Broncos Playoff Scenarios and the Waiting Game
Ok. There is going to be a complete list of all the playoff scenarios, including if games end in a tie, coming later tonight. Until then, you can check out this FanPost. Hat-tip to CaliBroncoBoy for posting it.
Now, the easiest way for the Broncos to get in to the playoffs - at least in terms of remembering it for the week - involves the following scenario -
1. Broncos Win - Beating the Chiefs is a requirement. Yes, there are ways for the Broncos to get in at 8-8, but no need to get into that right now.
AND....
2. Two of the following teams lose their game -- Baltimore @ Oakland; Pittsburgh @ Miami; or New York Jets Vs. Cincinnati.
That will get it done. Yes, there is a scenario where the Broncos get in if one of those teams lose and the Texans beat New England, but again, I am going for ease of remembering.
This is pretty easy too - if the Jets and Ravens win, they are in the Playoffs, regardless of what Denver, or anyone else does.
Now, for the waiting game. The NFL just announced that the Jets-Bengals game, the final game at The Meadowlands, has been flexed - it is now the Sunday Night game on NBC(8:20pm ET). That means the Broncos, and us fans, may need to wait late into the night to find out, for sure, if we'll play in the Post-Season.
More on this as things become officially-official.
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The head to head only applies of all tied teams played each other…so we must avoid a three way tie with Pitt and Balt.
right
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2009 8:37 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know who to believe!
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
I want KB to be right because it would amuse me
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
I'm not right. lol.
I miscalculated that they fill the wildcard spots one at a time. Since that is the case, things get don’t turn out quite as well for the broncos.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2009 8:38 PM MST up reply actions
What side are you on...win and we're in OR we need help!
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
I've read it already.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
safest bet
as far a i can tell from people’s posts is that we want the texans to beat the patriots? that would take the rest of the confusion down a notch, correct?
I agree.....simple fact....we needed a win in last 3 weeks and we screwed the pooch.....enough said.....lets just beat the Chielfs and what will be will be!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Absolutely agree Boydy
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Dec 27, 2009 8:43 PM MST up reply actions
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by John Bena on Dec 27, 2009 8:26 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Broncos are the 5th seed
AFC Playoff tiebreakers
* New England earns the No. 3 seed over Cincinnati based on strength of victory (.433 to Bengals’ .403).
* Denver earns the No. 5 seed over N.Y. Jets and Baltimore based on strength of victory (.513 to Jets’ .492 and Ravens’ .387) and conference record over Houston (6-5 to Texans’ 5-6).
* N.Y. Jets earn the No. 6 seed over Baltimore based on strength of victory (.492 to Ravens’ .387) and conference record over Houston (6-5 to Texans’ 5-6).
* Baltimore finishes ahead of Houston based on conference record (6-5 over Texans’ 5-6).
* Houston finishes ahead of Pittsburgh based on common games (3-1 over Steelers’ 1-3).
this is from cbs sports
those numbers are based on RIGHT NOW.
If the Jets beat Cincy next week and we beat KC, then the strength of victory numbers change making the Jets AND the Ravens higher than Denver in that category.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
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Man I hate waiting for another game or depending on another team
for the Broncos to get in. So frustrating. They made a superb comeback today and I really thought they’d actually win that game miraculously which would’ve made all this easier. But was a tough task and is not to be. That they are still in the playoff mix even with all the ups and downs and in a rebuilding year in which they were not expected to compete, and have at least fought really hard… well, I’m proud of these guys. You know?
But playoffs would be nice.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
You can look at all the scenarios here...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/playoffscenario?algorithm=home
Bottom line, we need either Baltimoreor the Jets to LOSE!
That's what I was thinking.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
if you are a racist, I will attack you with the north.
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haha, no, Cutler/Plummer, that was Civil War, this is just people wanting their team to get in
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
I love John Bena and MHR, so we need some help!
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
I went from thinking win and we're in to totally depressed again.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
I have depressed since the raiders loss and it aint getting any better!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
GUYS...
As we stand right now, this is the story -
1. NFL has officially announced that the only two teams that control their own destiny are the Jets and Ravens. If they win next week(BAL @ OAK, CIN @ NYJ) they are in. The NFL also announced that the Bengals/Jets game has been moved to Sunday Night Football
2. Now, for the Broncos to get in, there are two “easy” scenarios. Like I said, there will be more, but these are the easiest -
Scenario A -
1. Broncos WIN and…..
2. Losses from 2 of the following 3 teams – BAL, PIT. NYJ
Scenario B -
1. Broncos WIN and….
2. Loss from 1 of the following teams – BAL, NYJ
3. NE loss to HOU at home.
The reason Scenario B helps is Head-2-Head will not factor in a 3-way tiebreaker. Broncos would beat BAL or PIT in a tiebreaker with HOU based on conference record or strength of victory.
I hope that helps. Like I said, Scenario A is the easiest to remember.
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by John Bena on Dec 27, 2009 8:34 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks John...work always appreciated!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
thanks for the update
now let the depression sink in
I still like the direction of this team
even though there have been plenty of frustrating games
The QB position is set.
The direction from 6-0 to here is meltdown
There are things to like about the team, but its direction is not good
I dont....we have headed down...spiralling down.....
We have one of the worst 5 records since week 6…we are 2-7…the same record as Tampa Bay…not elite company!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Wonder if the Pats will rest any starters vs Houston
since NE is in now? Curious. Doubtful.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
I''m glad you stats geniuses are around to do all the heavy thinking. Thnaks
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
As it stands
Houston and New England both have motivation to play hard. So a fair game will be played there. We need a Houston win.
Cincy and the Jets get tricky.
If New England wins Cincy will play their starters in order to get the 3 seed. If Houston wins Cincy has nothing to play for.
This causes us problems. If Baltimore wins (which they should) we would need Houston to win. This would then cause Cincy to possibly lay down to the Jets in which case we are eliminated.
absolutely
we don’t even know who to cheer for. Damned if we do damned if we don’t type of scenario.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Dec 27, 2009 8:48 PM MST up reply actions
yes
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2009 8:50 PM MST up reply actions
Well kind of
A Houston win increases the likelihood of Cincy loss (based on resting players).
by T.Dot_Bronco on Dec 27, 2009 8:53 PM MST up reply actions
Bottom line for next week:
Go Cincy, Houston, Miami and Oakland.
Simple as that.
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Basiclly we are screwed...sorry for my misunderstanding to everyone!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
So
I hope for the Broncos to win (naturally) the Dolphins to smack the Metalheads and the Bengals to beat the Jets. Sanchez will choke, if we take care of business, I’m quite confident. Counting on the Faiders to beat the Ravens is unrealistic
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 27, 2009 8:47 PM MST reply actions
Regardless of this all
chances of us making it are pretty slim. The matchups just don’t play out in our favor. We blew a golden chance last week.
Some more clarification...
Common Opponent TieBreaker is not being factored in right now – it will kick-in next week – that is a killer for the Broncos..
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If the jets win, then yes. If the jets lose to the bengals, then it doesn't matter as much.
The ravens would beat us with the head to head, anyways and it wouldn’t get to common opponent. The steelers would be the same way.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2009 8:56 PM MST up reply actions
No worries...
It is VERY CONFUSING the way they leave that up on those sites. Since the playoffs will never start today, why even have that there, especially this late in the season.
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True. I wish they'd put some explanations on those pages, too.
That’s the one problem I have with those sites. Its cool if they put “if the playoffs started today” pages up there, as long as they provide some explanation about why certain clinching scenarios are what they are. As a casual fan, it’s fine to just show what needs to happen, but hard-core fans want to know why.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2009 9:31 PM MST up reply actions
i have a question. i dont think im 100% yet. In step 1 of 3 way wc tiebreaker, when they say eliminate one of the 2 division teams, does that mean that the winning division team gets the #5 spot.
what happens to the “eliminated” diision team?
by Calibroncoboy on Dec 27, 2009 9:34 PM MST up reply actions
Each Seed handled seperately..
So, first, at the #5 Seed, if there are 3 teams and 2 of them are from the same division, you handle the divisional teams first, then the out of division Tie-Breakers. Eliminate doesn’t mean from playoff consideration, just from that seed.
That is the issue with any THREE-WAY TIE with the Broncos, Ravens and Steelers for #5 and #6 Seed. Broncos lose H2H with each, so they lose TieBreaker on both seeds to those teams.
Now, if there is a 4th team – say Houston – H2H goes out the window and conference record comes into play. That is why the Broncos would be in if it came down to PIT/DEN/HOU for the #6 seed.
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OK, I think I've got this figgered out.
Here’s the 5 vital games:
Den vs. KC
Bal. vs. Oak
Cin vs. NYJ
Hou vs. NE
Pit vs Miami
Let’s assume Denver, Baltimore, Cincy, NE and Pitt all win. Denver is out.
That leaves a ton of scenarios, but here’s the easiest:
1) DENVER WINS
—AND—
2)Houston WIN over New England
this puts us in
1) Denver wins
—AND—
2)Miami win over Pittsburgh
this also puts us in….
1) Denver win
—AND—
2) Oakland win over Baltimore
If the Jets win, we are out, no other way about it. Basically, the only way Baltimore DOESNT make it in, even if they win, is if Miami beats the Steelers.
Easy enough?
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you mean why does Miami affect Baltimore
and I have no idea, but in the playoff scenario generator, if Baltimore wins and Miami beats the Steelers, then we are the 6th seed.
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Miami plays Pitt next week.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2009 8:57 PM MST up reply actions
BAL is in with a win as well
Please…My scenario is right.
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I just checked the generator
if Baltimore wins, but Miami knocks out Pitt, then we’re 6 and Balt is 5. I never said Baltimore was OUT if the Dolphins win, I just said we are in…
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
These are the two 'Easy' Scenarios...
Scenario A -
1. Broncos WIN and…..
2. Losses from 2 of the following 3 teams – BAL, PIT. NYJ
Scenario B -
1. Broncos WIN and….
2. Loss from 1 of the following teams – BAL, NYJ
3. NE loss to HOU at home.
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Right. Got it. Done.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2009 9:01 PM MST up reply actions
john was my original post ultimatly correct?
by Calibroncoboy on Dec 27, 2009 9:03 PM MST up reply actions
I think it is..
Didn’t look fully, but I believe it was.
That was the reason I only licked to yours…
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You licked his post?
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Linked I think!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
MHR radio tonight?
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
Luther Vandross Surmises My Feelings About the Broncos
I’d rather have bad times with the Broncos than good times with someone else. I’m confident things will work out.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 27, 2009 8:56 PM MST reply actions
order of games
Ugh. Overall, we have to hope for either Oakland to beat Baltimore (what??), or Cincinnati to beat the Jets for the final game at the Meadowlands. And preferably both.
We’ll know if it’s “either” or “both” by kickoff due to the early games (if Houston beats New England or Miami beats Pittsburgh, it’s “either”. But if NE and PIT win, it’s “both”).
But no matter how you slice it, it seems like an uphill battle.
haha, Agreed.
I usually like when Guru/Calibroncoboy are right, but not this time. It stings of truth.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2009 9:04 PM MST up reply actions
Sleep on it and let the professionals figure all of this out !No offense to anyone here that tried to figure this mess out
by broncosfaninphilly on Dec 27, 2009 9:03 PM MST reply actions
None taken...
The hard part is when ties gets invovled – Wins and Losses…That’s easy!
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None taken. This is why I don't do fanposts very often. I'm usually wrong. lol
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2009 9:05 PM MST up reply actions
Screw it. As long as we thrash KC within an inch of their lives, I don't care.
Let the chips fall where they may. I just want to end this season with a win.
Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal.
by MrFNSunshine on Dec 27, 2009 9:05 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Amen. I like that. We can't control it anymore, so just go kill the chiefs and it is what it is.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2009 9:07 PM MST up reply actions
Another playoff scenario!
The Broncos are also in IF
they beat KC
AND
the Ravens get the black plague and die before the game next week
OR
the Jets’ locker room is stomped on by a rampaging Godzilla
OR
Pittsburgh and/or NE are taken to a screening of Avatar, miscalculate how long it is and then miss their team bus.
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by underdog on Dec 27, 2009 9:08 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
This really sucks for you guys. There is no way you are getting into the playoffs.
Jets game is going to be a blowout, and the Raiders don’t stand a chance against Bal. You have a lot to look forward to, but you can’t start 6-0 and then expect everything to come together by itself.
Way to harsh our mellow.....
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2009 9:34 PM MST up reply actions
i have a question. i dont think im 100% yet. In step 1 of 3 way wc tiebreaker, when they say eliminate one of the 2 division teams, does that mean that the winning division team gets the #5 spot. what happens to the "eliminated" diision team?
by Calibroncoboy on Dec 27, 2009 9:38 PM MST up reply actions
Each Seed handled seperately..
So, first, at the #5 Seed, if there are 3 teams and 2 of them are from the same division, you handle the divisional teams first, then the out of division Tie-Breakers. Eliminate doesn’t mean from playoff consideration, just from that seed.
That is the issue with any THREE-WAY TIE with the Broncos, Ravens and Steelers for #5 and #6 Seed. Broncos lose H2H with each, so they lose TieBreaker on both seeds to those teams.
Now, if there is a 4th team – say Houston – H2H goes out the window and conference record comes into play. That is why the Broncos would be in if it came down to PIT/DEN/HOU for the #6 seed.
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Well Friends
I’m out. Keep the faith. Let’s do what we can and go from there.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Dec 27, 2009 9:30 PM MST reply actions
Next Sunday anything can happen. I am hoping to be happy at the end of the day.
The Colts took Manning out of the game for the 2nd half. The Jets got a freeby. I hope they get pasted by CIN
More playoff explanation/corroboration from the Denver Post
The Broncos make the playoffs if …
According to the NFL, the Broncos will earn a wild-card playoff spot if they beat Kansas City next week in Denver and either the N.Y. Jets or Baltimore lose. The end.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
But
Do the bengals have any reason to play their starters against the jets? Is it true that the jets might get two free wins into the playoffs?
They might. The Patriots and Bengals are still fighting for the 3rd and 4th seeds.
They aren’t locked into their seeds, yet. However, once the Pats game is decided, the Bengals will know whether or not they need to keep the pedal to the metal. The jets may end up getting 2 free wins at the end of the season if things play out just right.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 27, 2009 11:25 PM MST up reply actions
Though
If im the Bengals do I want to give the team im playing a free win to possibly see them a week later in the playoffs. Sounds like a recipe to get burnt
by BroncosCanada on Dec 27, 2009 11:29 PM MST up reply actions
Oh geez. Your comment just gave me flashbacks to 2003.
Remember when we played Indy in week 17 and they handed us the game? Since we had to play hard to get in, the colts saw our hand and held theirs close to the chest. The next week, they came out and destroyed us.
This is very similar to that situation.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.
by Troy Hufford on Dec 28, 2009 8:32 AM MST up reply actions
Vic Carucci Report on Playoff Scenarios
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8154f05f&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true He doesn’t exactly state for sure the broncos only need the jets or ravens to lose. I was under the impression the steelers played a factor.
The Steelers are a factor...
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Perhaps
It may be best just to win the superbowl next year.
Annoyed
By flexing the Bengals-Jets game, the Bengals may have nothing to play for if New England wins at Houston in the 1 p.m. EST slot. Had the Bengals-Jets game not been flexed, the Bengals would have been playing at the same time as the Patriots with the third seed on the line.
The Dallas-Philadelphia matchup is a much more intriguing game in my opinion and should have been flexed. I realize Dallas played Philadelphia on Sunday Night Football earlier this year and that they played on SNF this Sunday. I also understand the whole swan song for the last game at Giants Stadium, but flexing that game could prove costly. That said, Denver should have never let it come down to relying on what other teams do or don’t do in the final week of the season. Here’s to hoping for the best possible outcome in Week 17 for the Broncos.
Hows this
Jets win they are in rank (1)
Baltimore wins they are in rank (2)
Houston win Denver (3) Houston (4)
New England win Pittsburgh (3) Denver (4)
If 1 or 2 lose go to 3
If both 1 and 2 loses go to 3 and 4
If 3 teams lose then obviously the other 2 are in.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
From the CalTech math department
er, NFL.com
Denver makes the playoffs if:
1) DEN win + NYJ loss or tie + BAL loss or tie
2) DEN win + NYJ loss or tie + PIT loss or tie
3) DEN win + NYJ loss or tie + HOU win
4) DEN win + BAL loss or tie + PIT loss or tie
5) DEN win + BAL loss or tie + HOU win
6) PIT loss + BAL loss + HOU loss + JAC loss
7) PIT loss + BAL loss + HOU loss + NYJ loss
8.) PIT loss + BAL loss + JAC loss + NYJ loss
9) PIT loss + HOU loss + JAC loss + NYJ loss
10) MIA loss or tie + NYJ loss + BAL loss + HOU loss + JAC loss or tie
This is starting to look like the math equation on the board in A Serious Man.
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