in front of him and create running space. The failures are much more spectacular, too.
As I said in a reply above, a mobile quarterback can create more possibilities without the all-or-nothing element of a gadget play. But we don’t have one of those right now, and good ones aren’t very common (all hail #7). Much as I would like a QB who can create more options, I would want to see the team fix the line first (the DL, too). I spent a lot of years watching a team with the best mobile QB ever and weak OLs and DLs, and every one of those Super Bowls hurt like hell.
by ClarkFan on Dec 25, 2009 3:54 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent stuff!!!
I imagine you are confoundingly annoying to the sky-is-falling crowd. While its no news flash that there are some problems with this team; that KM has struggled at times; and that McD hasn’t been perfect, its strange that so many have forgot where the Broncos were about this time last year. I struggle most with the fact that the same crowd who promised that Denver will be awful this year are now the biggest critics of the ‘collapse’. It would be one thing if they were playing the told-you-so-game, but now its like the Broncos and McD are letting them down. Talk about wildly floating expectations!! Its as weird of paradox as the duality between McD’s stated philosophy and his play calling at times (as so nicely articulated by you and by Jenna and Arctic above).
Thank you for your consistent and all too logical voice of reason.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 24, 2009 11:40 AM MST reply actions
thanks very much, PO
I have to say, there are some sky is falling folks who do seem to be less than thrilled with my work (although I actually enjoy hearing from them), but it’s just been that kind of year. We win, we’re going to the SB, we lose, we’re terrible and won’t win another game. I’m finally to the point where I’m mostly unaffected – they see it their way, I see it mine. No worries. Makes for good discourse.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
Good article, but I am in awe
That somehow, Kyle Orton continues to get off with none of the blame for the inadequacy of the offense. The guy has done nothing worth writing home about. Has he been terrible? No. Has he done anything (especially in the last 8 weeks) to make a difference on this team? No. Orton was handed the offensive weapons of his dreams and has responded with nothing but mediocrity. Yet everyone wants to blame the running game or the offensive line. The bottom line is that Kyle Orton does not make anyone around him better and is just as big a problem – if not more – to the offensive woes of this team than the running game or even the play-calling. I firmly believe that the lack of creativity in the playcalling is that McD knows Orton’s limitations better than anyone and simply does not care to show them to world.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted and then used against you.
Another thought on KM
An important point that doesn’t get talked about much is that, had we kept Baby Jeff George (BJG) and not had the extra 1st rounder, we probably wouldn’t have drafted KM(my speculation). I remember several of the mock drafts had San Diego drafting him. Tell me SD wouldn’t be a better team this year with KM. Considering SD still doesn’t have a good replacement for LT, I think we need to factor in the impact to our biggest rival when we talk about whether KM was a good pick or not.
excellent point
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by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 24, 2009 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
Awesome piece, once again, Doc.
I agree with everything you’ve said and you have said it in a way that is vastly more eloquent than I ever could. It is at times like this where I feel guilty that this is free content. Well, just for one second, anyways. Thanks again, Doc.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
careful kb
we’re already losing one writer to the big bad world
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
by Sean in Pa. on Dec 24, 2009 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, but Ted has always talked about how he compares himself to the Peter Kings and other pundits of this world.
When he mentioned that he was moving on to other things, it didn’t surprise me all that much because that always seemed to be a part of his pieces. Emmett doesn’t really compare himself to the other pundits in his pieces or think he has something to prove. He writes about the broncos because that is what he likes to do. MHR is the perfect place for that, in my opinion.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 24, 2009 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
Nicely put, kb
He writes about the broncos because that is what he likes to do. MHR is the perfect place for that, in my opinion
I agree entirely. I’m very happy for Ted and I wish every success for him with his new endeavor. My own situation is quite different – and MHR really has been the perfect place for me to write. My thanks, as always, go out to John for creating this Broncos Mecca and establishing what I still consider to be the best sports site on the web, and for the staff and members, past, present and future, who have done so much to make me feel welcome and useful. It’s been a blast!
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
This was a bucket of ice water in the face.
Anything worthwhile takes time to build doesn’t it? I mean otherwise all the teams in the NFL would be great every year. Now we see that parity is an illusion and a few teams are built the right way with complementary players, coaches and management. You reminded us that this is a process that is very early in its development. We need to keep getting better and keep acquiring the right kind of player we have lacked in recent years. At least there is a plan that seems sound to me.
While I tend to give the officiating quite a bit of slack, I was appalled at their performance last Sunday. It may have been one of the worst ever and I believe did affect the outcome of the game.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
I'd rather be a Bronco fan whose team is rebuilding than
a Raiders or Chiefs fan whose team is rebuilding. lol
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
This season reminds me of 1995
I remember Mike Shanahans first season in 1995 when the Broncos finished 8-8.The Broncos that year had some improbable comebacks,Rod Smith’s first ever catch of a Hail Mary pass from John Elway against Darrell Green and the Redskins,as well as some shocking defeats,including blowing a 20 + point lead to the Seahawks.
But what we didnt know then and what I think we dont know now is that the Broncos were on the verge of something big.The next year they were 13-3 before being upset at home against the lowly Jaguars and the next two seasons saw the Broncos hoisting the Lombardi trophy.
Another thing that the Broncos of 95 and the Broncos of 09 had in common is a first year head coach who had a plan for greatness.In todays win now and win at all costs attitude it is difficult to be patient,but be patient we must fro great things are on the horizon and I for one want a front row seat!
by OrangeCrush4082 on Dec 24, 2009 12:58 PM MST reply actions
This is a very good article and should have a place in the Denver Post.
Outstanding Doc and rec’d. I have come to the conclusion that echo along your lines; This is a rebuilding time and any success that we have is absolutely a plus. Going into the game Sunday I am going to have an attitude of equanimity, not going to be frustrated if we lose and will celibrate if we win, either way I am greatly appreciative of the great work Pat Bowlen has done to try and get this team back to winning ways. Denver Broncos, I salute you!
And now you're urging him to go to the Post?
When will we stop trying to force our staffers out into the MSM? hahaha…….. well, it’s almost christmas. Maybe I should have said hohoho, instead?
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 24, 2009 9:36 PM MST up reply actions
Besides, the Post wouldn't give him anything like that kind of space and it was the in-depth development that made this column
True. With a piece like that, the editor would be out of a job, too.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 25, 2009 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks, Emmit. That was quite an enjoyable read.
After a demoralizing defeat to Oakland, comic releif at the expense of Mr. Cutler was just the right medicine.
I truly appreciate the breakdown of who’s doing what during games. Someone, such as myself, doesn’t have the time/energy/resources to do so. For the first time since I started watching football, I have a place to go where I can learn all of what happened beyond what I was able to absorb while watching the game. I’m more informed as to who contributes, and who lays an egg.
I am among the many that grow tired of the refusal to change approach when what’s been tried isn’t working. I’ve repeatedly described it as a commitment to banging your head against the wall, and expecting the wall to eventually give. There’s only one thing I can think of as a possible positive reason for such obstinance. Josh wasn’t shy about describing this team as not superbowl worthy. That kind of makes the ‘09 season to be one long training camp. To start, he proved to the players and fans that his team can win. Going 6-0 will do that. Upon flaws being exposed, keep doing it until you get it right. There are some things he expects his team to be able to do for the team to be a winner. The more reps you give your players, the more chance to see what you’ve got as far as talent. The players have had ample chance to prove whether they’re worthy to continue with the rebuilding program. The weak links are now exposed, and may now be purged.
There are many positives going forward. Many of us are impatient, and want to see a long playoff push now. Even during rebuilding, we may still see it. My bet is that Josh is playing for the future.
After All's Said and Done
going into Philadelphia, we still control our destiny. GO BRONCOS!!!
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 24, 2009 3:05 PM MST reply actions
Thanks, Bear
I really appreciate your writing and enjoyed this article very much.
You mentioned several times that McD is building a team. I remember John saying and writing that Shanny was in year 3 of a 5 year rebuilding plan (I think it was 3/5). Did you agree with that? Do you think that Shanny finally was trying to rebuild? Do you think he was doing a good job of it, enough to help McD this year? Or is it because McD is going in a different direction with the team that whatever Shanny was/wasn’t doing was thrown out the window, with Cutler? Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy that Cutler has gone to Chicago and given this team so much, I hope he throws another three picks this weekend. I am not, however, sold on Orton yet. I would like to see him come back next year and show improvement, behind a much stronger offensive line. In looking at last weeks tape did you note how many 3rd and 7’s we had? I think there were a lot, and I know that we didn’t convert many. It was hard to watch.
It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?
aka Solace
Good question regardig Shanahan
I think that HT/Steve was right – after the 05 debacle with PITT hammering on Denver, they did try to rebuild. Because they never came out and said so, it always was kind of a strange situation – new DCs every year, with completely different player requirements creating that defensive revolving door made for a bad form of rebuilding. My question at the time and currently was/is – so, what are we rebuilding and how are we going about it? Despite the troubles this year, Shanahan did build a very good O-line and brought in some good receivers. However – I can’t point to any other area on the field that I was comfortable with. I was pretty vocal about not being happy with Jay cutler’s refusal/inability to progress in terms of decision-making as well as a few other things.
So, I think that the answer to your query is yes, they were in year 3 and no, they never quite got to the part about admitting it and creating a multi-year plan that included a defense and some special teams. That’s what I’m happiest about with McD et al – there are real systems, the whole team is being upgraded (which won’t happen in one year, but can in three, with year 2 becoming a better team than this season).
As far as cutler – I didn’t expect him to implode this badly, but I expected the pattern that he was in to manifest at least in degree. Seriously – Jay may have to go back to the ‘This is a football’ end of things and redo his footwork, mechanics, read progressions, run play calling and decision-making if he’s to become what certain of his physical skills give hope to. Otherwise, it could be ‘Can I get you another, Mr. George?’
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
And There it is.
It is this type of writing that makes the MHR such an event to look forward to at the end of the work day. Re-read the article just to make sure that I caught everything the first time. Let’s look forward to this sunday game with a much better understanding of what is going on in the vagaries of the Denver Broncos. Love the Broncs, Love this site. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good year. Peace Out
Nice article Doc - Question
You did the hypothetical – if we still had Jay Cutler portion of thread.
I have one, what if we had a Jay Cutler that wanted to be coached by Josh rather than to leave town? We would not have some draft picks but a well coached Cutler might have made the O-Line look better with not as many mistakes. Also, the threat of throwing across field or far down field would be more respected. Perhaps more room for backs to run also (until the red zone). I think Jay would be closer to a top 5 NFL QB then another Jeff George. What do you think?
Also, recommended the article.
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
Just curious
Who would you say are the worst offenders as far as poor field play or bad locker-room presence? Who needs to go the most?
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-Mark Twain, 1870
That's an interesting thought, wyoeng
I don’t tend to see it that way, but I’d like to make it clear that your scenario could just as easily be right. You could postulate that what Cutler needs more than anything else is someone who won’t put up with his guff, will make it very clear that his mistakes are not acceptable and having such a person in his professional life might change the way that he plays in a positive way. If so, it would push him way up the charts in terms of his rankings. Could McD have been that guy?
The other side is that perhaps Cutler saw McD as being that kind of guy and wanted out of town (in part) so as to avoid being dealt with that way. We do know that something in their conversation on that fateful day that Cutler went to the team’s faciity and he and McD spoke for the past time drove Jay crazy and McD didn’t see it as being a big deal. Everyone has a theory – mine isn’t worth more than anyone else’s. So far, though, getting Jay to accept an put into practice the kinds of things that make an offense work consistently has not been an easy path.
As for your Q, BornOrange – poor play? I’ve been disappointed in Le Kevin Smith so far. Woodyard, as I noted, is on and off, but so young in the game that this may just be part of the learning curve (and other reason why ‘building thru the draft’ is limited, even though it’s important. Too many young guys and you have too many mistakes and an inability to be emotionally mature). Smith has made more than his share of mistakes, but we don’t know about his health, either – high ankle sprains can bother you for months and so can hammies. I’m pretty disappointed in Hochstein and Polumbus – I had hoped for more.
But I have no idea who is a problem in the locker room. I haven’t heard any specifics, and as I said, I think that’s a good thing. By the time such things make the general media, the team is usually toast. My point on this is that I’m fairly sure that McD is well aware of the miscreants, and they will be known by the fact that they will be wearing other colors next season.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
Defenestrate?
Doc, you’re talking to us beer-swigging, vulgar football fans. lol
Seriously, this was just a wonderful, wonderful analysis. Thanks for helping me to put my head back on straight.
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
In Regards To Cutler
remember what Steve Tasker said about Brandon Marshall during last Sunday’s game. Marshall said “the Broncos didn’t give me what I wanted, which is the best thing to ever happen to me.” We played hard ball with Marshall and Cutler, who got what he wanted, will never improve for no one ever tells him to. The Bears are stuck with his rocket arm and 8-year-old personality.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 24, 2009 6:19 PM MST reply actions
As a Indiana resident
I have the fortune/misfortune of watching my fair share of NFC North games when the Colts aren’t on TV…and Cutler’s personality aside I actually think he’s handled the Chicago media well since he’s being handled by the worst GM/Coach tandem I’ve seen in history. Lovie Smith and Jerry Angelo makes me appreciate Bill Polian as Colts President pretty much every damn day.
We all remember Ryan Leaf going absolutely ballistic after being destroyed by KC…well Cutler’s had every opportunity to do that since Week 5 but hasn’t. I can’t blame Denver fans for having hard feelings for Jay, because he derserves to be facing a 5-11 abyss and a non-probowl year…but seriously Bronco fans…the kid’s not the devil. And imagine having a GM who’d trade Terrell Davis and John Lynch in their prime for mid-round draft picks…that’s the kind of dysfucntion that occurs west of me in Chicago. Jim Caldwell and can develop young talent…Lovie Smith on the Bears…not so much. Think about it…why did it take Kyle Orton and Cedric Benson having the kind of stellar years they are having AWAY from the Chicago organization.
See you all in the playoffs.
You make a decent point, but are you SURE he's not the devil?
;-)
Honestly, I was never a big fan of him. And the last straw for me was that he (reportedly) had his dad turn his playbook in for him when he was done in Denver. A multimillionaire pro athlete has his DAD turn in his playbook??? If that is true, and not just rumor, I think it speaks to what kind of spoiled, coddled, immature kid he really is.
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
We don't think that he's the devil, Jake
You probably had to be around – the national news media and the fans of the Bears danced around MHR for months, insisting that we were being led by a coach who wasn’t quite potty trained – but who must have had the IQ of a carrot as well as the ego of Liberace. We were further hammered when we traded our own 1st round draft pick for next year and kept Chicago’s, because, well, it was obviously moronic to think that Denver might end up with a better record.
After months of trying to talk reasonably about all of this, we now have both the upper hand and the constant influx of this unfolding soap opera. After getting our tail ends handed to us by hated division rival Oakland last week (at home, no less), I just thought that we needed a good smile. That’s why I called this article Fish in a Barrel – I wasn’t shooting for high satire, nor fire and brimstone, just a little lowbrow gigglage.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
by Doc Bear on Dec 24, 2009 8:42 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say the Broncos had a forgone high draft pick
after Jerry Angelo gave up Thomas Jones, Chris Harris, and Ron Rivera back after we beat those guys in ‘07. That’d be like if Bill Polian traded Antoine Bethea, Joseph Addai, and OC Tom Moore for 4-5th round draft picks…no reasonable GM with common sense would do that except Angelo.
If there’s one thing I hate to see in this league is wasted talent…and Cutler’s talents are obviously being wasted by a coach who never adjusted to us game-wise during the Superbowl. If Cutler landed with the Colts…believe me his shit would be corrected at Lucas Oil.
If Cutler landed with the colts, he'd sit on the bench until Peyton retires in 30 years.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 24, 2009 10:24 PM MST up reply actions
I'd argue that Cutler has shown...
…that he sees himself as above coaching. When all was said and done, his real beef with McD was that McD insisted that he get grouped in status with the other 52 guys on the roster. JC was mad that he didn’t get to pick the coach, then didn’t get to pick the OC/QB coach, and that Denver took the Cassell call. He views himself as a transcendent player who should be built around and pandered to. He even threatened a team mutiny if McD continued to have the audacity to try to be the alpha male. JC loved Shanahan because Shanahan was convinced that JC’s lack of discipline and willingness to throw into coverage was balance out with big time plays and all that garbage. He seemed to mistake similar arms and legs with John Elway. Basically, Shanahan was convenient— let the kid play ball however he wants and it will work out in the end.
Lovie Smith and Crew didn’t do the damage to JC. Shanny started it and Angelo drove the nail home after rewarding him steeply for not changing a thing in his game.
The only reason I root for JC to struggle anymore is the draft pick and how it connects to all the garbage the new regime caught over trading the Denver pick last year. Seeing JC eat a little humble pie hasn’t hurt either. Next year, I wish him and the Bears all the luck.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 25, 2009 9:23 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you except
I believe the damage was really started long before. Perhaps even as early as PeeWee football. Depending on when he really started to show talent and was given the nudge. I base this opinion on what someone else said but it makes sense. JC was guided along to be an NFL QB, like any young star, sometimes when given leeway, you learn to take and even expect it.
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
by Sean in Pa. on Dec 25, 2009 10:30 AM MST up reply actions
I can see both sides to this arguement
…but I’m going to ultimately side with Jake. In no way should any NFL fan let Lovie Smith off the hook for constraining Kyle Orton when he was a Bear and for running an outdated Cover-Soft Defense.
Maybe Cutler’s uncoachable but I doubt it, because when you have players like Cedric Benson and even Justin Gage flourish outside of Angelo and Smith that is absolutely damning for a city held hostage by an incompentant GM/Coach tandem.
Remember…Cedric Benson was once “uncoachable” too.
by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Dec 25, 2009 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
Good stuff PO
and agreed 1,00000%. Watching some of the silly habits Cutler has that are so fundamental…holding the ball down by his hip before throwing, forcing the throws into triple coverage, etc…smack of a lack of any discipline whatsoever.
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
Wow Doc...This is an awesome article, and very well timed I might add.
Should be required reading for all of Bronco Country…Thanks!
-Richee
-Measure your performance against your best competitors and consider how you can use it to beat them the next time!
-Your concious mind can only hold one thought at a time, positive or negative. Which is it going to be???
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i hope we all get what we want
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
Thank you Jay Cutler!
I really loved the end of this post in congratulating Jay. It has given me perspective and Im no longer a Jay hater. Instead im going to begin thanking him for providing us another opportunity to grow with his generosity!
Merry Christmas Jay Cutler and thanks for the gift that keeps on giving!
"Iron sharpens Iron."
My favorite teams are:
Broncos
and anyone playing against Da Bears!
The Good and the Bad
Regarding #5.
I’m one of the ones who believes McD’s playcalling is costing us the ability to be more competitive. To better explain my position, this is what happens to the fanbase when the new head coach says in the offseason that he wants to try to win now.
What I believed when we were on a winning streak, was that given Denver’s style of running, combined with the New England style of passing, we’d see a season of steady improvement with some setbacks. The setbacks have occurred, but not because of reasons I would expect. McD seemingly abandoned zone-running in all of the games in which we lost this year and are one of the key reasons behind our poor 3rd down conversion %.
I get what he’s doing – implementing his style now, so that the players who fit the system will stay and the rest will have to be let go in the offseason. I would rather see implementation of his power running game against only lesser opponents, while playing to our strengths against stiffer competition. That would I believe, allow us to "win now," as he told us before the season.
Of course I acknowledge, that he’s the HC and I’m just an armchair critic giving his $0.02.
Silver Lining
Besides the obvious learning experiences of the players who will be kept on this team for next year, what I think will also likely occur, is the better players will not receive such fat contracts for the future. Being less than stellar in 2009 keeps the stock values of some of our great players a bit lower than if we advanced deep in the playoffs.
That I think will help us continue to improve, along with not having to pay an extra $7M to Shanahan, as it appears likely that he will be coaching next year. These are good things for us, if you ask me.
Merry Christmas!
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I don't think you can switch blocking styles from game to game - sounds like a recipe for confusion and never executing well.
If McDaniel wants to change styles, better to go cold turkey and live with the consequences.
Oh it's more interesting than that
We’ve actually been using both running styles in several if not most of our games this year.
Denver’s been a zone-running team for a long time. McD will eventually replace it with power-running. I believe the evidence speaks for itself, in that he’s predominantly relying on the ZB scheme, while sprinkling in the man-blocking, which is his preference. In some games, he seems to switch to having our O-line predominantly man-block, with zone-blocking sprinkled in.
Has that switching been the cause of some false starts by our offense this year? Possibly. Has it contributed to our 3rd and short yardage woes? I think so. The ZB scheme is gone in Denver. It will be replaced and McD needs bigger offensive linemen.
Wiegmann may still be the starter next year, despite some complaints by some fans. The reason is, we do not have a legitimate backup, and anyone that could be an option includes Seth Olsen who’s never started a game in the NFL, Chris Kuper, who’s currently our starting RG (he’s incidentally our best guard, in my opinion,) or Russ Hochstein, who looks more like a backup guard at best. We might dip into the FA market to solve this problem next year.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Thanks Doc, Always a pleasure...and Fish in a barrel, how appropriate. ( Do hope its sammon )
Something you wrote got me thinking:
Even the offense was troubled – the issue of not picking up short yardage wasn’t a sudden thing, this year. It was the same last year. Management too often neglected the team for too long to demand perfection in a single year.
Perhaps our running back problem of 2008, could be attributed to brainwashing our backs into a kamikazic
style of running…just a thought.
All the best to you and yours
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

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