The H-Back: Using the Magic Option
Some posts have recently noted that one option, perhaps our best, would be using Peyton Hillis as an 'H-back'. I did a little digging, asked our resident authorities some questions and came up with a short analysis that I'd like to share.
H-back. For what it's worth, I'm not sure this is the best role for Hillis this year: at the least, not his only one. We probably are in need of him at RB, but we know that McD does value versatility. If that's the case, there's really no reason to limit Hillis to one role or the other. While his running style might create the potential for some injuries, it does reduce others. It's always better to be the hitter than the hittee, and Hillis likes hitting people when he runs. Since he also catches well and blocks fairly well in certain situations, we can use him in different roles. After all - that's one idea of the function of the H back. But first, let's define our terms.
I'd run into the term ‘H-back' a few times over the years and thought I had a loose idea of what an H-back is and does. Ted Bartlett was kind enough to pitch in:
"The concept of the H-back originated in the 1980s with Joe Gibbs and the Redskins. The thought emerged from the need to get a blocker into the body of Lawrence Taylor quickly.The term H-back basically means, "motion TE." The Skins would typically use 1 RB, 1 TE, 2 WR, and this H-back as their base offensive personnel grouping. The in-line TE would be a bigger, more blocking-focused player. The H-back would be a somewhat more maneuverable type, but still a blocking-focused guy. He would usually line up 1 step behind the line of scrimmage, either outside the in-line TE (double wing,) or outside the weakside Tackle (balanced,) depending on the particular play. He'd frequently go in motion, either taking the offense from the double wing look to a balanced look, or from a balanced look to a double wing look. The famous Redskins Counter Trey usually began from a balanced Ace set, and featured the H-back motioning to the strong side, and sealing the backside edge along with the in-line TE, with the backside Guard & Tackle pulling to the playside to lead the running play.The perception among media hacks is that any TE who catches the ball better than he blocks is an H-back, especially if he wears a number in the 40s (like Chris Cooley and Dallas Clark.) In actuality, the H-back position was conceived to get a good blocker into position to block an edge defensive player quickly. It was simply a redeployment of the traditional fullback, strategy-wise. The FB is usually hitting an ILB, and the H-back would usually hit an OLB.H-backs, in the true sense of the concept, are not commonly used in today's NFL schemes. The use of the term H-back is almost always misplaced by media types, to make themselves sound like they know what they are talking about. It's sort of like the term "Wildcat," how that has become so commonplace."
That certainly doesn't seem any kind of a fit for Hillis' skills. What was going on? An article of Pat Kirwan's had given me more info last year and it surfaced again this week when I was researching NE and trying to mine some info on McD's thoughts on offense. Kirwan had some thoughts on the evolution of the fullback and tight end positions (you can find the whole article here). It's his contention that the role is morphing. This is what he had to say on the possible evolution of the position:
"Tight end/fullback
These two dinosaurs go hand in hand, because they essentially have morphed into a new position.
For years, the fullback was a big bodied blocker who led his tailback into the line and blocked the inside linebacker on an iso lead. If he was lucky he would carry the ball 10 times a year. While those traits still hold true to some extent, the bigger role of the fullback in today's pass-oriented NFL is that of a receiver. Many fullbacks, like Tony Richardson, now with the Jets, have made their living as blockers who can catch the screen or make a play in the flat, but also understand blitz pickups and how to protect their QB.
Kyle Brady, a current free agent who most recently played with the Patriots, is your standard in-line tight end. He's a mountain of a man who can block and basically serves as an additional lineman, both in the run game and pass protection. He can help an overmatched OT with the edge rush, and coaches will always drool over that kind of player. However, the current demands of the position also require teams to look for a smaller tight end who can run and catch.
Spread offenses like those used in New England (emphasis is mine) and Indianapolis like to employ the tight end as a receiver split out into the slot. These players generally have too much speed for the linebackers in coverage and too much size for the safeties. The best players at the position today, like Cleveland's Kellen Winslow Jr. have a good balance of both skill sets -- but they are primarily asked to be downfield receiving threats.
Then there's the H-back. Chris Cooley in Washington is probably the ideal example. These players have the ability to line up anywhere -- as a back, split out, or in motion -- using their alignments in combination with their speed and receiving skills to exploit weaknesses in coverage. Generally thought to lack the size and strength to be dominant blockers, players such as Cooley and recent Jets draft pick Dustin Heller are generally better when asked to block in open space. But make no mistake; the H-back is considered an offensive weapon, especially in a West Coast type offense that relies on short underneath routes. He can be the best friend of a young quarterback who needs a reliable target in the middle of the field. Just take a look at Cooley's numbers in recent years and you'll see what I mean.
In the end, while many sports are going through an age of specialization, the NFL is looking for versatility in players who can do a variety of things, fill several roles, and in the process, save dollars under the salary cap. Those players are generally gone by May, so expect teams to take a harder look at their needs, especially at these traditional positions, and limit their search to players who can fill specific roles on their team and affect situations that will be dictated by the opponents teams will play this year."
So, Kirwan claims that the H-back is more multifunctional. But both Ted, whose knowledge of football history is encyclopedic, and the learned HT, who also quoted Wikipedia, disagree. Wiki said,
Offensive formations that used the H-back are not commonly used in professional football today.
This tells me that there are really two terms. The first is used properly, and refers to a specific blocking player. The second is more of a common parlance, and suggests a theoretical, but assumedly multifunctional (although vague and ill-defined), role. It's kind of sloppy, but common stuff.
HT had another perspective that bears on this. He did a wonderful article on the Magic 3, and reading it will tell you more than I ever could (here) . He will take you through the offensive and defensive influence of the TE position and talk to you about all the basics, but it's here to take us to the Magic 3.
"Five o-linemen and a QB. One RB and one WR (weakside). Three TEs to the strongside. For years this formation has been discussed over drinks by coaches as the "dream" or "magic" second coming of classical football. The day when football comes full circle and returns to the 1930s and 40s. The day when an offense is run the way it was always meant to run, but with the modern twist of the forward pass and advanced theories learned for the last century. Many coaches believe this formation will be the future of football, and revolutionize the way the game is played. Defensive coordinators like me consider it a nightmare. It will throw most defensive theory out of the window until a counter can be developed. Why is the formation considered by football theorists to be magic?
The formation looks like a goal line formation. The only way to stop the run is to (likewise) set up a goal line defense. But what happens when those three TEs (all a half step back from the line) are eligible to catch the ball? The subtle tricks are just as dangerous. Let's say an opposing team lines up at least one CB to cover on of the TEs. in a run play that CB probably gets knocked on his butt. Not impressed yet?
How about this? In the formation there is still room for motion. There is also room for one or more of the TEs to line up wide. How about one wide, one slot, one back with the RB, then a motion brings the wide in against the line? All of a sudden a pass defense with multiple DBs faces a "jumbo" run play.
The new formations and the new approach would revolutionize many aspects of football. For example, most teams might have one very good CB in a formation (to go against the WR), but place more emphasis on a CB/LB hybrid player to match with TEs on the line. The safety position would likewise probably drop to one on the field. The FB would vanish all together. TEs who further specialize might become "wings" instead of "TEs". The TE and RB become the emphasis in offense, not the QB or WR. "Wings" would not only catch and block like modern TEs, but run and block, further leading to confusion.
Another drastic change foreseen is that the emphasis would change from "run vs. pass" on offenses to "power vs. finesse". The new system could be run as a powerful smash mouth tool, or it could rely on deception and timing."
You should, if you haven't done so yet, take a few minutes and read the entire article. HT's passion for this option flows through the text and leaps off the pages. If the formation makes a defensive coordinator like HT worried, it should make the right team downright excited. You'd need the right players - a rare combination of WR, TE, RB, coaches and coordinator, but it's an exciting concept.
All of this is very good information and will help us to see and use our Bronco multi-talented TEs in a new light. You could also see how Hillis as a ‘wing' could be a fearsome weapon if we use this formation, as could Pittman. But, I added much of this article to get us to one important sentence.
"Notably, the Patriots used the 3TE for a series in the last regular season game in '07 against the NYGs."
Far more notably, Josh McD was the offensive coordinator when that option was trotted out.
Why didn't they use it more? I don't know. Perhaps the personnel changed, perhaps the HC wasn't ready for it, perhaps, perhaps. But we know a few things.
We know that McD is very excited about doing something new, something different. If you look through his interview transcripts, he has mentioned this a few times. What is ‘It'?
We know that Eddie Royal is brutal to cover one-on-one because his routes are almost preternaturally precise. He fits the WR portion of this formation.
We know that Brandon Marshall is noted for his blocking, and doesn't mind blocking for his other WRs to catch the ball as long as he gets his. That's a 6'4, 230 lb WR we're talking about - a few pounds away from another TE, but with better speed and decent route-running. That may create even more options.
We know that Michael Pittman needs his runs reduced or monitored, but that he has soft hands and can catch in space.
We know that Scheffler is a tough, talented receiver. That Daniel Graham can both block and catch the ball very, very well.
That Peyton Hillis has soft hands, a wide, strong build and can catch, run and block.
And that McD is one of the few coaches who brought the Magic 3 out of the taverns, restaurants and back rooms and onto the NFL playing field.
We know that he came to the first meeting with Pat Bowlen with an intricate and well-thought-out plan for the offense as well as the overall team strategy. He impressed Pat; he even impressed the lately-lamented Jim Goodman. Whatever it was that he brought to those first meetings, he must have already had it in a near-presentation form, since he had relatively little time to prepare before his first interview. He was able to talk about ‘something' - his vision - for hours, and reputedly had a full presentation with him. That ‘something' got him more interviews, permitted him to get other people excited about ‘It'. That ‘It' got him a HC position in a storied and popular franchise. And he has talked about doing something new.
It takes us full-circle to the H-Back. No, there isn't any reason to limit Hillis - or Pittman, or Marshall - to a single role, especially not a blocking role for which Hillis isn't all that effective. Versatility is the name of the game, and that goes for the players and for the schemes.
Imagine what the defensive coordinator is going to do if having Marshall, Graham, Scheffler, Torain and Hillis on the field at the same time could be a variant of the Magic 3 formation or any number of running or passing plays. When the same holds true if it's Royal, Hillis, Scheffler, Graham and Pittman or any of a half dozen other combinations of our current players, not to mention the options Xanders and McD will obtain. Since seppuku (hara kiri) isn't part of our culture, liquor for their pain comes to mind. It will, in HT's own words, be a nightmare.
HT added this when he posted his tight end analysis (here):
"In 2008, Denver's offense was both explosive (gaining multiple yards in the air game), and disappointing (red zone issues and key interceptions). Despite the issues with injured RBs, the offensive line (with close TE support) kept the Broncos' OL producing. Denver's offensive tackles absolutely shined in '08 in the pass rush, with at least one TE pass blocking on most plays.
As a group, the TEs also were responsible for their share of first downs in the air, TDs, yards, and value as "safety valves" for Jay Cutler whenever he was under pressure.
Because Denver boasted two starting quality TEs, the team could play a deadly two TE set, allowing protection from 3-4 defenses while adding complexity to whether the offense was using players as blockers or receivers."
Considering the inherent goal-line or short-field nature of the Magic 3 (although it can and should be played anywhere) there is also power in using it in the red zone - especially if it hasn't been used a great deal. Suddenly the defense is up against a formation they are unused to, that could be running plays they've never seen. We could improve our scoring, at least in theory. We're not far from theory being fact.
Somehow, suddenly, the whole transition process seems that much happier to me. I'm not certain that this is the direction that the Broncos are going. But I do know that we are one of a very, very few teams who could run it, and that McD is one of the very few coaches to ever put it on the field. Anything that gives HT nightmares as a DC is just fine by me.
Just to be clear, I don't think that this is the only scheme we would run, nor should it be. In fact, that's one of its best points - it's just one option, but an option that no one currently has a plan for, and one that we can move to without even substituting between plays. If we do substitute, there's still no way to know what approach we will use until we line up, and no way to tell which of the many variations we are running out of that formation until we are running it. Versatility is indeed the name of the game, and that has me excited all over again.
Can you guess why Daniel Graham is smiling?
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Nice Read
I found this post to be very Educational, Insightful, and Really Exciting because of the playbook possibilities it highlights with the Broncos current roster. Thanks for expanding my brain and keep up the Good Work!!
by sugarshane on Feb 19, 2009 9:34 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Excellent post, and very exciting for our team. I hope that this is an option for our team going forward. Marshall seems like a perfect fit, even Tony Gonzalez, at TE by trade, said that he was ‘looking up’ at him, and he’s a willing and effective blocker.
That whole paragraph about McDaniels having a presentation ready to show Bowlen and Goodman resonates with me. Maybe it was this 3TE design. I could be devastating.
I’m very impressed with the article. Excellent job.
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by solace on Feb 19, 2009 10:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I didn't mean that I am devastating
I meant that the 3TE set could be devastating. ;D
A little bit of a misnomer, for you will find no solace here.
by solace on Feb 19, 2009 10:08 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 indeed
Very exciting indeed! It’s absolutely thrilling to contemplate. By all means, let’s go get Tony!
Another deep, collaborative work of staggering insight. Great job, guys.
And solace, I’m sure with the right tailor you could be devastating. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Feb 19, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
excellent article!
I hope the puzzle you have pieced together is correct. I don’t know if it was the way you presented it, or wishful thinking, but this makes complete sense and it feels like this may be the “it” McD is planning. I would love to see plenty of the Magic 3 this year. Imagine the confusion on D when we break from the huddle and line up in that.
by c_style on Feb 19, 2009 9:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, c_style
I hope it’s neither – but it adds to the enjoyment to be on the lookout for it. Thank HT for his article – without it, we wouldn’t have the ‘option’ :-)
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Feb 19, 2009 10:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Pat Kirwan is a smart football guy...
but I think he is framing his definition of H-Back to match most people’s existing understanding of the term. It’s the difference between a factoid (something which is not a fact, but is widely believed to be) and a fact. The classic Redskins H-Back of the 1980s was Clint Didier, who didn’t catch a lot of passes. The term H-back, as invented by Joe Gibbs, means only what Joe Gibbs meant it to mean, in my view of the world.
Certain specific terms enter the parlance of football enthusiasts, and are somewhat annoyingly applied to all of football. A good example is the term Red Zone. Some coach in the 80s (I don’t remember which one, unfortunately) shared with John Madden that his team called the area between the 20 and the goal line, going in, the Red Zone. Madden mentioned it in a game, and now it’s a universal term, and TV and radio shows are named after it. Truth is, most teams don’t actually call it the Red Zone, and a coach will only use that term in a press conference for convenience’s sake, because the reporter asking the question, and Joe Six-Pack watching the thing on ESPNEWS knows what he means in that term.
Terms like spread offense, H-back, Wildcat, Predator, and Monster back make their way into common usage, and before you know it, are misapplied all over the place. It kind of bugs me, but for purposes of easy packaging of the entertainment product, I guess I see why it happens.
PS I wrote a message to Peter King once, explaining to him that he was misusing the word “factoid.” He uses it to mean “an interesting little fact,” which is not a correct application of it. Since he uses it as a heading of his story (Factoid of the Week Which May Only Interest Me,) I thought that he’d like to know, and that he’d correct his ways. He ignored me, in true MSM fashion. :)
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by Ted Bartlett on Feb 19, 2009 9:37 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he did mean factoid...
You know…inaccurate statistic believed to be true because of repetition? That’s got MSM written all over it! :)
by phantom818 on Feb 19, 2009 10:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
And you gotta love Wiki
It’s ironic that the very definition of factoid has itself come to be a factoid.
Oh well, what can you expect? The MSM apparently doesn’t even know the definition of a HOF tight end.
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by broncosmontana on Feb 19, 2009 10:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ted
Thanks again for the help and the insight. By the way, the problem with King was that you were explaining a thought to him and he only had a thoughtoid in repsonse…
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Feb 19, 2009 2:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way Doc, great work here....
This piece adds a great deal of value to the site, and is another example of why MHR is the best source for Broncos news & analysis. We’re growing because of work like this. Rec’d & buzzed
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by Ted Bartlett on Feb 19, 2009 9:47 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
i spent years getting my fix from the post and rmn websites, since they were both better than anything i could get here in south florida.
at the MHR, though, the insight is more insightful and the discourse, more civil.
by neurospasm on Feb 20, 2009 1:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome post
I really liked the post but would a 46 defense with a combination of speed, smarts and strength be able counter the magic 3?
by maritimebronco on Feb 19, 2009 9:49 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
The dilema with the magic 3...
is that it can be both a power running formation AND a passing formation, assuming you have 3 two-way TEs. To defense the run, your LBs & SAFs have to crowd the line like a short yardage play. But if you do that, even in a 46, you become very vulnerable to play-action and the LWR is isolated on the RCB.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 20, 2009 1:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post broncobear
It’s interesting posts like this that make this part of the year seem so much longer. I hope we get to see this formation!
by NYBronco on Feb 19, 2009 10:19 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Very Nice!!!
Now that’s my kind of football! After 14 years of stability and predictability, I’m excited about all the possibilities we now face.
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by BornOrange on Feb 19, 2009 10:28 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'm psyched!
Imagine what the defensive coordinator is going to do if having Marshall, Graham, Scheffler, Torain and Hillis on the field at the same time
Especially in the red zone. With Cutler tossing it…….
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by bradley on Feb 19, 2009 10:41 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Hell, with Cutler *running* it!
Can you imagine this system with the added dimension of a mobile, rocket-armed QB?
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by broncosmontana on Feb 19, 2009 10:46 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The most the software will let me recommend your post is once
Sorry.
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by spock on Feb 19, 2009 10:48 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I got your back
This gave me shivers Bear!
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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 19, 2009 11:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work!
Thank you!
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by Tim Lynch on Feb 19, 2009 11:22 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Awesome article
I didn’t think I could be more excited for the new coach, but then you haul out this gem.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Feb 19, 2009 12:40 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Great Post Doc.
And so ( IT ) begins…….
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by UB3 on Feb 19, 2009 1:42 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
It took a while to digest all of this.
Many thanks bear for another outstanding post. I really enjoy your work and I never fail to learn from it. Also, thanks to TedBartlett for shining the light of information into the dark abyss of my skull.
I think we may see our new Coach developing innovative ways to utilize the unique skill sets of our players. The three tight end formation discussed here is but one example. Consider the situation when we have the ball inside the opponent’s 20 yard line. We could put Marshall, Scheffler, Graham, Torain and Hillis on the field at the same time. This group could run on almost any team and by using motion we could create a significant mismatch against any corner in the league. HT’s term "nightmare" would certainly apply.
I see us doing something equally innovative on defense. I have no clue what it could be, but I think we might see the unique talents of DOOM, Moss, DJ and Larson utilized in schemes and formations not seen before.
Once again, thanks for the excellent post.
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by firstfan on Feb 19, 2009 2:15 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'm telling you, this 2-5 concept is going to be killer.
Five linebackers? Awesome! They’ll never know where the blitz is coming from.
A little bit of a misnomer, for you will find no solace here.
by solace on Feb 19, 2009 2:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Heck, they won't know where the *gaps* are coming from! ; )
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by broncosmontana on Feb 19, 2009 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Or should I say
gap. There’d only be one in a 2-5!
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by broncosmontana on Feb 19, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
2-5?
anybody remember the game we played in our second matchup against the raiders the year they lost to tampa in the SB? ray rhodes basically ended his welcome in denver by playing a 2 lineman formation against rich gannon, who absolutely schredded us.
sure hope that’s not what we’re talking about here.
by neurospasm on Feb 20, 2009 1:17 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not - no worries
Check out some of HTs Mile High university articles – the Modern 3-4 Defense in particular. The name 5-2 was once used, but it doesn’t have meaning in today’s game to the best of my knowledge.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Feb 20, 2009 8:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, we were just referring to an earlier post
where we were joking about installing the 2-5 with two 700 lb. DTs ; )
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by broncosmontana on Feb 20, 2009 8:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
broncosmontana is referring to a tongue-in-cheek comment I made about a week ago titled News release from sometime in May 2010, which can be found here. I was lampooning the report, which I actually found very encouraging, of Pat Bowlen making it clear who’s in charge.
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by spock on Feb 20, 2009 11:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
when it comes to clearing up confusion, you guys don’t mess around.
by neurospasm on Feb 24, 2009 3:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If you watched the SB...
Pitts occasionally uses a 2-5 and a 2-4 front.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 20, 2009 1:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
You know, that’s a group that could be deadly with the Magic 3 – or using it as a decoy and running a different set off an audible. That was what really excited me as I contemplated it – the number of groupings, the infinite play options from them. Defensive chaos theory.
As far as our defense, I think that the primary innovation will involve ‘tackling’ and move on from there, but you’re right – I don’t know how they will work out, but McD has new concepts to deliver and that’s going to be fun all by itself. Thanks for the kind words, firstfan
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Feb 19, 2009 2:24 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Broncobear...very nicely done
Thanks for putting together a thoughtful piece on the Hammer. I am looking forward to seeing him healthy and productive for the Broncos in 2009. Hillis is just one more piece to the intrigue pie that is now the Denver Broncos.
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by Steve O' on Feb 19, 2009 3:32 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Hillis is only one option
One of the nice things about the Magic 3 is that it can run with such a range of players. We might pick up the fullack, T. Smith from Arizona, who is hoping to play in an offense that uses him more extensively. There are a lot of player options once you have the two TEs and some talent that can play H back.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Feb 19, 2009 7:07 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
wow gold nugget of an article
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by chikndnnr on Feb 19, 2009 7:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Nice write-up broncobear
Well this certainly give me something to get excited about. Also, the fact that McDaniels had a presentation ready shows that he has something solid to work on with our offense
Oh, and nice work HT on the “Magic 3” article. I understood it very well and I can see what you mean when talking about how defense coordinators may fear this formation.
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by weazel on Feb 20, 2009 1:02 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
2-Point Magic Conversion?
Wasn’t it the Magic 3 formation (or a variant of) that was used to score the winning touchdown and 2-point conversion against the Chargers? Any difference between that and what people refer to as the bunch formation – is it just different personnel and emphasis?
I have a recollection of watching the NFL Network and them talking about defending the formation with a 4 man box of two line backers, a safety and a corner.
by mikebirty on Feb 20, 2009 3:48 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Bunch formation is different....
Magic 3, sometimes called an elephant formation, is 3TEs lined on one side.
A Bunch formation places 3WRs close together in a V, but split out from the main formation. The forward WR forces the coverage and the two trailing WRs adjust their routes according to post-snap reads.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 20, 2009 1:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The discussion of the Magic 3 - One of my favorite of MHR
When we discuss this last year around this time, I was so excited about it. This formation brings tears to my eyes and I hope to see it in action.
Great article Bear. Nice to see many sources brought in to talk about the H-Back and the discussion of the Magic 3. Highly recommended as 2009 best article of the year.
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by YellowStoneBronco on Feb 20, 2009 1:14 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, YSB
Nice to see you posting – yes, I’m hoping that this year we get to see this run. It’s rare that a team has the players, but we have enough to run it in multiple ways and truly drive the DCs to drink
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Feb 20, 2009 9:12 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
That explains a lot
I wondered why The Broncos would cut a good blocking TE like Chad Mustard, but He is one dementional and obviousley doesn’t fit into a scheme such as this. Thanks for the post Bear, Well done Sr.! always a learning experience.
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by monodono on Feb 21, 2009 12:24 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Magic 3
Bear, Ted, and a sprinkle of HT. Very nice!
The more I contemplate our new head coach, the better I feel. He certainly must have a few things in mind (given the purge). While losing several players would make me nervous (it signals risk), it comforts me that Mickey Dee is willing to have a plan and to mover forward on it. Our biggest issue in ’08 (in my opinion) was the lack of any cohesive “plan”. The days of “seat of your pants” playcalling and team building o defense seems to be over.
A big rec to you Bear, and a hearty rec to Ted (MHR’s resident offensive coordinator in my book). Loved the read!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Feb 21, 2009 7:19 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Awesome...why did I not recommend this a month ago!
I completely agree with this psot and that we have guys who can make this very dangerous.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Mar 6, 2009 7:28 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

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