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Broncos overtake Chargers in a tie-break? Could happen

Hello.  This is my first posting and I want to say how awesome this community is and I've enjoyed reading everyone's contributions for a while now.

This certainly could be too early to start thinking about, but I did a little analysis and tried to map out the tie-breaking scenarios which would allow the Broncos to overtake the Chargers in the division. I've gone through the first four tie-breakers.

I checked it over a few times, but there still could be a few errors.  Let me know if I messed up somewhere.  Also, I am a computer programmer, so that's why the breakdown looks the way it does.  I hope it isn't too confusing.

Star-divide

Head to Head

The Broncos and Chargers split the series, so we will move on to the next tie-breaker.

 

Division games

Since San Diego has already swept through the division with the exception of the loss at home to the Broncos, it is up to the Broncos to keep pace and win both games with KC and their second game with Oakland at home.

We will have a hard time getting into the playoffs if we do not take care of business and finish off the rest of the division. One loss in any of these three games would be extremely damaging not only the division tie-breaker but also for a wild card berth as well, thus making Sunday's game all the more important.

Therefore, let's begin with the assumption that SD and DEN will be tied at (5-1) in the division.


Common games SD 8-3 [2-2] / DEN 7-4 [4-3]

assumptions:
Division records tied at (5-1)
Games against division opponents are disregarded based on above assumption

Completed common games (SD result/DEN result):

  • BAL (L/L)
  • PIT (L/L)
  • NYG (W/W)


Pending common games (SD result/DEN result):

  • CLE (?/W)
  • DAL (?/W)
  • PHI (W/?)
  • CIN (?/W)
  • WAS (?/L)


Scenario breakdown based on overall record:

TIED OVERALL at 12-4 (assumes DEN wins out AND SD loses one):
if SD loses only to TEN,
  SD wins tie-breaker on common games SD[6-2] vs. DEN[5-3]
else (assumes SD loses one to CLE or DAL or CIN or WAS),
  TIED on common games at [5-3]; move to conference record tie-breaker

TIED OVERALL at 11-5 (assumes DEN loses one to IND or PHI AND SD loses two):
if SD loses to TEN and SD loses one to CLE or DAL or CIN or WAS
  if DEN loses only to PHI,
    SD wins tie-breaker on common games SD[5-3] vs. DEN[4-4]
  else
    TIED on common games at [5-3]; move to conference record tie-breaker
else if SD loses two to CLE or DAL or CIN or WAS
  if DEN loses only to PHI,
    TIED on common games at [4-4]; move to conference record tie-breaker
  else
    DEN wins tie-breaker on common games SD[4-4] vs. DEN[5-3]

TIED OVERALL at 10-6 (assumes DEN loses BOTH to IND and PHI AND SD loses three):
if SD loses to TEN and SD loses two to CLE or DAL or CIN or WAS,
  TIED on common games at [4-4]; move to conference record tie-breaker
else if SD loses three to CLE or DAL or CIN or WAS
  DEN wins tie-breaker on common games SD[3-5] vs. DEN[4-4]

CONCLUSIONS on Common Games tie-breaker:

Biggest games will come in Week 16 when Dawkins and the Broncos visit Philly and SD visits TEN.  These two games are huge for determining who wins the common games tie-breaker.

Conference Record SD {6-3} / DEN {8-3}*

assumptions:
*KCx2 and OAK are counted as wins based on tie-breaker assumptions*
Division records tied at (5-1)
Common games records tied (see section above)

Remaining non-division conference games:

  • SD: CLE, CIN, TEN
  • DEN: IND

Scenario breakdown based on overall record:

TIED OVERALL at 12-4 (assumes DEN wins out and SD's one loss not to TEN):
if SD loses one to CLE or CIN,
  DEN wins tie-breaker on conference games SD{8-4} vs. DEN{9-3}
else
  TIED on conference games at {9-3}; move to strength of victory tie-breaker

TIED OVERALL at 11-5 (assumes DEN loses one of IND or PHI):
if DEN's loss was to PHI (assumes SD loses two to CLE or DAL or CIN or WAS),
  if SD loses both to DAL and WAS,
    TIED on conference games at {9-3}; move to strength of victory tie-breaker
  else (assumes SD loses at least one to CLE or CIN),
    DEN wins tie-breaker on conference games SD{8-4 or worse} vs. DEN{9-3}
else (assumes SD loses to TEN and SD loses one to CLE or DAL or CIN or WAS),
  if SD loses one to CLE or CIN,
    DEN wins tie-breaker on conference games SD{7-5} vs. DEN{8-4}
  else
    TIED on conference games at {8-4}; move to strength of victory tie-breaker

TIED OVERALL at 10-6 (assumes DEN loses BOTH to IND and PHI and
                                                   SD loses to TEN and SD loses two to CLE or DAL or CIN or WAS
):
if SD loses to TEN and SD loses both to DAL and WAS,
  TIED on conference games at {8-4}; move to strength of victory tie-breaker
else (assumes SD loses to TEN and SD loses at least one to CLE or CIN),
  DEN wins tie-breaker on conference games SD{7-5 or worse} vs. DEN{8-4}

CONCLUSIONS on conference record tie-breaker:

DEN most likely wins if conference record tie-breaker is needed, no scenario gives SD the tie-breaker for conference games.  If it comes down to Strength of victory, I like the Broncos chances considering this year's schedule.

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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Much obliged

Thanks for breaking it down. Nice post.

by oorange blood on Dec 4, 2009 1:29 PM MST reply actions  

Since Pittsburg has a relatively easy schedulle from here on out, every game we play is critical to win.

We can’t lose to anybody right now, we blew that with the Redskins loss. If we win out to the end then we are in the playoffs no matter what SD does. That’s the scenario I’m looking for. I could care less what SD does, they still have 3 difficult games to play and may lose all 3.

by bfree2bronc on Dec 4, 2009 1:43 PM MST reply actions  

Great work

Thanks for this. It will be very handy.

by conductormann on Dec 4, 2009 2:36 PM MST reply actions  

Good stuff. Thanks for putting this together.

I guess I’ll have to root for Cincinnati, as much as that is going to hurt…..

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.

by Troy Hufford on Dec 4, 2009 2:41 PM MST reply actions  

me too

i was saying a ciny collase

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 4, 2009 2:57 PM MST reply actions  

But....

if a North African Sparrows leaves Cairo heading South-by-southwest at approximately 43 knots, and a Russian Polar Jackalope heads North-by-northwest at approximately 2 knots…then the Broncos finish the season 13 – 3 and it is all good!

Yeah baby yeah!!!

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Dec 4, 2009 4:07 PM MST reply actions   2 recs

13-3 baby!

Honestly have to say I never considered the jackalope scenario. LMAO

"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.

by broncosmontana on Dec 5, 2009 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Math

If each game outcome is a flip of a coin…

There are 1024 possible outcomes of game outcomes concerning Denver and San Diego.

San Diego is division champ in 818 of them, Denver is division champ in 200 of them, and they tie (meaning go down to strength-of-victory) in 8 of them.

So, roughly speaking, it’s 80/20. But, San Diego’s schedule is a little tougher than Denver’s. All that said, if we get the division championship, the “comeback” should be a really big story.

by tunesmith on Dec 4, 2009 4:35 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks for the "any given Sunday"

lesson in probability. Appreciated!

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Dec 5, 2009 8:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Nice work!

I did some of this research myself last night. Your work is much more in depth and paints a good picture. Thanks, wish I would have found it last night.

by chopperpilot on Dec 5, 2009 7:20 AM MST reply actions  

Good Job Rich

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Dec 5, 2009 7:41 AM MST reply actions  

Nice breakdown, T!

Fantastic work here — thanks for distilling this all down for us! Assuming we win out in the division (which I would hope would be the case!!), those week 16 matchups are very, very intriguing!

"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.

by broncosmontana on Dec 5, 2009 9:57 AM MST reply actions  

Most likely

The most likely scenario is this IMHO:
    Broncos finish out 4-1 loosing in Indi to finish at 11-5

If the Chargers finish out 3-2 and those two losses come to Dallas, Cinci or Washington, we win the division.

Based on the tie break the Phili game is more important that the Indi game. However, we cannot lose two and expect to get in. I think this is a very likely scenario and I still feel that wining the division is a reasonable expectation. If we win out we are in and if we win out and the Dolts looses any of those three I pointed out then we win the division. That would be spectacular.

No matter what this team has grown more in one season than the last four of Shanny’s teams. I expect them to finish strong building on what they did against the Giants. Run the ball, stop the run, win the turnover battle. That is a formula for playoff success and ours starts now! Go Broncos!

by AttwaterForHOF on Dec 5, 2009 11:38 AM MST reply actions  

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