If the NFL had a BCS system..
by Welcome2DumerVille on Dec 3, 2009 11:33 PM MST
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This might have been done before, and if it has, I apologize, as I am sorta new here. All I am wondering is if you had to fill the Sugar Bowl, Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, and BCS national championship game with NFL teams who would fit in there. The Colts and Saints are probably the consensus teams for the BCS national championship, but maybe some of you have arguments that strength of schedule and such gives another team an edge and the Colts and Saints (really?) dont deserve to be there. Where do the Broncos fit in here? Just as college football enthusiasts love to analyze the "what if there were playoff' situations, lets do the vice versa here.
As always, go broncos.
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Not really a college football fan
and I wouldn’t want the NFL to be a BCS system. Championship games are determined on the field and not by some math equation.
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I agree with weazel, but,
if I was to chose, I think the Denver Broncos are a lot like the Boise St Broncos as far as getting any respect. But on the other hand Boise doesn’t play enough BCS bowl teams to qualify. We will never get the respect and we have to make our own. The msm will never repect us as long as we can’t win games that are close against tough teams. i e, Pittsburg and Baltimore.
I'm so glad that there is no BCS in the NFL!
The BCS is terrible. I’m also glad that I don’t have to worry about where the broncos would be in the BCS.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Does not really apply... NFL teams do not choose who to play
If it were BCS here, Broncos (and any other team) would be able to pick their own non-divisional schedule – and strength of schedule would not really matter. We’ll be playing lots of Rams and Lions year in and year out.
Creative thought
Since this if for fun, I would want to see the Broncos play the Vikings in the Rose Bowl. The weather is nice and I’d love to beat Favre!
"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Unknown, Hanlon's Razor
I am a fan of College Football. I do like the BCS.
They do prove it on the field. The College Football Playoffs start every September. I’m not saying the BCS is not flawed. It IS flawed. But, it makes every game sooo important. Basically, you have to win every game to win the National Title. It doesn’t happen that way every year I know, but it’s happening that way this year.
That said, I would be in favor of a SMALL playoff in the college game. None of this 16 teams crap or even 8 teams. I would say 4 at the most. I think everyone would agree the 3 best teams are Florida, Bama, and Texas. I would really like to see what TCU could do if they not only played one of these teams, but played the schedule these teams played. And that goes for Boise St. as well. They are not putting up the numbers or the records every year playing in the SEC.
All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.
Cotton McKnight: I'm being told that Average Joe's does not have enough players and will be forfeiting the championship match.
Pepper Brooks: It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
Honestly, I would be in favor of a bigger playoff, rather than all the meaningless bowl games every day for a month.
Just because Boise St. or TCU don’t have incredible numbers and beat every team by 87 points per game, that doesn’t mean they should have less of a right to represent themselves at the National Championship game.
The reason it isn’t changed is because of the Bowl game money, which is wrong. It is unfair to schools that go undefeated and then don’t even have a chance at a national title game. If there was a playoff game, then the best teams would play in the national championship game, instead of the “statistically best matchup” playing in the national championship game.
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I disagree
What is unfair is that TCU goes undefeated playing a lesser competitive schedule than Florida or Bama or Texas. There is no way that TCU or Boise goes undefeated playing in the SEC. And a playoff doesn’t guarantee that the best teams play each other. Utah beat Bama last year in a bowl game. Utah was simply the better team that day. Bama wins that game 9 out of 10 times.
You are right about the bowl games not going away. The amount of money paid out is way too large. I wouldn’t say it is wrong though. Football is king, college and pro. It pays the most money. And if your school can do well enough to earn a BCS Bowl bid, OH BABY what a payout. And it isn’t just the football program that benefits. The whole school benefits. I, as a Va. Tech fan, want that ACC Championship every year simply because of the huge payout being in a BCS Bowl. Especially if you win the BCS Bowl!
All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.
Cotton McKnight: I'm being told that Average Joe's does not have enough players and will be forfeiting the championship match.
Pepper Brooks: It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
Florida schedule
Charleston Southern
Troy
Tennessee
at Kentucky
at (4) LSU
Arkansas
at Mississippi State
Georgia
Vanderbilt
at South Carolina
FIU
Florida State
The only good team on there is LSU. Georgia is OK, but just OK. And don’t tell me the SEC is good because it’s the SEC. Utah dismantled Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, what makes you think they would only win 1/10? Besides, that’s the whole point of the playoff is to make a team string several wins in a row to win the championship. If a playoff is faulty because even a crappy team can win one of the games, then the BCS system of each team playing one game maximizes that fault.
Take the schedules of the following conferences (SEC, Big 12, ACC, Big East, Pac 10, Big 10, MWC) last year and the MWC had the best record against the others conferences in that list than any of the others did.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Dec 4, 2009 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
Really??? Come on
I was going to list TCU’s schedule but I’m too lazy. I’m not saying they don’t have a good team. They obviously do. They had some really nice wins on that schedule. At Clemson and BYU are nice wins. But you can’t look at that schedule and compare it to a gauntlet SEC schedule. LSU is not the only good team on Florida’s schedule. Georgia actually is way down this year. Tenn is good, Miss St. pretty good. SCU is pretty good. I mean, come on. We are not talking apples to apples here. Let’s change conferences here. Forget the SEC. They aren’t even the best conference this year…
The Pac 10. Do you really think TCU would be undefeated if they played Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, and Cal??? Oh yeah. One other team in that conference having a BAD year with 3 losses – Southern Cal.
Come on willy. Those guys are not in the same league. It’s a nice story and they have had a fantastic year. I can totally see them beating whoever they play in their bowl game. But I’m willing to bet they won’t be in this position next year. And, if they played in the SEC or Pac 10 every year, they would have 3 to 4 losses every year if not more.
All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.
Cotton McKnight: I'm being told that Average Joe's does not have enough players and will be forfeiting the championship match.
Pepper Brooks: It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
Isn't the "league" the Division 1 NCAA? They are in the same league.
That’s a nice arguement about TCU’s schedule. They didn’t play Oregon, but Boise State beat Oregon. Remember the punch during postgame? That was after the Broncos beat the Ducks. However, the Broncos aren’t even ranked above TCU. So, according to the BCS, TCU is better than the Boise St. Broncos who beat the Oregon Ducks.
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And they shouldn't be ranked higher
I’m not saying Boise and TCU aren’t good. They are good. They are really good. Utah was good last year when they beat Bama. All I’m saying is that if Boise or TCU or Utah were in the SEC or Pac 10 (as a Va. Tech fan I wish I could say ACC but the conference is just dreadful this year), they would definitely NOT be in the National Championship argument every year. That’s why they are not ranked higher. Yes they beat Oregon. Nice win. They played absolutely no one after that.
And yes they are all in the same Division 1 NCAA “league”. Let me put it another way. The Denver Broncos and oakland raiders are in the same “league”.
All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.
Cotton McKnight: I'm being told that Average Joe's does not have enough players and will be forfeiting the championship match.
Pepper Brooks: It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
I didn't bother to read much besides skim...
…and if you’re bothered by that, oh well.
I challenge your presumption that the BCS conferences are ridiculously more competitive than the mid-majors (especially the MWC). It’s alright, I’ll give you time to get over the shock that I’m challenging a presumption taken as fact despite the other indications.
Let’s look at the Conventional Wisdom (about as accurate as the Newsweek feature of the same name):
SEC is the absolute most physical, fastest conference. All others bow to it.
Now let’s look at the MWC vs. the SEC:
Taken from the Mountain West Connection (SB Nation Blog):
Recently I had the pleasure of examining the claim that the SEC is vastly superior to the MWC. I chose to examine all game between the current members of the MWC and SEC this century.
The results ended in a tie with a record of 7-7. In games decided by more than seven points the MWC leads 5-3, and also lead 2-0 in bowl games. Five games were at MWC venues, seven at SEC venues. Whether the other two were on neutral fields would depend on if Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and UNLV in the Las Vegas Bowl are considered neutral fields.
If the SEC’s 3-0 record in 2000 is relegated to the past, then the MWC leads the series 6-5 and 4-2 in games decided by more than a TD, despite a 4-6 home-away ratio. If one also takes away TCU’s games while they were in C-USA the series is tied 5-5 with the MWC leading 3-2 in games decided by more than a TD, despite a 3-6 home-away ratio.
Please enlighten yourself, you’ve been clouded by the money the BCS conferences have been able to use to strengthen their stranglehold.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
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^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
Just curious...
Who are these MWC teams playing. If they are consistently beating Florida, LSU, Alabama, and Georgia, then I will eat crow. I will eat crow with John Clayton style mustard.
All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.
Cotton McKnight: I'm being told that Average Joe's does not have enough players and will be forfeiting the championship match.
Pepper Brooks: It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
they are playing the glorious SEC
Lets see, since 2002: Utah destroyed Alabama in Sugar Bowl (pretty much at home for Alabama) last year. In ’06 Air Force lost 31-30 at Tennessee. UNLV lost at Tennessee 42-17 in 2004. Wyoming won at Tennessee 13-7 in 2008, and in 2005 lost at Florida 32-14 but beat Mississippi 24-14 (once again, at Miss). In 2004 they also played Mississippi for once at home, beating them 37-32. In 2002 an atrocious Wyoming visited Tennessee and got pounded 47-7. In 2003 TCU beat Vanderbilt at home 30-14. So for 2002 until present I have nine games, MWC 5, SEC 4, with six games at SEC, two at MWC, and one (technically) neutral site.
Note that five of these were against Wyoming, a team I would rank probably sixth in the MWC in the last eight years, yet they put up a good 3-2 record.
LSU and Georgia haven’t played a MWC conference team in at least eight years, Florida beat one the MWC middle-of-the-pack teams (Wyo) and Alabama got beat by Utah. The whole problem is that the top of the MWC and Boise State consistently get the shaft and aren’t allowed to play the best teams in the country, even though they have shown to be more than competitive when they get that chance.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
Just click on the link at the top of the quote...
…and then enjoy that crow. But I would say that you should eat crow regardless of whether ‘bama sucks it hard—you were making the case that merely playing in those conferences was ridiculously hard. Thus the body of work of the entire conference is what matters, not those teams you perceive to be its ’elite’.
Here’s a hint: every conference is ridiculously competitive in conference play. It really doesn’t matter which conference you’re playing in, if you go undefeated overall AND your non-conference games weren’t against cupcakes (that would eliminate the entirety of the BCS-conference teams) then you belong in the national championship picture, if not #1.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
I don't see where I should be eating crow.
Absolutely every division is competitive. But let’s be rational here. The level of competition in the SEC, Pac 10, Big 10, ACC, etc. is at a higher level. Hence the BCS conference determination. Do you guys really think that since the MWC has a team go undefeated that they have the same level of players? Do you really think if Boise or TCU had Florida, LSU, USC, Oregon, Ohio State, Texas, etc. on the schedule every year they would be going undefeated every year? Come on!!! Appalachain State beat Michigan a couple years ago. It doesn’t mean they have better players overall. I’m sorry you feel the MWC is being dissed but there is a reason behind it. They do not have the same level of talent.
All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.
Cotton McKnight: I'm being told that Average Joe's does not have enough players and will be forfeiting the championship match.
Pepper Brooks: It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.
The BCS is flawed
I agree, but I like the system, what bothers me is a team like TCU, or Cincinnatti aren’t ranked number 1 or 2 because they have not been consistent contenders for several years. The Media and the coaches votes are 2/3 of the formula and unfortunately its hard to vote for an undefeated team like these 2 when other teams like Texas, Alabama, and Flordia are also undefeated and have been consistent contenders. Sadly, If Texas gets upset, TCU will prolly get jumped by cincinnatti anyway if they win convincingly this week because they are playing a ranked team, meaning the title game would likely be the inner of Florida/alabama vs. Cincinnatti. Thats what I see happening, either way the system is unfair because what more could any of these teams done? Undefeated isn’t good enough for these smaller programs. The computer rankings had CIN at 3 last week, but they were dragged down by the other polls. I believe that the decision if the BCS stays intact should be solely based on teh computers, as people can be influenced too easily.
BTW I am an Ohio State fan, so not rootin for the bearcats at all, just think regardless how the season ends someones team is going to get screwed.
Begin Rant
Saying that TCU or Boise cannot go undefeated in the SEC is the same kind of thinkng the MSM had when talking about the Broncos this offseason. People have the pre-determined opinion that these smaller schools will never have a chance against the powerhouse schools, so no matter what happens they still think that way. It takes years and years of good smaller schools playing well against bigger schools to start to change the major opinion (i.e. Boise over Oklahoma, Utah over Alabama, George Mason making it to the final four in basketball). But one mistake and you are back to square one.
I am 1.21 jigga-percent against the BCS!!! It is the only place in football where there is not a playoff. Saying that the playoff starts in September is the biggest crock of BCS I have ever heard. Try telling that to Boise, TCU, Cincinatti and even SEC teams like Auburn a couple years back.
Imagine taking all the conference champions and a handful of at-large teams and putting them in a 16-team playoff. The NCAA basketball tournament is awesome, and I think this would be better than that! I love the rivalries, students, bands, and environment of college football, but absolutely HATE IT because there is no playoff!!!!
All this because of a group of money hungry people that care more about themselves than the thousands of college athletes and millions of fans. I think they would actually make more money by having a playoff. Tons of TV and stadium revenue!! Who actually wants to watch the 6th place Big 10 team play the 7th place ACC team??!!
End Rant
by DieselDan on Dec 4, 2009 2:16 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The BCS SUCKS
Exhibit A: the Broncos get no respect from the MSM. Our response: Screw em, we get to prove it on the field. As a Utahn, I’ve watched the Utah Utes, Boise State Broncos and others get JAMMED unfairly because they’re deprived of this opportunity. In college football, nothing is ever proven and student athletes who excel are left out for stupid, arbitrary reasons. Give me playoffs any day and twice on Sundays!
Brad James
I agree with others in this post
I hate the BCS system and wish there was a way to incorporate a playoff system. However, to answer your question, in my opinion if the NFL had a BCS scoring system I believe the Broncos with a 9-11 win season and playing in a relatively weak division would probably match up with say the Titans, Giants, Houston etc… In the
McDonaldsPapaJohnsWhoGive’saDamn.com Bowl.
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by Idaho Nate on Dec 4, 2009 11:16 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
I am pretty much in agreement with the majority here
The BCS “system” is a joke. If the SEC etc teams.. are so much better than a MWC team etc.. as everyone in support of it claims then they should have no problem handing them their a** every year in a playoff system.
you mean Bama :p
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
HA!
All playoffs do is devalue the regular season and reward teams that are hot and/or healthy at the right time. Take the 2007 New York Giants, who beat three teams in the playoffs on the way to their championship that had already beaten them by at least similar margins! As for all this talk of TCU being jobbed, why don’t you all take a cue from the Horned Frogs head coach who recently stated that he is opposed to a playoff system.
NFL Championship Game – Indianapolis Colts v. New Orleans Saints
NFL Rose Bowl – Minnesota Vikings v. San Diego Chargers
NFL Fiesta Bowl – Dallas Cowboys v. Denver Broncos
NFL Sugar Bowl – Cincinnati Bengals v. Green Bay Packers
NFL Orange Bowl – Philadelphia Eagles v. New England Patriots
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
"reward teams that are hot"
I would call that rewarding teams that are clutch. But that’s just me, I guess. Better that than teams scheduling as much cupcake games as humanly possible because one loss equals death.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
I think the BcS is just that
Welcome to college football where a team (Texas .890) has a worse strength of schedule than another team (Cincinnati .900) and is ranked 2 spots higher in the poll. And where a team with an undefeated year vs. some relatively tough competition (Boise) may not make a BcS bowl. I don’t care what ‘league’ you are in, to go undefeated during the year is tough. If Boise State is not the 6th best team in the country, then why are they there. If they are, then let them play the “big” boys. If not, they why poll them in the top 10. In addition, tell me who is going to the Rose bowl? 2 loss Oregon vs. 2 loss Ohio St. ? Just because they are in the “conferences” that play in the bowl….what a joke. What ever happened to best teams play? You could argue that Oregon is playing their best football right now and I would not disagree, but to punish a Boise State or another NON BcS team because they are not part of the “club” is CRAP.
My solution:
16 team 1-A playoff – 11 conference winners (you must win your conference to enter) and 5 at large bids, this would allow the SEC bandwagon to get their WHOLE conference into the tournament if they can handle it (right now any conference can only have 2 max teams in the BcS bowls). The bowls would be the playoff games, Rose and Orange for semi finals, Sugar, Gmac, Cotton, Fiesta for quarters, ect. By doing this, there is a definite National champion, and the bowl $$ are satisfied with the ‘exclusive’ coverage, plus it can expand by including more high $$ bowls. This would also prevent the dreaded “any one game” crap the nay-sayers keep bringing up from the Boise vs. OK Fiesta game. My rant is over.
wow, why so much hate???
The system is really as good as it can possibly be. I mean, look, everyone on every staff and team has to undergo a preliminary test, written test, viva-voce, final result publication, medical test, criminal record search, and a lengthy appointment process. That’s a lot of personal investment to make the strongest candidates are found for every position. We’re talking about an entire infrastructure that depends on these people. I admit I don’t quite see how the Denver Broncos are pertinent here, but dang it guys I just can’t believe so many of you are harshing on the Bangalesh Civil Service like this!!
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Dec 5, 2009 9:52 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
rofl
was wondering where you were going and then you sprung that trap at the end. +1
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
lol
That’s Bozeman for ya. We’re a little nutty down here. ; )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Dec 6, 2009 12:20 AM MST up reply actions
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