More on Personnel Decisions by Mike Lombardi (NFP)
Great stuff From Mike Lombardi from the National Football Post this morning
FROM MARK KISZLA OF THE DENVER POST… Motivated to wrestle back control of his franchise from the all-encompassing power of Shanahan, Bowlen can only point the finger of responsibility in his own chest for the upheaval created when he took the unusual tack of hiring a coach before conclusively settling on how the Broncos would make difficult personnel decisions for a team that has missed the playoffs in three consecutive seasons. Denver has tough decisions to ponder. The Broncos must decide whether to retain or break ties with veteran players such as linebacker Nate Webster, defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson and cornerback Dre Bly, plus do thorough evaluation of draft prospects that must weigh the need for defensive help against the need for a reliable, workhorse running back. It all will now fall in the lap of (GM Brian) Xanders, whose background included 14 years with the Atlanta Falcons.
I disagree very strongly with Mark Kiszla. The Broncos do not have any tough decisions because they really don’t have any good players to make tough decisions about. Webster, Bly and Robertson played on one of the worst defenses in the NFL last year, and none of those players performed anywhere near a winning level. When you’re bad in the NFL, it’s easy to make decisions; the hard part in making roster moves comes when you’re in the middle — not good, but not awful .
The changes in Denver didn’t surprise me at all. In fact, I wrote about this when Josh McDaniels was hired as head coach. McDaniels seems to have a good understanding of what he needs to do to turn the Broncos around. The way the Broncos handled personnel the past 14 years under Mike Shanahan is completely opposite from the way McDaniels learned it in New England.
The Broncos are going to make a move to the 3-4 this year, and it will take some time to acquire the players to fit that style. The Broncos are a blank slate on defense; other than hoping Champ Bailey and D.J. Williams can play at a higher level, there aren’t many players you can count on in the new system. There will be many cuts coming from the Broncos, as they have to weed out some of the players who did not play to the level of their contracts. Boss Bailey, Dre’ Bly, Dewayne Robertson and John Engelberger are all potentially on the chopping block. Cutting players will not be difficult.
Elvis Dumervil will move to linebacker, but that’s not certain, nor is it certain that he can play outside. Jarvis Moss, a first-round pick in 2007, is not suited for the 3-4. He’s athletic enough to play linebacker, but he’s not instinctive or physical enough to succeed. Not sure where Tim Crowder could fit in the 3-4. He’s not a five-technique or a ‘backer so he might have a hard time adjusting. The one thing the Broncos must do is define what they want and need in players on defense. There was never a defined description in the past, so the first order of business will be to clearly make those definitions.
There are few pieces to build around, and cutting and removing players will not be too difficult, but it will take some time. And it will require a keen eye to find the talent that will help rebuild the team.
He is right. As fans we caught up in the rubix-cube that is moving, cutting, drafting, and acquiring talent. But we must remember that Denver is far, far away from having a good level of talent on defense. Not even DJ or Champ had a good year last year. It's rough times for the talent level in Denver.
Denver has made the decisions they've made in the past 9 weeks because the orgnization was out of control. Now, Denver does have a good young QB, WRs, FB, and OL as its cornerstone, so that's a great silver lining, but Denver also has some work to do and it will take a few years to get where we all want them to be.
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Overstatement
while the defense was atrocious last year the situation is not as dire as Lombardi paints it. We have several serviceable players, not stars but serviceable, to build on and a few promising youngsters.
What Denver desperately needs are three positions:
1. a dominant run-stuffing NT/DT doesn’t matter which. The most under-rated position on defense is the run stuffing DT. One of these can instantly improve the entire defense.
2. A play making LB – Because of DJ’s versatility is doesn’t matter whether inside or outside, but we need a real play maker.
3. A quality cover safety. The lack of coverage ability at safety has been a problem the past two years. It leaves our CBs exposed and leads to long gains down the middle.
In addition the Broncos need someone to step up and assume leadership on defense. We were spoiled by Al Wilson and John Lynch and the leadership they brought to the team. Now someone new needs to step up and challenge their teammates to play at a higher level.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 13, 2009 1:05 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, not completely, but on the degree of overstatement
Yeah, he basically says we should throw everyone out and start over, in my opinion you are understating the atrocious (great work, nice word) talent level on D
For a 3-4, Denver needs:
a NT, depth at NT
ILB
OLB
DE (at least 1)
2 safeties
at least one more corner
Thats 8 players, 5 starters, iMO
Agree on leadership. I almost feel like we kept thinking Dj would take over, but never did.
Personally, I think DJ’s above average, but not great. I think we need a verteran safety and a safety from the draft. I also think that we need an outside rush end who’s name isn’t Jarvis Moss, because you have to be able to play in space, and I HOPE Dumervil fits that bill. BUT there is a TON of talent in the draft at rush end and Denver MUST find a disruptive player to make a l;iving behind the LOS. We need an ILB who plays in traffic WAY better than DJ does.
I hope Powell can do something, I really do, and if all 3 of Denver’s 2006 defensive draft picks are off the roster by next January I will not at all be surprised.
I live here. I’m a season ticket holder. I have Broncos ink on my body.
But I am downright embarassed by the lack of organization, professionalism, and overall lack of talent EVERYWHERE on the team except for QB, 2 WRs, FB, RT, LT, C, G, and TE. That’s about 10 guys out of 53.
I hate our corners and we are wasting money on them BOTH. Tehy do you NO GOOD with zero pass rush.
I’m sick of waiting for DJ to have his “break out year”
We haven’t had a good safety since Atwater and Chicken retired. Lynch was a good hitter, but did you ever think about why? It’s because if he was 2 steps faster, he cold have knocked the pass down but because he’s not, he HAS to be a hitter.
Our LBs went from one of the BEST units to one of the WORST units with one guy’s career: Al Wilson. Maybe the most underrated player Denver’s had in the last 15 years.
We still…STILL…have no D-Linemen. Denver hasn’t had a rally good d-lineman since friggin Bert Berry and we all know how that played out.
Gawd, I’d kill for an AVERAGE defense in the next 2 years.
Denver hasn’t been “close” to doing anything good in the last 10 years except for ‘05, but that’s it. I am not proud of this organization.
Maybe we can get a few extra million from the bailout bill, ’cause we need it this offseason.
by super7 on Feb 13, 2009 1:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude Calm down
First of all. We only drafted one defensive player in 2006 and that was Doom. He will be on this team next year. I think you are talking about 2007 draft with moss, crowder and thomas. Of the three Thomas will be the only starter next year. He is not an elite DT yet but he has the potential and did not play half bad considering 2008 was his first full season as a starter. Moss improved some last year and showed some flashes but he needs to be a chance to be coached up by the new staff. He is the ideal fit for a 3-4 OLB. He was projected to be a better fit as a OLB in the 3-4 coming out of college.
Your Lynch comment is crazy. Lynch is was a great safety and a future hall of famer. He was never the fastest safety. He was always a big hitter since his rookie year. Atwater was a great safety but you are a little biast because he was with the broncos from day 1 of his career.
I also think everyone on this site is not giving DOOM any credit. He has the talent to be an every down player. He was double and tripled most of year. If he had 1 more DT and DE to take blockers off of DOOM he would get a ton of sacks every year. Look back at games in 2007 where he was not doubled as much and he came away with 12.5 sacks. Just because the guy is short does not mean he can not be an every down player.
Dj is our best linebacker. he played great when he had a reliable front 4, gold and wilson next to him. He is a great talent and will thrive when they surrond him with some decent talent. The problem is DJ, DOOM, and Thomas are the only starters we should keep from last years front 7. Key note is Woodyard was not considered a starter.
Also all you people in doom and gloom moods need to calm down.
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 13, 2009 2:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
All you people with rosy outlooks are NUTS!
I love Doom, I think he has upside in the 3-4, but it’s notreasonable to assume that he’ll have 10 sacks and 70 tackles next year. I hope he can do the job if he gets it.
I frankly don’t think we have personnel for either the 3-4 or the 4-3 so it doesn’t matter, but Denver needs a tack and they need to stick with it.
So, Doom has upside in my book.
I don’t think we’re ever gonna get more outta DJ than we got in 2005, but that was with a good defense that didn’t need to be destroyed.
I can’t honestly or realistically think of anyone that I’d trade FOR if I was another team other than Doom, maaaayybe Champ, and maybe Marcus Thomas.
I’m over bringin in old “in the box safeties” and I want a centerfielder. Too bad we needed Ashley Lelie so bad in 2002.
I’ve just had it with all the BS about “we’re not in that bad of shape” “This guy can simply switch to a different position next year” “we can just draft one or two big names and suddely the D will be better” chatter that I keep hearing.
Denver’s a few years away from getting the talent it needs.
Trust me, I’m fine. I’m not even in the red right now in how pissed I am at Denver (see Jacksonville playoff loss-January of 1997 for reference).
I just thik we need to be realistic.
by super7 on Feb 13, 2009 2:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
and you're right...
Lynch wasn’t that bad, but we need to draft players who have upside, not sign players who are on their downside, like Lynch.
I LOVED Lynch, but he was getting worse & worse-slower&slower with every passing year.
by super7 on Feb 13, 2009 2:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said I have a rosy outlook.
I think we are a couple of years away from building a top 10 D. Now I do think they will improve the defense next year. McDaniels already knows what he wants and probably has the players he wants in FA. He will patch together a decent D next year. Now there is a chance that they turn around the D and surprise everyone. Look at what the MIA did last year. I just think some people on this site think there is no talent what so ever on the D which is not true. It seems from comments i have read that a lot of people are already ok with the idea that the D will suck again next year which is not the way to look at it.
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 13, 2009 3:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Not hard to improve something that is the worst in the NFL...
so thats a positive.
I hope to hell that we work out something with the Pats for Wilfork.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Feb 14, 2009 9:08 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought last year
that the defense couldn’t possibly be any worse. Silly me. But I really, really mean it this time. We can only get better.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 15, 2009 4:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You are right
we do need to be realistic. Look at the past 14 years. Two SB wins, 7 playoff appearance, 7 years with 10 or more wins, only 2 losing seasons (6-10, 7-9). I would hardly say that Shannahan drove this team into the ground as appears to be such a popular notion lately.
Let’s compare to a team considered one of the greatest dynasties in history, the Patriots of the last 14 years. Three SB wins, 9 playoff appearances, 9 years with 10 or more wins, two losing seasons, (6-10, 5-11). Not bad in comparison really.
Now don’t tell me that I’m settling, yes I want the Broncos to be better. Yes I want to fix the defense. But the team isn’t ruined; DJ already had his breakout year when he was almost ROY, or last year when he was the second leading tackler in football. We have Thomas and Robertson. Doom and Ekuban are at the very least sold rotational depth; you have to give them that. Two great corners.
Yes, people like Engelberger should be playing STs at best. Turnover needs to happen; some people have settled in and need to be woken up. I’m not going to argue too much with you at safety, the M and M boys were not great pickups in my opinion.
Don’t sell me doom and gloom. I’m a Pirates fan. Now that is some gloom.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Feb 13, 2009 9:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't saying we only needed those three, but....
If we added a dominant DT/NT, a play-making LB and a good cover safety, we could fill the other positions with existing players of draft signings. It really doesn’t take many stars to turn a bunch of average players into a great unit if you have good leadership.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 13, 2009 2:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially in a system like the 3-4 or Hybrid....
Thats is predicated on WHOLE team play and is so reliant on the front 3 and 1 playmaking/blitzinf OLB.
I agree SWG.
Thats why we need to get on the phones to the Pats NOW and get Wilfork….then go Rey or Cush in the draft and take a NT development player in draft.
The NT is the lynch pin!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Feb 14, 2009 9:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with some of this, disagree with other parts
I happen to think Bly’s role this year has been extremely undervalued. He may have even had one of his best years as a pro, not because he had amazing stats or wasn’t burned a few times, but because he spent a lot of his time making incredible saves when others had failed in their responsibilities, but kept a positive tone going on the field at times when people could have started losing their heads. IMHO he’d be the perfect complement to Bailey if we ever got a decent pass rush. My opinion.
HOWEVER … I definitely enjoy seeing Kisla getting called out by a Lombardi on the national stage. Is that … wrong?? It sure feels right! : )
C
Win or lose, do it fairly. -- Knute Rockne
by broncosmontana on Feb 13, 2009 3:07 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
That's a fair point BM
I agree, but we fon’t even have CLOSE to a pass rush and we’re not one offseason from even a good one, don’t you think?
by super7 on Feb 13, 2009 3:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I am hopeful but not optimistic, I guess. And that’s one reason I’m inclined to be okay with trading Bly. Still be sorry to see him go, because I do think that in tough times chemistry is critical.
Win or lose, do it fairly. -- Knute Rockne
by broncosmontana on Feb 13, 2009 3:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We wont get anything for Bly and he deserves a chance to shine with some decent safety help over the top...
And I TOTALLY blame SHanny for this frickin mess….Shanny the GM.
Bowln needs some blame to for not monitoring this team.
Shanny got away too long on his past record.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Feb 14, 2009 9:13 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
We are one good DT away from a pass rush. Once you have a DT who can push the line backwards it opens up so much more. The O-line has to double-team or there’s no where for the QB to step up. If they double the DT it leaves the other lineman in man on man blocking. Blitzes work better. It really does make a HUGE difference. That’s why, dollar for dollar, a great DT may be the best expense a team can make.
the MSM acts like it was Rivera who turned around SD’s defense but I truly think it was just a healthier Jamal Williams.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 13, 2009 8:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Rivera did wake them up and get them excited, but they had several players come back from injury and Luis Castillo got hot – when he is, he’s rough to block. Talk about explosive. Olshansky – not so much, and I don’t know why, which could matter since he’s a FA.
Yes – we have some pieces that are better than we showed. Slowik’s schemes were the splenda in our gas tank.
Couldn't You Guys Play Nice?
by Emmett Smith on Feb 13, 2009 10:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I am being polite here....
But Slowik is as useful as tits on a bull!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Feb 14, 2009 9:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Medically speaking
We refer to that as “mammaries on a large male cow”, but I can’t fault your analogy, boyd
Couldn't You Guys Play Nice?
by Emmett Smith on Feb 14, 2009 12:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice... ;)
Slowik’s schemes were the splenda in our gas tank.
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
by donbok1 on Feb 14, 2009 10:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely right about Jamal Williams
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Feb 14, 2009 7:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We acquire a good DT/NT and bring in a guy like Canty we look a lot better!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Feb 14, 2009 9:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Way to stir up the old pot super! Good Post!
Did anyone even consider that Nolan is here, not to select players to fit a standard scheme, but to utilize the unique skill sets of some of our players. Can DOOM be used as a LB in some situations and DE in others? Can that ber used to confuse opposing QB’s and DCs? Same with Moss. Can we scheme around his speed and quickness rather than try to fill the need as a prototypical DE? I really feel that there are fiver or six players on the defensive side of the ball that we should keep.
It all starts in the trenches HT 11/11/08
Hillis=Cowbell. You can’t have too much. styg 01/29/09
by firstfan on Feb 13, 2009 4:52 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
and on top of the logical implications, I actually LIKE some of these guys. I can be a real sucker sometimes, and I really want to see what Moss can do….
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 13, 2009 7:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Win or lose, do it fairly. -- Knute Rockne
by broncosmontana on Feb 14, 2009 1:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Moss has upside....
There are many tails of guys drfated by teams using the wrong system for their skill sets.
Moss would have been awesome at New England or Pittsburgh with his skill set. Shaun Cody would have been a lot better in a 3-4 but was drafted by Detroit.
Tonnes of stories like these out there.
COdy would be VERY good for our team and would come cheaply!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Feb 14, 2009 9:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
wow...step back and look at our defensive players
i sometimes wonder how we would think of our players if they were on another team…here is what we might think…the defensive line has a few average players and a few situational players but maybe none of them would be every down players on another team (even elvis) because they are too small or too weak….the linebackers are to injured or to out of position or to small…even the new guys…and maybe none of them would be every down players on a really good team (even williams might not play every down)…the defensive backs…wow…a one time great star who is hurt all the time now…and a gambler who cant tackle…and safeties who arent
so…if you were looking at this group playing on…like the raiders…what would you think…yah…you would want to play them every game i bet
its time for a change…and maybe we get rid of everyone we can and still be in not-salary cap trouble…and bring in people who want to be in denver (like a lot of the backups we drafted this year but really arent big enough or fast enough to be real starters)…and are really the right people for the team…you know…they are fast enough and big enough and strong enough
anyway…thats what i think
by JaysGirl on Feb 15, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point....
as fans we often fall in love with players because we know them, not because they are actually that good. But I also think several other teams have shown that it doesn’t take that much to turn a bunch of “average players and situational players” into an effective team if they have good coaching.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 15, 2009 11:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
I don’t think one hamstring pull qualifies as “hurt all the time”
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Feb 15, 2009 3:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
err sorry
I mean groin tear, don’t know why hamstring pull came out…
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Feb 15, 2009 3:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, ya, LOTZ of changes, but...
I’m taking the wait and see approach!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Feb 15, 2009 5:53 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

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