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Hello to the fine folks who frequent Mile High Report!

In case you don't know me, I'm BigBlueShoe, the head blogger over at Stampede Blue, which is a blog that covers the team your Broncos will face this Sunday, the Colts. As we've done all year, myself and several of my co-bloggers like to set up a FanPost on an upcoming opponent's fan blog so that we can answer any questions you might have about our Colts. Like you (and like John, Ted, and the rest of the MHR crew) we are fans, and we are naturally going to be a little biased towards out team. However, we'll do the best we can to give you a sense of what kind of Colts team this is, how they match-up with the Broncos, and why Raheem Brock is going to punk Darrell Reid

Gotta love Twitter trash talk.

You have a few former Colts on your team, and some of those players (Darrell Reid and Brandon Stokley) are still much beloved by Colts fans.

So, if you have questions, ask away. Either myself, shake n bake, or someone else from Stampede Blue will do their best to answer.

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Who is Raheem Brock?

Kidding, now for my serious question.

What’s been the issue with the Colts running game this year? Do teams bring in extra defensive backs because they don’t worry about the run or do they still play it honest?

Thanks for coming over and good luck

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 8, 2009 8:05 AM MST reply actions  

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Actually, despite the terrible ranking (32nd in the league), I don’t think there is an issue with the Colts running game. This is one of the are instances where rushing stats do not tell the story. For the last five weeks or so, the Colts have averaged 4.2 yards a carry, and have done an outstanding job running the ball in key situations, especially the fourth quarter.

Look at last week’s Titans game as an example. After the Titans failed to convert on fourth down in the redzone, the Colts took over on downs. They then marched 77 yards, consuming 7:23 minutes of clock while holding onto a 24-10 lead. Much of the drive involved Joseph Addai rushing against the Titans #8 rushing defense. Addai also has 9 rushing TDs on the year, placing him up there with guys like Tomlinson, Peterson, and others.

So, to be honest with you, I don’t think there is much of an issue.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 8, 2009 8:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Interesting

Thanks for the insight

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by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 8, 2009 8:38 AM MST up reply actions  

We won't break many big runs.

Donald Brown can, but he’s injured and Chad Simpson has some, but just not our MO. So we will not get many yards overall, but we’ve been much better this year than last year getting the short yardage downs. We have the fourth fewest rushing attempts per year at around 23 per game. We are also much better rushing the last five or six games than our first few games.

We’re not wonderful at rushing by any means, but we’re average. We still have 13 rushing TDs. Redzone rushing isn’t a big problem. When you’ve the number one passing team, it’s not too bad having a rushing game that’s just enough.

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

many...

but for me the most important of all is that Caldwell removed Meeks and Purnell, replacing them with Larry Coyer (D-C) and Ray Rychleski(ST-C), respectively.

Both have improved their units tremendously this season and are a huge and significant part of the Colts 12-0.

This is Caldwell team. thats a period.

by thebossuzzi on Dec 8, 2009 8:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Answer

Well, one is hiring your team’s old defensive coordinator: Larry Coyer. Coyer has been outstanding installing new “wrinkles” into Indy’s Tampa-2 defense. Many of these wrinkles have involved linebacker and safety blitzes in key situations (or, showing blitz and then backing off). The blitzes have not necessarily increased the number of sacks for the linebackers or secondary, but they have opened up the flood gates for Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis. The Colts currently are the #2 scoring defense.

The other big change was getting a new special teams coordinator, and this area is the one that has shown the most dramatic improvement. Kick and punt coverage has been excellent, and rookie punter Pat McAfee (who also handles kickoffs) has really turned into a field position weapon.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 8, 2009 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

I guess it was

the lousy players the Broncos had on D that made Coyer’s D’s such sieves when he was here. And they didn’t get many turnovers either. I like our new D much much better.

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by Trogdoor on Dec 8, 2009 4:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

Till I saw this

Coyer’s defense consistently has ranked among the NFL’s most productive during his three seasons as the Broncos’ defensive coordinator and has helped the club advance to the playoffs each year. The Broncos have placed in the league’s top-7 in run defense in every year under Coyer and have allowed an average of 93.3 rushing yards per game since 2003 to rank second in the NFL during that period.

I think it was the secondary that we all hated, giving up too many big plays by playing off the receivers. Bend but don’t break actually turned into here have a big play……

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 8, 2009 8:21 PM MST up reply actions  

player yes

but also conditioning, apparently. Too bad — I loved Coyer and his crazy schemes like that goal line formation at midfield against McNabb. Thing of glory!!

"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.

by broncosmontana on Dec 8, 2009 11:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Where is the weakness on this team (Colts)?

Do you think they will go undefeated or do you think once they have home field wrapped up they will start to rest guys?

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by Broncoman on Dec 8, 2009 9:53 AM MST reply actions  

Answer

Weakness right now is injuries to the secondary and strong side linebacker. Kelvin Hayden is returning and starting to round back into form, but our once dominant pass defense has only been sorta good the last few weeks. They’ve been giving up yards, but have still been good at redzone defense.

The other weakness mentioned is strong side linebacker. Philip Wheeler has been dog meat since taking over for Tyjuan Hagler, who is done for 2009. Wheeler was handed the starting job in camp, but lost the job in pre-season to Hagler. With Hagler out, Wheeler got his job back, but has not played well.

Yes, once homefield is wrapped up, they will rest starters. Going undefeated in the pre-season is only something the media wants. It does not help you win football games in early-mid-January, and they don’t pass out any trophies for going 16-0.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 8, 2009 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Aren't you the guy that use to come around to tell us how big of idiots we are?

The only reason I remember that is that you were so emphatic about it. I think the general vibe was that we were just a bunch of dimwits who didn’t realize the scope of the Broncos collective worthlessness and ineptitude— incompetent coach, worst draft ever, gonna be lucky to win a game type of stuff.

With that type of insight….

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by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 8, 2009 10:34 AM MST reply actions  

$10 says that he called

you guys “schmucks.”

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by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

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Yes, and you are STILL and idiot. And a schmuck. ;)

Ka-ching! Send the $10 to 1818 Big Blue Way; Indianapolis, IN 46280.

If you are referring to my bashing of the over-rated moron that was Mike Shanahan, I think the first 14 weeks of this NFL season have justified my stance somewhat. With virtually the same players on defense, Mike Nolan has done what Mike Shanahan is incapable of doing: Coach a defense. Shanahan won two Super Bowls with John Elway, and then did virtually nothing for ten years with some talented Broncos teams. He always seemed to blame others for his own coaching and managerial screw-ups (got rid of Brian Greise, got rid of Jake Plummer, got rid of Larry Coyer, got rid of Ted Sunquist, etc.). I absolutely cannot stand it when people in position os of authority screw up and then try and save their butts by blaming someone else.

For ten years, Shanahan did that.

It was never more obvious to me than in 2006 when Shana-schmuck (ka-ching!) fired Larry Coyer (a coach I liked long before he was Indy’s DC) and replaced him with the fossil known as Jim Bates. When Bates’ predictable and out-dated defense failed in Denver, Shana-schmuck (ka-ching!) fired him after just one season, replacing him with another hack whose name I don’t remember. Denver’s defense got worse until finally Pat Bowlen grew some balls and fired Shanahan.

Now, less than a year after Shanahan’s dismissal, you guys have a defense. Go fig.

All throughout Shanahan dismissal post-Elway career, fans seemed to make excuse after excuse for his obviously poor coaching and management. His nickname was “Coach Teflon” for a reason: No one ever held him accountable. Last year, someone finally did.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 8, 2009 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

And yes

I’m kidding about the idiot and scmhuck comments reflected at you. Ka-ching!

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 8, 2009 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

How many Super Bowls have the Colts won?

Don’t insult our coach, past or present. Shanny won two super bowls, yes with John Elway.

Tony Dungy won a Super Bowl, yes with Peyton Manning. It takes great players to win a Super Bowl.

Head coaches fire assistants, it happens. I guess Tony Dungy never fired anybody but he is the exception. All those assistants were paid for the following year if they were out of work too, which is high class. A lot of organizations don’t do that.

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 8, 2009 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Answer

If you are suggesting that Mike Shanahan is a better football coach than Tony Dungy, very few people will take you seriously. Shanahan has been a horrible coach for well over a decade. And I’ll insult your old coach if I damn well please, thank you. The guy won only one playoff game in the ten years following Elway’s retirement.

And to answer your question: Two. The Colts won Super Bowl 5 and Super Bowl 41.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 8, 2009 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL

So you have as many titles as we do…except our two BOTH came in the past decade.

You need to get a clue about coaching…yes it was right to get rid of Shanahan, but he is a superb coach and absolutely could be in a conversation about being better than Tony Dungy.

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by sadaraine on Dec 8, 2009 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Your last one was in 1999

That’s the only one in the last decade. =P

by hoosierdore on Dec 8, 2009 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Not even...

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by orange&blue_aussie on Dec 8, 2009 8:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I am not suggesting that anyone is better

What I am saying is that just because Shanny won his two with Elway doesn’t diminish the accomplishment for the same reason we don’t diminish Dungy for winning with Manning. I’ll go back to it, you need great players to win super bowls. Shanahan and Dungy were fortunate to both benefited from coaching hall of fame cornerbacks.

I am not going to get into criticizing Dungy.

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 8, 2009 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know where BBS is

coming from, but I always thought that Mike Shanahan was one of the best coaches in the NFL. Of course, I don’t follow the Broncos closely, so I don’t know any of the details, but he always seemed good.

And you make a good point on not criticizing him for winning it with Elway. Winning a Super Bowl takes more than just a great quarterback.

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by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I do agree with Big Blue about Shanahan's questionable asst coach

moves though, in his last few years at least. Though Coyer has been much better with the Colts than with Denver, and I don’t recall missing him much when he left, Bates was a bad hire, and Coyer needed some better players, too. That said I think Shanahan WAS a great coach but he kind of lost it his last few years, and shouldn’t have had as much power as I did. The team is organized much better right now.

And I think Dungy was a great coach for many reasons, too. I guess I just don’t like grand pronouncements about coaches or players.

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by underdog on Dec 8, 2009 5:39 PM MST up reply actions  

as *he* did

lol. I don’t think I had any power with the Broncos, probably a good thing.

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by underdog on Dec 8, 2009 5:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Shanahan the GM got Shanahan the HC fired

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by weazel on Dec 8, 2009 9:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Shanahan the HC

Was to controlling to let his coordinators and position coaches do their job. Shanahan seemed not value strong leadership as well. Which led to 3 years of absolute horrible defenses.

I do not like other people coming in to beat up anything about the Broncos but I made a similar point about Shanny myself. He couldn’t build a new team. He only added to what he inherited and then when John left, he became quite mortal again.

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Dec 9, 2009 7:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Hey Big Blue

You are entiteld to an opinion of a coach, but you should not be surpised at anything that came your way after this comment (ie, about insulting an opponents ex-coach on their own site). It’s not so much the content as the tone. At the least, it would be considered baiting. I happen to agree that Shanny was not the coach the last few years that he was early on, but that’s MY team, and I still respect what he did for us.
If Manning ends up playing less well near the end of his career or due to injury, it would make no sense to denegrate him as a overall as a QB because the latter performances were not up to prior standards. Just sayin".

by idahobronc on Dec 8, 2009 5:07 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

no need to end that with 'just sayin''

he knows it was baiting, that’s the whole goal. It’s pseudo-trollish behavior designed to make him feel more superior about himself and all his accumulated knowledge of football greatness.
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by Drizzt396 on Dec 8, 2009 6:06 PM MST up reply actions  

heck, i love your sig's.

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by Jay Fin Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 9:29 AM MST up reply actions  

"Answer: I am a douche."

Wow, are we playing the chargers next weekend? I enjoyed reading some of John (ignoramus)’s threads more than this.

Let’s look at their overall contributions to the sport:
Dungy: ground-breaking SB win, tampa-2 (kinda), ?
Shanahan: two SB wins with the greatest QB ever past his prime, bringing back running-by-committee (as well as having a 1000-yd rusher in 11/14 seasons)

note: zone-blocking is not shanny’s pet scheme. that would be Gibbs’s (now with NO)

Let’s call the superbowls a wash. So let’s compare the two systems on which they built their empires in terms of how widely imitated they are today (after all, it’s a league of imitation so your system’s level of success determines how widely imitated it is):
Tampa-2—not really used by anyone who didn’t originate in the tampa coaching tree, very easy to beat if the ridiculously gifted personnel needed to fill key positions aren’t there
Running-by-committee—used by almost every single team in the league. Even future-hofers like LDT have a change of pace guy on the committee.

I’m glad the guy who runs my Broncos-blog-of-choice isn’t such an ignorant, arrogant a-hole. You reflect on your blog and greater Colt fan-dom as a whole when you come on here and run your fingers like that. As such, I now could care less about what you think about your team.

Thanks Bena et al. for being so much better than this!

P.S. I can’t wait for a rejuvenated Mastermind to return to the scene next year and prove how wrong you are.

Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.

Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.

by Drizzt396 on Dec 8, 2009 5:54 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Yes John is the best

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Dec 9, 2009 7:07 AM MST up reply actions  

+20000000000

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by BroncoSense72 on Dec 9, 2009 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Shanahan was a good coach but a poor general manager

As the guys from the 1997-98 team aged or moved on, the replacements became progressively less talented in the core, non-sexy positions (linemen and LBs). And defense was never his thing, which ultimately proved to be his undoing.

By the time he was fired, it really was time. But I also wouldn’t be surprised if he gets another gig and is successful – sometimes new scenery and new talent just works out better.

by ClarkFan on Dec 12, 2009 6:01 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Perfectly said

Shanny the GM sunk Shanny the coach.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 13, 2009 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

sort of.......
With virtually the same players on defense, Mike Nolan has done what Mike Shanahan is incapable of doing: Coach a defense

While I agree with the part about Nolan doing a good job, I couldn’t disagree more to the “virtually the same players on defense”. Have you seen the new defense? DJ, Champ, Doom are the only returning starters. Peterson was on the squad, last year, but wasn’t a starter on Dline like he is now. So, we are talking about over half of the defense being completely new to the organization.

Admittedly, Shanahan could not draft or pick up defensive FAs to save his life. McDaniels and Xanders cleaned house in the offseason and brought in a great group of defensive players. So, I’d give more credit to McD/Xanders doing better at bringing in defensive talent than Shanahan did, instead of giving Nolan more credit, as a defensive coordinater, over Mike Shanahan, the Head coach. Nolan still deserves credit for the scheme, no doubt, but he didn’t make the roster decisions to bring in defensive playmakers.

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 10:55 AM MST up reply actions   4 recs

Virtually the same players on defense

Basically the only same players on defense are Champ Bailey and DJ Williams, while I agree Shanahan had issues with DC, why we fired Coyer I still have no idea. But I think his greater failing was in getting personnel, especially in the draft on defense. I have to disagree with your assement of him being a bad coach, he had a top offensive team for many years and Josh McDaniels inheritiated a lot of great players on offense and has struggled for the most part (exception of the last two weeks) in having a proficient offense.

The hack you are reffering to is Slowvik.

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by Broncoman on Dec 8, 2009 12:14 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously

His name was Slowvik?

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 8, 2009 1:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Odd how people's

names seem to fit them a lot, isn’t it?

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by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Must be a different guy.

I didn’t start coming around here until post-Shanahan. However, I would be honored for that particular dude to view me as an idiot and a scmhuck.

Sorry if I got it wrong.

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Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
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by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 8, 2009 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I remember at least one 'boys guy that just kept at it.

Do you tink that is why the football gods made their record worse than ours?

by idahobronc on Dec 8, 2009 6:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Same players on D????
With virtually the same players on defense, Mike Nolan has done what Mike Shanahan is incapable of doing: Coach a defense.

We only have 3 starters on D that were starters on last years D…Dumervil, DJ Williams, and Champ.

New starters:
FS Dawkins, SS Renaldo Hill, CB Andre Goodman, ILB Andre Davis, NT Ronald Fields, DE Ryan McBean, OLB Mario Haggan & DE Kenny Peterson (Haggan & Peterson were backups for us last year, all other starters are new to this team).

We also have a new Nickel CB Ty Law, a new Dime CB rookie A. Smith, and several other new backups that weren’t Broncos last year: OLB D. Reid, OLB R. Ayers, DE L. Smith, DE V. Holliday, FS D. McBath, & SS D. Bruton.

Overall we have 15 players on D that are new this year compared to 9 holdover’s from last year. That’s a turnover of 60%. Hardly “virtually the same players on D as last year”.

I won’t argue that Shanny was great on the D side of the ball and I love Nolan as our DC but there was a major overhaul on the D by the new regime and it was merited. A majority of the players we released from last year did not find themselves on other teams. There was a serious lack of talent on last years D. Shanny the GM was not good at assembling talent on D and he got axed because of it.

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by c_style on Dec 8, 2009 11:21 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

how do you guys feel about your pass defense?

what about the running game? what’s up with donald brown?

by RockyMountainHigh on Dec 8, 2009 12:13 PM MST reply actions  

I can handle this one:

1. The Colts pass defense is very good and should get better. While many people cite our “young secondary” as reasons to doubt our pass D, the fact is that CB Jerraud Powers (3rd round pick), CB Jacob Lacey (undrafted rookie), FS Antoine Bethea (veteran who should go to the Pro Bowl this year), and SS Melvin Bullitt (little known but great player) have all been excellent this season, and they have a lot of experience now with that secondary in particular. Even better is that our best corner (Kelvin Hayden) came back on a limited basis last week and should play the whole game against the Broncos. So while we’ll give up some yards to guys like Randy Moss and Andre Johnson (and who doesn’t?), this is turned into an excellent pass D that I have full confidence in.

2. Our running game can best be described as efficient. Our starting RB, Joseph Addai, is having a fantastic year where he is converting about every 3rd and 1 or 2 that comes his way. He has become very hard to tackle at the line-of-scrimmage/backfield, and almost always falls forward when tackled. Also, Addai loves scoring touchdowns. There must be some magnetic force attracting him to the endzone. So, he’s a very shifty back who can get the tough yards, but he won’t gash you for 20+ yards. He doesn’t have that kind of 2nd gear.

About the other running backs, I wouldn’t worry about them. You’ll probably only see them for 3-10 snaps, and it’s nothing spectacular.

3. Donald Brown is……..what’s the phrase?……….perpetually injured. He got hurt against the Rams a long time ago (shoulder injury), then he has suffered at least 2 other injuries in the meantime. It’s becoming hard to keep track. I would be shocked if he played against the Broncos, and I’m beginning to doubt he’ll play the rest of the season. It’s not looking good.

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by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I love that word..."IF". It lays so much doubt in one's mind.
If the Indianapolis Colts beat Denver on Sunday for their record-setting 22nd consecutive regular-season victory, they also will clinch the AFC’s top seed and home-field advantage throughout the playoffs.

This game coming up has a couple of things of importance for the Colts.

 1) “IF” they win this game they will be the only team in history to win 22 in a row. That would be a spectacular fete especially in front of the home crowd. Plus, it would be done by a rookie head coach (Caldwell). He would go down in history as one of the great one’s and put a notch in his resume for the Hall. Outstanding and my hat’s off to him. Plus, it would put Manning in a caliber of quarterbacks not yet matched. Outstanding again. But, will that be in the plans for this game? Not sure.

 2) “IF” they win this game the Colts will be the top seed in the AFC during the playoffs with home field advantage throughout. Now your talking. The team wouldn’t have to go play in a hostile environment, they would be in the comforts of their “dome”…Heated and fan supported, now this is very important and may be the plan to win this game. But, they don’t have to win this game to be the top seed, there will be 3 games left to make that determination. So winning this game may not be all that important to the head coach.

What is important is the fact of playing Jacksonville on Thursday evening just 4 days after the Broncos game. Manning and company won’t have much time to recover from a hard fought game. Note what happened to the Giants after playing Atlanta on Sunday before heading to Denver on Thanksgiving day. Ouch. So, here we go, where are the priorities of the Colts? Do they want this history making event more than they want to beat the Jaguars? Don’t know. One could only speculate, I would think they are going to focus on Thursday if the game get’s out of hand.

And for everyone’s information, the Colts have only played against two (2) division leader this year (New England and Arizona), so I wouldn’t say they have had a very hard schedule. New England gave that one to the Colts with the bumbling HC call and Arizona was struggling to win anything at that time. On the other hand the Broncos have played and beat four (4) division leaders thus far this season (Cincinnati, Dallas, New England and SanDiego), so I wouldn’t go hoisting the Lombardi trophy just yet. You see, the Broncos started their season on Thanksgiving night blasting a team who most thought were going to throttle us…Oops. We can’t afford to lose any more games if we want to play after Jan 3rd, so I would say the Broncos are more desperate to win than the Colts are at this point.

And by the way, you should be the one asking us questions, not the other way around. See ya Sunday.

by bfree2bronc on Dec 8, 2009 1:52 PM MST reply actions  

you're going to discount the Colts win over the Pats and Cards

but not expand at all on the win over Cincy or how bad the Chargers were early in the year when you beat them (plus that you lost to them in your last meeting)?

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

What I am saying is this,

we lost 3 games to playoff contenders…Pittsburg, Baltimore and San Diego. Undeniably the Colts schedule this year has help them be 12-0. They have won nearly or 1/2 their games by only 4 points. So you tell me? And back to my point, you ask the questions because I don’t see any reason why we don’t win this game. If worrying about Manning and his one demensional offense is such a great threat then we will see come Sunday. The Colts are the ones under the pressure cooker here, not the Broncos, so they better bring their “A” game if they want to make history, we won’t be your doormat I assure you that.

by bfree2bronc on Dec 8, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

if you look past a simple stat like total yards you'll see the O is less one dimentional than you think

they aren’t terrible by YPC and around the middle of the league or better than average at more in-depth stats like DVOA, and success rate as well as better than average at converting short yardage on the ground.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

also bfree i got to say your wrong about who is under the pressure cooker as you say

for us this game doesn’t have a ton of meaning to our playoff hopes which is top priority but for you it has every meaning. if you lose sunday then your in big trouble of not making the playoffs. and our schedule hasn’t been any easier than yours has

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 4:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually

This is the one game we could lose, if we beat you then we could lose to Philly. We can pretty easily afford one loss and make the playoffs.
As for strength of schedule and point differential, the only real value there is for us fans and in my book ( closet colts fan) I think Indy has struggled more to win games. Even with a terrible four game skid, when the Broncos have won, for the most part, the wins have been decisive.

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 8, 2009 8:42 PM MST up reply actions  

True

But we can win out and still not get the division. SD will likely win out and we lose the tie breaker. I could happen but not very likely in my opinion. I was just replying to your statement that we would “be in big trouble” with a loss.

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 8, 2009 9:22 PM MST up reply actions  

me either

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Dec 9, 2009 7:10 AM MST up reply actions  

"and our schedule hasn’t been any easier than yours has"

I’m sorry could you please clarify?

Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal.

by MrFNSunshine on Dec 9, 2009 1:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Schedule

Indy’s wins against winning teams:
Jax, AZ, NE (Balt. and Mia are at .500)

Denver’s wins against winning teams:
Cincy, SD, Dallas, NE, NYG (Also played Pitt, Balt @ .500 and lost to SD)

So, Denver’s schedule has included 6 games against teams with winning records, 2 against teams at .500.
Indy’s schedule has included 3 games against teams with winning records, 2 against teams at .500.

Does that clarify?

Hang on folks, road's a little bumpy in these spots.

by pubkeeper on Dec 9, 2009 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

but not all sub-500 teams are created equal

Indy has played six, 5-7 teams. Ten/Hou x2, Sea and SF. The Rams are the only team they’ve played with less than 5 wins.

Denver has played the 1-11 Browns, the 3-9 Chiefs, 3-9 Redskins and 4-8 Raiders.

Indy has played a great team, a couple good ones, a lot of mediocre teams, a one terrible team.

Denver has a much more varied schedule. More very good opponents, but more scrubs as well.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

And that's why FO ranks Denver's schedule below the Colts.

If you look at the win total of the teams we’ve faced, Denver has about a 4 win advantage. Seeing as we’ve given the teams we’ve faced four more losses than you have, the schedules are pretty much even.

Denver’s schedule has been impressive and your quality wins are even more impressive, but all in all, it’s not like we’ve played scrubs.

I concede that your schedule is tougher than ours (even if the schedule ranking sites don’t say it,) but being 12-0 against a decent schedule is still impressive.

by diagenesis on Dec 9, 2009 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Being 12-0

Even if Indy somehow played only the cellar-dwellers in the league, standing at 12-0 is indeed impressive and nothing to shy away from. People are quick to discount the Broncos win at Cincy on opening day, but a W is a W, no apologies.

Sorry if you didn’t get it from my earlier post, but I have nothing but respect for the Colts. Even on an off-day (for them), they can still pull it out with Manning at the helm. He’s just flat-out amazing.

Hang on folks, road's a little bumpy in these spots.

by pubkeeper on Dec 9, 2009 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I know....

I had to laugh at that one….the Colts ‘are the ones under the pressure cooker here’ I mean,….how do you even respond to that? They’re 12-0.

by Ayrshire on Dec 11, 2009 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd reverse the "pressure cooker" idea

The Broncos need the game, the Colts really don’t – odds are they have home field even if they lose tomorrow. Hungry can be useful in motivation.

by ClarkFan on Dec 12, 2009 6:15 PM MST up reply actions  

bfree,

why would the colts care more about Jacksonville that us?

they only need to win one more game regardless of where it comes from, the that same argument could just as easily be turned around to say that they will lay it all on the line against the broncos, not caring if they’re rested for Jacksonville

by bailey disciple on Dec 8, 2009 5:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Whats going to happen to Bob Sander's

When healthy he is phenominal but he seems to always be on IR. Is his career pretty much done in Indy, since yall seem so high on his replacement.

Never give in, never give in

by alacumba!! on Dec 8, 2009 2:07 PM MST reply actions  

he actually gets cheaper next year, so he'll be back for sure

but after that it’ll depend on next year’s performance since his salary starts to shoot up over the rest of his deal.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Is Bulleit (not sure if i spelt that right)

his replacement? Whats your assesment on him, and would you prefer he goes to the bench if Sanders is brought back?

Never give in, never give in

by alacumba!! on Dec 8, 2009 2:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Bullitt

we didn’t really get a chance to see what they were going to do with all three of their top safeties healthy, but last year they ran a big nickel with them much of the year. Bullitt with probably the 3rd or 4th best DB on the team so they need to find ways to use him. I think the big nickel will be a part of that.

Throwing an added wrinkle but Bethea (the FS) and Bullitt’s contracts are up. Bullitt will be an RFA no matter what. Bethea will be a RFA only if the cap comes off. I expect an extension for Bethea and a high tender on Bullitt.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

jeez

grammar much Shake?

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

..............

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Heh

I have that pic up on my computer (as an editor at work, it’s a good reminder that I, too, sometimes need the SpellcheckCat)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Dec 8, 2009 5:41 PM MST up reply actions  

congrats this Ask a Colts Fan is on my worse Top 3 list this season

Some of the comments and posts on this thread and some other fanposts here sounds like many of you think your team is the one 12-0. Good luck!

by thebossuzzi on Dec 8, 2009 2:28 PM MST reply actions  

???

You expect people to bow and pay homage to you just because you are 12 – 0? This is Broncos Country you are in and we just came off two wins…why in the world would you expect anything BUT confidence from us?

Also, from what I’ve read it looks like most of us think we CAN win, not that we have it in the bag. Maybe I’m seeing it through my own more moderate-opinioned glasses…

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Dec 8, 2009 2:30 PM MST up reply actions  

No, I don't.

Of course you should have confidence in your team and winning 2 in a row is great.

I do think dismissing us by saying we’ve faced less division leading opponents is a little silly. We didn’t make the schedule. We’ve not lost to a division leader either like the Broncos have. All of the teams we’ve faced except St. Louis have at least five wins now. 11 out of the 12 teams are competitive teams, that’s not bad. Dismissing our Arizona game saying Arizona wasn’t playing well then is also silly seeing as how we crushed them after only 6 days on back to back night ROAD games. We went to Miami played in a crazy humid tiring game and then traveled to Arizona.

You should have hope and believe you can win, but not my putting down our 12 wins. 12 wins is 12 wins. We have had our share of injuries and bad luck just like all the other teams around the league. We’ve had some good luck as well just like the other teams. Other teams besides the Saints have managed to lose, we haven’t.

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I didn't do that

Don’t put one persons words in the mouths of a whole group of people.

At the beginning of the season EVERYONE was giving us flak about out schedule and how we “hadn’t beaten anyone yet” when we were 2 – 0, then 3 – 0, then 4 – 0, etc. It gets old. I’m totally with you on that point…people pointing out schedule strength is weak. You guys are 12 – 0 which is way sick…much respect from me. W – L are the only statistics that TRULY mean anything in the NFL…save all the rest of the stats stuff for interesting discussions.

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Dec 8, 2009 4:14 PM MST up reply actions  

People were saying the exact same things

about us at about the same time. Know how you feel there.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 4:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Confidence

thats fair, but after reading some fanposts here and some of the adjectives used for the colts it just felt bad in my stomach. But hey! the really loud Lucas Oil Stadium will be ready to cheer for the “walking on egg shells”, “living on the edge” with a “putrid and inept rushing offence”, “very mediocre defense” and “really lucky to be undefeated” Colts. Good Luck!

by thebossuzzi on Dec 8, 2009 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Just consider the source

If you want flowery sparkling adjectives for your team, go read stuff on Stampede Blue.

That being said, all the adjectives in the world mean nothing. We’ll see this weekend which team wins and which team loses. Good luck to you too! I hope for a great game and no injuries for either team!

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Dec 8, 2009 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

man dont start that if you think SB is bad you dont go to any other sites probalby because

we are not all one sided we give our players and teams plenty of flack when they deserve it

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 5:04 PM MST up reply actions  

It wasn't a comment being negative about SB

It was a comment about what to expect here…this is Bronco Country. We are going to be kind to our team generally and give them a chance against anyone. I have been around other SBN sites and I know there are some junk ones out there.

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Dec 9, 2009 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm joining this late, but...

I immediately felt myself getting defensive when one of the ‘guests’ here started immediately taking shots at a coach many of us hold in high regard for bringing us Super Bowls (even if he couldn’t put a good D on the field in the last several years). I know everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but that just seemed out of place and counter-productive, in my eyes.

Not saying that’s an excuse for people taking shots at the Colts record, because 12-0 speaks for itself. But hopefully you can also recognize that we will defend ours, as you will defend yours. And hopefully we can agree that “living on the edge” and “lucky to be undefeated” are not all that bad as far as comments go. The Colts have had to come back in the 4th several times, and that seems like living on the edge to me. And as for being “lucky to be undefeated,” ANY team that makes it to 12-0 has had to have encountered some good luck along the way, no? Not saying that’s the biggest reason they are undefeated (that would be # 18), but luck does have to factor into it.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:10 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

yep those arent that bad

Is not the words, is how we use them and what we mean to say , as far as the coach comments from BBS think he was speaking about some previous argument before the season , i think he tried to roll with what your guy asked him.

But hey lets turn this thing around and talk football, what you think?

by thebossuzzi on Dec 8, 2009 6:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Hmmm, I though you liked ranking sites more.

OK….. now that that is out of my system, football it is. 6:33 PM MTN Time, and I am a REFORMED MAN!.

by idahobronc on Dec 8, 2009 6:34 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

fair

and to be clear i was ranking the “ask a colts fan” weekly segment not the site, sorry if i was misinterpreted

by thebossuzzi on Dec 8, 2009 6:39 PM MST up reply actions  

It's easy to be arrogant when you're 12-0

Takes a lot more talent to be arrogant at 8-4.

Broncos are going to take out the Colts, the National Deficit, and Al Qaida on Sunday!

Lock it!

by Velveeta on Dec 8, 2009 7:25 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis

by hoosier in sodak on Dec 8, 2009 8:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm with you, Velveeta.

I am a little disappointed in some of our MHR folks, but to each his own. Some of this is classless and pointless. We are playing the team that has come back many times against opponents that get overconfident with a 2- or 3- TD lead DURING THE GAME! It seems like we could have the Colts by 5 TDs, and if we give Manning the ball at the 2 minute warning, we would lose. This would be a tough game if it were in Denver. But it’s in INDY. I agree it shouldn’t be a cakewalk., but I sure hope the Broncos don’t take INDY as lightly as some of these overconfident fans. This should be a slugfest. If we go into it with that mindset, we COULD eke out a win.

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Dec 8, 2009 9:54 PM MST up reply actions  

On the other hand....

Should we…or fans of any team…ever go into a week saying, “Oh no, the Colts!!!! We’re going to lose by 40!!!”?

I think not.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 10:07 PM MST up reply actions  

No, of course not. Obviously the Broncos are a great team. McDaneils brings a lot of energy to the game.

And still I’ve yet to see a Colts fan come here and say we’re going to crush you or anything like that. Perhaps a few have said they felt good about our chances. We can feel good about our chances, can’t we? We have a great team that never gives up. They fight like nobody else to win all while remaining calm and composed. They’re fun to root for. They have a lot to play for this weekend. Broncos will be a tough test.

The comments regarding Shanahan were by one person, that’s all. I don’t agree with them as I loved your SB teams and I liked him as a coach for many years. I can see why the organization let him go, but I still think he has something left to contribute as a coach somewhere.

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 11:50 PM MST up reply actions  

absolutely agree

I think many here are still a little sensitive about getting kicked to the playoff curb by Peyton so many times. The truth is you guys have a marquee team that is extremely persistent and envied throughout the league — a feeling we once had but have been trying to get back for ten years.

The thing that stands out to me is that this weekend two teams face each other that are just relentless and passionate playing football. You are confident in your team, we’re confident in ours. No pushovers in Indy this weekend and may the best team win. Win or lose, this should be a fun one and will tell us a lot about both teams’ true playoff readiness.

"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.

by broncosmontana on Dec 8, 2009 11:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Pride commeth before the fall.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Who are the other two?

I bet that first Houston game is on the top. They were the worst fans we dealt with this year.

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Houston is #1

Hard to exchange opinions when there is no respect for a one of the Teams

by thebossuzzi on Dec 8, 2009 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Pats week has actually turned into the best week.

Well, the Rams weren’t bad, but they were the Rams… so…

Sorry, this all very OT.

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

They're 1-15 against the Colts.....

kind of does a number on ya after a while…..I suppose.

by Ayrshire on Dec 11, 2009 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, the losses that we have had this season have come from teams with a very strong interior defensive line.

It seems that the middle of our line is the weak spot and when teams exploit it, the broncos struggle offensively. The colts don’t have that. So, our offense should be right on track all day.

The real question is can our defense stop or slow down your offense? The reason that many are confident at MHR is because some people think that the broncos matchup well, where other opponents that you have faced have not. The Broncos have a good secondary and can rush the passer extremely well.

It seems the defense goes as the offense goes. If the offense struggles, the defense stays on the field and gets tired and gives up long drives. If the offense is playing well and running the ball effectively, the defense is well rested and plays extremely well.

Doom should be able to run wild, especially knowing that Peyton will be in the pocket in the same location all day, as opposed to Flacco or Big ben or Cassel, who move the pocket and extend plays.

So, sure, we aren’t undefeated like the colts. However, we have every right to be confident about this game because we know where our strengths are and believe that the team can succeed on sunday.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Just a small correction:

I think you’re confusing Peyton’s inability to run out of the pocket with his maneuvering inside the pocket. Peyton is excellent at stepping up in the pocket or shifting to his left or right to buy some more time. He certainly won’t be “in the pocket in the same location all day.”

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

No, I'm not confusing that.

I realize that Peyton feels pressure and moves in the pocket, but the amount of ground he can cover during one play is not sideline to sideline. Guys who escape pressure add seconds to plays. Guys who move in the pocket add half seconds to plays. He might buy a tad bit more time by stepping up or sidestepping pressure, but that pressure won’t go away against Denver.

The defense can count on him being somewhere in the pocket, as opposed to QBs like Roethlisberger who could be anywhere between the sidelines during a play.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Got ya.

Thanks for the clarification. It sounded like you thought Peyton was a statue back there, which has been (incorrectly) said in the past.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

It was a good point, though.

Some of us have talked about Kyle Orton being a (very) poor man’s Peyton Manning in that regard. Not going to be confused with Randall Cunningham anytime soon, but is usually very good at moving within the pocket to extend plays.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Orton

Except last week, that is. For some reason, he had no feel for the rush against KC.

Hang on folks, road's a little bumpy in these spots.

by pubkeeper on Dec 9, 2009 2:21 PM MST up reply actions  

?????? thebossuzzi

I went over to their site; could not find that he had commented or posted recently. I think we have somebody trying to just stir the pot, probably not representative of the Blue Stampede. I am going to ignore him.

by idahobronc on Dec 8, 2009 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

good call. Will do.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 2:46 PM MST up reply actions  

whoops,

I saw this after I had already responded.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't judge

everything, Broncos fans nor this thread based on a few comments (especially ones that were part of a back and forth exchange between two biased sets of fans) ;-) Should read all MHR posts and comments to see the kind of diverse and often very intelligent community we have here, just I have done with yours.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Dec 8, 2009 5:42 PM MST up reply actions  

A simple look

at events for this team since the end of last year, expectations, add in results. Wouldn’t you be about as high as a kite for your team? What do you want from us anyway with your BBS dude coming in here and mouthing off about our SB winning HC and badmouthing our team. Are we supposed to thank you for deigning to come in here and give us your wisdom on how you are going to beat us???

WT#!

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 8, 2009 8:47 PM MST up reply actions  

What does a Colt have in Common with a Bolt?

They are both going exactly no where in the playoffs…

I too dabbled in pacifism once...

by waltersobchakbronco on Dec 8, 2009 2:34 PM MST reply actions  

I was going to say that the last three letters are the same.........

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Is that a question for us Colts fans?

Then I would say, not very much. We’re very different teams and we’ll play you very differently.

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

did I just imagine this then?

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

memories,,,,

enjoy them- they are special…

I too dabbled in pacifism once...

by waltersobchakbronco on Dec 8, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

How many superbowl wins do you guys have in 2009?

Well, golly. That’s the same as the broncos……….

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Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

unrelated point is unrelated

the implication was that SB contention was in the past, I disputed that by pointing out the Colts are still performing at an elite level.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Got it. I should have replied to your superbowl picture. My bad.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, I guess that's true in a sense.

The Bolts will probably lose first round and the Colts will have home field throughout the playoffs so will only have to travel if they go to the Super Bowl.

by Dwhite on Dec 8, 2009 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Only thing that would make

it better is if this was 2012. Then they wouldn’t even have to travel to the Super Bowl.

Hooray for laziness!

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by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

I always have had a secret wish that we could host a Super Bowl, out in the elements you know. But it will never happen because you can’t count on the weather and because Tom Clancy wrote a book about Denver hosting a Super Bowl and nuclear bomb exploding at it.

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 8, 2009 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

What book?

I’m really looking forward to the 2012 season. What a treat that would be…

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Sum of all Fears

They changed the location to Washington D.C. for the movie version but in the book it’s Denver. It be kind of neat to see a team go to a Super Bowl in their home town, especially to see how they handle it. Of course I’d prefer the Broncos to go but I have always had immense respect for the Colts

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 8, 2009 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Geez, I forgot about that book.

Doomed for sure, even if we put up a dome!

by idahobronc on Dec 8, 2009 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Flagged - no need to go there

let them make themselves look bad with how overconfident they seem

by withersbronco on Dec 9, 2009 9:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Again, trolling

The only overconfident jack-off in this whole thread is you, big boy.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 10, 2009 7:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Okay, back to serious questions.

How are the colts linebackers? I am familiar with Brackett, but I don’t know about the others. Can you explain some of their strengths and weaknesses so I know what to look for on sunday?

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 2:45 PM MST reply actions  

Session has been a beast

just like last year he changed positions and took a while to settle in, but after that he was great. He’s been very strong against the run and is a good cover guy.

Tyjuan Hagler was the starter on the other side, but got hurt is now on IR, he was playing great though. Phillip Wheeler is his replacement. Wheeler is still pretty raw. He was a great pass rusher in college and the Colts have used him as a rush end in depth emergencies. He’s still polishing his zone coverage skills and gets a bit overaggressive in the run game and out of position. In short he’s a first time starter still settling in, but a very talented guy.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

how is Freddy Keiaho doing?

not important really, but he’s from my home town and I haven’t watched any colts games this year. I guess I could ask one of my friends, but they wouldn’t offer an appropriate level of football-knowledge answer.

by BroncoInExile on Dec 9, 2009 4:43 AM MST up reply actions  

he's the backup MLB this year

filled in for Gary Brackett earlier in the season very well. If Brackett goes down again it might not be fatal to the D now the Freddy has spent all year at MLB, instead of having to slide over from WILL like they tried last year with disastrous results.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 8:29 AM MST up reply actions  

I appreciate the answer. Thanks! :)

I know he’s a little bit light at LB, but he’s passionate and hard working.

by BroncoInExile on Dec 9, 2009 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

I've got a good question,

and I’ll ask it over here since the one over at Stampede blue is buried.

What did you guys think of Bob Kravitz (the columnist, to jog your memory) when he covered the Broncos back in the 1990’s? Did you like his columns? We have had him for a while now at the Indy Star and hate him. You can have him back if you want him.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 3:11 PM MST reply actions  

Good call.

I’d do that in a second.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

You think Kravitz is bad?

Let me introduce you to Mark Kizla. There used to be a guy name Bernie Lincicome who was awful too but he got cut when the Rocky Mountain News folded

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 8, 2009 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Hmm.. are they like a hurricane on your parade?

Because Kravitz is like a tsunami and a hurricane combined on your parade.

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

He's a coach ballwasher

Jim O’Brien, Bill Lynch, Hope at Purdue, if they coach bad teams, he loves them.

"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."

by Colts Homer on Dec 8, 2009 8:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Kravitz

is pretty awful, I’m amazed in this day and age he still has a job. I am genuinely sorry for you guys… (But then, as noted here, Broncos fans still have our own share of crummy columnists. Though at least Jeff Legwold is with the Post now.)

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by underdog on Dec 8, 2009 5:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Kravitz sucks.

Sometimes I think Denver is the farm club for crappy sportswriters. We also “lost” Jay Mariotti to Chicago. It’s not a problem though, we seem to be able to grow them on trees. As was mentioned by RockyMountainThunder, Lincicome is the worst I’ve ever read, closely followed by Kizla. Kravitz would be a breath of fresh air…

by oxmouth on Dec 8, 2009 6:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Are you saying

That Woodrow couldn’t even be crappy right, so he got sent back to the farm club? ;-)

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:49 PM MST up reply actions  

lol. exactly.

actually, i personally think woody’s a different case. i’ve kind of grown to mildly like him. not so much as a great sportswriter but more of, mm… well, "he’s not a great mascot but he’s our mascot’’ kind of cartoon character. y’know, he’s sort of goofy and harmless and not as acerbic and sensationally provocative as those other hacks.

by oxmouth on Dec 8, 2009 7:02 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

haahhhahaah

VERY well put! He’s like that weird uncle you kind of feel sorry for, and you know will always say one or two pretty funny things at dinner, so you keep inviting him over…

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 7:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought Kravitz was Great in Denver

No histrionics. No word play. I still remember the excellent column he wrote when Jim Grey was mocked for asking Pete Rose actual questions in a sideline interview. He basically pointed out the way that the big money owning media outlets had corrupted the content and made it bland and risk adverse. Really good stuff.

Also, when the Broncos drafted Lennie Friedman (in the second round — three months after winning their 2nd superbowl, they had a 1st rounder, 2 2nd rounders and 2 3rd rounders, and converted them into one NFL-caliber player), he called him “already my mom’s favorite player.” Good stuff.

by Chibronx on Dec 9, 2009 8:18 AM MST up reply actions  

We don't really crush any one...

we’ve been described as getting your tooth pulled really.

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

No Novacain though.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Translation

We have a surgical offense and are the envy of the league…worship us mortals.

by withersbronco on Dec 9, 2009 9:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Ummmmmmm............

Why are you going through this thread and putting words into people’s mouth? That’s not at all what diagenesis said. Is there any purpose to this?

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 10, 2009 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

How are we pompous asses?

I don’t think a single one of us has even said anything like we’ll crush you or that we will win a w/o a doubt. Hmm..

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

don't worry about him

he thinks the Colts win over the Pats doesn’t really count, but is happy to count the win over Cincy on a freak tip play as totally legit.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

That game was in the bag anyway...

Were it not for that tip, Marshall was in position for the catch on the sideline. So the Broncos would have been on their 40 with 22 seconds left and a time out, needing only a field goal.

So while the Immaculate Deflection may have been a miracle, the Broncos victory wasn’t.

by Velveeta on Dec 8, 2009 7:40 PM MST up reply actions  

It wasn't a miracle anyway.

It was a lucky bounce on which a vet WR made a series of great football plays. People keep talking about that play like lucky bounces don’t happen all the time in football. The good players and teams make the most of them. Calling it a miracle, fluke, etc takes away from the fact that Stokley 1.) concentrated on the ball, 2.) made the catch, 3.) knew where he was and where the clock was at 4.) RAN, not giving up on the play, 5.) had presence of mind to burn the clock.

I would hope Colts fans above all others would recognize that play for what it really was. A lucky bounce, yes. A series of great, heads up decisions by Stokes after that, yes.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 8:05 PM MST up reply actions  

oh, and 6.)

Scored the game-winning TD! That play was the epitome of not giving up on a play until the whistle. It should be required viewing for high school players everywhere.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 8:06 PM MST up reply actions  

7.) ex-colt

trained to play focus, last week garcon cought one off a deflection as well, focus is key

by thebossuzzi on Dec 8, 2009 8:09 PM MST up reply actions  

False, Seven is reserved for Elway on this site.

You can use 8 if you want to.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 8:30 PM MST up reply actions  

point taken!

You are what your record says you are, especially this late in the season.

by idahobronc on Dec 8, 2009 8:13 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed,

12-0 is pretty impossible to argue with. Sorry, my frustration with all the “miracle” talk has been boiling all season. Amazing how Stokes always seems to “get the lucky bounce.” What is the saying? “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 8:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Come on group

Let’s cut out the personal attacks and name calling. We are classier blog than that.

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 8, 2009 3:27 PM MST reply actions  

Say please!. LOL

Agreed. Stay classy. Besides, its not as if the Colts performance is not worthy of admiration. They have a classy group of individuals playing on that team. Remember, they are NOT the raiders nor the unchargers. Save the bile for the deserving.

by idahobronc on Dec 8, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Pretty please!!!!

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 8, 2009 3:38 PM MST up reply actions  

lol, true that.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 3:39 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Dec 8, 2009 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Wasn't name calling at all RockyMountain, just staing a fact!

Pompous; Self serving, contentious, self important.
Asses; A donkey, a small animal of the horse family. A dull, stupid person.

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by bfree2bronc on Dec 8, 2009 4:47 PM MST up reply actions  

After reviewing Big Blue's post, I see where you are coming from bfree.

Not sure that Rocky Mtn was making a specific statement to you (I can’t speak for him, of couse), but it looked like more of a general view of what transpired over a consdierable number of comments.

by idahobronc on Dec 8, 2009 5:14 PM MST up reply actions  

True and let's stay focused.

But, I also ask the question and never got a response; “What questions do you all have concerning the Broncos” To wit, not one response, so call it what you will. I have a good idea what it really is, and we will see Sunday, OK?

by bfree2bronc on Dec 8, 2009 5:30 PM MST up reply actions  

i actually havent seen that comment by you and normally we ask on our blog but i saw that that got buried

so many dont think about coming here and asking cause there is only a group of them taht really go to the other site each week that we are playing. plus i think i got most of mine awnsered already. id ask how you think you will cover Dallas Clark?? normally the linebackers cant and we can expose that how are your linebackers and safties this year??

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 5:46 PM MST up reply actions  

here are a couple of options that the broncos could use...

1) If there are only two other receivers on the field, there’s Ty Law. he’s strong and physical enough to be able to cover a lot of TE’s and quick enough to keep up with clark.

2, and more likely…) rookie SS, Darcel McBath has made big strides as a cover safety this year, both in the big nickel package and subbing for dawkins when he’s been hurt. McBath v. Clark will be an interesting matchup to watch. If that doesn’t work, second year safety, Josh Barrett, has also been used in the big nickel at times when he’s been active.

by bailey disciple on Dec 8, 2009 10:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I believe Brian Dawkins will have a sit down session with Mr Clark.

Or maybe DJ and Woodyard. WR Roy Williams was cocky until DJ put the what for on him. I don’t know, maybe Clark is better than Dawkins, or DJ. Those are things we will grasp our chins and say…ummm.

by bfree2bronc on Dec 8, 2009 11:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I think that comment was arose...

…more from a completely bone-crushing hit by Dawk on that play than a reference to Williams skill, I believe.

We confide in our strength without boasting of it; we respect that of others, without fearing it. -Thomas Jefferson 1793

by c_style on Dec 9, 2009 12:24 AM MST up reply actions  

true

I hope your receivers are ready for some punishment if they go over the middle. This year’s broncos D hits hard, especially up the middle.

good leadership from Dawkins and other veterans has really changed the identity of our defense. this defense is a far cry from the units you guys used to dominate in terms of having a bit of a mean streak.

by bailey disciple on Dec 9, 2009 12:26 AM MST up reply actions  

and

that was an incredible hit. I just tried to find it on youtube for you colts guys, but it’s not there yet. Roy Williams was totally incapacitated and looked scared the rest of the game.

by bailey disciple on Dec 9, 2009 12:29 AM MST up reply actions  

LBs on Clark is a bad idea

Cushing might be the DROY but Clark flat out punked him, repeatedly.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 8:30 AM MST up reply actions  

the only LB

that might actually be assigned to clark would be Wes Woodyard, a second year ILB who is very quick and moves smoothly in coverage. People were actually arguing that the team should move him to SS before Dawkins and Hill were signed.

by bailey disciple on Dec 9, 2009 8:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Thats why we have Champ Bailey, Andre Ggodman and Ty Law

situations like this

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Dec 9, 2009 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Goodman* sorry

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Dec 9, 2009 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

H'es been flagged for it

These guests are rude and cordial…weird combo

by withersbronco on Dec 9, 2009 9:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't generalize us.

Judge by the commentator, not by who they root for.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 10, 2009 11:02 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Amen

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by underdog on Dec 8, 2009 5:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Is this Peyton's best year?

Considering what he’s working with and having to win games. I know it’s not statistically his best but he seems to not worry about statistics and just do enough to win, your thoughts.

"No more my bad just make the play"-McJedi

by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 8, 2009 3:40 PM MST reply actions  

So many years to choose from...

I think it’s his best efficiency ever with near 70%. He’s definitely sharper than last year, but I don’t know about best year. Good yards, decent rating. It might be. He doesn’t need to do as much as he had to in 04.

I’m actually curious about how he does against the Broncos as you’ll be the best passing defense we have faced this year, but to me it seems like he’s more in control this year than ever as far as understanding defenses and schemes. However, there have been a few errant passes this year that were very unPeytonesque. Very few though and he has more than made up for it. We also didn’t have the deep ball at all last year and that’s back.

Hmm.. this is a hard question. I’ll have to go refresh myself on all of Peyton’s great years.

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL that might take awhile!!!

Our new DOOMesday Defense!!!! YOU LIKE??????????????

by Broncofan on Dec 8, 2009 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

That was percentage completion...

I know CHFF did that feature on this being Peyton’s best year and 18to88.com expanded on it, but I have to say I’m of the belief that different years require different kind of play. So I don’t even know if we can compare. This might be the year where he’s doing the most with the least.

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

the man has had some serious good years

lived in iowa dna the colts and bears were the “local” teams, so i became a closet colts fan the season manning threw a ridiculous 44(?) touchdowns.

"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.

by Jay Fin Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

iowa dna? iowa AND

"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.

by Jay Fin Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Wow,

awfully chipper in here this week. I don’t remember any arguing with any other teams all year.

Anyways, congrats on your great season colts fans. Even though I dislike your team and wish Peyton would retire tomorrow, I have to respect your record regardless of the teams you’ve played. You can only play who’s on the schedule right?

On to my question, is Freeney back or what is up with him? Also, the fantasy team I played last week had Mathis and recorded no sacks/tackles. Did he play as well?

Thanks and good luck this season going 15-1

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by Idaho Nate on Dec 8, 2009 4:18 PM MST reply actions  

Our schedule has been quite tough. It's no piece of cake. Our division still has the most wins of any division this year.

And we’ve only played one really bad team, some decent teams, and a few very good teams.

I love the Broncos actually and I’ve been rooting for you in almost all of your games. And I’m happy to see you guys doing well. I don’t know why it’s chippy here. We’ve had worse, though, as mentioned in this thread.

Freeney played and had a sack in the last game. He sees limited time, but he’s playing well. He’s still recovering, but I expect him to be in on 3rd downs and obvious pressure downs in the Broncos game.

Mathis injured his quad and was in street clothes during most of the Titans game. Freeney injured his quad earlier in the Arizona game and played the next game. But I expect Mathis not to play this Sunday.

Good luck to you as well. And I shall take off now. See you guys in a few days.

by diagenesis on Dec 8, 2009 4:31 PM MST up reply actions  

The weird part is last week was so cordial.

And it was against a division rival (Kansas City).

by Dwhite on Dec 8, 2009 10:41 PM MST up reply actions  

It's probably how Patriots week this year was actually one of our (Colts) most enjoyable weeks.

Lots of mutual respect (generously peppered with hate) going on. While Houston (1st game) was the worst. It happens. :)

by diagenesis on Dec 9, 2009 12:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Freeney played less snaps than usual last week despite the lack of depth behind him

but he was effective and should be near regular usage this week.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 4:50 PM MST up reply actions  

wasn't the first SD game exchange restarted

because the first one got so “heated”. I remember chunks of it disappearing because of flags. I could be mistaken though, the years run together sometimes. :)

by BroncoInExile on Dec 9, 2009 4:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Possibly...

Just because I don’t remember something doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Or at least that’s what the judge told me.

by Velveeta on Dec 9, 2009 6:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Anthony Gonzalez

Missed or not missed? Seems like he’s missed a lot less than I expected, given that Garcon and Collie have contributed a lot more than expected… Will they try to get him back for last game or two or IR him. (Personally I think they should IR him and bring in someone healthy for that roster spot. but that’s just mho.) What do you guys think?

And good luck on…er, after Sunday!

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Dec 8, 2009 5:46 PM MST reply actions  

well you sorta awnsered your own question for the first part :)

i think we will have him back prior to the the end of the season. i am thinking the second to last game and if that is the case he will be able to get some timing back. but like the post made on our site by BBS if he isn’t back by the last game he should probalby be IR’d but wont be. i just dont want to see another marvin from 07. i see you have been reading our blog by this comment also it seems :)

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 5:50 PM MST up reply actions  

heh sorry

yeah sorta, though I also had Garcon on my fantasy team and was paying attention that sort of stuff. And I’d followed Gonzalez in college a bit and as a rookie so I was curious as to how he was going to develop. And then he got hurt. But obviously they’ve missed him a lot! ;-)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Dec 8, 2009 9:05 PM MST up reply actions  

they were expecting him back at practice this week, but it looks like that isn't happening

maybe practice next week, before the Jags game, sit out one last game (it is a Thursday Nighter) and start knocking off the rust the last two games.

Garçon has done so well filling his role that Gonzo will probably bump Collie out of the lineup instead and the Colts will run an O that looks a lot like last years, with Garçon outside in place of The Hollow Shell Formerly Known as Marvin Harrison. Gonzo on the outside and Reggie a matchup nightmare in the slot.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 6:29 PM MST up reply actions  

So does the Q & A went down the drain?

the week is just starting, i was looking forward to a week of smart and respectful exchange of opinions and to share what we know about each other team to try to guess what this macthup is going to look like on sunday. I guess we can still save this thread is we try to, if not its going to be a long and boring blog week leading to the game.

well let me ask a question and give my view on how i expect the Colts to play on sunday.

Who will cover Dallas Clark? How do you expect to fare with the fastest no-huddle offense in the nfl? I expect the Colts to play a game like we did against the 49ners but with a better more tuned offense , expect Dallas Clark and Joseph Addai (as a receiver) to have a big day off the fast pace of the no-huddle quick slants and screen and short passes our running stats dont show the whole story we use the run when we need to and use the short pass to our RB as a method of running(not show on rushing stats).

Your Team have a great defense and great defenses often feed and are great because of smart and clever situational substitutions, the way the Colts deal with this kind of great defenses is a super fast no-huddle that is proven to crack open many good defenses.

As i said on offense i expect the pace of our game against the 49ners but with a more developed WR corp , we had too many drops from our young guns in that game, they have matured on the last weeks and are doing a better job now.

On defense im going to tell you our defense is really underrated , those guys are hunters, ball hawking LBs and DBs see our last couple of games clutch plays from LBs and DBs not to mention our pass rush, this unit have won us the games our offense had struggle with , im very impressed with theyre level of play and of course what Larry Coyer have been able to do with what we have and all the injuries we have been dealing with, i expect the defense to play hard it seems sometimes theyre the ones really wanting to win it all.

Thats my opinion im not saying we will win , i think it will be a hard and epic battle between two of the best teams in the NFL if the Colts play to win (one must consider if the coaches will start resting players) , it may go to which ever team has the ball last.

Good Luck!

by thebossuzzi on Dec 8, 2009 5:55 PM MST reply actions  

Who will cover Dallas Clark? How do you expect to fare with the fastest no-huddle offense in the nfl?

Is this where the broncos fans came to ask colts questions?

There is a similar post open at the colts blog, right now.

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 6:04 PM MST up reply actions  

One more rec and it's not buried. It's at 4

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 6:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, I have my settings set so I see more fanposts. So, for me it isn't buried yet.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 6:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I have it set to like 20 fanposts. So, I can see quite a few of them.

But yeah, 5 is what it takes at the colts blog, right?

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 6:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I see

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 6:50 PM MST up reply actions  

oh, I'm sorry. My bad. I didn't see that earlier.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 6:27 PM MST up reply actions  

It is true the Broncos

have had problems with no-huddle offenses this season. I am interested in your O line, because that battle between our DEs and your OLBs will be where this game is decided, IMO. If doom Reid, Doom, etc. get pressure, sacks, or force turnovers by Manning (tough, I know), your no-huddle won’t matter much. We have to blitz the hell out of him, and rely on our veteran secondary to call some different looks and lead that defense in real time. Dawkins, Bailey, Goodman, Hill, and Law should be able to read and adjust reasonably well, regardless of the substitution. But that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.

-Harvey J. Neptune

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by HarvJNep2n on Dec 8, 2009 10:12 PM MST up reply actions  

No huddle issues.

I am far from the top in analysis here (maybe 87th on a good day) but I would like to address this. Of all of the many strengths of the Colts this may be the one we don’t have a good answer for. One of the strengths of oure defense is having specialized people that sub in and out frequently. Also quality depth more than overwhelming individuals up front. Both of these strengths are negated if there is no time for substitutions. Could Peyton run a no huddle the whole game? If so there would be major scoring on both sides as the Indy D would get no rest.

by Dwhite on Dec 8, 2009 10:48 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Peyton doesn't let subs in easily

if the Colts don’t sub (and they can run countless formations with the same personnel) they don’t have to let the opponent sub, so any attempts at substitution will get the Colts rushing to the line either catching the D disordered for a big play, with 12+ men on the field for a free play and guaranteed 5 yards or at the least forcing the worn out guys getting taken out to sprint off the field (especially funny/effective when it’s big D linemen rotating out).

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It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 10:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Good question
Who will cover Dallas Clark?

We usually use Josh Barrett if a particular TE needs to be covered. During his first game in that role he was effective at minimizing Tony Gonzales so he’s not a slouch. Wes Woodyard also fills in that role.

The no-huddle has been more effective against us. Good luck with that.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Dec 9, 2009 12:20 AM MST up reply actions  

good call emmett.

i forgot about woodyard when i tried to answer this question above.

I mentioned mcbath and barrett, as well as law if there are only 2 WR on the field at the time.

by bailey disciple on Dec 9, 2009 12:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Good questions

1: I would expect anyone at any time with Dawkins paying attention over the top. Clark is the man, but he can get blown up just like anyone else. In situation man-on-man plays I would expect Woodyard to cover him.

2: That is the biggest fear I have of your offense. We have been weak against the no-huddle this year. That being said, I have great faith in Nolan that he will have a plan ready for this. Our DC is legit this year unlike many in the past that Indy has taken advantage of.

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by sadaraine on Dec 9, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

HAhahahahah

Obviously, you’re entitled to your opinion, but….you are aware the Broncos front office and roster have experienced about 95% change of personnel since any of those games to which you refer were actually played, right?

But I guess you guys DO still have # 18. Sigh…

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:18 PM MST up reply actions  

O-line

Has been very good again, with some hiccups. Clady looked almost human last game, giving up a couple(?) of sacks to Tamba Hali. We found out today Ryan Harris (starting RT) is out for the season. His backup has been performing pretty well, but to me it looked like our 4 game losing streak coincided with the loss of Harris. He’s a fairly underrated tackle, although he was starting to get some attention before the injury.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:31 PM MST up reply actions  

so probably not your strong spot this week

although harris’s backup is playing well he is backup for a reason right? so i think that may be one of the key matchups this week for you offense is that LE spot where clady is. the fact he struggled last week might not be a good thing

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 6:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Ha!

“He is a backup for a reason”…very well said. I like the guy, but hard to argue with your point. I actually think this will be a bad week to test Clady. He’s a beast, and I think he is going to respond with a huge effort after experiencing his first real taste of being somewhat owned by another player. And despite giving up the sacks, he was his usual dominating self in the run game. The weakness of our line, as someone else said, is probably the interior, between the C and RG, depending on the week.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:39 PM MST up reply actions  

well it will be key i think

freeney is unlike any other DE and is a big pass rusher so it will all come down to how he responds to the spin move and freeneys quickness.

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 6:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Clady has faced a lot of pass rushers in this league, so far.

It’s not going to be his first time blocking on a football field. He has had his share of prolific pass rushers to defend. For example, he saw Doom every day in practice since last may ish. The leader in sacks for the entire NFL. He has a mean spin move, too. So, Clady should be fine.

If Freeney switches sides, then we may have a problem. But Freeney vs. Clady, advantage goes to Clady, IMO. Sorry.

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 6:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree, THE key matchup...

But I don’t worry about Clady vs. anyone. Especially this week…like I said, I think he’ll have some extra “nasty” after seeing the film of Hali. If Freeney moves to the other side, I can see Graham shadowing him and keying on him most of the game.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Freeney is rarely ever single teamed

and he’s embarrassed better tackles than Clady. Jonathan Ogden probably still has nightmares about what Freeney use to do to him.

Not that Clady couldn’t get the best of him, but I hope the Broncos leave Freeney on an island with him.

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It's shocking how much can slip your perception

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by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 6:52 PM MST up reply actions  

"better tackles than Clady"?

Where Freeney has been called a freak of nature physically, I would point out that I don’t think Freeney has quite faced a tackle like Clady. Athletically, I cannot think of anyone that has Clady’s combination of pure speed, strength, and overall athletic ability. That’s why this is going to be such an intriguing matchup. I am pretty sure you will get your wish, and Clady and Freeney will have a lot of one one one.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Ogden is a HOF tackle

I don’t think anyone can put Clady at that level yet.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 6:59 PM MST up reply actions  

It doesn't mean he is "still" a HOF tackle.

The guy is getting up there in age, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he couldn’t compete with the speed of freeney.

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Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 7:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not putting him in the HOF

But even HOFers start somewhere. I’m telling you, words do not do Clady justice. The guy is just unbelievable and he has it all. The physical attributes, the demeanor, the fundamentals. He is simply unreal.

I have always liked Freeney, so I am very interested in this matchup. I think it will be another good measuring stick.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 7:05 PM MST up reply actions  

should be fun obviously you wont change your stand until you see it

which i repect as you can see why we believe what we do. freeney is one of the best DE’s in the NFL today in my opinion so im sure you see why i wont budge and most colts wont either

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 7:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Nor your stance.. It really should be a great matchup

No problem with Freeney being top DE… just that Clady has really been remarkable for both his rookie year (last year) and so far in his sophomore year.

by idahobronc on Dec 8, 2009 7:14 PM MST up reply actions  

We aren't disputing the talent of Dwight Freeney.

Trust me, I’ve seen the guy before. I get the pleasure of watching the colts week in and week out (living in louisville). Freeney is an enormous talent. He has a dirty spin move and has power and speed.

Clady shut down Demarkus Ware of Dallas this season, as well. I’d say that Ware and Freeney share the spin move. Freeney probably has more power and Ware probably has a little bit more speed. Either way, Clady has shown that he can handle the spin move and the speed of Ware. He has been against DE’s that have more power than Freeney, as well.

Overall, Clady’s skillset is unknown by you and many others outside of broncos country, which is completely fine. Just don’t take him for granted and think for one second that Freeney is going to dominate Clady like some amateur off of the street.

So, we are at a standstill. The Broncos fans think Clady has the edge, the colts fans think Freeney has the edge. I guess we’ll find out on sunday. It will certainly be fun to watch.

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 7:15 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

lol, we'll see.......

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 7:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Putting Freeney against Clady just wastes Freeney

I’m sure they will put Freeney against Polumbus. If not right away, they will move him before long. Clady is the best Tackle in the NFL. He started his career with a 20 game streak without giving up a full sack (he had 1/2 a sack). He has gone up against many elite pass rushers in his career. Freeney will be another notch in his belt.

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by c_style on Dec 9, 2009 12:39 AM MST up reply actions  

How do you guys rate Freeney with Richard Seymore?

He got so frustrated with Clady he started pulling his hair like a little sissy. Freeney and Clady will be a nice match up. Oh wait, they’ll probably move over to Polumbus’s side to try and raise his stats. I see…

by bfree2bronc on Dec 8, 2009 11:46 PM MST up reply actions  

easy, bfree...

freeney and seymour are totally different players, stylistically… not the best comparison.

and if i were the colts, i’d rather play the matchup of freeney vs. polumbus than freeney vs. clady. he’s bound to have more of an impact that way.

by bailey disciple on Dec 9, 2009 12:21 AM MST up reply actions  

you are aware that

clady set some sort of record for an OL entering the league going like 20-some games without ever giving up a sack right? so he has had a better start to his career than ogden. just saying…

by scooter17 on Dec 9, 2009 1:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Ogden

What Freeney did to Ogden was also when Ogden was in the last few weeks of that HOF career. Hang your hat on that if you like, but Clady right now is far and away better than Ogden at that point is his career. Clady went his entire rookie season and about a third of this one before allowing a full sack. He’s faced rushers as good as Freeney during that stretch as well. This is not to knock Freeney, who’s track record speaks for itself, but just because you haven’t heard of Clady doesn’t mean he may not be the best in the league right now.

Hang on folks, road's a little bumpy in these spots.

by pubkeeper on Dec 9, 2009 11:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Freeney beat Ogden for years, including early in Freeney's career

while Ogden was in his prime

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It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I honestly think the Broncos will be aware of Freeney

and even with how good Clady is they will probably lineup an extra tight end on him. They use 2 TE sets with Graham and Scheffler (or Quinn) fairly often and it helps protect more. Which again does not mean that Freeney might not still defeat it, he’s that good. But Clady is darned good as well. I’d expect him to still slip through with at least one sack and it’s a match up to watch for sure!

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by underdog on Dec 8, 2009 9:10 PM MST up reply actions  

kent

i havent seen much of clady so cant really judge him. but better than freeney i really find hard to believe. now if he faced a great spin move then that will def. help but id say advantage oes to freeney but you guys will likely bring some double teams

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 6:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Not likely. You guys are about to watch a freak of nature.

As a rookie last season, he allowed 0 sacks. He is a solid rock and he doesn’t require help. He is the champ bailey of the offensive line. Put him on an island and let him do work.

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Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 6:55 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

sure hope he is on an island with freeney cause i think the matchup will be the opposite that you think

it isn’t like freeney hasn’t faced very good even a HOF takle before and done very well against them

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 7:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Again, just because you are a "HOF tackle", doesn't mean you are playing the best football.

Jonathen Ogden is not the best tackle in the NFL right now. The reason people gravitate to LTs is because they have heard the name and are familiar with their talent level. Most LTs in the NFL are not well known, so when they are mentioned, regardless of their talent, they are thrown aside as being an afterthought because they aren’t well known. Thus starts a viscious cycle of ignorance and disbelief.

This sunday, just watch the freeney vs clady matchup. Soon, Clady will start to get the credit he deserves because he is an enormous talent. I sure hope that Dwight Freeney takes Clady as lightly as you guys are.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 7:09 PM MST up reply actions  

read what I said above

Odgen isn’t even in the league anymore. I’m talking about years of their matchups in previous years.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 7:10 PM MST up reply actions  

i was just going to say that :)

but yes kent we will watch it and i assume it will be a good one i just think we got the advantage but we will see

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 7:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Right, but....

I’m having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. I have a lot of respect for Freeney, but I have a lot of confidence in Clady.

And simply because Ogden is in the HOF, does not mean that some young LT will never be better than him. Obviously, it will take a stud LT doing it for a number of years before we can say he was as good as Ogden. But I will say, give me Clady over the last 2 years vs Ogden at any 2 year stretch in his career, and I will take Clady. I know that’s coming from a biased place, but that is how good Clady looks to my orange-tinted eyeballs…..

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 7:12 PM MST up reply actions  

my point was that Clady could be an all time great

and just not match up well with Freeney, like happened to Ogden.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 7:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, it's really about matchups.

Some matchups just don’t work out for certain players. Ogden was a good player, but his size couldn’t match Freeney’s speed. It isn’t surprising at all, because it takes a lot to move a big body like Ogden’s.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 7:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Got ya

…thanks for clarifying. I’m still slow on the uptake tonight….well,most nights…

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 7:19 PM MST up reply actions  

And Freeney can be an all-time great

and not match up with Clady. Let’s watch the game.

Moreno/Buckhalter in '09

by Doc Bear on Dec 9, 2009 12:22 AM MST up reply actions  

i dont think he will get that many 1 vs 1

people think they 1v1 freeney but watch this video and see how teams just have to double or help with freeney almost every play

by thebossuzzi on Dec 8, 2009 7:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Understood

But Sebastian Vollmer is nowhere near being in Clady’s class. Not even close.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 7:19 PM MST up reply actions  

there will def. be some doubles, and if it is pass and the fullback is

blocking it will be one freeneys side so that is where we will see doubles probably even if it isn’t absolutly necessary (that is unless mathis is playing)

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 7:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't understand why we are fighting about this.

Obviously, nothing we tell you will convince you that Clady is a worthy opponent. We have all seen Freeney and know exactly what he is capable of, but we aren’t swayed because Clady is a rock.

It has been openly admitted that you all haven’t seen a lot of Clady. Well, sunday you will. Enough said.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 7:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, but

There will be some doubles, on designed plays. I just don’t see him being doubled the entire game.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 7:23 PM MST up reply actions  

true no one will win but it has been fun to go back and fourth anyway

i say argument is the wrong word :) and it isn’t we think he isn’t worthy just that we have the edge. we as you have correctly said dont know him enought to say that even if we wanted to (which i dont) :)

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 7:27 PM MST up reply actions  

But...

How nice is it to have a spirited discussion about the merits of one tackle versus one D-end? Actual football talk!!!

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 7:32 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah

and this discussion made me look for “the blind side movie” and a DVD scr is just out wohooo ill be watching this movie with good quality

by thebossuzzi on Dec 8, 2009 7:34 PM MST up reply actions  

That is a GREAT movie.

I thought about tipping the ticket taker on my way out of the theater….but then I didn’t.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 7:39 PM MST up reply actions  

touche. Using film of a rookie left tackle drafted in the second round out of Houston?

That is a disgrace in comparison to Clady.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 7:20 PM MST up reply actions  

again not what i meant

Pats fans were jumping up and down after the game cuz they tought freeney was handled 1v1 by vollmer, what i meant to show is that no coach will play freeney 1v1 ,they will help you guy , i hope they dont but all do

by thebossuzzi on Dec 8, 2009 7:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Sort of.

Obviously you aren’t going to single up Freeney against a rookie second round left tackle. Clady is not Vollmer. He is one of the best LTs in the NFL.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 7:36 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

it isn't that we dont think he is good necessaraly just believe freeney is better

and i can garuntee he wont take take any challenge likely

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 7:12 PM MST up reply actions  

That's understandable.

You are taking a talent you know over a talent you don’t know. At least you are admitting it.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 7:16 PM MST up reply actions  

u will see sun

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 8, 2009 8:38 PM MST up reply actions  

totally

Yea i know this is a different broncos team, just a team that the colts have owned this decade. My favorite game wasn’t either of the two playoff blowouts, it was the 2006 game. You guys ran the ball all over us, but manning had the ball last and won the game.

by torontocoltsfan on Dec 8, 2009 6:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, history doesn't mean much to us, at this point.

People were talking all last week about how the broncos couldn’t beat the chiefs in arrowhead in december. The face of the matter is, this broncos team is not the 2006 or 2003 or even the 2008 broncos. The team is different, scheme is different and coach is different. We are playing the 2009 broncos vs the 2009 colts. So, let’s stick to that.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 6:26 PM MST up reply actions  

But...

…then we let Manning have the ball last. Pretty amazing how that turns out.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:34 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed on the 2006 game!

I’m a pretty devout Plummer fan, and it was a slice of heaven to watch him go almost toe to toe with Manning that game. I am thinking of the right game, aren’t I? In Denver, Plummer still starting, I think the good guys broke out the orange jerseys?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

That's it.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

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by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 8:43 PM MST up reply actions  

That was a classic...

…and will always be burned into my historical mind because I had a daughter born the next day.

The fact is that the Colts are completely ordinary if you take Manning out of the mix. Colts fans ought to start preparing for the big Manning Hangover because judging by this thread as a whole, most of you have no concept of how really good he is. I don’t mean that in a patronizing way, because the same phenomenon happened in Denver with Elway. Its easy to lose site of weaknesses and vunerabilities when you have a guy that can throw the team on his back and win out of sheer force of will or talent. When he’s on, and dropping balls onto covered guys and scaring the daylights out of opponents, he makes that team come across as twice as good as they really are. Defenses play different; offenses get one dimensional.

The good news for Denver is that they have the pressure packages and secondary to neutralize him. As San Diego has shown in the play offs a couple of times, you can own the Colts by getting Manning uncomfortable and creeping into his head a little. Hit him enough and you have a chance; slow him down and it ripples across the entire team. For example, guys like Mathis— and even Freeney to a lesser extent— are all the sudden a liability because you can stay balanced and not lot them tee off and make their strengths strategic weaknesses.

Offensively, I’ll take Denver’s offensive line against any 4-3 in the biz. Orton’s discipline will be huge in this one, because he probably isn’t going to give Manning extra chances. Give those speed backers a heavy dose of Moreno anger for three quarters, and we’ll see if already clinching the division is enough in the fourth quarter.

The intangibles line up all Denver in this one. For the Colts, it all comes down to protecting Manning, and for the first time in about a decade, I’m not so sure they can.

The selfish, they're all standing in line
Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
Me, I figure as each breath goes by
I only own my mind-- Pearl Jam, "I am Mine"

by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 8, 2009 6:46 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

You make a great point.

I’ve said it a bunch of times. We got so spoiled watching Elway, I still think that’s why we as fans treated Griese, Plummer, and to a lesser extent, Orton, the way we did. It took a long time to learn we can’t expect them all to just be Elway. That’s why I loved Jake so much. When he flipped off the home crowd, all I could think was “It’s about time.”

Manning has been so ridiculously good for so long, as a person who LOVES football it just makes me laugh when I see the stats and say “ho-hum, Manning had 350 with 3 TDs again…colts are 10-0 again…” Whaddaya think Colts fans? Are you prepared for the day he retires?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:54 PM MST up reply actions  

he'll never retire

he doesn’t even age

/denial

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by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 7:00 PM MST up reply actions  

hahahahh

ROBOT!

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 7:03 PM MST up reply actions  

ooohh!!

a great point, made in passing, may get lost in the context of a longer post!!

The colts traditionally have smaller, more speed oriented LBs, right…

1) is that true this year?
and
2) If that is true, what is your answer for Peyton Hillis?

by bailey disciple on Dec 9, 2009 12:35 AM MST up reply actions  

OK.

1. Typically yes. Session and Brackett are smaller and faster, and Wheeler is a little bigger than usual, IIRC.

3. Could you give me a little info on Peyton Hillis?

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by Cassieper on Dec 9, 2009 7:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Wheeler is taller than usual, but he's kinda lanky

he’s got a little weight on Session, but he’s so much taller that Wheeler kind looks like a safety at times.

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by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 8:33 AM MST up reply actions  

hillis is a converted fullback who had his breakout campaign, as a rookie, last season

after most of our RBs went down with one injury or another toward the end of the year. He is a tough, between-the-tackles kind of power runner, as well as a very dangerous receiver out of the backfield and potentially a YAC monster. He hasn’t been used as a RB as much this year because Moreno and Buckhalter are playing so well and there are only so many carries in a game, but he picked up 47 yards on 7 carries on the last drive at the end of the game last week.

here are some youtube highlight clips…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Nc9SF2zYE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eATtg3xbY5g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FtNxvpaK6I&feature=related

i guess what I’m really asking is, How have your smaller LBs faired against the bigger, stronger backs they have played this season? could this be a defensive weakness of yours that McD could exploit?

by bailey disciple on Dec 9, 2009 9:15 AM MST up reply actions  

I haven't noticed any really difference in performance against different styled backs

best way I can sum up the Colts run D is that they rarely give up big runs, but give up productive yardage very often, although they do really stiffen in the redzone.

Against the Colts expect many runs in the 3-8 yard range, few shorter or longer and very few big runs.

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by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I would say

we have more trouble against backs like MJD and Sproles than bigger backs.

by diagenesis on Dec 9, 2009 9:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Hate that little pinball.......

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by Cassieper on Dec 9, 2009 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

well MJD is a small powerback with speed

Sproles killed us more as a returnman in the past and the Colts have played Chris Johnson better than anyone this year.

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It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Steelers did a great job against him as well.

To the Broncos fans: Is Hillis similar to Stephen Jackson? We did a great job against him in the first half against the Rams when the game was still in contention.

Good on Hillis having a great first name. HoF name.

by diagenesis on Dec 9, 2009 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

LOL

Sounds good! :) HOF Peyton Hillis, Yeah, I like it. Hahaha

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 9, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

What season is this?

Like ncm said, the broncos have pretty much changed everything since then.

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 6:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Translation

I haven’t done my homework or anythign, but no matter what year, my Colts will still cream the Broncos. Yea…cuz we’re that good. Um, check out these videos they prove it. See? We’re awesome…and your team..is not get it??

by withersbronco on Dec 9, 2009 9:54 PM MST up reply actions  

I still fail to see what the point in

what you’re doing is. Please explain the purpose.

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by Cassieper on Dec 10, 2009 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

I think he just wants to argue

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Dec 10, 2009 8:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

We should set him and BBS up in a private chat, since the two of them want to pick fights with everyone. Then the rest of us can continue to talk about this weekend’s game.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2009 8:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Two questions

Sorry if either (or both) have been asked and answered:

1.) Are the Colts running the no-huddle the majority of the time? If not, how much are they running it, and how often can we expect to see it given the film Manning has undoubtedly watched of our D struggling with it? The whole game, or will he still mix it up?

2.) Better SNL skit (and be objective!): Manning playing football (and breaking into cars) with a bunch of kids, or Tom Brady’s sexual harassment in the workplace video?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:21 PM MST reply actions  

we will use it 99% of the time like we normally do. but doesn’t mean at times we will get to the line faster if manning thinks he can catch someone sleeping.

as for the second havent seen either so cant say

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 6:28 PM MST up reply actions  

dont you know the no-huddle is our bread and butter?

especially against 3-4 big line men , i think our no-huddle is the fastest and more efficient one in the nfl and has been a factor in our comebacks , defenses cant play 60 minutes against it.(askk pats)

by thebossuzzi on Dec 8, 2009 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

OK.

1. All the time. Peyton pretty much invented the modern version of the no-huddle, and he absolutely love it, especially because it’s a good way to tie out a defense.

2. I’ve seen both, and it’s Peyton’s commercial. That was an all-time classic. Brady’s was pretty creepy, and not nearly as funny.

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by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 8:48 PM MST up reply actions  

after all the "you are not asking us questions" from some of you i ask so please awnser.

how is your offensive line?? how do you plan on defending against freeney?? (mabye mathis but probably not)

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 6:31 PM MST reply actions  

answered partially above

As for Freeney, probably set up formations that put Graham on Freeney and see what happens, possibly use FB (Larsen) to chip away at him too.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:36 PM MST up reply actions  

no problem

If you can, go to youtube and search for “Peyton Manning united way” and “Tom Brady sexual harassment.” Both are hilarious, but I read last week that Manning approached his scene just like a game. All studying and focused, and then he actually changed the scene at the last minute. Ad libbed and was funnier than expected, so his version made the final cut. As someone said earlier, the guy is a freakin robot….

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:44 PM MST up reply actions  

But only a robot can be that good over.... and over.... and over....

Love the guy…. just hate playing him. If we don’t have him declared a robot, how do we get him off your team?

by idahobronc on Dec 8, 2009 6:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Reggie Wayne...

better than Marvin Harrison? Every time I’ve seen him he looks like one of the best—and most underrated—ever. Maybe I’ve just seen his best games?…

by oxmouth on Dec 8, 2009 6:33 PM MST reply actions  

he was better in 2007 and 2008

but before that it was Marvin’s show.

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by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

He's that good

Wayne is the most reliable receiver in the league by a large margin IMHO.

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by Colts Homer on Dec 8, 2009 8:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Translation

I know I’m a major homer, but R. Waynes the best receiver of all time hands down take it to da bank! yea!

by withersbronco on Dec 9, 2009 9:56 PM MST up reply actions  

He didn't say that.

He said that Wayne is the most “reliable” and he also went to lengths to say that it was just his opinion. It seems that you sir are the one who’s being rude by taking people’s statements and turning them into something they’re not.

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by Cassieper on Dec 10, 2009 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Dude. Chill. Can we keep the tone here civil? Just ignore things that bother you

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Dec 10, 2009 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Amen

I thought we salvaged this discussion from where it was headed three days ago.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2009 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

withersbronco

Several of his comments were deleted from this thread already. Just ignore the little lizard, and he’ll crawl away on his own.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 10, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

All-time?

Not a chance. It’s a common refrain among Colts fans that Marvin is the greatest receiver in NFL history not named Jerry Rice. That’s how much respect and love we have for Marv. But recently? Absolutely. Marvin was never the same since your Broncos injured him in 2007.

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by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 8:50 PM MST up reply actions  

A Colts - Pats question

This has been talked to death, but I’m curious about Colts’ fans perspectives. Belichick’s 4th down call: Lack of faith in his D, or just ultimate respect for Manning?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:37 PM MST reply actions  

i can say im sure Defensive players veiw it as disrespect and lack of faith but

i think it was probably somewhere in the middle but as he keeps on doing it now i wonder if it is closer to lack of faith

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 8, 2009 6:38 PM MST up reply actions  

He seems to be in a bit of a funk right now.

Do you suppose it has anything to do with losing his OC?

by idahobronc on Dec 8, 2009 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

+1!

Brady sure seems to be in some kind of a funk, huh? As does Cassel. I wonder what Brady and Cassel had in common in their last two full seasons before this one….

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:42 PM MST up reply actions  

if you run the numbers it's pretty obvious the call is getting bashed for outcome rather than process

I’ll dig up one of the calcs if you really don’t buy it, but going for it is somewhere between the better call and just as good by the numbers I’ve seen. Getting 2 yards isn’t that hard and with how the Colts run the 2 minute O, and how badly the Pats D was collapsing an extra 35 yards didn’t make a huge difference.

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It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 6:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree.

I love the call. If you have Tom Brady at QB on 4th and 2, even if the calcs don’t work in your favor, I think Brady has earned the right to be trusted in that situation.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 6:45 PM MST up reply actions  

if a normally sure handed player like Kevin Faulk didn't double clutch the pass

or if Melvin Bullitt hadn’t read it well and put a big hit on him to knock him back before the ball was secured.

It would have worked and the Pats would have won and Belichick would have been exalted for his brass balls.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 6:50 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah, right call.

But it took cahones the size of two moons to call it.

by idahobronc on Dec 8, 2009 6:51 PM MST up reply actions  

nobody but Belichick could do it

some others might have the balls, but no one else has the job security it takes. I’ve seen a good study on playcalling that argues that coaches are less aggressive than would be optimal because failing on a gamble costs the coach more than it costs the team. It’s an inefficiency. The coaches interest is just slightly divorced from team wins in that case. It’s better for them to make the conventional safer play and lose, than to draw attention to themselves with an unconventional move that will get them panned if the move happens to fail.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 6:58 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

That is a really interesting point. I think the Dude would be interested in that….

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 7:03 PM MST up reply actions  

The Dude?

What?

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by Cassieper on Dec 8, 2009 8:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Hr used to be lebowskibronco, but since he became a staffer, he is TJ Johnson.

So…….. yes.

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 8, 2009 9:02 PM MST up reply actions  

A guy writes a feature here called 'The Dude Abides..."

He specializes in stats and situations. Good stuff.

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Faithing and hoping to buy themselves time
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by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 8, 2009 8:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Great point on job security.

For anybody else, it would be like jumping off a cliff with a parchute packed by your sister who was using directions jotted down two weeks prior while watching the pprocess from across the room……dicey to be sure…..

by idahobronc on Dec 8, 2009 7:23 PM MST up reply actions  

seriously I can't imagine what could get Belichick fired anytime soon

If Robert Kraft walked in on Belichick banging his wife he’d probably tell Bill that he’s daughter was home now too.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 7:27 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to Rec something like that

But I did anyways! Thought I was watching It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia for a second!

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 7:31 PM MST up reply actions  

lack of faith

and the pats D prove him right, the D was gassed with our no-huddle and our offense was scoring at will (28 points) and after the 4th and 2 the game didnt end there the D could have stop us from scoring in the redzone they had their chance , Billichick knew the offense give them the best chance and he didnt have faith on the gassed D , time prove him right ,NE D has been exposed

by thebossuzzi on Dec 8, 2009 6:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Coaching changes

Obviously, our coaching change was mostly unexpected and brought with it a wholesale change of the culture and way of life surrounding our team (after 14 years). Has there been any real change from Dungy to Caldwell? Or does the presence of the robot (#18) mean it does not really matter who the coach is? What kind of coach do we think Caldwell would be without Manning?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 7:08 PM MST reply actions  

Caldwell seems more aggressive and quicker to pull the plug on underperformers

right after Caldwell took over the DC and ST coach got the boot and were replaced with guys that look like big upgrades already. Tony Ugoh and Phil Wheeler also got benched for vets when they weren’t playing up to snuff in camp (though supposedly the Ugoh decision was made in the offseason).

Caldwell seems quicker to go on 4th down which is a positive in my mind since Dungy was rather conservative there.

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It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 7:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Not a trick question, I promise!

What (if anything) concerns you about the Broncos? Running game? Marshall? X’s and O’s?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 7:15 PM MST reply actions  

big receivers like Marshall can work midrange stuff on them

V-Jax has really hurt them like that.

Other than that I think it’s just a general level of competence from them. They are a good team. If they have a good day and the Colts are off, or the game just happens break the wrong way the Broncos can certainly win.

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It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 7:19 PM MST up reply actions  

elaborating on the big WRs

they just go up for the ball in soft spots in the zone and the Colts DBs aren’t close enough or tall enough to stop it.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 7:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Honestly

I know nothing about the Colts secondary, other than Sanders being hurt again. What’s the skinny with the guys playing now?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 7:24 PM MST up reply actions  

two rookies who are playing out of their minds have been starting at CB

plus CB Kelvin Hayden who is excellent but coming off an injury. He’ll probably be back full time this week pushing the rookies to #2 and #3.

FS Bethea made a pro bowl and is a great centerfielder and a usually very sound tackler (he was a bit sloppy early in the year).

SS Bullitt is a great fill in for Bob. He’s not the tank-built hitter that Bob is, and doesn’t have Bob’s gift for playing a deep half and the run at the same time, but he is a very good box safety who can be relied on to not let up deep passes.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 8, 2009 7:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Gotta run

Thanks to everyone for turning this discussion around. Started out pretty rough, but nice to see we actually got around to talking about this game! Oh, and about the best tackle in football - Ryan Clady!!! ;)

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 8:18 PM MST reply actions  

RYAN CLADY!

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 8, 2009 8:18 PM MST up reply actions  

How does Freeny hold up against the run?

"The night is darkest just before the dawn."- Harvey Dent

by broncofan91 on Dec 9, 2009 12:46 AM MST reply actions  

He is excellent

against the run as he plays it on the way to the quarterback. I don’t have the numbers to back it up (that kind of advanced stats stuff if Shake’s department), but I seem to remember that runs wide left meant death to the RB.

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by Cassieper on Dec 9, 2009 7:52 AM MST up reply actions  

yep

you can run behind the LT, because Freeney usually isn’t going to try to hold that ground. It’s very hard to run wide to the left because that’s right through Freeney’s path to the QB. Mathis is a similar story on the other side.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 8:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Translation

The Broncos might as well forfeit the game now. With DEs like Mathis and Freeney it’s game over.

by withersbronco on Dec 9, 2009 10:04 PM MST up reply actions  

im assuming your not a real fan you have no respect it seems for anyone and

are acting in a way that from what i have seen is contrary to what MHR promotes and the fact you think your a good fan by doing this thoughout the thread is sad cause yo9u polluting it. (that or you drunk or something)

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 10, 2009 12:14 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't believe I said that.

Read my comment again.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 10, 2009 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

a question from above reposted as it's own topic..

Predominantly Orange pointed out that the colts traditionally have smaller, more speed oriented LBs…

my resulting questions are…

1) is that true this year?
and
2) If that is true, what is your answer for a powerful runner like Peyton Hillis?

by bailey disciple on Dec 9, 2009 1:35 AM MST reply actions  

See above.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 9, 2009 7:52 AM MST up reply actions  

$.02

My take is that there are pretty even matchups everywhere, and whoever gets the edge in more of them will come out on top. I certainly like the way this broncos team matches up against this colts team more than previous broncos-colts matchups. I am excited that we have a veteran secondary this time around because peyton is just too darn crafty for young players to deal with. I think if we can run the ball on offense, and our secondary holds up well enough to be able to commit a few extra people to rush peyton, then we can eke one out.

Funny to see people thinking that anyone against Clady is a good matchup. PLEASE put Freeney on Clady instead of Polumbus!!

I didn’t really see anything objectionable enough to stir up all the craziness so far in this post, but let’s put whatever it is aside and all just agree to hate, and i mean HATE, the chargers. Tough not to like and respect peyton. Easy to hate and have no respect for Phyllis Rivers. Chiefs, Raiders…I mean at this point I’m practically rooting for them when we’re not playing them, they’re so bad. Funny to think about how much I hated both those teams when they were any good whatsoever. Although without Jamarcus the Hutt at QB I’m a little more worried about the upcoming raider game…smells too much like the bills game last year.

by MontanaBronco on Dec 9, 2009 9:36 AM MST reply actions  

and a Q

so colts fans, how many times have you guys lost the turnover battle this year? and how important will that be against this bronco team? Can you guys lose the turnover battle against denver and still win?

by MontanaBronco on Dec 9, 2009 9:39 AM MST reply actions  

the Colts rarely fumble

ball security is probably only second to pass blocking in the ranking of Colts’ RB traits.

There have been more INTs than we’d like, but it’s Peyton so obviously more than we expect = any.

I don’t expect them to be at a significant deficit in TO margin and I think they can overcome a small one on the strength of their strong O and D in the redzone. They hold teams to a lot of FGs and are able to punch it in for the TD themselves pretty often which is a sneaky way to outscore a team.

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by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely we can still win w/o winning the turnover battle.

Our D has allowed the fewest points off turnovers this year. Not a single touchdown has been scored by the opposing O when we turned the ball over on offense. Defense steps up.

I know we lost the turnover battle against Jacksonville. We also had a poor one against Baltimore until the very end of the game. They had 3 turnovers from us (2 INTs and one fumble – all that were turned into fgs and not tds), but we got two to go our way at the end.

by diagenesis on Dec 9, 2009 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

More on this -

we’ve caused at least 2 turnovers on D in the last 10 games – which might a league best streak. Not sure if New Orleans has been doing better.

We might not cause a lot of turnovers, but I believe we only have 15 turnovers (12 ints, 3 fumbles lost). There are also 8 turnovers on downs (4 missed fgs and 4 missed 4th down conversions).

The 3 fumbles lost is a league best. Our +9 is 4th. But as I previously mentioned, we usually limit the damage caused by a TO.

by diagenesis on Dec 9, 2009 10:11 AM MST up reply actions  

wow season over

Colts can just back it in for the year, they aren’t going anywhere.

Jim Sorgi to IR

; )

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It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 10:50 AM MST reply actions  

Those things can get really heavy.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 9, 2009 11:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh,

and don’t forget about the sharp edges. I bet those got him.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 9, 2009 11:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Bummer dude.

Maybe next year………. ;)

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 9, 2009 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

I think you might enjoy this.

Here is The Dude’s newest edition of Stats Don’t Lie, the genius and article to which I referred earlier. Someone else said you are the resident stat guru for Colts fans, so you may get a kick out of The Dude’s work.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/12/9/1189021/the-dude-abides-the-stats-that#storyjump

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 9, 2009 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

This was meant for shake n bake

But obviously all can enjoy.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 9, 2009 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I have a question to Colts fans

On Thanksgiving, what percentage of Colts fans would you say, gave thanks for Peyton Manning, immediately following thanks for their families? And do you wake up with a smile everyday knowing you have him as your QB?

by T.Dot_Bronco on Dec 9, 2009 11:03 AM MST reply actions  

Does Larry Bird ever show up at Colts games?

I am planing on a trip this summer to Indiana and will swing through French Lick to see if Larry wants to play some horse and talk hoops.

Go Broncos!

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by c2c75 on Dec 9, 2009 11:50 AM MST reply actions  

Not that I've heard of.

We had Tiger Woods on the Colts sideline during the Miami game, which was probably more impressive back then than it is now.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 9, 2009 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

And David Letterman.

Hmm… I see a trend in our celebrity fans.

by diagenesis on Dec 9, 2009 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Heh.

I still love both of hem though. That won’t change.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 9, 2009 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

*both of them

Typing while eating lunch = bad idea.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 9, 2009 11:59 AM MST up reply actions  

I have heard good and interesting things about the Colts owner

What do you guys think about him? (Obviously he’s doing a good job).

Is it true that he owns the Jack Kerouak “On The Road” original scroll (manuscript)? Does he put it on display?

I know he was buddies with Hunter Thompson as well, definitely doesn’t fit the prototypical owner mold.

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by c2c75 on Dec 9, 2009 12:06 PM MST reply actions  

Irsay is hands off.

Bill Polian runs the show, Irsay just bankrolls it. Don’t know much beyond that other than irrational Ravens fans blame him for moving the team even though it was his alcoholic father that did it.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

He does own it.

 The scroll has been on a museum tour for the past few years and just ended its tour I believe. I saw it a few years ago. I like Jim Irsay a lot. He’s very different from his father.

Kerouak’s the reason I really wanted to visit Denver when I was a kid. Good times.

by diagenesis on Dec 9, 2009 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Answer

I’m going to oppose shake n bake’s view on Jim Irsay by saying he is most certainly not “hands off.” When comparing him to the laughable boob that is Jerry Jones, shake n bake’s assessment is spot on. However, Irsay is not necessarily someone who just sits back and signs the checks.

For example, after the 2001 season, it was apparent that then-coach Jim Mora and Bill Polian could not co-exist. Polian wanted to fire Mora’s defensive coaching staff, but could not do so without Irsay OKing it. Mora countered that it wasn’t the staff that was the problem. It was Polian’s crappy job finding good defensive players. Irsay had to pick between keeping Mora or Polian.

He chose Polian.

However, when the process to find a new coach started, it was Irsay, not Polian, who pushed hard to get Dungy. Polian wanted Nick Saban (barf!).

So, in terms of being “hands off,” I think Irsay (who was once the team GM way back in the day) knows when to intercede and when not to.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 9, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

not meddling would have been a better phrase for me to use

and in recent history, once the solid foundation and working relationship of Polian/Dungy was in place I think hands off applies.

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It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

and there's a big difference between being involved in player decisions vs hiring a staff

one is not an owners job, and was expressly is.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

The one player Irsay brought in recently was Corey Simon. Ugh.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 10, 2009 7:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Colts fans, I want to apologize for the rude comment I made yesterday and sincerely hope you except.

I have a question for the Colts fans in Indy; Is the Slippery Noodle still there? The blues bar on the east side I believe.

And, if you were an opposing defense how would you play against Peyton’s no-huddle offense? What kind of strategy would you use, and have any other teams been successful against it this year? Thanks for dropping by.

by bfree2bronc on Dec 9, 2009 2:31 PM MST reply actions  

Answer

Yes regarding Slippery Noddle: http://www.slipperynoodle.com/

Regarding playing Colts offense, the key to slowing down the Colts offense is pressure. You must pressure Manning. If you blitz, but don’t pressure him, he will kill you. If you play coverage, he’ll either dink and dunk you to death or hand the ball off. But the key is constant pressure.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 9, 2009 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

No substitutions at all.

the key to the no huddle offense is keeping the defense off balance and making those 350 lb DT’s run all across the field with no break. Typically, if you try to substitute, Peyton will quick snap it and get a free 5 yards.

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by Cassieper on Dec 10, 2009 11:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Apology?

WTF am I supposed to apologize for? Did I accidentally ding your car this morning backing out of the driveway? Did I spill my morning coffee on you?

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 10, 2009 7:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Og wait

Am I supposed to apologize for mgrex03 making you look like an ignorant tool? Maybe that was it.

If you aren’t going to add anything to the conversation, slink on away like a good like troll. The questions in this FanPost are actually quite good. Your stupidity just seems to funk things up.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 10, 2009 7:04 AM MST up reply actions  

C'mon Big Blue...

First of all, no need to engage in the mud-slinging. Just ignore it. However, if you look at it objectively, you weren’t exactly cordial when you came in talking smack about our old coach and telling us you’ll insult whoever you damn well like. I know we’re all entitled to our opinions, but:

1.) That had nothing to do with talking about this week’s game,
2.) It was rude
3.) If you had someone coming to your house and starting things off that way, you’d probably agree that the other guy might owe an apology.

Judging by what some of the other Colts fans here are saying, you have a good reputation. Why would you want to stoop down into arguments and name-calling with people trying to bait you at this point?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2009 1:27 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Response

1) I actually didn’t plan to bring Shanahan up. I was simply responding to what another site commenter was asking about. I relayed my opinion about Shanahan, who stunk as a head coach. His record in the playoffs post-Elway, and his infrequent trips to the post-season despite having good teams in Denver, back that up.
2) Telling the truth is never rude unless the people on the receiving end are fools and refuse to hear it. I don’t know of a “kind” way of saying “Your coach for the last fifteen years was an over-rated midget whose head looked like a pumpkin.”
3) If someone came into my house and started claiming Tony Dungy were over-rated, they’d likely get ignored. Why? Because water is wet. The sky is blue. And Tony Dungy is a better coach than someone like Mike Shanahan. That’s about as written in stone as things get, and the only people who would disagree with it are likely clueless Broncos fans.

Listen, while I appreciate what others say about me, my reputation is certainly not “good.” Lots of people can’t stand me, and it is because I bring it 100 MPH on every post and article. Nothing is watered-down or sanitized. It is all 100% my opinion, right or wrong (mostly right, because I’m the Jesus of football blogging).

The ones who understand this and accept it (like the genius that is John Bena) know that while I think Shanahan was utter garbage for ten years, I still respect the Broncos and sites like MHR. Passionate fans are the best fans.

So, what you consider “rude,” I call respect.

I give you my truth up front and in your face. You might not like the delivery, but I could care what you like. Bottom line is from 1999-2008, Mike Shanahan won ONE playoff game. One.

That’s a garbage head coach.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 10, 2009 1:58 PM MST up reply actions  

And...

It has absolutely nothing to do with why you’re here. You go ahead and call it “telling it like it is” if that makes you feel better. But saying “and I’ll insult your ex-coach and anyone else I damn well feel like” is rude. I expect that kind of nonsense from trolls and DP message boards.

Plenty of us have less than favorable opinions of Shanahan, but that’s not the point either. Does that mean that you should let someone bait you, and almost immediately after he baits you, you suddenly have the right to start calling people “idiot,” “schmuck,” coming to our boards and telling us you will insult anyone you damn well feel like? There’s a certain level of etiquette we should all expect around here. Your responses, starting with the first one, were combative, defensive and yes, RUDE.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2009 7:33 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

+100

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Dec 11, 2009 9:10 AM MST up reply actions  

+200

-Richee
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by BroncoSense72 on Dec 11, 2009 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh, and as for point # 2 of your response...

VERY faulty logic. If you are introduced to an exceedingly ugly, fat, deformed woman, it’s not rude to tell her "Hey, you’re ugly and fat. "? And if she finds it rude, it’s her fault for being a fool? BS. Rude is rude, and “keepin it real” is the #1 worst excuse in the world for people who want to treat other people like dirt…..

And I rest my case with your line, " You might not like the delivery, but I could care what you like." I was in no way rude or an ass toward you. I was pointing out why a rational person might have a reasonable basis for thinking you were out of line when you started calling names. But you have to take my simple comments and retort with going on the defensive.

Good on ya. You are a no-hold-barred truth tellin man who will tell it like it is and tell everyone else what is the best way to comport themselves. The only problem is, where you could care what I like, I couldn’t care less what you think. I was trying to extend some cordiality, but it’s clear you’re more interested in picking fights.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2009 7:41 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I like Tony Dungy...

…but all the dude managed to do without Peyton Manning is get fired. Then the team he got fired from won the SB immediately. So while I don’t hold that against his legacy, I do find it interesting that you don’t apply your logic both ways.

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by PredominantlyOrange on Dec 10, 2009 7:59 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly my thinking

I was going to look up some stats but PO has saved me the time. I concur completely. I like Dungy but his record is much better in Indy with a big time HOF QB than it was without. Sound familiar?

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by Sean in Pa. on Dec 10, 2009 9:02 PM MST up reply actions  

In Tampa Bay?

I thought he was partly let go because management was convinced that he did not have the “killer instinct” to get the Bucs over the hump. Do you think that may have been just the spin ownership put on it as damage control?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2009 10:11 PM MST up reply actions  

idk but one thing is for sure the team that one the superbowl was built under Dungy

gruden jsut benifited and they won the superbowl. i could look but am to lazy to into the reasons that Dungy gives mabye tomorrow if someone reminds me

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 10, 2009 10:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree

Gruden basically had to not screw it up with that Bucs team. I forget now, Shaun King did not start for Gruden at all that year, right? Did Brad Johnson enter the year as the starter, or did King have the job to start the year?

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 11, 2009 4:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Good point.

I’m too lazy to look up the overall win/loss records. Shanny (as HC) only had Elway for three(?) years. Dungy had Manning for how many? I wonder how many Shanahan would’ve won if he had coached Manning for 8 years…

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 10, 2009 10:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Shannahan was hired as HC in '95

So, yeah three years. Imagine, but no. Shannahan needed to age much like I am sure Dungy did to get that “killer” instinct. Interestingly I think the reverse may have been true for Reeves. His shots at SB’s were miserable failures and the teams were just too good for those types of losses. I don’t mean to put all the blame on Reeve’s either. I think a NASCAR trueism fits here. One crew chief and driver may be fantastic but you change either one and the magic isn’t there. Time, oprotunity, talent meet at the right place and you get something special.

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by Sean in Pa. on Dec 11, 2009 2:53 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree.

It may be faulty logic on my part, but I’m one of the ones who constantly wonders what Elway’s stats would look like had he not played under Reeves for so long. I still love Reeves as a coach, as he’s the first coach I “knew” in real time.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 11, 2009 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Dec 11, 2009 9:11 AM MST up reply actions  

umm look up the Bucs history before Dungy

he took the team from a laughingstock to a contender. Without Dungy the team peaked the next year, but slowly declined into the awful team you see today.

in 20 years before Dungy the Bucs made the playoffs 3 times and finished under .500 17 times. In 6 years under Dungy they made the playoffs 4 times and finished under .500 only in his first year.

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by shake n bake on Dec 11, 2009 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Almost beat the Greatest Show on Turf

in the NFC Championship game too, IIRC. I believe there was something controversial about the game, but my memory is fuzzy.

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by Cassieper on Dec 11, 2009 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Ignorant Troll

wish you would have just stayed away.
FLAGGED!

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 10, 2009 8:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Rec'd

John? Staff?

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 11, 2009 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Rec'd

-Richee
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by BroncoSense72 on Dec 11, 2009 9:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for having my back MHR

Glad I wasn’t the only one feeling that way.

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Dec 11, 2009 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

haha

Well, you can see my feelings directly above yours. Yours however was much more eloquently put! Well Done.

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 11, 2009 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I feel I need to add to this.

It is really a shame how this thread started, I was guilty of putting all the Colts fans into a group with BBS and was rude, I am sorry for that. As a whole this has been a great experience with some fine intelligent fans. Why BBS had to come back to stir the pot some more I don’t know. What I will say is that if he was the head of MHR and behaved that way on another site I would bring it up at home and try to, Heck I don’t know, I would call him out! right? Like teenagers to a fight… I guess that is wrong but I don’t know how to express what I want to say. I am disappointed in BBS as he is representing the Colts blog here and doing a very poor job of it. However, shake n bake, angelfaith and others have represented very well and it has been a pleasure to interact with you this week.

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 11, 2009 3:55 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I could NOT agree more!

I have enjoyed angelsfaith and shakenbake’s comments more than just about any other Q&A session this year. I hope they don’t take our issues with one of their number as being slights against them, because I am getting a lot from reading their stuff.

And Sean, you are right on. If John acted this way on other teams’ sites…which we all know would never happen…I’m fairly certain he would get called out here for it.

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 11, 2009 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

It'still there. It's still a good place!

No need to apologize. We all love football and love our team – all that matters. Hopefully the owners and players union can make sure we can continue doing that. I’ll hella upset if for some reason we’re robbed a Peyton season b/c they can’t come to terms.

San Francisco did the absolute best against us this year. It was impressive. We had to rely on a trick play to win that game. Their rushers never got set on defense and Peyton because very predictable on the snap count. We also had our poorest showing in the redzone. But then again this is also the infamous game where the SF defense allegedly faked penalties to slow down our no huddle offense.

by diagenesis on Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I was wondering that, "faked injuries" and when does the ref's step in and say enough is enough

and throw the yellow hanky for a delay of game penalty? Or can they not know if the player is feigning injury or is really hurt? I am not sure on this and it may be a tactic (dirty play) we use. Bottom line, we have to slow Peyton down or else he will throttle us. Thanks.

by bfree2bronc on Dec 9, 2009 4:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Weren't the Broncos

accused of doing this once? I think it may have been a Dan Reeves team at the end of the season or a playoff game. Anyway it seems to me it was a big game and the opponent was yelling for delay of game because we were out of time outs.
??

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 9, 2009 5:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I vaguely remember, but can say when.

All that would do would put a negative in a players head of his ability. I think it is a bad idea.

by bfree2bronc on Dec 9, 2009 5:08 PM MST up reply actions  

i try to beat peyon

with no trines on madden what i hate about is they do not carptecdce the colts no huddlie well

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 9, 2009 5:51 PM MST up reply actions  

ps3

i do offline i also update the rosters on ncaa 10 all names all 120 teams

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 9, 2009 7:14 PM MST up reply actions  

and i update

the rosters on madden i collest preseason mags and nfl gamebook rosters i try to make the rantigs as real as possble i like underrate ne and dal they are too high teams like indy den are too low

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 9, 2009 8:14 PM MST up reply actions  

hey mabye then if you got Den roster and the colts roster all set do a sim. but leave out the ones that are IR'd obviously

and see what happens. i always find that interesting although it never obviously means anything

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 9, 2009 8:36 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah

i wouild but i like to wait after the season becausen on madden u can only edit over so many players names

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 9, 2009 8:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Our neckbeard will defeat yours

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 3:33 PM MST reply actions  

UP YOUR GAME KYLE

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

DUDE!

That’s a mean neckbeard! Colts have have already scored first! WTF!?

Are you NOT entertained!?!? -Maximus

by c2c75 on Dec 9, 2009 4:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I just got this pic from a SB commenter

I think Clint’s nickname is now Papa Smurf

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 4:24 PM MST up reply actions  

What does he do with his chinstrap?

seriously?

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Fe fi fo fum, Philly here we come

by RiG on Dec 9, 2009 5:54 PM MST up reply actions  

hahah

Pappa smurf… I see the resemblance :D

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 9, 2009 5:05 PM MST reply actions  

Papa smurf had a red hat.

2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Dec 9, 2009 8:14 PM MST up reply actions  

and blue skin and a white beard

yeah the color scheme is off, but work with me here

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 9, 2009 8:21 PM MST up reply actions  

no way

Clint Session is our Kimbo Slice

by thebossuzzi on Dec 9, 2009 9:31 PM MST up reply actions  

So, he's overrated and will completely crumble once somebody pops him a good one on the chin?

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 9, 2009 10:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Are you going to go to the game?

I’m just wondering since you’re in Louisville. I live in Southern Indiana, so I get all the Louisville stations that thankfully usually show Colts games. Which must suck for non Colts fans.

by diagenesis on Dec 9, 2009 10:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Uh...Thanks alot for that mental pic bfree...lol

-Richee
-"If you look for the bad in people expecting to find it, you surely will." - Abraham Lincoln
-Measure your performance against your best competitors and consider how you can use it to beat them the next time!

by BroncoSense72 on Dec 10, 2009 6:29 AM MST up reply actions  

It depends.

My friend who is a colts fan hasn’t decided whether he is going to the game. If he isn’t, I am going to be there.

So, we’ll see. I would love to go, though. If not, I guess I’ll just be watching it from the ville.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 9, 2009 11:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Also, I don't really expect to get many Broncos games on TV.

Between the colts, bengals, rams and titans being in my area, I pretty much never get to see them on my tv. Also, my apartment complex won’t allow me to purchase NFL sunday ticket, so I’m stuck with insight cable, which is a joke. Fortunately, the wonders of the internet help out on sundays, since there is no other way for me to watch the game.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Girl, you don't need to be a 10, as long as you have a good smile and smell like bacon.

by kentuckybronco on Dec 10, 2009 7:19 AM MST up reply actions  

one Broncos fan asked on another forum this
How motivated are Colts about this game? they only need to win one game of the 4 left to secure homefield.

 I think that some people are mistakingly thinking that this game is not that important, i think that this game on the Colts plans is the most important regular season game, think about this;

1- The opportunity to be on the record books with 22 wins regular season wins in a row = the opportunity for Peyton to get even at Brady for braking his 49 TDs record in 2007.

2- Last reg. season HOME game = Big motivational environment for player to give their fans a victory and be undefeated at home in the regular season.

3- Opportunity to clinch 1st seed of the AFC = Desire to give it all out to try to win this game and get the 1st seed.

I’ll tell you this , The Broncos have a real shot at this game they are a good team, but if your team wins it will be hard earned and not by a Colts letdown that some folks believe can happen, this will be no trap game , there will be no thinking on the playoffs , they will be thinking in making history and knocking the Pats out a record and securing the 1st seed , after this there will be plenty of time to rest if they want to do so.

So this is why i believe this is the most important game of the regular season for the Colts and those guys will be hungry comes Sunday.

by thebossuzzi on Dec 10, 2009 2:00 PM MST reply actions  

I agree

I am sure the Colts are plenty motivated in this one. If Broncos win it will be earned.

Unless god forbid Manning gets hurt.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Dec 10, 2009 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Manning getting hurt?

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 10, 2009 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Well I didn't say I was rooting for it

just that it would make things a tad easier for the Broncos. But I shall speak no further of the Thing That Must Not Be Named. Weirdly, Orton getting injured seemed to hurt the Broncos almost as much.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Dec 10, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

As a fellow Broncos fan, I say that would suck.

Now where did that Kool-Aid vendor go?

by pubkeeper on Dec 10, 2009 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I was mainly joking with you,

(we use a lot of LOLCats over on Stampede Blue), but it basically is a taboo topic among Colts fans. Nobody wants to think about that possibility. Just better to presume it didn’t exist.

But you’re fine. I never presumed you were rooting for it.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 10, 2009 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I know, I just didn't want to be blamed if he did

well, you know… er…

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Dec 10, 2009 4:37 PM MST up reply actions  

But about the game Sunday...

;-)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Dec 10, 2009 4:37 PM MST up reply actions  

False.

The Colts play the Jets at home 2 days after Christmas.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 10, 2009 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Marvin Harrison

For as long as I can remember (for someone looking in from the outside) In Indy it was the “Maning-Harrison” show. I know when he left (or was it before he left) he ran into some legal stuff. But it seems to me that he just sort of dropped off the face of the earth. For what seemed to be the deadliest offense combo in the NFL for years it seems strange that not even a word is dropped about him these days. For as long as I can remember manning and Harrison were eternally linked to each others successes.

First question is how do you Colts fans feel about his leaving? (probably not too bad since you’re sitting at 12-0). But outside of that how is he regarded in the Colts fandome community?

Why did he leave/retire to begin with? Injuries?

There seems to be a perfect transition without him there. How was that accomplished so smoothly? Trying to replace a stud ball catcher like doesn’t seem to phase the Colts offense at all. True?

Go Broncos!

Are you NOT entertained!?!? -Maximus

by c2c75 on Dec 10, 2009 4:40 PM MST reply actions  

5 games into 2007 he was blocking for a stretch run

Addai was tackled into the back of Marv’s legs injuring his knee. He was never the same player after that.

His career was ended by injury and a refusal to play for a salary that matched his injury diminished skills.

Sad, he’s one of the all time greats and a Colts legend, but you know what they say, NFL= No For Long.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

Even your eyes lie

by shake n bake on Dec 10, 2009 5:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Oddly enough,

I believe that game was against the Broncos.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 10, 2009 11:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Preview

We have our game preview posted, including some answers to some questions asked here: http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/12/11/1194866/week-fourteen-preview-broncos-at

SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue. Please make an account so you can post a FanPost, make a FanShot, add some comments, and make some noise. Accounts are free, and only require an email address.

by BigBlueShoe on Dec 11, 2009 9:10 AM MST reply actions  

Pass!

-Richee
-"If you look for the bad in people expecting to find it, you surely will." - Abraham Lincoln
-Measure your performance against your best competitors and consider how you can use it to beat them the next time!

by BroncoSense72 on Dec 11, 2009 9:51 AM MST up reply actions  

It is mostly a good article

He still takes some shots but not like he did here. It is a good read if you can overlook the shots he takes. Follow up that article by reading John Bena’s Q and A thread opening statement. John clearly knows what “Blue” is like!

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Dec 11, 2009 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I've read it all and I have already moved to the other end of the bar where I can enjoy my beer and watch the game

-Richee
-"If you look for the bad in people expecting to find it, you surely will." - Abraham Lincoln
-Measure your performance against your best competitors and consider how you can use it to beat them the next time!

by BroncoSense72 on Dec 11, 2009 10:08 AM MST up reply actions  

If he didn't take shots, we would worry one of you had drugged him. :)

I’m still upset that I’m upset about the Michael Silver article. It’s very upsetting that cheap shots against anything Patriots related upset me. Where is my blind hate? sigh

by diagenesis on Dec 11, 2009 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Blind hate goes

out the window when you have an intelligent Pats fan keeping things in perspective.

Now it’s smart hate :-)

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 11, 2009 11:25 AM MST up reply actions  

This thread made a comeback win

For a few days i thought this was going to be an ugly blog week , but many amazing fans and bloggers here at MHR did turned it around and now this ranks in my TOP 3 best blog weeks , thank you for all your intelligent input it was a great blog week, i dont know if there has been a more analyzed match-up in terms of strengths and weakness than this one ever.

Thanks for an amazing week, good luck today and good luck the rest of this season, hope to get to blog here again in the playoffs.

by thebossuzzi on Dec 13, 2009 6:11 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks to you to boss.

You, shakenbake, and angelsfaith (among others) do your team proud!

- Nick

"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.

by ncm42 on Dec 13, 2009 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

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