Denver Broncos 2010 Draft watch: Alabama vs. Florida
Hey everyone!
I'm loving the Broncos' resurgence on defense, loving the Broncos' return to the running game, loving the return of Eddie Royal, Peyton Hillis, Spencer Larsen, and several others. I am feeling good right now, as a Bronco fan.
But I'm also a guy who loves the NFL draft. I was a big supporter of Moreno before the 2009 draft, and was ecstatic that we picked him. I love watching rookies develop, and this year it has been a treat to watch Moreno, McBath, and Bruton, with Ayers improving every week. I continue to hope for more from Smith, Quinn, and McKinley. That being said, I noticed that with this past Saturday's SEC Championship there were more than a few notable players on the field who might be available for the Broncos to target come draft day 2010. Given the high caliber of on-field talent, I thought that this would be the closest to an NFL-like situation. I watched the game once live and twice recorded (once for offense and once for defense). The players will be ordered based on how much I would like to see them in a Bronco uniform, compared to the rest of the players on the field. For what it's worth, here are my thoughts:
(Note: Ted Bartlett has already covered this in his most recent Shallow Thoughts. If you want another, broader analysis, look there. I had already started this post, so I might as well finish it, eh?)
1a. Rolando McClain, ILB -- Alabama
- He is a junior, so he might not declare, but this game to me was the definitive answer in the McClain vs. Spikes argument. McClain showed excellent speed getting to the edge of rushing plays, was not baited by play action or option, and flashed superb acceleration. He is 6-4 and around 250 lbs, but he moves fluidly and was around the ball constantly. I saw him audible to the rest of the defense multiple times, displaying his leadership. His tackling is very very good, but what impressed me the most regarding his fit for the Broncos was his ability to effectively blitz the A-B gaps. Only once (1st quarter) was he held up on these blitzes; all other times he created pressure and/or collapsed the pocket.
- If you want a capsule of McClain, watch a play at 4:06 in the 1st quarter. The play is designed as a pass, but Tebow sees an opening in the left side of the line and sprints through. McClain was watching Tebow's eyes and moving to his left (away from the run play). When Tebow tucked, McClain instantly changed direction and showed amazing quickness to catch up with Tebow, then incredible strength and tackling technique to bring him down for only a one-yard gain, despite a stiff arm. Anyone who knows Tim Tebow knows this is no small feat.
- He is a playmaker, a leader, and a physical specimen. If Chicago gives us a good pick, we ought to think very strongly about taking this guy here. Think of him as being as hard of a hitter as Maualuga but as sure of a tackler as Laurinitis, all with great coverage abilities. This guy should be the eventual replacement for Andra Davis. In addition, he has the versatility to play at LOLB if we need him to, and would be superb in coverage against TEs.
1b. Joe Haden, CB -- Florida
- Another junior who may not declare, but I suspect he will. Last year's draft made it clear that McDaniels places an emphasis on a superb secondary that doesn't give up the big plays. That was exactly what Joe Haden did vs. Alabama. In fact, he reminded me an awful lot of Champ. He played RCB, was often in on run support (stopped Ingram short twice in the 1st quarter alone), and was rarely thrown to at all. The few times he was thrown to, he broke up the pass. Julio Jones was usually opposite him, and all of his passing yards came against other CBs. Haden quite literally shut down his side of the field.
- I hear you now: "Why do we need another CB? We've already got Champ, Goodman is good, plus there's the Phonz, who is the equivalent of a 1st-rounder?" In short: Champ is declining (but still great), Goodman is a stop-gap, and the Phonz hasn't quite caught up to the NFL yet. If Haden is available at our pick, we should look very very seriously at taking him.
- What if both Haden and McClain are available? Ugh. That's tough. If it were me, I would get Haden. Both seem like can't-miss prospects, but Haden seems to be just a bit more of a guy you would regret passing on. Still, ILB seems like a more pressing need -- I can't shake the feeling that we bottled lightning in 2009 with our LBs, and I'm not betting on a repeat. That being said, we can find serviceable fill-ins at ILB easier than we can with CB.
2. Terrance Cody, NT -- Alabama
- Emmitt did a great piece on Cody earlier in the season HERE. In it, he essentially declared Cody not first-round material and stated that the Broncos should not draft him unless the value was right -- and even then we might have more pressing needs elsewhere. The economics of draft day aside, I will have to respectfully (and cautiously) disagree. Cody is still a massive man, but he looks to be much less belly than before. He also has more agility than he is usually credited with, getting past the Pouncey twins on two occasions to cause trouble for Tebow in the backfield. He also lined up as a blocker on offense in a goal-line situation for the Tide, resulting in an Ingram TD. Finally, he has some special teams prowess, as he displayed vs. Tennessee earlier in the season. The most telling part about the Tide/Gators game was the lack of interior runs. Much like Haden, Cody shut down his assigned area of the field.
- Most of his concerns are regarding motivation and conditioning. I think it's entirely probable that the conditioning part can be taught at the NFL level. Especially as it regards the Broncos' current situation at NT, Cody can be part of a solid rotation of space-pluggers and two-gap players with Fields and Marcus Thomas. That being said, it will be important to get some solid pass-rushing ability at defensive guard either in free agency or the draft. I'm definitely not in favor of getting him with a high- or mid-first-rounder, but he might be a good pickup in a trade down scenario.
3. Brandon Spikes, ILB -- Florida
- I loved this guy in 2008, and I would have been thrilled to pick him up then. In 2009, I was initially excited, but kept hearing more and more buzz on McClain. Then, I watched a few games and was impressed but not wowed. When I watched this game, I was very underwhelmed. Spikes was not a presence at all for the duration of the game. He was blocked effectively several times, once in particular on a pulling run play which allowed the RB (Richardson) to get 8 extra yards instead of a loss. On a screen pass that went for big yardage, his lack of top-end speed was displayed while chasing the WR. He blitzed mostly from the edge, and never really got serious pressure
- That being said, this guy is an extremely solid ILB who will be a good starter for nearly any team. He is a quarterback of defenses, and his intangibles are impossible to miss. What he might lack in athletic talent, he makes up for in leadership. Still, I think that the Broncos are a better fit for McClain due to our tendency for delayed ILB blitzes and our necessity to have a superb ILB covering TEs in our 5-2 look. A trade down into the late first round would be a great place to cover our need at ILB and not break the (draft pick) bank doing so.
4. Mike Johnson, LG -- Alabama
- Mike Johnson had some great moments and some cringe-inducing moments. The latter was on disply most often when he was called on to block in the second level. Twice, he tried to cut block and ended up becoming just a speed bump for the running back. He was effective on pulling run blocks, and showed enough athletic ability to encourage hope for great improvement there. The most significant feature of his game, however, was his consistency. Apart from the aforementioned gaffes, he was habitually solid in both run and pass protection. He displayed some really fantastic strength, and always kept with the play until its conclusion.
- Purely on talent and potential, I would rather have Mike Iupati (Idaho), but I am strongly of the opinion that a guard should only be taken in a BPA scenario, and we are not likely to be in territory where a guard is the best player on the board. Asamoah (Illinois) is usually ranked above Johnson by most draft gurus, but honestly I haven't watched him play enough to give a competent opinion. What I like about Johnson is that he is projected as a 2nd/3rd round fringe pick, which means we could probably get him without having to reach much or sacrifice other areas of need. At 6-6 and 305lbs, he is a monster of a guard who nfldraftscout.com describes as a "cerebral" blocker. Sound like a good fit?
5. Riley Cooper, WR -- Florida
- This kid is an extremely intriguing talent. 6-3 and 215lbs, he is built like our very own Beast and has the strength to match. Like Ted pointed out in his ST&NO, this young man can manhandle physical corners in bump-and-run coverage, and has emerged as the most dangerous receiving threat Tim Tebow has. He spent the first part of his Florida career on special teams (gunner), so he fits us well there. He runs some very excellent routes, and has great hands. Several times, he came down with difficult catches in tight coverage. Also, he seemed to not be fazed at all by coverage from Arenas.
- In fact, if for some reason Brandon Marshall is not in our long-term goals, this kid strikes me as a very apt replacement for the Beast. Built the same, with similar skill set, great as a blocker, better speed, and a better route runner. With a 3rd-4th round grade, we could get great value for him. The only question will be Elway's dilemma: baseball or football?
6. Javier Arenas, CB -- Alabama
- Many of us like Arenas, and mostly for his return/special teams ability. I must admit, I have been one of them. Now, after watching him get beaten and overmatched by a WR who is hardly on most people's radar entering the draft (see above), I am starting to seriously second-guess that. A returner is always a strange creature to draft: one hardly wants to draft highly a good returner who can't do anything else (i.e., Cribbs), but when the guy has great skills elsewhere you want him to stick to one or the other (i.e., Royal). Arenas is likely to be drafted highly, and that is precisely why I don't want him. I don't value his skills as a CB highly enough to draft him in that territory, and I don't think we need a return man that desperately to reach for him. On a side note, can you imagine the cacophony that would ensue if McDaniels drafts two "undersized" CBs back-to-back? For those who don't know, Arenas is a generous 5'9".
- Arenas could be a good nickel CB, but I don't see him as a #2, especially in our division (with tall, strong WRs in SD and KC). His return ability is indeed special, though, and would be welcome on the Broncos -- thereby freeing up Royal to move to the slot position. What I liked about him in this game was his absolutely obvious intensity and discipline: after every return, every tackle, he immediately popped up off the ground and ran off the field. This kid is the definition of "gamer" -- or "baller", if you prefer.
7. Chas Henry, P -- Florida
- He's a junior, and you rarely see a junior punter in the NFL draft. Still, this kid absolutely blew me away during the game. Arenas got 8 yards on one returnable punt -- and he is the 2nd-leading punt returner in NCAA history. Henry's stats jump off the page: 42.8 yards per punt average, 12 punts inside the opponent's 20, 6 punts of 50+ yards, and -- here's the kicker -- 21 punt return yards the entire season. His hang time was phenomenal and the distance was just as exceptional on every punt. Accuracy isn't an issue, either. He is currently a finalist for the Ray Guy Award for the best punter in the nation.
- Mitch Berger is showing definite improvement, but we all know he's not the long-term answer. Wouldn't it be nice to have one guy every year who we could count on to put us in spectacular field position on defense? Todd Sauerbraun was our guy year in and year out; Chas could be the same for us in 2011.
Well, that's the long and... well, the long of it. I like all these guys in a Broncos uniform, and the all fit a need at one area or another. It will be interesting to see what the front office will do; personally, I would like to see them in Orange and Blue. Now I must leave before I start rhyming any more.
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write up and excellent analysis. I am a huge fan of football, but I’m just as big of a fan of the draft. To me, scouting the players, and mocking the draft is kind of like being a kid on christmas.
I was very impressed with McLain as well, he had an absolute monster game. I would be estatic to get him in the first. Where do you see Chas getting drafted? If we could get a Shane Lechler for the next 10 years, would it be worth a second or third?
Once again, enjoyed the read and of course rec’d
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Currently, he's rated as a 5th/6th round prospect (in 2011)
That’s why I like him in 2011: we’ve got a solid team now, we can address some holes in 2010, and then get some luxury guys in 2011. Like a stud punter.
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by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 8, 2009 10:23 PM MST up reply actions
I'll take Riley Cooper in the later rounds...
If he plays football and not that other worthless sport.
Imagine having him on one side, marshal on the other, with royal in the slot.
Also i’m torn between a ILB and a CB (both Mclain and Haden would be my top choice)
It all depends on which position that is more at need, and also which position has a drop off in talent in the later rounds.
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by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Dec 8, 2009 11:28 PM MST reply actions
loved the article
But I don’t think that last years draft showed that McD is places an emphasis on a superb secondary. I think it showed us that McD didn’t like the D-line options. This year I think we are going to go D-line because the options are much better this year than next. I also don’t think we go CB in the first because we’ve got time to develop one.
Loved the right up on the players thanks.
Completely disagree
Not that we might go D-line in this draft, but McD didn’t overhaul our secondary simply because there was a lack of defensive lineman available this past year.
Alphonso Smith, Darcel McBath, and David Bruton were all drafted with the hopes that someday they will become starters. AND we went to Goodman, Hill, and Law in free agency. Obviously, McDaniels and Xanders place a high value on that area of the field. We were so poor in the defensive backfield last year. Does anyone even remember our putrid starting four at one point last season? Allow me to refresh:
Josh Bell, Dre Bly, Marquand Manuel, and a combination of Calvin Lowery, Josh Barrett, and Burt Snurd.
High value is placed on the secondary.
by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 9, 2009 7:23 AM MST up reply actions
I disagree as well
I have a hard time believing that in seven rounds he found no one he liked better than the other options he picked. Especially in light of the fact that he got Rulon Davis, Everette Pedescleux, and Chris Baker as undrafted free agents. Obviously, he feels that filling D-line holes is not a top priority.
That doesn’t say that he won’t do it next year with a relatively high draft pick (since we got Bruton, McBath, and Smith this year), but when every opinion out there — informed and uninformed — said that D-line was our #1 priority and he didn’t address it until free agency, that says to me that he simply doesn’t place a high priority on it.
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 9, 2009 8:12 AM MST up reply actions
well if you guys want to be wrong I can't stop you :)
Perhaps I should have said that he didn’t like the D-line options better than he liked the other options that were out there.
I don’t find it hard to believe that in seven rounds he couldn’t find a someone better because last year was a bad draft for D-line overall, and especially 3-4 d-linemen. That’s the reality of the situation. I would say that someone like Baker has as much talent as Brace, or Sammie Lee who were the other contenders there but without the off-field issues. Even Pedescleaux was ranked as something like the third or fourth best 3-4 DE and he went undrafted.
What last year showed us was that he takes more of a BPA who fits the system approach, and that just was not D-line last year.
I think his lack of confidence in our D-line is why he brought in Holiday and LeKevin Smith who are easily better than almost all of the guys who came our of the draft last year. This year with better d-linemen available, we’ll see what he picks.
Interesting take
perhaps you’re right. Given his time in NE, that would certainly make sense (build from the line up).
I’m just hoping he doesn’t pick Carlos Dunlap. There are red flags all over that guy. Still, that’s hardly the kind of player McX is usually drawn to.
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 9, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
Great write-up!
I always love me some draft talk, specially since I dont get to see many college games, so I have to depend on others’ observations…
Interestingly, right before I checked this post, I read draftace.com’s latest mock who has Haden going to us at 10…and i’d love that! Then again, they also have Bradford going 2nd overall, the Bills taking a WR at 8th, the Chiefs picking McClain at 8th….dont see Bradford going that high, and i’d imagine Buffallo has bigger needs than WR.
But yeah! Draft talk is welcome any time :D
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What about the Pauncey brothers at C and OG? Those two are good prospects in a spots Denver has big time needs.
If a top DT like Gerald McCoy dropped to Denver, we’d have to take a look. I don’t know if he projects into a 3-4 player, but the talent along our D-line can be improved. That said, I like Joe Haden with our 1st round pick. He is a future #1 CB. Alphonso Smith may develop into solid #2 CB, but I certainly don’t see a future Revis in the Phonz. With McBath and Bruton in the mix, why not try to solidify a young secondary with a Top CB prospect like Haden. I’d be A-OK if we took McClain as well. These are good problems to have.
I LOVE the idea of drafting interior linemen in round 2 and 3 because you can usually pick among the very best as those guys rarely get drafted in round 1. I also love the idea of Kris O’Dowd (USC) as a C prospect.
This is my favorite website.
I initially had Pouncey(s) in there
But the post was already way too long. I like Maurkice at center, and if we can’t get one of the top 3 OGs (Iupati, Asomoah, or Johnson), then the other Pouncey is a good option.
That being said, there were more than a few times where McClain got pretty good penetration on the twins during an interior blitz. I wouldn’t call them elite, but they look pretty good.
I agree we should upgrade our D-line depth/starters, but I just don’t think a high pick will be spent on it. One prospect I like a lot for our system is Jared Odrick (Penn State), but he’s likely out of our reach.
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 9, 2009 8:19 AM MST up reply actions
Sharpe this is good stuff here,
why worry about length when you have something of value to say. Just my thoughts. McClain is a beast, didn’t he just win the Butkus award as well? The way Chicago has been we could be in the mix for at least one of the top three you list here. But, I don’t think we’d have McClain drop to us as he goes in the top three picks IMHO. Haden would be an excellent addition to the secondary, this CB has the best skills of the corners coming out this year.
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Nice write up and I agree with your player assessments. As Klis from DP recently pointed out, we will not know our draft priorities until the contract situations with Doom, Orton, B Marsh, Scheffler and Weigman are sorted out. All of them will be restricted free agents. Rec’d
And until after FA
But then again, the secondary didn’t seem like too much of a priority after contracts/free agency before the 2009 draft. And look what happened there.
What I’m trying to look for are guys who fit our 3-4/5-2 system and who fit our player MO (i.e., intelligent, tough, physical, teachable). I can see some needs right now, but I hope I didn’t come across as having that be the most important part of the analysis.
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 9, 2009 8:24 AM MST up reply actions
I think it would be interesting to get a listing of all intelligent team-leaders, with good special teams skills, work ethics and the ability to perform multiple functions. Find those 10 people and that is who we will probably draft
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Once the juniors declare, I plan on developing a short board
to approximate McDaniels’ drafting strategy. I think that will be much more useful than a big board.
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 9, 2009 8:31 AM MST up reply actions
Good analysis
Personally I think we need to focus on the offense in next year’s draft and defense 2nd. Our CB has already been drafted in Smith and should be even better and staring next season. I think Broncos need help at G, RT, and WR skill positions we have to address. Unless you can draft at 1 – 3 for NT and T its better to wait until the 3rd to 5th rounds drafting DL or OL. Cody is a great looking player but I seriously doubt he meets the criteria for McD’s formula for drafting players with heart, smarts, wants to win, disciplined, and leadership traits. Overall I enjoyed your analysis and will file it for future reference in April. Tks for the insight.
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trade up for suh
we’re already in the top 10 and i’s very clear that he’s a special player…
game footage for evidence (the 3 ful games I could find, plus a couple of highlights from other games… notice his consistency of effort on every down of the full games, and how often he beats his man and gets aroudn the ball):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLUau5jlNNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXGqMQBIGiA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzjmC3sD6W8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV8QSUnmLUg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqstJ8hy0vA
He is also pretty well spoken off the field and is considered a leader in the Nebraska locker room (McD’s type of player).
here’s some interview footage (both about football and about his lone off the field incident, which doesn’t seem to be anything more than an understandable accident, not caused by bad behavior, which was handled responsibly… i’ll include his coach’s comment on the issue as suh, himself was told by his coach not to comment):
Suh in interviews:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGrL5xljCT8&feature=fvsr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeH0jaOFMPU&feature=fvsr
Suh feature from ESPN college gameday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIpOUOFhv24
News footage about his car accident:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrc2z-XEy8E&feature=fvsr
Coach Pellini’s comments on Suh’s accident:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT6Wtr8_S3s&feature=fvsr
by bailey disciple on Dec 9, 2009 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
we're already in the top 10 with chicago's pick, so we wouldn't have to trade up terribly far...
normally I don’t like trades that net fewer draft picks, but suh is clearly a once-in-a-generation type of talent.
GET THIS GUY at all (remotely reasonable) costs!!!
by bailey disciple on Dec 9, 2009 10:09 AM MST up reply actions
As much as I like him
I see him going in the top 3… we’d have to give up quite a lot..not only draftpicks, but also salary cap wise…
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worth it in my book
guys like suh who dominate the pass and run on every play, from the DT/3-4DE position, are so rare. these are truely once-in-a-generation type of talent. a guy like that would make any defense competitive (if not dominant, depending on the talent around him) for the length of his career.
just imagine him and doom rushing the same QB for the next decade… they wouldn’t know who to double!!
by bailey disciple on Dec 9, 2009 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
Interesting thoughts
I agree that Suh is a once-in-a-generation type of player and fits the McDaniels mold. However, I am just not a fan of trading up into top-5 territory. Ever.
Cap space gets eaten up, the rest of the team suffers from a smaller cap plus fewer draft picks, and you put all your eggs in one basket. It’s the football equivalent to dumping all your diversification stocks and putting all your money into an up-and-coming stock. Sure, it may pay off, but if it doesn’t you’re absolutely screwed. Injuries are one of the most unpredictable things in the NFL, and if a guy you paid that much for is missing significant time, you’re busted — for years, maybe a decade.
Simply not worth it for ANY player, in my opinion. If you’re (un?)lucky enough to be picking where a player like that will be (i.e., Colts/Manning), then by all means go for it. Not if you’re down where we likely will be (I’m betting 10-12).
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 9, 2009 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
Ouch
I’ve come around to your way of thinking just in the past year, thanks to MHR really. Drafting in the top 5 is more of a curse than a “reward”, which really sucks and absolutely needs to be changed during the new CBA negotiations.
Now where did that Kool-Aid vendor go?
Interesting stat, though:
If we somehow get Suh, then we could have 3 former Bronko Nagurski award winners on our team:
Dumervil (2005), Bailey (1998), and Suh (2009)
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 9, 2009 3:38 PM MST up reply actions
Dude, I agree completely.
I can’t think of another player that I’ve liked that much in a long long time.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Iupati! Iupati! Iupati!
I know, I know…he doesn’t fit the thread topic. But imagine Ryan Clady’s agility in a maulers body with a maulers strength at guard opposite Kuper— and the extra 2nd or 3rd the Broncos could pick up moving back 10 slots. Then snatch up Arenas and a 5’er or ILB or potential deep threat in the 2nd. Then you have a line that can truly make a seamless transition between gap and zone blocking on a game plan by game plan basis.
Of this list, I’d be one-hundred percent behind both Haden and McClain if we held onto that first early pick. I think Dunlap fails the intangibles test and doubt he’ll even show up on the Broncos short-board.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 9, 2009 9:02 AM MST reply actions
Agree on Dunlap
And (like I said) I like Iupati better than Johnson. I would be very much in favor of a trade down to the late 1st to get him and extra 2/3s. Definitely.
That being said, what if Haden is available with our first? Honestly, I would rather have him and either Asamoah or Johnson than Iupati, Arenas, and some other guy. That sets our team up for success much better, in my opinion. What if Haden is gone but McClain is still on the board? Oh God. I’m glad I’m not the one making that decision.
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 9, 2009 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
I guess what I like about Arenas...
…is what you said right here:
What I liked about him in this game was his absolutely obvious intensity and discipline: after every return, every tackle, he immediately popped up off the ground and ran off the field. This kid is the definition of “gamer” — or “baller”, if you prefer.
Maybe I put too much stock in coaching and too little in measurables, but I think the heart of a kid is the most likely indicator of future success. He seems to fit the bill: tough, smart, competitive.
I love the long term value of Haden and McClain…but the potential immediate impact on what I see as a major Broncos ill (the interior o-line, most namely protecting our non-ideally mobile QB from inside pressure) offered by Iupati has my shine right now. He seems to be a rare package and perfect fit for a scheme that requires versatility in technique.
I’m very excited about the Broncos draft flexibility this year. They should have a shot at some of the elite guys, but they can also wheel and deal and still land some quality guys. Its an enviable position, and the ramp up to the draft should be very exciting.
The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"
by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 9, 2009 2:25 PM MST up reply actions
Arenas' intensity and heart definitely impressed me
That being said, he is closer to 5’8" than 5’9" he is listed at, and his stocky build is not at all ideal for a CB. Sure, the Phonz is 5’9", but he is a ballhawk who is always around the ball and tackles very well. Arenas is not. He is a fantastic return man and is eminently coachable, though.
Honestly, I see him as more of a Bob Sanders-esque free safety than a legitimate CB. If he can improve his tackling technique, improve his blitzing methods, and put on muscle, he has the makings of a top-notch playmaking FS. If he goes to the Broncos, that is where I project him.
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 9, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
Nice work, Sharpie
I appreciate that Cody seems to be doing what I wanted him to – losing flab and showing more consistency. I’m still not convinced, but I understand that other arguments and they have merit. One thing we lack is the information that will come with a personal interview – is he bright enough? Dedicated? What’s his work ethic like? If those answers are good, he’s more interesting. Even so – I’m pretty impressed with Fields/Thomas this year, and Baker awaits in the wings. The question becomes – is Cody a huge upgrade? Is that our area of greatest need, or is he of high enough value to pass on other players and consider moving Fields or Thomas to DE? Time will tell
I like McCain a lot and I would value Haden. We will need to replace some very good CBs in the next few years and CBs usually take a few seasons to develop. I see the OL as our biggest area of need, though. FA may hold some answers – if not, I’d tend to move in the direction of a top C and a second guard, although I’m happy to say that both Polumbus and Hochstein stepped up in the past two games. Center though….I love Wiegmann on many levels, but his tie with us is limited.
I also see the need for another top quality WR, but we have a lack of info on that level, too. How is McKinley doing on the scout team? Is he progressing? Looking like he can defeat press coverage, which may be his biggest weakness? There are some big, strong WRs out there and some fast ones as well. We’re deep at the position, but could upgrade the level of quality. We still need another return guy, but I don’t see us drafting high for one. It should be a great draft year!.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
Well, we'll see on Cody, especially at Combine time
And you’re right: much of his value will be determined by the one-on-one interview. That being said, I would like very much to see him utilized as you allude to: in a 3-man rotation with Fields and Baker at NT, with Thomas moved to DE. Thomas is a natural pass-rusher, and the weight he’s put on hasn’t done him any favors. If he can lean down and bulk up, we could have a stellar interior pocket rusher to complement Doom. Then, we have Cody and Fields plugging the middle on rushing downs, effectively occupying two blockers. Rotate Baker in on passing downs to get even more pocket pressure, and I see some serious potential in that lineup.
Draft day economics will certainly play a part in our decision whether or not to draft Cody, but the best way to use him is to rotate him. Fields is a very stout guy in the middle, and the duo of Cody and Fields could serve us very well for a good while. Seeing as he’s not an every-down player, we don’t want to draft him too highly, and we certainly don’t want to ignore other areas. Still, if we can trade down into the mid-first round and get Cody, we could still get great value at the other areas. I’m certainly not in favor of taking him with a top 12 pick, and I think that he will probably be gone by the late first round (he is, after all, the only true prototypical NT in the draft).
Our best bet at C/G is likley to be a versatile guy who can fill in if need be at either spot, and solidify a definite role as time goes on. Iupati comes to mind here, as does Asamoah. Eric Olsen from Notre Dame would be a good 3/4 round prospect, as would Stefan Wisniewski.
I like Riley Cooper a lot, but he’s not projected as a return man. McKinley is supposed to be good at that, but with Royal getting better and better on ST, we haven’t really had a chance to see him shine. Maybe Josh will decide we’re all set at that slot and move on.
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
This is exactly why I don't think McD/Xanders will pick a NT or DT in the first round.
Even so – I’m pretty impressed with Fields/Thomas this year, and Baker awaits in the wings. The question becomes – is Cody a huge upgrade? Is that our area of greatest need, or is he of high enough value to pass on other players and consider moving Fields or Thomas to DE? Time will tell
We only got a glimpse of Baker in preseason and we all saw the rough edges of a rookie DT, but he wasn’t no flop either. Time will tell about him. Fields/Thomas have done a decent job for us thus far, why pay the big bucks on a draft pick you can’t or won’t use for a year or so? An elite G/C or LB’er could get immediate service. I don’t know though, what are your thoughts on that?
Baker
The only reason he is signed to our team is because if he is on our practice squad, he’d IMMEDIATELY be picked up by another team. I like what I’ve seen from him so far and think with a year of NFL practice under his belt, he’ll look pretty solid when the next season minicamps/trainingcamps start.
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
I'll talk about the NT position's future tomorrow
I can say this, though – Thomas loves being at the nose. He greatly prefers it to the DE, from what he’s said, and he’s playing it well to my eyes. I’m not sure what weaknesses you’re seeing – might telling me? I’m also one who hoped that he’d go to DE, but if he’s happy and he’s productive, so be it.
Your point on Baker is solid, but we have a pretty good three NT rotation now, if we want to got to a three man. Given our other needs, I doubt that we bother with Cody. Again – that’s not a knock, and I have seen that he’s continuing to improve, but he still hasn’t met up to our needs/costs ratio, IMO. There are few big-man NTs though -= he’ll go fairly early.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
We'll see
And God knows you are a better talent scout than I am. Still, I was much more impressed than I expected to be by Cody in a game with (arguably) the top on-field talent in college football.
Not that you would miss this point, but others might: what impressed me the most was not so much what he did (i.e., tackles, sacks, pressures, blocked field goals), but what he prevented. Namely: successful interior runs. When you eliminate a facet of an opponent’s game, it opens up so many opportunities for success.
Regarding Thomas’ prospects at DE(DG), my opinion is that all information I’ve heard about him highlights his quickness, agility, strength, and leverage are top-shelf. These all sound more like a 5-tech DE than an NT. He only has 12 tackles (no sacks, INTs, FF, etc.) compared to Fields’ 29. Is he really getting half the playing time of Fields? It’s not that I see him failing at NT, just having his natural skills underutilized.
I will plead ignorance of inside information on Thomas. I don’t really know what his happiness level is at NT. If he’s happy, and it seems to be working, why mess with a good thing? Still, I can’t shake the feeling that — like our 4-game losing stretch — we caught lightning in a bottle on the D-line this year and it will eventually escape us. That is why I want to keep a close eye on our NT/DG situation and address it next draft if the value is right. It seems I value Cody as a player a bit more than you do, so our estimations of value are likely to be different. If he is in danger of going early, there is no need to reach for him.
"I only know as much about myself as my mind can work out under its current conditions. And its current conditions are not good." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox
by Sharpe as a Tack on Dec 10, 2009 9:36 AM MST up reply actions

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