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Getting Defensive - Breaking down the prospects

This piece is dedicated to the defensive prospects for the upcoming 2009 draft. I want to make sure that everyone has a chance to see some of the guys that will be discussed frequently in the upcoming months. The clips are provided by "DraftParty" and show nice scouting footage and not just simple highlights. This post is focused on the defense talent available in the first and second rounds with a Knowshon Moreno cherry on top. I am sorry but the heart wants what the heart wants...I will not apologize! :)

The video clips were made by "DraftParty" and the scouting reports were found from a variety of writers at fftoolbox.com. To view the highlights simply click the player's name.

Defensive Tackles

First, lets start with the Defensive Tackles. As Bill Parcells loves to say, "If you find a big man who moves fast, you draft him."

B.J. Raji - So far this year Raji has generated a buzz. Many think he is overrated, others say he is exactly what we need. Here is what the scouts say...

"During the 2006 campaign, B.J. Raji tallied 8.5 tackles-for-loss and three sacks. Off that success, he could have been an early second day selection in the 2008 Draft. Since he was academically ineligible during the 2007 season, it was certainly an option. But Raji spent that season on the sidelines and came back strong in 2008. Early in the 2008 season, the 6-1, 323 pound defensive tackle has been a dominating run stopper and a tough match-up for any Atlantic Coast Conference opponent. Despite his size, Raji is deceptively quick. His first step is very impressive and then he will use his strength to simply run over the opposing lineman. Raji does just about everything well that one would hope from a defensive tackle. His positioning and instincts are solid and combined with his athleticism and strength, Raji pretty much has it all.

2/11 Update: Raji had a superb showing at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama. He often outworked, and was practically unblockable against, some of the best guard and center prospects in the draft. Raji has been doing that for about four years at Boston College, but showing his stuff at the Senior Bowl has made his draft stock sky rocket. Right now the worst case scenario for Raji looks like a top ten selection."

For the next DT we go across the nation...to USC. Fili Moala is a DT who plays with a non stop motor. Here is the scouting report on Moala.

"Fili Moala is yet another very good interior defensive line prospect from the University of Southern California. He has not been as productive this year as he was last year because he is seeing more double teams after Lawrence Jackson and Sedrick Ellis. Moala has played both the nose tackle and defensive tackle position while at Southern California. He is the second rated defensive tackle according to Mel Kiper Jr. He is a very active player with good quickness to beat offensive lineman off the snap. He lacks ideal lower body strength to anchor against the run, so he needs to add bulk and strength if he wants to be an every down lineman in the NFL. Moala needs to become stronger at the point of attack in order to help his run defense. Moala allows blockers to get inside too often and does not do a good enough job with his hands to keep them from pushing him around when they get into his pads. Moala is an ideal fit to play in an even front in the NFL. His quickness and upper body strength will allow him to excel if he is not facing constant double teams. If Moala can improve throughout the year he could be drafted in the middle of the first round, but will likely be an early second round pick"

Evander "Ziggy" Hood is an active DT who has made a quiet name for himself. He shouldn't make it past the second round.

"To many, Evander Hood came out of nowhere during Senior Week and emerged as a top defensive tackle prospect. His performance during the one-on-one drills quickly put him into the minds of NFL scouts and he is considered a possible first-round talent. Yet, his story started long ago for followers of Missouri and the Big 12 conference. Even as a freshman Hood was an impressive player who saw spot duty in 12 games. After struggling through much of the 2006 season with a broken foot, Hood emerged as a star in 2007 and 2008. During his senior campaign for the Tigers, Hood tallied 62 tackles, 7.0 tackles-for-loss and 5.0 sacks. Like the rest of the defense, he was overshadowed by Missouri's highflying, potent offense, but Hood has made a name for himself with his consistent play. If Hood impresses at the NFL Combine as much as he did during Senior Week, he could be a late first round selection. There are quite a few teams towards the bottom of the first round (like Atlanta, Indianapolis and Tennessee) that need some help at tackle and if Hood can separate himself from prospects like Fili Moala of USC and Sen'Derrick Marks of Auburn, he will sneak into the first round."

The final Defensive Tackle that I want to show you is Peria Jerry. Here is what the experts say.

"Jerry battled injuries (foot problem) throughout his freshman and sophomore campaigns, but he has remained healthy over the past one and a half seasons, and that has paid off. The defensive tackle was named Second-Team All-SEC by several media outlets as a junior in 2007, finishing sixth in the conference with 14 tackles for loss and second on the team in sacks and quarterback hurries. This season Jerry returned a fumble for a touchdown against Vanderbilt and he was credited with the crucial tackle when Mississippi stopped Tim Tebow on a critical fourth-and-one play that preserved an upset win over Florida. Jerry has made starts at defensive end, tackle, and nose guard during his collegiate career and NFL scouts will love such versatility. Durability, however, has to be at least a minor concern with him. He also has to get either bigger or faster (he is right around 4.9 in the 40-yard-dash on a great day) if he is interested in making a sizable impact at the next level. It would also help to establish himself as either a dominant pass-rusher or run-stuffer, whereas right now he is merely solid against both offensive sets. Jerry can cement himself as a second-rounder in April's draft if his stellar play continues."

Defensive Ends/Linebackers

Up next is the "hybrid" Defensive End/Linebackers. In the 3-4 defense an edge rusher is vital. I wouldn't be suprised for Denver to find a "hybrid" type of DE/LB with the 12th pick.

Brian Orakpo has some serious skills. It may be a stretch to hope he falls to the Broncos at 12. Here is the scouting report on Brian.

"Defensive end Brian Orakpo is a superb pass rusher. His numbers at Texas have been good so far, but are not that spectacular. He tallied four tackles-for-loss and a half a sack as a freshman and earned Big 12 Defensive Freshman of the Year honors. The following year he managed 4.5 sacks and six tackles-for-loss. As an upperclassman last season Orakpo improved those numbers and ended up with 5.5 sacks and nine tackles-for-loss, although his playing time was limited due to a knee injury. His numbers for 2008 through just a couple games are already impressive. But even without great numbers in 2008, Orakpo is an NFL ready defensive end. He is 6-4 and 258 pounds and a great athlete who can power or finesse his way into the backfield. He bench presses 515 pounds and squats 600. Those are some pretty impressive numbers, especially for a player who arrived in Austin undersized. If his knee stays healthy, Orakpo has the talent to be a first day selection in April. A strong showing in 2008 and at the Combine could easily move him into the first round. His versatility to play on the end or at linebacker is also a big plus.

Everette Brown is a young man that is vaulting up draft boards. The Florida State Seminole has talent off the edge.

"Even when Everette Brown was a freshman and played a limited role on the defense, the defensive end was very productive. He only started three games as a freshman in 2006, but he managed to tally 13.5 tackles-for-loss and three sacks. As a sophomore Brown started nine games, mostly at left end. On top of his 37 tackles, Brown ended the year with 6.5 sacks and 11.5 tackles-for-loss. The 2008 season has gone pretty well for Florida State. The Seminoles have started the season 6-1 and the defense and Brown deserve a lot of credit. In those seven games, Brown (who has started every game so far in the 2008 season) is leading the team with 11.0 tackles for loss and 6.0 sacks. That production has warranted some looks from NFL scouts. Brown has good size at 6-4 and 252 pounds, but he could stand to add some more strength. His speed and quickness are great assets, but he can get pushed around on occasion. The good news is that Brown has room on his frame to add some more muscle and NFL teams should be willing to work with him since he has skills and instincts that cannot be taught. If Brown does declare early for the draft, and his junior year continues to go as well as it has so far, Brown could be a second round selection. "

Tyson Jackson from LSU is another Defensive End that could interest the Broncos.

"At one point during the 2007 season, Jackson was thought to become a first round pick in the NFL Draft if he declined to return to Baton Rouge for his senior year. A disappointing junior campaign, however, left Jackson with a diminished draft stock and convinced him to return to LSU. He recorded only 3.5 sacks (down from 8.5 in his sophomore season) and 4.5 tackles-for-loss. Jackson needs to pick up his numbers in his last go at it as a senior, but through three games it has been a struggle. The defensive end has just 0.5 sacks, but he does lead the team in quarterback hurries with five. The good news for Jackson is that the NFL will love his physical makeup regardless of his stats. He can carry his 6'5", 292-pound frame through a 40-yard-dash in about 4.8 seconds. Jackson seems even faster than that coming off the end. His long wing span also comes in handy for wreaking havoc on opposing quarterbacks. Inconsistency is an issue for Jackson, but part of that is due to seeing double-teams from offensive lines. That won't happen to him in the NFL, at least not right away. A strong finish to the 2008 season will put Jackson in the first round come April."

The Outside linebacker position has some talent as well. One name popping up in the second round of recent mocks is Clint Sintim.

"After redshirting as freshman in 2004, Clint Sintim started every game as a freshman in 2005 and never looked back. During that freshman campaign he ranked fifth on the team in tackles, third in sacks and fourth in tackles-for-loss. His numbers steadily improved over his career and he tallied 45 tackles, 12.0 tackles-for-loss and four sacks in 2006. By his junior year Sintim was a leader of the defense and recorded 77 tackles, ranking third on the team. By his senior campaign he totaled 70 tackles, 11.0 sacks and 13.0 tackles-for-loss. His 0.92 sacks per game average in 2008 was the best among linebackers in the entire nation and he was rewarded with second-team All-ACC honors. Despite all the sacks, Sintim is a well balanced outside linebacker. He can deliver the big hit, get to the quarterback and drop back into coverage. At 6-3 and 254 pounds, he has the size to be a dominating linebacker in the NFL. To many pundits, Sintim is the second best outside linebacker after Wake Forest's Aaron Curry. That would put him ahead of players like Brian Cushing and Marcus Freeman. Senior week and the combine will be the difference maker, but Sintim could end up being a first round selection. He may not have gotten much recognition during the season due to the relatively poor performance of the Cavaliers, but that will change now. "

Another OLB that I like is Brian Cushing. Cushing is part of the dynamic USC defense. One knock on Cushing has been his injury issues.

"Cushing is an excellent outside linebacker whose injury history has really cut his production down during his collegiate career. He possesses a very good combination of height, bulk, and overall speed. He is very productive when he is on the field. Cushing is a very instinctual player and seems to play a step ahead of most defenders. He does not take very many wasted steps on the field. Cushing does a great job of play recognition and gets to the ball very quickly once he has diagnosed the play. Playing sideline to sideline with excellent speed, he does a good job of avoiding blockers. Cushing struggles to shed blockers once they have gotten into his pads. He is best suited to play the strong side in the NFL as he does a good job of covering the tight end. Cushing is a solid tackler, he does a good job of breaking down and making open field tackles against running backs and receivers. He is a good blitzer, but will not make a name for himself as a sacking outside linebacker in the NFL. Cushing has the size and ability to play outside in either a 3-4 or a 4-3 scheme. Cushing is Southern California's second leading tackler from his outside linebacker position with 33 tackles through 5 games, including 5 tackles for a loss and 1.5 sacks. If Cushing can stay healthy and productive, he could rise quickly in a weak outside linebacker class."

The cream of the OLB crop in many people's opinion is Aaron Curry from Wake Forest.

"Aaron Curry's name may not be recognizable to those outside of ACC country, but he has been the best player on one of the conference's best teams over the last few years. It sure did not take the 6-3 linebacker much time before he made his mark. In just the second game of his redshirt freshman year, Curry was inserted into the starting lineup and he has remained there ever since. As a freshman in 2005 he tallied 45 tackles. That number shot up to 83 during his sophomore campaign and 99 in 2007. It was also in 2007 when Curry returned three interceptions for touchdowns (which is really impressive for a linebacker). Curry is a big play linebacker and can deliver the big hit and cover a lot of ground. He is also extremely versatile and does a good job against both the run and the pass. The only negative to find with Curry is his awareness. There are times when he is out of position and makes mistakes. The hype might be low right now, but NFL scouts will not let Curry slip under the radar for too long. He has the tools and experience to be a first-round draft pick and that will not change between now and April. "

Middle Linebacker

Rey Maualuga is a genuine thumper. Some people say he doesn't play disciplined enough and over runs his gaps. Here is what the scouts say...

"Maualuga reminds many of another former USC linebacker, Junior Seau. Maualuga has great size and power. He may lack sideline to sideline speed, but does have good short-area quickness. He is surprisingly smooth for such a big linebacker. Maualuga has improved his instincts as a blitzer. Maualuga is a great middle linebacker prospect and in the right system could emerge as an even better pro than college player. Maualuga finished the 2007 season as USC's leading tackler with 79 tackles, including 10.5 tackles for a loss and 6 sacks. Maualuga had a great game in the 2008 Rose Bowl, including 3 sacks and an interception. He was named the game's "Outstanding Defensive Player." Maualuga is the most instinctual linebacker college football has seen in the last 5 years. He has shown an incredible knack for finding the ball early in the 2008 season. Maualuga sprained his knee in the fourth quarter of Southern California's loss to Oregon State. If he recovers from the injury and can remain productive without losing a step, he will be a top five selection in the 2009 draft."

The other MLB that has been a steady performer throughout his collegiate career is James Laurinaitis. Often drawing comparisions to Barrett Ruud of the Tampa Bay Bucs, Laurinaitis has contributed since he walked on the field at Ohio State. Here is what the scouts think.

"James Laurinaitis is one of the best football players that will be available (regardless of position) in the 2009 NFL Draft. Laurinaitis is coming off back to back 100 plus tackle seasons, where he has won the Nagurski Award (2006), the Butkus Award (2007), and the Bedinark Trophy (2007). The senior inside linebacker is one of the most highly decorated defenders in the history of college football, and came back for his senior season to collect even more hardware. Laurinaitis is nothing short of a monster in the middle of the field. He possesses great sideline to sideline speed, so he always seems to be in on the tackle. Doug Lesmerises of the Cleveland Plain Dealer wrote that he closes ground on tackles as well as any college linebacker you'll find. He played in 51 games during his career, and Laurinaitis has tallied 375 tackles, 24.5 tackles for loss, and 13 sacks. He registered a career high 19 tackles last season when the Buckeyes played Penn State. Laurinaitis is an excellent field general for his defense, equally adept against the run or the pass. He also intercepted 9 passes and broken up 7 in coverage, along with forcing 4 fumbles during his career, and added a fourth major award, the Lott Trophy, in 2008. The 6'3", 240 pound Laurinaitis' combination of size, speed, strength, and instincts will make him an ideal fit for any NFL defense. Teams looking for help on the outside may even consider Laurinaitis for the strong or weak side, to strengthen their team. He should be a top 15 to 20 pick depending on team needs, but will have stiff competition from USC's Rey Maualuga for the top linebacker spot in this draft."

Safties

Unfortunately for Denver, Taylor Mays decided to stay in school. Right now, Louis Delmas rates out as the top Safety. I don't think he is worth the 12 pick but he is a player to target perhaps in the second round. MHR member Donbok1 did a fantastic piece on Delmas. His video scouting tape can be seen here.

Another possible second round pick is Patrick Chung. He is a dynamic player who is plenty fast and is also a big hitter. Plus he can return punts, which is always nice!

Cornerbacks

The release of Dre Bly opens the door for the Broncos to look at cornerback. The best corner in the college game in 2008 was Malcolm Jenkins from Ohio State. Jenkins is believed by many to be able to start immediately for an NFL team.

"For the second year in a row, Malcolm Jenkins begins the season as the top cornerback prospect for the NFL Draft. Entering his fourth year as a starter for the Buckeyes, Jenkins possesses a rare blend of size, speed, and instinct at the position. Many teams needing secondary help will even consider him at the free safety position because of his outstanding open field tackling. He is an excellent cover man, but has the size to help out in run support like a safety. He played in 52 games at Ohio State, and registered 196 tackles, 13.5 tackles for loss, and forced 4 fumbles. In coverage, Jenkins has tallied an impressive 11 interceptions and 17 passes broken up - including two interceptions he has taken back for touchdowns. Jenkins showed another facet of his game this year that will likely be important as an NFL rookie, when he blocked 2 kicks playing special teams for the Buckeyes. Because teams try their best to throw away from him, he gets fewer chances to make big plays each year. Jenkins has excellent instincts and positioning in coverage. He's far less likely to get his hips out of position like other young corners, and makes fantastic breaks on the ball while it's in the air. According to the Ohio State Athletics website, Malcolm Jenkins runs a 4.3 in the 40 yard dash, a time that will have scouts drooling on their stop watches if he can do it. That type of speed at his size would vault him to the top of draft boards without his impressive resume. He also plays some of the best press coverage you'll ever see out of a college cornerback. Jenkins' physical tools, good technique, and big game experience should see him taken in the top 5 or at worst, the top 10 of the 2009 NFL Draft. "

Another cornerback that may be worth the 12th pick is Vontae Davis.  As you will see, freakish athleticism is a family affair.

"Vontae Davis is the younger brother of San Francisco tight end and former top ten pick, Vernon Davis. Athleticism obviously runs in this family, because both of the Davis brothers are freakishly strong and fast. Vontae is coming off an impressive sophomore campaign that saw him smother even the best receivers the Big Ten has to offer. Davis finished the season with 76 tackles, 4 tackles for loss, 4 interceptions, 8 passes broken up, and he even blocked 2 kicks on special teams. Other than Malcolm Jenkins, Davis is the best defensive back available in this year's draft. Davis has the potential to put up an untouchable amount of reps on the bench press, and possibly run in the high 4.3 range in the 40. Davis had a down year by his standards, but Illinois' abysmal pass rush didn't make his job any easier. He recorded 78 tackles, 7 tackles for loss, 2 interceptions, 10 passes broken up in coverage, and 3 forced fumbles during the 2008 campaign. During his time at Illinois, Davis has improved drastically. He has gotten to the point where opposing defenses have virtually stopped throwing in his direction; cutting the field in half for offenses. He would be a great fit for an aggressive team because he's an excellent blitzer. Davis is just as comfortable rushing the passer from the corner spot as he is in coverage. Davis is a sure fire first rounder this year, and shouldn't slide past the top 20 for any reason. "

Well, as you can see there are plenty of good options for adding some defensive talent in the draft. The Broncos new staff have their work cut out for them heading into this years draft. 

On top of the all defensive talent of course there is Knowshon Part 1 and don't forget Moreno Part 2.  I know how many of you feel about drafting a RB but after watching 15 mins of unforgettable footage, he is hard to ignore.

Whatever the Broncos decide to do in the NFL Draft, this year should be as exciting as ever, with a new direction, a new coach and a new attitude the Broncos are headed for exciting times.

Go Broncos!

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My vote

So I’m officially putting my vote on Rey Rey. I’ve been hesitant for awhile now, but I do think we need an impact LB with that pick. After watching more video, and watching the Senior Bowl again, I feel Rey is they guy.

-Laurinaitis: VERY disciplined. I haven’t seen him miss an assignment. My problem with him is that he plays on the D side of the line. What I mean is; he sits back and makes a lot of tackles 3-5yds deep. I noticed due to this he get’s blocked a ton. He sits in his gap waiting for the play to develop, giving time for an OL to get to the second level and get a block. I don’t see that working out for him real well in the pros.

-Rey, I do see the recklessness. Not a big fan of it, but the Broncs need a little of that aggressiveness. Watching old film of Al Wilson, I see similar styles there. Al was a more fundamental tackler, but they both play in the backfield and get there quick.

Like most everybody out there, I know the D just hasn’t been the same since Al got hurt. I have a gut feeling though that Rey can bring that same attitude and aggressiveness we’ve been missing.

By the way, great vid here. Hard to believe this was only 3yrs ago, and damn I miss #27.

by ten_fiver on Feb 20, 2009 8:19 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks ten_fiver!

Rey does look pretty good. Thanks for the video!

"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!

by Steve O' on Feb 20, 2009 9:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Keep up the good work

I definitely liked the breakdown. That was just my 2 cents about the ILB’s. I know a lot of scouts evaluate Rey about the same as I would evaluate N. Webster. I just think he’s got more going for him than that. And I know the video is off topic, it was just something I came across while I was looking for video of Al Wilson for LB comparison.

 I’m on board with hedgehog about the second round safetys. Another one that I got my eye on that should be around near the top of the second is Sean Smith out of Utah. Great breakdown!

by ten_fiver on Feb 20, 2009 10:39 PM MST up reply actions  

As much as I am for picking Rey Rey

One thing I think we shoudl all keep in mind, McD/ X-Man are NOT Mike Shannahan. We may look at Al Wilson as a dominate LB and I am not debating that. But Al was a Shanny pick not a McD pick. Just somethign to keep in mind.

"It seems like McDaniels is pouring the Orange and Blue Kool-Aid out of the cooler and starting with a fresh batch of purified water." -Harvey J. Neptune

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Feb 21, 2009 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

My problem

with this aggressiveness/recklessness is, didn’t we already have plenty of that? Isn’t that basically what Winborn and Webster provided, and everyone hate them for it? To me, this sounds EXACTLY like Winborn- very aggressive, gets into the backfield (the Larry Johnson run where Winborn over-blitzes and LJ runs for about 30 yards comes to mind), but with that aggressiveness you can’t always count him to hit his assignment, be in his gap, or make a proper tackle. I would rather have a rock you can build around, personally.

by poorboywilly on Feb 21, 2009 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

There are big differences

Webster in particular was out of postion constantly. Rey is at times. Winborn overpursured his gaps. Rey might, but it’s not that frequent or that extreme.

Frankly, Rey is a much better prospect and a better player now than either of these two. All draft reports mention errors and sometimes we see an issue as if a tendency is always as extreme or as egregious from player to the next. That’s not the case at all. Many of the best LBs, in college, have some level of that tendency if they are aggressive even in the best sense of the word. Rey’s ability to keep his head up and on a swivel, spot the ball, as well as to diagnose and blow up the play is very high.

Hillis in '09

by Doc Bear on Feb 21, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I just don't see Rey Rey fitting in McD's system...

Assuming that McD has a similar approach to systems and personnel that his mentor has, Maualuga doesn’t seem to fit the mold. NE’s concept of defense (and Nolan’s too) is based on every player knowing and executing his assignments consistently every play. The players have to be able to count on knowing exactly what the players in front, beside and behind them are going to do. It is the defensive equivalent of Indy’s offense – precision.

Rey Rey may turn out to be the next Ray Lewis or the next Nate Webster, but I serious doubt that he will be the next Bronco.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 21, 2009 5:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Very interesting SlowWhiteGuy

"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!

by Steve O' on Feb 21, 2009 6:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I still

can’t believe Lynch got a flag on that play against Kansas City. The defender even got up and hit him on the helmet! Fuck I hate the Chiefs.

I am Jack's unbridled optimism.

by A.J. Haefele on Feb 25, 2009 12:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Great job Steve O'

Nice break down on some great first round targets and possible second rounders in the two safeys!

rec’d!

by hedgehog2000 on Feb 20, 2009 9:46 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks hedgehog...

I am a Chung and Delmas fan. I really want Taylor Mays next year though. He reminds me of Atwater and would love to see him in Denver.

"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!

by Steve O' on Feb 20, 2009 10:54 PM MST up reply actions  

There is no way we get him

But for those of you who say Raji will be a bust, you better rethink that position. I have never seen a first step burst like he has at the size he is. I compare it to a 300 lb cannon ball being launched into the middle of an oppossing line. Who ever gets this guy is (barring injury) set for a long time at nt. If were lucky enough to get him ill be extremely excited for the upcoming season (like im not anyway lol).

by broncosorbust on Feb 21, 2009 5:09 AM MST reply actions  

Nice job man!

As we start to hear a little more about what Jedi is thinking going into the draft, I wonder how much weight versatility will be carrying on draft day. I think guys like Cushing, Max Unger, Vontae Davis, and Nic Harris may have all moved up the chart at Dove Valley. Cush can play three different positions easily. Unger could play any position on the OL. Davis is a corner that I personally think could move to safety, and Harris is a safety that will be working out with the LB’s at the combine. Just some food for thought for everyone.

Great job covering our first round hopefuls, and of course the safeties in the second. I’m still firmly on the Delmas fan bus.

From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports

by donbok1 on Feb 21, 2009 9:52 AM MST reply actions  

In the center/versatility debate

don’t forget Johnathon Luigs, Arkansas. He is versatile between the tackla and gurad positions, but he is also versatile in blocking skills, being a good trap guy, down blocker, etc. He is also just as good anchoring the middle for pass protection or finding the LB at the second level. Of the top centers Luigs should last the longest, and I would love to see him slip to us in the third, but it will pretty much require position runs elsewhere, to drive him down. Right now, in the likely scenario from my point of view, Luigs goes at the end of the second round, early third, and we just miss him.

What i don’t want to find is that we took someone with our top two picks that wasn’t an easily projected starter, but that is just my opinion on the value of thepicks. Unfortunately a guard or center is only likely to start in the event of injury, and would rather have a 100% guaranteed starter, which pretty much means defense with both picks. There could be some wonderful surprises. I’m sure, but I lean towards 2nd day C/G.

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 21, 2009 10:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Johathan Luigs...

is a great center prospect in my mind too, but I have a hard time picturing him as a fill in tackle. He looks really compact and his arms look a little short to move further outside than guard. Just my opinion though. He ran a really quick 40 at the combine, at 5.14 I think. I was hoping for a chance at him in the fourth, I didn’t realize he was projecting late second – early third.

I’m by no means petitioning for a C/G pick on day one, just thinking that the staff may be focusing on versatility a little more than we are here at MHR. If so, we may be surprised with a pick or two during this years draft.

From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports

by donbok1 on Feb 21, 2009 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

40 time correction...

NFL network just showed a 5.07 for Luigs

From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports

by donbok1 on Feb 21, 2009 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Since we need to realistically look

at replacing first Weigmann, and then Hamilton, I figure we need to look at good C/G. The great thing is, because Licks Ten Tigers looks like a good find, we can be patient and only get exactly who we want, at a good spot. If not this year than next year.

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 21, 2009 6:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Weigman has probably two more years...

and Hamilton four or so. With Lichtensteiger and Eslinger on the roster I just don’t see the Broncos going for a G/C that high, or even at all. Also, one of the supposed advantages of a ZB scheme is that players who aren’t coveted by other teams can be used hence you can draft your lineman later in the draft.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 21, 2009 6:19 PM MST up reply actions  

but the other side of the coin

is with more teams moving to the ZB scheme we are seeing more competion for those players

"It seems like McDaniels is pouring the Orange and Blue Kool-Aid out of the cooler and starting with a fresh batch of purified water." -Harvey J. Neptune

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Feb 21, 2009 6:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually I think that trend is reversing...

we’re starting to see teams like Carolina move away from ZB and back towards a more smash mouth approach, but your point is valid; there is more competition for those players than there used to be.

And this is all predicated on the assumption that Denver stays with the ZB, although since McD, McCoy & Dennison are all ZB guys that seems to be a good assumption.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 22, 2009 9:30 AM MST up reply actions  

I think we stay ZB

that was why we retained turner and dennison.

Teams like oakland Houston Atlanta and a few others are implementing ZB guys as well.

"It seems like McDaniels is pouring the Orange and Blue Kool-Aid out of the cooler and starting with a fresh batch of purified water." -Harvey J. Neptune

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Feb 22, 2009 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree that we stay ZB...

but Atlanta went ZB 5 years ago went Gibbs went there and Oakland made the shift three years ago. NE and Houston also run ZB schemes. That’s only 6 maybe 7 teams out of 32. I like those odds better than the other way (25/32).

by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 22, 2009 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

true

I can’t shake the feeling that we need depth on the line still. Eslinger, Polumbus, pears, are all fine but I don’t think we have any starters in that group. Klich could be a starter, maybe not. I would say that talented linemen are coveted by anyone, and that chances are we are going to move away from the chronically small linemen (we already have really) which is what teams haven’t coveted in the past. Luigs is ideal for a zoneblock, but any team who needs a center will like him, because he has a lot of talent.

But I don’t disagree with what you are saying. This year would be early to target more C/G depth, maybe too early, by at least a year.

One question I have is whether a rookie center could actually win the starting job from weigmann… McDaniels has talked a lot about improving every phase, so if Luigs is there in the third round, it would have to be awfully tempting…

Great points SWG!

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 21, 2009 7:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree with your assessment of the players...

though I think Pears may be the best third tackle in the NFL right now. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us use some 3-tackle formations in short yardage this year. I don’t think there are many starting centers in the NFL who could beat out Weigman. The guy is a stud! Jamal Williams considers him the toughest center he faced this year.

If the ideal pick fell in our laps it would be foolish to pass them up, but I agree that it’s at least a year too early to target the position given other needs.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 22, 2009 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Pears
though I think Pears may be the best third tackle in the NFL right now

Probably. He started for half a year at LT, then all of 07 at RT. Then got hurt in TC last year and lost his job to Harris (partly because Harris played so well). but Pears is a free agent, I think, having signed a four year deal as a CFA in 05. He should be able to get a starting job somewhere else.

You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra

by bradley on Feb 22, 2009 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Pears is a restricted free agent....

I wouldn’t be surprised, actually pleased, if the Broncos shopped him around like they did Myers last year. With the emergence of Polumbus, Pears could make great trade bait and with 9 picks this year we could stockpile picks for next year.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 22, 2009 1:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I didn't mean to say tackle and guard (or to misspell it so egregiously)

I meant center and guard positions. He’s pretty smart too, on top of the athleticism he should be showing at the combine…

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 21, 2009 3:50 PM MST up reply actions  

This is interesting

You’ve been plugging Luigs for nearly 2 months now (that I’ve seen).

I am Jack's unbridled optimism.

by A.J. Haefele on Feb 25, 2009 12:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Time she flies

I just don’t want anyone to forget him, that’s all… ;)

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 25, 2009 10:04 AM MST up reply actions  

I haven't.

You point a guy out, if she isn’t splashed all over my radar already, and gets that way. I trust you.

I am Jack's unbridled optimism.

by A.J. Haefele on Feb 26, 2009 5:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

One of the diffucult Q’s we have to ask bears on that. In three years, will our D be better with this guy? McD has been upfront about two important things – we are going to a 3-4 and 3-4 hybrid, and that we aren’t going to get to where we want to go this year. I’m happy about both. Open honesty is refreshing

We need starters with both picks, and we need to strengthen the area(s) or the D that need help the most.

Hillis in '09

by Doc Bear on Feb 21, 2009 11:35 AM MST reply actions  

Did anyone catch the comments on Rey M. ?

Here is what Lions coach said at the Combine

Lions coach Jim Schwartz admitted at the Combine that linebackers who can’t plan on all three downs don’t usually go high in the draft.

“Any linebacker that you’re going to draft early, part of that requirement’s probably going to be that he has to be on the field for three downs,” Schwartz said. “You don’t want a high draft pick that you’re afraid to have on the field for third down.” This is the concern with USC MLB Rey Maualuga, and probably the reason why Curtis Lofton didn’t go in the first round last year.

"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!

by Steve O' on Feb 22, 2009 8:15 AM MST reply actions  

It is a valid point

but all this three down talk is pretty recent. Maualuga doesn’t have a lot of 2008 film for blitzing or dropping back—because USC was such a balanced defense that each player played to their strengths last year. 2007 has some decent Rey coverage skills, but more importantly, the things a player needs to be able to do to drop back are all there for Rey: decent hips, quick feet, run/pass recognition. The debate can legitimately be had that without seeing more of his work inside a zone, we can’t tell whether he has a good “zone sense.” But from what I have seen in other prospects, good recognition and instincts around the line of scrimmage coincide with a good feeling for his zone in players with either trait. I’m guessing the same will be true of Rey.

Schwartz won’t be targetting Rey, but if he could have a hand in driving down interest in Rey, he would take a shot. A long shot. But I think you will hear the same thing out of teams that are closer to the middle of the round, teams which may be legitimately looking at whether to select Rey with the first pick. Chances are, it will be posturing. The thing to watch for is whether they say specifically that Rey cannot drop back into coverage. Schwartz’s comment, for example, doesn’t actually say anything about Rey, but it is loaded with implication.

Show me a coach that is willing to straight up say that Rey is incapable of being on the field for 3 downs, and I’ll show you a coach that would sell his mother to get Rey.

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 22, 2009 8:53 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Very good points

I often wonder how much “posturing” is done by coaches. I would have to doubt there would be any negative words towards a player in hope he falls. You are spot on with your final statement.

"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!

by Steve O' on Feb 22, 2009 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Awesome work man.

Is there such a thing as a Playstation 3 Anonymous? I can't seem to stop thinking about or playing COD 4 and COD 5. I hear this is quite normal for a teenager, but I haven't been a teenager since Bill Clinton was frolicking with interns.

by Tim Lynch on Feb 23, 2009 12:32 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks Zappa...

Just hope the fans get a chance to watch some game footage…I think it’s the best way to evaluate.

"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!

by Steve O' on Feb 23, 2009 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

It is without a doubt

the best way to get your own opinions.

I am Jack's unbridled optimism.

by A.J. Haefele on Feb 25, 2009 12:36 AM MST up reply actions  

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