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The Dude Abides...The Stats That Don't Lie, Week 16

"Are you here to tell me what a bad statoogoolizer I am?"

--Derek Zoolander

 

In the NFL, I'm pretty sure there's more to life than being really, really ridiculously good-looking.  Week 16 proved this if nothing else.   Two teams were caught staring at their reflections for too long (New Orleans and Minnesota). Another team was tragically lost to the playoffs in a freak-gasoline-fight accident (Giants).    And the Oakland Raiders were back to normal, showing us all why they are still reserving spots in the Derek Zoolander Center-For-Kids-Who-Can't-Read-Good-And-Wanna-Learn-To-Do-Other-Stuff-Good-Too.  In other words, don't expect any playoff help from the Silver-and-Black next week.

For your Denver Broncos, their penalty issues have been a bad wardrobe problem for weeks, and it finally got them on the worst-dressed list.

Welcome to another edition of the Stats That Don't Lie, your weekly catwalk of stats.  These are the stats that realize a male model's life is a precious, precious commodity. They are your statistical hair gel in a world of bad hair.  As always they are Turnovers, Field Position, Time of Possession, and  3rd-Down Efficiency.

This week, as you've probably surmised, we're going to put the spotlight on penalties--and the movie Zoolander, perhaps the finest movie ever made (actually, the only one) about the cutthroat world of high-fashion-male modeling.

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Penalties--Vain, Stupid, and Incredibly Self-Centered

A lot of Bronco fans have been saying that the officiating cost the Broncos the game against the Eagles. This is quite a subjective statement, for it assumes three things:

1) Most of the calls were bad or completely wrong

2) Most of the calls were one-sided against the Broncos

3) The calls could not be overcome and were decisive in the outcome

As a stats guy, I have a hard time with these kinds of subjective determinations, so for the purposes of my discussion about penalties, I will assume that all of the penalties in the game really were penalties (including those that worked in Denver's favor).  This will help us bring a tad more objectivity as we look at how penalties affected the game (and the Broncos' season).

First, however, let's look at how the Broncos have trended lately with regard to penalties in general.  For the season, the Broncos average 5.9 penalties and 50.1 penalty yards per game.  This puts them in the middle of the pack statistically.  Yet during the last 3 weeks, these numbers have dramatically increased to 7.7 penalties per game (4th worst) and 77.3 penalty yards per game (2nd worst).  To make things even more grim during this 3-week stretch, on average, they have been allowing opponents 3 first downs via penalty per game.  This puts them at worst in the league in this category.  They allowed 4 such first downs in the game against the Eagles.


Penalties & Points - I have an after-funeral party to attend

Penalties, over the long run, are moderately correlated to team wins, but the correlation is negative.    This makes sense intuitively, of course.   The more penalties you have, the harder winning becomes.  In the off season, I plan to run some correlation coefficients on 10 years of penalty data, but for now, we'll trust Brian Burke over at Advanced NFL Stats, who has run some penalty correlations for the NFL seasons of 2003-2006.  The correlation between team wins and penalties is somewhere in the range of minus-0.18 to minus-0.31.  Thus, penalties are on par with sacks in accounting for the variance in team wins. So they do have real value. 

Another way of looking at penalties is to run a multi-variable regression against a team's point differential using a variety of independent variable s, including penalty-yards differential (my opponent's penalty yards subtracted from my team's penalty yards).  This is exactly what Wayne Winston did in his excellent book, Mathletics, for the 2003-2006 seasons.  His finding?  That each yard of penalty differential is worth about 0.06 points.

We can now apply this to the game against the Eagles.  Denver had 95 penalty yards in the game; the Eagles had 59. That's a difference of 36 yards, or 2.16 points (36 x 0.06).   Does this mean that the penalties actually caused the Eagles to score 2 more points than the Broncos?  Certainly not.   We have to be careful in asserting this.  However, it would suggest that the difference in penalties in this game was certainly a contributing factor in the margin of victory.  

So for all of you that want to scream at the refs, you've got your ammunition.  They lost by 3 points; the penalties might have cost them a little over 2 points.  Again, this assumes that some of the penalties really weren't penalties after all.  

My main reason for bringing this to light, however is to point out how sloppy play (as defined by penalty yards) is really hurting the Broncos--specifically in the last three weeks.  Penalties mean something...if the differential between your penalty yards and that of your opponent's are great enough.

Over the entire year, though, penalties have tended to even out.  Here are the penalty yards for-and-against in the 15 games Denver has played, along with their respective potential points:

BroncosOpponentDifferential - YardsPotential Points
CIN 39 27 12 0.72
CLE 50 43 7 0.42
OAK 30 53 -23 -1.38
DAL 81 70 11 0.66
NE 20 46 -26 -1.56
SD 48 44 4 0.24
BAL 35 94 -59 -3.54
PIT 25 28 -3 -0.18
WAS 45 19 26 1.56
SD 65 15 50 3
NYG 61 45 16 0.96
KC 20 25 -5 -0.3
IND 65 20 45 2.7
OAK 67 62 5 0.3
PHI 95 59 36 2.16
Total 746 650 96 5.76

 

The final column on the right is the actual estimated points that penalties have cost Denver over the course of the season.  So what has been the cost of all of the bone-headed mistakes?  A whopping 5.76 points, or two field goals.  

When we get down to it, one could really only make a legitimate claim that penalties influenced the outcome of three Broncos games: Washington, Indianapolis, and Philadelphia.   And because Washington and Indianpolis beat Denver by much more than these point margins,  the Philly game remains the only real suspect. So let's not get carried away and claim the referees have had it out for Denver from Week One.  I'll give you the Eagles game, perhaps, and only because it amuses me to watch people handle pitchforks with their bare hands.  But the entire season?  No. 

Just be glad you are not a fan of the Baltimore Ravens, because you might have a legitimate gripe about the referees. Their penalty-yards differential for the year is 356 yards against.  This translates to 20.76 points, or almost 3 full touchdowns. I counted no less than three Ravens games (Cincinnati, Minnesota, and Pittsburgh) in which the points could have had a real influence on the outcome.   This doesn't mean the referees hated Ray Lewis.  It could actually mean that the Ravens legitimately commit a lot more turnovers than their opponents.  Either way, penalties have been a factor in several of their games.  

Before we leave the penalty issue, perhaps you've asked yourself if the Colts--due to Peyton Manning's golden-boy image--get all of the calls to go their way.  While we can't answer this for sure (beside the Christmas-card exchange program Manning has with the referee's union), we can certainly determine if penalties have helped influence all of that winning the Colts have experienced this year.   The penalty-yards differential for the Colts this year is 318, which translates into 19.08 points in their favor.  

They are essentially the opposite of the Ravens.  I counted 4 games (Jacksonville, New England, and  Houston twice) in which their penalty-yards differential could have had a real outcome on the final score.  I'll leave it to you to decide whether Manning gets all of the calls or not.  You can imagine where Gary Kubiak stands on the subject, however.


Team Rankings

TEAMTOsRankTO MarginRankField PositionRankTOPRank3rd DownRank
GB 1.00 1 1.47 1 32.92 1 32:45:08 1 45.29% 5
SD 1.00 1 0.64 5 30.26 15 30:15:47 15 44.02% 6
MIN 1.20 3 0.40 9 32.58 2 32:35:08 2 45.91% 4
DAL 1.20 3 0.13 15 27.45 29 31:44:04 29 39.48% 13
NE 1.33 5 0.47 8 30.40 12 33:24:36 12 43.62% 7
DEN 1.33 5 0.53 6 29.68 18 30:00:12 18 34.45% 24
IND 1.47 7 0.27 11 28.29 25 28:00:56 25 49.38% 1
CIN 1.47 7 0.20 13 30.16 16 34:04:12 16 42.97% 9
ATL 1.47 7 0.27 11 30.66 11 29:31:36 11 41.30% 11
BAL 1.47 7 0.53 6 31.95 4 29:40:44 4 39.97% 12
PHI 1.47 7 1.00 3 30.83 9 28:30:24 9 37.42% 18
SF 1.47 7 1.07 2 29.20 20 29:20:16 20 29.46% 29
NO 1.60 13 0.87 4 31.43 6 31:45:00 6 46.41% 3
JAX 1.60 13 -0.13 17 28.37 24 31:08:56 24 42.63% 10
PIT 1.60 13 -0.33 22 29.01 21 32:54:28 21 39.07% 15
WAS 1.67 16 -0.73 28 28.27 26 29:01:56 26 37.87% 17
KC 1.67 16 0.07 16 29.48 19 28:24:36 19 26.40% 32
MIA 1.73 18 -0.47 25 28.45 23 32:17:40 23 47.30% 2
HOU 1.80 19 -0.13 17 30.02 17 31:20:28 17 39.24% 14
BUF 1.87 20 0.33 10 30.87 8 28:02:00 8 27.69% 31
NYG 1.93 21 -0.33 22 30.74 10 32:13:44 10 43.30% 8
TEN 1.93 21 -0.13 17 27.32 30 28:27:04 30 39.00% 16
NYJ 2.00 23 -0.13 17 31.64 5 31:25:36 5 36.27% 20
SEA 2.00 23 -0.60 26 27.87 27 27:30:12 27 32.31% 26
CLE 2.00 23 -0.80 30 31.32 7 28:38:20 7 31.21% 28
CAR 2.07 26 0.20 13 28.48 22 30:08:24 22 37.07% 19
OAK 2.07 26 -0.73 28 27.24 31 28:02:00 31 28.64% 30
TB 2.13 28 -0.31 21 30.26 14 28:57:26 14 32.25% 27
ARZ 2.20 29 -0.33 22 30.33 13 30:24:52 13 35.23% 22
STL 2.20 29 -1.00 31 27.87 28 29:19:48 28 34.35% 25
CHI 2.27 31 -0.67 27 32.05 3 28:34:28 3 35.57% 21
DET 2.60 32 -1.07 32 26.62 32 28:45:52 32 34.72% 23


Last week I wrote a thesis about the Broncos' woes on third downs (complete with data), but if you want the summary points, here they are:

1) Denver continues to act like they are break-dance fighting on 3rd down, hovering between 34%-35%.

2) Next year, they will be over 40% on third downs as they continue getting used to the "Erhardt-Perkins" offense (just like the Pats did in their second year, going from 35% to 41%).

3) They will improve on 3rd downs next year because they fit the Football Outsider's profile of a team that is good on 1st and 2nd downs, but bad on 3rd downs.  

4) It's the offensive line which has been the issue, not any specific running back.  This means Peyton Hillis is not Hansel.

Everything I wrote last week about 3rd downs remains true this week.  Even if the Broncos make the playoffs, I've come to terms with the fact that it won't be until next year that this team has a drastic improvement on 3rd downs.

With respect to the other four statistical categories, it's more of the same.  First, Denver's average number of giveaways and turnover margin per game continue to be the strong point with this team (Translation: they have a conservative offense and an opportunistic defense).  Second, since the Broncos have been behind in many games since the bye, their time-of-possession statistic has eroded. That's because they continue to have to pass the ball in the 2nd half in order to come back.  This causes them to abandon the running game.  Third, Denver has made a few small strides in improving their field-position stat.  They are now nearly at the league average of the 29.94-yard line.  We will return to field position shortly in discussing Denver's game against Philadelphia.

I'd like to again point out a team that I think no one wants to face in the playoffs, and it's not the Cowboys.   It's the Packers.  They are 1st in turnover margin, 1st in field position, 1st in time of possession, and 5th in 3rd-down efficiency.    If you need further proof, check out this list of Top-10 teams by scoring ratio (points for/points against), which is about the best predictor of wins that you can find:

  1. New England: 1.59
  2. New Orleans: 1.57
  3. Baltimore: 1.49
  4. Indianapolis: 1.476
  5. Green Bay: 1.475
  6. San Diego: 1.43
  7. Minnesota: 1.39
  8. Philadelphia: 1.37
  9. Dallas: 1.34
  10. New York Jets: 1.31

The Packers are virtually deadlocked with the Colts in scoring ratio, scoring 1.47 points for every point they give up. They are also ahead of division leaders like San Diego, Minnesota, and Philadelphia.  Do not be shocked if they do serious damage in the playoffs.  With the the way the Saints have struggled recently, the Packers could represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.

Surprised to see the Patriots and Ravens so high on this list?  I wouldn't be.  With the Patriots, even when their record wasn't as good as it is now, they were generally in the top ten in all four of the statistical categories. And Baltimore has just been a little snakebitten, as we've seen with their penalties.  At the end of the season, I'll be doing a piece on "luck" in the NFL.  And the Ravens are sure to be on that list of "unlucky" teams.  Still, if the Ravens get into the playoffs, they could do some damage.  Everyone in the media will say they were a surprise team.  But you'll know differently.

Think I'm giving Cutler a free pass after he had one reasonable game?  Think again.  It seems that everyone in the mainstream media is ready to again anoint Cutler the "player the Bears thought they were getting."  But that's loco, ese.  Cutler has six more interceptions than anyone else in the league and has as many interceptions as Kurt Warner has touchdowns - and Warner is 9th in the league in touchdowns.

The Bears rank 3rd in average starting field position.  Imagine how much damage they could do if Jay Cutler wasn't a runway for red-zone interceptions.


The Games

TEAMSScoreTOsTOPThird DownField Pos TEAMSScoreTOsTOPThird DownField Pos
SD 42 1 39:07:00 72.73% 32.40   JAX 7 2 27:35:00 36.36% 22.22
TEN 17 3 20:53:00 25.00% 30.44   NE 35 1 32:25:00 60.00% 32.25
                         
BUF 3 3 25:35:00 20.00% 19.45   TB 20 2 36:15:00 58.33% 25.70
ATL 31 0 34:25:00 47.06% 33.45   NO 17 1 30:39:00 54.55% 23.44
                         
KC 10 2 26:08:00 46.67% 26.27   STL 10 4 25:49:00 42.86% 34.64
CIN 17 1 33:52:00 46.67% 29.55   ARI 31 1 34:11:00 35.71% 27.62
                         
OAK 9 3 29:38:00 23.08% 29.54   DET 6 6 29:22:00 16.67% 25.21
CLE 23 1 30:22:00 37.50% 31.77   SF 20 1 30:38:00 29.41% 39.07
                         
SEA 10 4 27:46:00 35.29% 33.00   DEN 27 1 29:17:00 33.33% 39.57
GB 48 0 32:14:00 57.14% 33.69   PHI 30 3 30:43:00 30.77% 26.08
                         
HOU 27 1 32:38:00 36.36% 31.75   NYJ 29 0 33:06:00 43.75% 35.25
MIA 20 1 27:22:00 50.00% 26.27   IND 15 2 26:54:00 18.18% 23.67
                         
BAL 20 3 32:33:00 38.46% 35.75   DAL 17 1 35:02:00 53.85% 27.91
PIT 23 2 27:27:00 38.46% 36.50   WAS 0 1 24:58:00 28.57% 23.90
                         
CAR 41 0 32:16:00 66.67% 33.10   MIN 30 2 36:25:00 35.71% 28.77
NYG 9 4 27:44:00 38.46% 25.10   CHI 36 1 29:20:00 35.71% 38.00

 

There were three games in Week 16 that I'd like to focus on, starting with the Broncos-Eagles game.  In this game, Denver won the turnover battle by two, the 3rd-down battle by a few percentage points, and field position by a wide margin.  Each and every week I talk about how important it is to win these four statistical battles.  Denver virtually did just that, and yet they lost.  How was this possible?

Let's remember, they did almost win the game.  In fact, they should have.  But there are several reasons why they didn't.  The first were the penalties.  They played a factor in this game, as we've already seen.  Second, even though they won the battle on 3rd downs, they weren't exactly dominant, considering the league average is 38%.  Going 33% when your opponent goes 31% is like breaking even.  If the Broncos would have even converted 1 or 2 more of their 3rd downs, they would have been victorious.  Third,  the turnovers weren't necessarily the game-changing feature in this game, but functioned as a great equalizer.  In this case, the turnovers helped an inferior team climb back into a game in which they were almost buried in the first half.  Had the Broncos been in this game from the beginning, the turnovers certainly would have given them the win.  Lastly, field position in this game was only useful if Denver was able to take advantage of it.

This last point merits further explanation.  In the 2nd half of the game, Denver had 8 useful drives.  They did have a 9th, but it came with 4 seconds remaining, and therefore, it was a non-event.  Of these 8 drives,  there were 4 drives that began at or around midfield (the average was the 48-yard line, to be exact).  These were drives in which Denver could have possibly put a maximum of 28 points on the scoreboard.  But what did they come away with?  6 points.  On these 4 drives, they ran 22 plays and gained a grand total of 53 yards.  That's an average-gain-per play of 2.4 yards, including passes.  That, my friends, is a freak fest.  I guess now I know why McDaniels decided to sneak on 2nd down in the previous game.  He was simply calling a play that might gain 2.5 yards.

For the entire Eagles game, the Broncos didn't fare much better.  Both their passing and running games yielded an average of 3.9 yards per attempt.  That's why Kyle Orton threw it 41 times in a game and only ended up with 171 passing yards. Again, if you want to win, you have to take advantage of the opportunities field position brings you.  The results are in, Amigo.  What's left to ponder?

Before moving to the other two games, don't be fooled by the comment by Phil Simms during the game in which he said that blitzing Donovan McNabb was a bad strategy.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Unless you have a lights-out front 4, blitzing every QB is a good strategy (outside of Peyton Manning). And even with Manning, one ought to do it often.   But rather than simply disagree with Simms, I'll just give you the numbers:

Donovan McNabb's QB Rating:

 

  • No pressure (294 drop backs): 102.5
  • Plays under pressure (116 drop backs): 66.2
  • When blitzed (115 drop backs): 78.0

 

Peyton Manning's QB Rating:

 

  • No pressure (423 drop backs): 107.4
  • Plays under pressure (121 drop backs) 78.4
  • When Blitzed (130 drop backs) 98.3

 

Simms might have been a great quarterback, and he's certainly a decent color man, but as a defensive coordinator, he's not taking Dick LeBeau's job anytime soon.

Now, I'd like to discuss two other games, both of which are useful in driving home a point that I continue bringing up every week.  And it is this:  a turnover is worth more the later in the game it occurs.  Let's first consider the Tampa Bay-New Orleans game.  The Saints had a total of 9 drives in the game.  On their 7th and 9th drives, they turned the ball over (the 9th was a turnover as a result of a missed field goal).  The score before the two drives? 17-3 in favor of New Orleans.   I think you are getting the picture.  The Bucs tied the game up, got the ball in overtime, and scored.    

Drew Brees and the Saints never got the ball back again because they had no time.  Had these turnovers occurred in the first quarter, Brees would have had at least 5 or 6 drives with which to overcome these mistakes.  But because of the constraints of time, the costs of the turnovers were magnified.  And you always wondered by coaches like Marty Schottenheimer ran the ball to the point of pain in the 4th quarter.  

The game on Monday night demonstrates this even more precisely.  In the overtime period, the Vikings and Bears traded possessions.  On their 2nd possession, the Vikings fumbled inside their own territory.  Chicago went on to score one play later.  Game over.  Why? Because the Vikings would never get another possession due to the NFL's sudden-death rules. We'll leave the silly way the NFL handles its overtime period for another piece, but simply note that because overtime rewards the first team to score, turnovers (and possessions) are at a a premium.    


The Summaries

2-Turnover Rule  (Explained Here)

  • 4 teams had 0 turnovers. 4 won (100%); For the season, 71/91 (78%)

  • 13 teams had 1 turnover. 9 won (69%); For the season, 84/142 (59%)

  • 6 teams had 2 turnovers.  2 won (33%); For the season, 58/128 (45%)

  • 5 teams had 3 turnovers. 1 won (20%); For the season, 23/72 (32%)

  • 3 team had 4 turnovers.  None won (0%); For the season, 4/32 (13%)

  • 1 teams had 5+ turnovers.  This team lost (0%); For the season, 0/15 (0%)

Week 16 - Big Picture
  • The team that won the turnover battle (removing ties) won 12 of 14 games played (86%) 

  • 2 games were tied in the turnover battle.

  • The team that won the time of possession battle won 14 of the 16 games played (88%).  

  • The team that had better third-down efficiency won 13 of the 16 games played (81%).

  • The team that had better average starting field position won 14 of the 16 games played (88%)

  • There were 9 games this week in which a team won all four categories.  In all 9, the same team won on the scoreboard (100%).  

  • The winning teams this week averaged 1.00 turnovers, 32:45  in time of possession, 46.88% on 3rd downs, and their average starting field position was the 32.13-yard line.  

Running Totals, Season (through 16 weeks):
  • 240 games have been played this season

  • 76.5% (or 153/200) were won by the team with less turnovers (removing ties)

  • 40 games were tied in the turnover battle

  • 67.29% with a better time of possession

  • 69.58% by the team who won on 3rd down

  • 70.83% by the team that won the field-position battle.

16-Week League Averages:

  • 16-week running average/game, turnovers (all teams): 1.72

  • 16-week running average/game, time of possession (all teams): 30:11 (thanks to OT games)

  • 16-week running average/game, 3rd down efficiency (all teams): 37.97%

  • 16-week running average, starting field position (all teams) 29.94-yard line


  • The Look Ahead

    Looking ahead to Kansas City, here is how the two teams stack up in the four statistical categories (keeping in mind these are averages/game):

    Team       Turnovers/Game          Time of Possession          Field Position      3rd-Down Efficiency

    Denver                  1.33                              30:00                      29.68                        34.45%

    Kansas City          1.67                              28:24                      29.48                        26.40%

    When it comes to these stats, Kansas City really is a hand model in a world of beautiful people.  Denver has the advantage in each category and should win this one big.  Interestingly enough, Denver finally found a team that is worse than they are on 3rd downs.  I guess we'll call this a Christmas present one week too late.  

    Last night it was announced that Brian Dawkins, Champ Bailey, Brandon Marshall, Ryan Clady, and Elvis Dumervil all made the Pro Bowl.  But these guys know that it will take more than being professionally good-looking to beat the Chiefs. And if Denver happens to trip into the playoffs come Sunday, these guy will be ready.  Like the world of male modeling, you've always got to be ready for a straight walk-off, old school rules...for serious.

    Hail, Orton's Neck Beard!!!

    Last stat: 29.08% (This is the real percentage chance that Denver makes the playoffs.  Yes, really)

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    are you going to do my yougooglelee?

    by Todd Jewell on Dec 30, 2009 9:32 AM MST reply actions  

    Hey, Todd. I think after this week, I might be doing one for the Broncos season, but I hope not!

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

    OMFG

    I am literally holding my mouth to keep from busting out laughing loudly. Getting wierd looks! ROFL

    Anyone(’s Season) can die in a freak Referee Accident.

    ROFLMAO

    "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
    - Thomas Alva Edison

    "Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
    - Alex Noble

    by DenBronx on Dec 30, 2009 9:36 AM MST reply actions  

    Now THAT is what makes me happy. Thanks, DB.

    By the way, when I was writing this, I was youtubing the clips. I was rolling. In case you want some more of this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHM53NnAaGc

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

    If Hillis is Hansel, who is Mogumbu? Is it McDaniels

    Why do I have images of McDaniels with a small dog brain washing Orton

    Throwing the bal five yards good, Throwing the ball down field is bad!!!

    "Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
    "Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
    "Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
    "H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
    "It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman

    by Broncoman on Dec 30, 2009 10:05 AM MST reply actions  

    Sorry Mugatu

    "Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
    "Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
    "Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
    "H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
    "It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman

    by Broncoman on Dec 30, 2009 10:06 AM MST up reply actions  

    Just Make sure we

    place an operative in the sound booth and restrict Franky goes to Hollywood for only 2nd and short!! This will have an adverse effect in the short run, and will keep Orton Throwing the Bomb as an option twice a set of downs!!! Also minimizes INT availability overall since if its not 3rd and long then 1st and 3rd and med are great for the long bomb.!!!!

    "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
    - Thomas Alva Edison

    "Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
    - Alex Noble

    by DenBronx on Dec 30, 2009 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

    Hillis break dance fighting would be awesome

    Taste my pain!

    "Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
    "Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
    "Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
    "H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
    "It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman

    by Broncoman on Dec 30, 2009 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

    "Obey My Dog!"

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

    Hopefully Orton hasn't been programed to kill the prime minister of micronesia!

    "Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
    "Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
    "Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
    "H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
    "It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman

    by Broncoman on Dec 30, 2009 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

    How about Al Davis? The Prime Minister of Fader Nation.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

    that claymation dude?

    - Nick

    "We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

    by ncm42 on Dec 30, 2009 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

    Al Davis is not made of Clay. He's a vampire who feeds off the blood of chickens and goats.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

    I thought he fed on the discarded eyeliner and tears of Raider fans

    "Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
    "Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
    "Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
    "H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
    "It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman

    by Broncoman on Dec 30, 2009 2:11 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

    haha!!! REEEEECCCCCDDDD!!!!!!

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

    My bad TJ

    …another Zoolander line. Hansel says something about Mugatu trying to make Derek kill that claymation dude.

    - Nick

    "We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

    by ncm42 on Dec 30, 2009 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

    NCM, you never have to apologize when you are in Zoolander territory.

     Now, about that seaweed wrap?

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

    "The stats were IN the computer?"

    Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal.

    by MrFNSunshine on Dec 30, 2009 10:07 AM MST reply actions  

    MrFN, I thought about using this one to start it off, but the oogoogilizer was too powerful

    ..and I was hoping someone would throw this one out! Thanks for being the first!

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

    I would argue that the officiating in the Philly game...

    …washed out all the other statistical categories. Denver comes up with a huge 3rd down stop? Oops, phantom illegal contact call. Philly TD. Denver ready to capitalize on changing momentum? Oops, phantom motion penalty that took a Geneva Conference midfield meeting to agree upon. Another Philly 3rd down stopped? Nah, the same Mr. Magoo that had Stokely ejected calls a 40 yard PI that involved no contact and a CB turning back to the ball. PI? Maybe. Would he have called it on Assante Samual? By the looks of it, no. Can Denver mount a late 90 yarder? Nah, because now Mike Carey is gonna call two pentalties in three plays— during crunch time, no less. No matter either of the penalties he called could be called on any dang football play ever executed. But, hey, lets wait until the game is on the line to start getting all by-the-book. The last Celek TD was so unbelievable that it requires no elaboration here…

    Sorry— I take great pains to avoid going down the its the refs fault— but these last two games have been so one sided that its a shameless travesty. If Mike Carey, in particular, has a conscience, he hasn’t slept well this week. That wasn’t being human. The most glowing description of that effort was incompetent, but I tend to think that gives the Carey crew too much credit. That one required effort.

    There, I’m over it….

    So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson "An Army at Dawn"

    by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 30, 2009 10:12 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

    I guess I'm not over it...

    Two times in my life I’ve wondered if the refs intentionally screwed a team— Colorado – Miami in 1989. Denver – Philadelphia in 2009. The refs in the Colorado – Miami game never worked in the NCAA again.

    I’ve watched a lot of football— this one stunk.

    Okay…now I think I’m done.

    So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson "An Army at Dawn"

    by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 30, 2009 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

    Hey PO, we'll now you have some numbers to help you back up the claim:-)

    I didn’t want to get bogged down in “opinion,” however. Bartlett and Emmett and Doug and Steve and John give the opinions around here! Seriously, you won’t get any argument from me, except that I am sure it wasn’t done intentionally. They are just that bad.

    It gave me another idea for a piece in the off season, however. I am going to go back through the game and look at the different crews and see how many “points” they swing per game, per crew. Should give us even more “stuff” to worry about when we see a certain crew in a Broncos game.

    As always, continue to get it off your chest.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

    Sorry to have a rant at your stat party:)

    Seriously. Good stuff as always. I’m pretty much over it. But this one burned.

    So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson "An Army at Dawn"

    by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 30, 2009 10:27 AM MST up reply actions  

    tell us how you REALLY feel =)

    by Todd Jewell on Dec 30, 2009 10:35 AM MST up reply actions  

    I was pretty upset at the officiating as well.

    One thing the penalty stats don’t include are non-calls, which is exactly what set Stokely off. Using the penalty stat to determine if it affected the outcome of the game would be flawed if you didn’t go through each play of the game and add up the non-calls. Also, would you weight penalties? Ejecting Stokely due to a penalty would have a larger effect on the outcome of the game than just the penalty itself.

    I don’t believe that the refs have it out for the Broncos (secretly I think it’s a league wide conspiracy), but they did do a really bad job in this game.

    GO BRONCOS!!!

    by go4broncos on Dec 30, 2009 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

    A ref index would be useful

    They have one for the umps in baseball, so that you know what kind of pitching you need, likewise we should have one for the NFL, so that we know how tentative we need to play. That is my favorite part of the game after all, being tentative!!

    Careful now!!

    Eeeeasy does it!

    Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

    "That's MR.Styg..."

    by Jeremy Bolander on Dec 30, 2009 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

    I was thinking publicized weekly grades with video of the blown/non-calls...

    That’d wipe the smug out of a guy with the temerity to call Wesley Woodyard for phantom illegal contact on one series and then allow Brandon Stokely to get prison-raped on the very next. I can’t accept that paid professionals do this accidently.

    Here’s my Mike Carey Challenge: Watch his crew whenever you get a chance. They never call balanced games. Its about which sideline intimidates them more. A young rookie head coach doesn’t have a chance, especially when a media legend is prowling the opposite side line. But to me, that’s not entirely on Mike Carey. The NFL lets it happen, and the dude will probably pop up in the playoffs.

    So this is war...misfortune at every bend in the road. Misery and murdered mules and sudden death in a ditch.-- Rick Atkinson "An Army at Dawn"

    by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 30, 2009 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

    Might be why

    Referee need to become fulltime empoyees.

    ... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear

    by 3nS on Dec 30, 2009 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

    If I was coach,

     players committing penalties would be both yanked and fined. If a corner, say, is beaten, it is the epitome of stupidity to grab the receiver’s jersey and thus GIVE him the catch. He may almost certainly catch the ball anyway but at least make him earn it by having to do so (and allow football fans to enjoy a fine play). The only time a penalty is sort of forgivable is if it saves your quarterback from a nasty flattening (and even then I dislike it.) The NFL ought to implement a policy of ejecting players much more often. Maybe instigating a time limited expulsion as in hockey for minor transgressions could be adopted. I want to see the game played "for better or worse" according to the rules of football rather than watch the sticks moved based on infractions.

     As for those who criticize the refs: They (the officials) do it the best they can. Just like the rest of us, sometimes they are more successful in their endeavors than at other times, sometimes the ball hits a tuff of grass and makes a funny bounce, sometimes a player steps on a particular slippery spot on the field and falls and sometimes a sudden gust of wind will push the ball outside the uprights. These are part of the fortunes of the game and ought to be accepted as such.

    by warmick on Dec 30, 2009 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

    Hey Warmick! Good to see you.

    And I really do mean that. I was wondering where you had gone. I had hoped it wasn’t to the Denver Post. Hope you had a decent holiday.

    I have heard some argue about Pass Interference penalties and how they should be, instead of at the point of the foul, only a 15 yard penalty. So, for instance, if my QB throws a 60-yard bomb, instead of a 55-yard penalty, it would only be a 15 yard penalty. The argument they provide is that no other penalty punishes a team in this manner, and as such, neither should a PI. Your thoughts on this?

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

    I see the point

     The call is unfare for the defense but a 15 yard penalty would be unfair to the offense. Then you’ll probably end up with intentional foul being a spot foul and an unintentional foul being 15 yards but we saw how that worked with facemasks.

    ... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear

    by 3nS on Dec 30, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

    Thanks TJ

    My thought is that if you make it a 15 yard penalty only, that is an invite to having the infraction committed as that is cheaper than allowing the deep pass. What I want is the exact opposite i.e. FEWER penalties. That’s why I suggest that in addition to the rule as it exists, they should eject the offending player -conceivably for a limited time only.

    by warmick on Dec 30, 2009 2:54 PM MST up reply actions  

    Agreed to a point

    But just like any other human endeavors, some refs will give it a better effort than others, and some will phone it in from time to time. I generally detest pinning losses on refs, but I also feel they should not get a pass because they are refs. The NFL is supposedly the pinnacle of football, so the officials should likewise be the best of the best. If certain refs consistently get bad grades from the league, consistently miss calls, etc, then they should be reprimanded and/or eventually removed. Just like any other person involved in professional football — the ones who perform get rewarded, the ones who are not up to standards get cut, and the best product possible should be on the field.

    - Nick

    "We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

    by ncm42 on Dec 30, 2009 5:51 PM MST up reply actions  

    I can't argue with this Ncm. In a league that generates hundreds of millions of dollars...

    …you can’t afford NOT to handle it this way.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 9:03 PM MST up reply actions  

    Warmick,

    I really have never given the concept much thought about time penalties as in hockey. I assume we are talking 11 on 11, with the offender on the sideline replaced by someone else, correct?

    I suspect that one major barrier would be the concept of sitting a guy like Bailey who is on your payroll making so much money per game and having the owners having to watch “dead money” sit on the sideline for a series or two.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 9:02 PM MST up reply actions  

    I don't know

    In hockey you play a man down until the offender returns to the ice. That is probably the better option as the whole point is making offenses not worth committing. The harsher the penalty the better that ought to work. Given “the spot of the foul” field position does seem pretty harsh but apparently it isn’t enough as the players are too dumb to desist committing the foul. Being thrown out for the rest of the game for an obvious and deliberate holding call just might do it though. My contention is: You wouldn’t be likely to find Bailey ejected if the penalty is severe enough because he would refrain from committing the infraction. On a seperate note: Deliberate face mask grabbing and jerking ought to earn you several games suspension. I am amazed you don’t see multiple broken necks every year as a result of that dangerous practice.

    by warmick on Dec 31, 2009 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

    thanks dude for all your hard work

    I LOVE your pop culture tie-ins. Zoolander is a CLASSIC. I’m just glad you didn’t say the Broncos can only turn left.

    Love the stats dude, but my eyes told me the referring sucked against Philly. I’ve watched it a few times now. Downright horrible. They should have been able to squeek out a win with that 3rd and 25 debacle. All-in-all, the refs were stinky that day.

    Also, I got bored and decided you need an orange Bronco tint your profile photo. That red is too chief-ish.

    I'm glad we had this talk.
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    by BroncoInExile on Dec 30, 2009 10:21 AM MST reply actions  

    mind if I use this pic instead?

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

    that's what it's for

    Or if you want a little logo too (maybe too cheesey)

    I'm glad we had this talk.
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    by BroncoInExile on Dec 30, 2009 10:27 AM MST up reply actions  

    I'm not an ambi-turner.

    Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein

    Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein

    by c_style on Dec 30, 2009 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

    Man that movie is full of great quotes!

    I'm glad we had this talk.
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    by BroncoInExile on Dec 30, 2009 10:39 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

    edit link

    I'm glad we had this talk.
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    by BroncoInExile on Dec 30, 2009 10:28 AM MST reply actions  

    Cheesey is good.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 10:35 AM MST up reply actions  

    Great post Dude!

    Do you understand that the world does not revolve around you and your do whatever it takes, ruin as many people’s lives, so long as you can make a name for yourself as an investigatory journalist, no matter how many friends you lose or people you leave dead and bloodied along the way, just so long so you can make a name for yourself as an investigatory journalist, no matter how many friends you lose or people you leave dead and bloodied and dying along the way?

    Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein

    Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein

    by c_style on Dec 30, 2009 10:45 AM MST reply actions  

    C_style, why do you hate male models so much?

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

    I'm a mer-man!
    …mer-MAN!

    - Nick

    "We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

    by ncm42 on Dec 30, 2009 11:08 AM MST reply actions  

    Thanks again TJ

    was ROFLO on the Zoolander out takes. You are absolutely right about the 3rd down effeciency though, it just kills this team. I normally will yell at the refs and give them some slack, but that was the worst officiated game I’ve seen in a long time. The Stokley non-call was just blatant, I mean come on, the grab and hold obviously changed his direction. How does a decent ref miss that right in front of him. PDO pretty much covered the rest already so I’ll leave it at that.
    However, the false start penalties on the O line /TE are surely not helping.
    The biggest thing that erked me about the Philly game was that long run by McNabb, just bad defense on that play.
    This team seems to start games with great drives, only to have them peter out or come away with a measly 3. They need to start closing the deal, do that during the season and we are looking at 11-5 vs 9-7.

    "A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
    "Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

    by bchiper on Dec 30, 2009 11:14 AM MST reply actions  

    Chip, absolutely true. If they are even 40% on third downs this year, I think they are staring at 11-5.

    I’m extremely confident that this is what you’ll see next year out of this team.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

    See no reason they shouldn't

    But, there are some holes to fill, some contracts to work out and kids to draft before next year. And who knows maybe even a playoff game….. ;o)

    "A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
    "Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

    by bchiper on Dec 30, 2009 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

    Thanks TJ! Another great post.

    It’s so frustrating that this team has troubles converting their third downs! It drives me crazy when the drives stall by either a penalty or a sack. I can’t stand it! I also liked the comparison of Peyton Manning’s QB rating to Donovan McNabb’s when they were pressured. You’re right about Phil Simms, he should just stick to his day job.

    I hope that you’re right about the chiefs game come this Sunday. A play-off berth would be GREAT!

    "When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".

    "Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.

    by broncoholic on Dec 30, 2009 11:43 AM MST reply actions  

    I hope we get it as well, just because I don't want to endure a 4th straight year of this!!!

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 9:06 PM MST up reply actions  

    How do you change OT rules for Minn-Chicago game?

    Minn had their turn with the ball. Twice. They turned it over and lost. This is only fair. How would you change OT rules to prevent outright win by Chicago with a TD? All proposal out there aim at giving each team a chance of possession in OT, nothing more. Rules may be ridiculous, but there are no alternatives that would’ve resulted in different outcome.

    by si_ice on Dec 30, 2009 12:26 PM MST reply actions  

    SI, I agree with you completely. That is my suggestion as well.

    I should have separated my comment about the OT rules from the MIN-CHI game. You are correct, they each had an opportunity.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

    Why not just play the extra quarter,

    Or do like basketball and play a shorter period. 8 minutes would be perfect. I really hate the sudden death thing………..

    "A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
    "Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

    by bchiper on Dec 30, 2009 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

    Chip, they certainly could. It would be consistent with how games are decided now.

    What happens if they tie in the extra period? Your thoughts?

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

    OT rule change

    I’m all for the must score 6 points to win proposal. It would prevent the coin toss winning team from simply kicking a FG on their first drive. I think that’s what drives most people nuts with the current rules. When there is only 1 possession and it ends with a FG. I say the first team to score 6 points wins. I would also get rid of ties. Make them play until someone scores 6, no matter how long that may be.

    Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein

    Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein

    by c_style on Dec 30, 2009 1:49 PM MST up reply actions  

    Play the extra quarter,

    if it’s a tie at the end of the extra quarter during the regular season it’s a tie. I just like the idea that potentially both teams would have an opportunity to win the game in OT. Not that they don’t now, but you see the majority of teams set up to drive and get a FG chance to win. Take that away and the game plan becomes more diverse, because the FG wouldn’t win the game necessarily unless they stop the other team from scoring period. I personally would find that more entertaining.

    "A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
    "Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

    by bchiper on Dec 31, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions  

    Interesting set of opinions we have here. One thing I agree on is that I don't like the current format.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 31, 2009 12:10 PM MST up reply actions  

    If the game is tied at the end of regulation

    then neither team has shown they deserve a victory. To have the outcome decided in a a somewhat haphazard but fairly fast and decisive manner is exactly what they deserve. I like it. Perhaps mostly because teams know it is a crap shoot who wins in overtime and thus don’t have a great incentive to play for a tie except when it is the best they can hope to achieve.

    by warmick on Dec 30, 2009 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

    I rather like the college system because it is highly dramatic...and there's just something

    about a score like 52-48 that makes me laugh.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 9:07 PM MST up reply actions  

    did anyone ever address the facemask on the fumble?

    by Todd Jewell on Dec 30, 2009 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

    Todd, which one are you referencing?

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

    I believe he's talking about Adrian Peterson toward the end of regulation.

    Another nice column, BTW!

    - Jason

    I'll swallow poison until I grow immune.
    I will scream my lungs out 'til it fills this room.
    How much difference does it make? - EV

    by jubei on Dec 30, 2009 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

    Thanks, Jason. I trust your X-Max was Dixie red?

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

    Indeed it was, my friend.

    Not a fun drive, but good to be back in desert nonetheless. Caught the raider game at my buddy’s house. I told him that not going for a TD when we were up three points was gonna come back to haunt us and it definitely did. That one is going to hurt for a while.

    On the topic of penalties, my thinking is that, in general, bad officiating averages out over time. Small consolation during the heat of a game, though. Case in point: The no call for false start on Peters on the Celek TD had me swearing like a sailor. How the umpire misses that call, I have no idea. The dude was two steps into his pass block by the time the ball was snapped.

    - Jason

    I'll swallow poison until I grow immune.
    I will scream my lungs out 'til it fills this room.
    How much difference does it make? - EV

    by jubei on Dec 30, 2009 5:14 PM MST up reply actions  

    Jubei, I think you are right in general. As with the Broncos, 6 points over an entire year

    is really the equivalent of nada, except for that game against the Eagles.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 9:09 PM MST up reply actions  

    the facemask on peterson about half a second before he fumbled to end the game

    by Todd Jewell on Dec 30, 2009 2:07 PM MST up reply actions  

    Got you. Are you essentially saying that it wasn't a fumble because of the facemask?

    I should go take a look actually at the tape. I don’t remember seeing the facemask. Let me go to rewind quickly.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

    What this team needs is a Eugololizer!

    "Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
    "Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
    "Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
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    by Broncoman on Dec 30, 2009 12:35 PM MST reply actions  

    Thanks for the work TJ

    Quite impressive and very interesting to read.

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    by weazel on Dec 30, 2009 12:38 PM MST reply actions  

    weazel, thanks for slugging through stats, I know it's not easy, but sometimes useful

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

    Have you ever wondered if there was more to stats, other than being really, really, ridiculously good-looking?

    No offense, but as great as your opening line was, I still feel that this one works better for your stats, Dude.

    Oh, the penalties. They make me cringe. What is the deal with all of the ticky-tack penalties? Have penalties gone up, overall, around the NFL? I’m curious what the reason is behind the Broncos recent penalty problems. Frustration, lack of discipline, fatigue from a long season, coincidence, etc.?

    It just doesn’t make sense to have an average of 2 more penalties per game in the last month of the season. What could the basis for that be?

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    by Troy Hufford on Dec 30, 2009 1:02 PM MST reply actions  

    KB, couldn't have put it any better. Either way, you can't leave this piece without its reference...

    The penalties are not up league wide that I am seeing in the last three weeks, with the median at 5.7 per game. For the year league wide it’s at 5.7 also. So, really, it is the Broncos who are off track.

    Since they have played the Colts, Raider, and Eagles, one theory might be (other than they are just playing bad) that against passing teams, the defense simply has the opportunity to commit more penalties. There is a body of statistical evidence that does show that passing teams tend to have more penalties called against their opponents than running teams do. This is yet another reason why passing is more important in the NFL than running (in general).

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

    I see. That makes sense.

    The raiders aren’t necessarily a passing team, but a rivalry game would probably lead to more penalties, as well. Things got pretty heated out on the field and you could see that the teams didn’t like each other. You’re right, though. I could see how that would lead to more penalties. Two passing teams and a bitter rivalry = 3 games with a lot of penalties. It adds up.

    If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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    by Troy Hufford on Dec 30, 2009 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

    I really love these writes TJ--but I think 29% is a bit low for our chances...

    The way I see it a time warp will form over the Raven-fader game and through some quatum leap the brain of Ken Stabler will be transfered into JaMarcus’ brain and with the ‘Snake’ controlling the giant QB the faders will become Raiders and go stumblin and rumbln to an easy win. (what a great run-on sentence)
     Raiders 35 Ravens 17.

    Also, New England doesn’t realize that it wasn’t Shanny that owned their clock for so many years—it was Kubiak as the OC. As you can see this is also in line with all stars. Texans 42 Pats 31.

    As the stars continue to align (even thoughnot needed) Miami stomps Pittsburg because The Steelers are my favorite team to hate.

    With only a winn needed to get to the dance (and not wanting to take chances) Denver crushes KC 56-6, resting all starters the 4th quarter.

    As you can see TJ, my logic is truly aligned with something.

    Denver’s chances of making the playoffs? 100%

    and as a Post Script;

    Cincy stomps the Jets Sunday night giving our friend Kubiak and the Texans their first trip to the dance.

    As anyone who reads this comment can see…
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    by Mike Clark on Dec 30, 2009 1:03 PM MST reply actions  

    Mike, you logic is unflappable. I had not thought of those variables before.

    Are you sure Russel is the starter this week?

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

    Duhh

    Once the quantum leap occurs who else would start?

    lol

    Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
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    Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

    by Mike Clark on Dec 30, 2009 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

    The very fabric of time, man!!

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

    I actually had a dream last night that the Broncos made the play-offs through a raiders win...then I woke up just to remind myself that it was just a dream.

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    by broncoholic on Dec 30, 2009 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

    Sweet Dreams are Made of This....Who am I to disagree?

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

    So I’m at the Raider game vs. Baltamore and the Raiders are down 52 points when suddenly I feel like I’m starting to fall. Just falling, ahh ahh, I’ll never forget the terror. When suddenly I realize “Holy crap, Hansel, haven’t you been smoking Peyote for six straight days, and couldn’t some of this maybe be in your head?”

    And?

    Yeah, it was all in my head. I’ve never even been to Oakland.

    (sorry I just can’t help but love zoolander)

    I'm glad we had this talk.
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    by BroncoInExile on Dec 30, 2009 3:41 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

    lol Exile, Iwas believing until you told me it wasn't so

    Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
    Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
    Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

    by Mike Clark on Dec 30, 2009 8:04 PM MST up reply actions  

    BIE, now that is freakin' awesome.

    I couldn’t work this quote into the piece, but somehow this was perfect.!!!!!

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 9:10 PM MST up reply actions  

    There are, of course, many more penalties than those included in your stats.

    These are the one where the team suffering the infraction turns the penalty down in favor of accepting the outcome of the play. You may claim that penalties not enforced is the equivalent of the infractions not having been committed at all and that they therefore are of no statistical consequence but a quarterback, for example, may well recognize he has a free play because of an opponent’s violation and therefore takes a bigger and potentially much more rewarding risk than he otherwise would have attempted. As such, penalties not enforced would, if included in the statistics, show an even greater impact from violations.

    On the other hand, your violations stats may show a greater significance than warranted due to the fact that they tend to be committed by teams who are already losing. They may be the result of frustration, reduced capability or outright attempts at cheating, -all of which tend to stem from teams being involved in a losing effort. On the flip side, teams engaged in a run away victory are not likely to resort to dirty tactics

    by warmick on Dec 30, 2009 2:47 PM MST reply actions  

    Warmick, I agree with your 1st paragraph, but regarding the 2nd, I would have to go through and look some more

    I haven’t really dug deep enough on that issue. I think when I watch a game and the Raiders are playing, for instance, it certainly does seem that way with respect to personal fouls. But there are lots of examples of teams with good records having a lot more penalties and penalty yards. I’ve read several places actually that teams that pass tend to have more penalties on their opponents. This certainly appears to be the case with respect to teams like the Colts.

    I think this is worth more of my study in the off season for certain. As always, you give me more things to think about, which is why I am glad you come here and not to the DP.

    Another interesting bit for you might be the frequency of type, in order of rank are:

    1) Holding
    2) Illegal Procedure
    3) Offside
    4) Pass Interference
    5) Personal Foul
    6) Delay of Game

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 9:18 PM MST up reply actions  

    Holding being number one is not surprising

    That Illegal Procedure and Offside ranks that high is. Those are infractions that ought to all but never occur. Football players are not generally renowned for intellctual prowess, of couse. It kills me how you every week hear announcers proclaim: “What an intelligent play to get out of bounds to stop the clock.” If that requires intelligence, you would be hard pressed to find anyone lacking the “smarts” required to be an NFL player. But then again, wasn’t it Donovan McNabb, a player playing the supposedly most cerebral position in football, who last year was unaware a game could end in a tie? On second thoughts, even the prospect of being ejected for the reminder of the season probably wouldn’t, upon a touch down, keep someone like Marshall from pulling a tribute to Obama out of his pants if there wasn’t someone there to stop him.

    by warmick on Dec 31, 2009 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

    A tribute out of his pants?

    Sorry warmick, got to call you on that one. This is not an appropriate venue for discussions of politics. Also I got an ugly racist chill from your post that hope was innacurate.

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    by azdenfan on Dec 31, 2009 6:47 PM MST up reply actions  

    I HOPE!

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
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    by azdenfan on Dec 31, 2009 6:48 PM MST up reply actions  

    What's the matter with you azdenfan?

    Discussing politics? I am surprised anyone would be unaware that I was referring to the very act Marshall attempted to pull off after the election last year. I have no idea what may have caused it (and I really don’t care but) any racist chill you may experience stems entirely from what’s generated in your own mind.

    by warmick on Jan 1, 2010 2:13 AM MST up reply actions  

    sorry, my bad

    I did manage to miss that one, I thought you were talking hypothetically. My apologies.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
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    by azdenfan on Jan 1, 2010 8:05 AM MST up reply actions  

    truth is stranger than fiction, sometimes.

    I guess because he didn’t actually do it, I passed it by. A Glove?

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
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    by azdenfan on Jan 1, 2010 9:30 PM MST up reply actions  

    I don't know what it was

    which is why I worded it the way I did (which admittedly deliberately included the inference you probably objected to:)

    by warmick on Jan 2, 2010 12:27 PM MST up reply actions  

    I wonder what the percentage chance of the Broncos making the playoffs had been had we

    BEAT THE RAIDERS AT HOME TWO WEEKS AGO.

    Farking hell man….we lost to the Raiders. AGAIN. No excuse…

    It’s part of the reason why I’d rather not be embarrassed in the playoffs…I am still recovering from being embarassed by Jokeland.

    Hell, I wouldn’t put it past us to lose to the Chiefs this weekend too…8-5 to 8-8 for second straight year. Wouldn’t that be a hoot.

    I will hope we win and I will hope we get into the playoffs, but really, my mind is already dreaming about the draft and the beginning of next season…..

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    by Tim Lynch on Dec 30, 2009 4:26 PM MST reply actions  

    Zappa, the answer is obvious.

    Our chances of making the playoffs is still 100% !!!

    Come on man!!!

    Get hold of yourself!!

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    by Mike Clark on Dec 30, 2009 8:06 PM MST up reply actions  

    You are right...I was only thinking of this year, but yes - we have a 100% chance of making the playoffs...someday....

    lol. It is what it is. I am still proud of our football team. To be told you would finish last in your division with no more than 4-5 wins and to come out with 8 or 9…awesome job guys!

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    by Tim Lynch on Dec 31, 2009 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

    lol

    Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
    Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
    Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

    by Mike Clark on Dec 31, 2009 3:49 PM MST up reply actions  

    Nit-Pick! That's what I hate, nit-picking.

    Nobody could every tell me the ref’s don’t change the outcome of ball games, my eyes don’t deceive me. That is my only gripe about referees is that they will call a foul on one team and the other team will commit the same offense and not be called. Let the players decide the outcome of the game not the ref’s. I think some of these guys (refs) actually get a woody out of calling penalties. The game is long enough, let the players play football! Other than that, another reat post Dude~rec’d!

    by bfree2bronc on Dec 30, 2009 4:32 PM MST reply actions  

    Thanks bfree. I think I would only differ in that I am not sure they do it on purpose, but I agree they can change an outcome of a game.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 9:19 PM MST up reply actions  

    Yes, but can you turn Left?

    Seriously Dude, the new charts just bring the post together Man.
    Nice work.

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    by KaptainKirk on Dec 30, 2009 7:37 PM MST reply actions  

    Thanks, Kap, I just figured out how to do them without coding HTML. If you want me to show you

    for your weekly post, I can do it. Would be happy to. Just email me, mate!!

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 9:20 PM MST up reply actions  

    So what's the theory on the refs?

    1. Refs are human and make as many mistakes as the players do. They see the game in real time at field level, with no replay and 22 players to watch. This should indicate bad calls would go for us as often as against.

    2. Refs hate Denver because of the actions of our coaches, players, or management. I think it is probable that refs are prone to call plays against specific players or coaches that have insulted officiating. I don’t see this as a big issue for Denver, any comments? I don’t remember McD calling out any crews this year.

    3. Refs are making calls to change the outcome of the game for monetary concerns. After the NBA/Donaghy debacle (can you say swept under the rug?), I believe this one could be a genuine concern. The money bet on NFL games is staggering, and if it hasn’t happened yet it will. But once again, why would the Broncos be more likely to be “fixed” to lose than win?

    I guess I simply feel that in the the long run it will probably pretty much even out, and we should concern ourselves more with things the team can control.

    Thanks as usual for the terrific stats TJ, for some reason they are more comforting to me after a loss than commentary. I love the prediction that next season we will show improvement on third downs. Please don’t let this one lie.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
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    by azdenfan on Dec 30, 2009 8:36 PM MST reply actions  

    AZ, indeed, I hope this post showed that 5.76 points in a season is nothing to get worked up over.

    It does indeed even out for most teams. I think each year, however, there are a few teams that are getting tagged a little more than they should. In addition, I think Manning probably does have a Jordan-like ability to get more calls:-) But generally, yes, it evens out.

    On third downs, I am so sure of It, that I will have to wager something on it, just to show I am serious. Don’t know what, but I’ll come up with something. You can mark this down—unless there are some strange off season happenings. This would be my only caveat.

    Also, look for the correlation bible coming soon.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 9:25 PM MST up reply actions  

    What could possibly be considered strange after last off season?

    And only a fool would wager against you.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
    Philip K. Dick

    by azdenfan on Dec 30, 2009 9:36 PM MST up reply actions  

    True, true. I have never seen a Broncos' off season like the last one.

    I guess we could see Marshall and Dumervil gone. Or the QB situation unstable again.

    I doubt any of these three, except Marshall possibly leaving.

    Thanks for the vote of confidence. And I didn’t give your point 3 enough consideration. What would be your perspective on paying these guys six-figure incomes? I can’t imagine a situation in which we WOULD NOT get the world’s best referees. I say this without even knowing what they make now.

    You are right, also, on the “rug.” How has the NBA escaped this? Perhaps because they are simply not that popular anymore and no one cares? Like Tim Lynch, I used to be into the NBA big. But after watching the Jazz and the Knicks get hosed over and over playing the Bulls, I’ve lost interest generally.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 30, 2009 10:06 PM MST up reply actions  

    FYI:The nfl pays referees anywhere from $25,000 to $70,000 per season.

    Not bad for 20 weekends of work, but I still see it as a miserable job. Umps can make close to 300K but they work 10 times the number of games. Unfortunately, I am not convinced that salary has any correlation with integrity.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
    Philip K. Dick

    by azdenfan on Dec 31, 2009 4:01 PM MST up reply actions  

    Refs supplement their income through betting. That's my theory...

    then again, I am also a jaded Sacramento Kings fan.

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    by Tim Lynch on Dec 31, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

    The Eagles game made me vomit...

    “But it really IS a great way to lose weight before a show.”

    great work as always, TJ. I have really come to enjoy your pieces each week!

    by RalphW on Dec 31, 2009 5:44 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

    Lol, thanks, Ralph,always appreciate your stats as well.

    "But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher

    by TJ Johnson on Dec 31, 2009 12:09 PM MST up reply actions  

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