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MHR 2008 Position Review -- Offensive Line

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Entering the 2008 re-loading season, I was pretty down on our offensive line, as you can see here and here.  The 2007 season saw the worst performance by the group since Mike Shanahan had become Head Coach in 1995.  Particularly in pass protection, the performance was just atrocious, especially over the last 4 games of the season.  It is fair to say that i considered the deficiency to be no less profound than the deficiency we see on defense heading into this re-loading season.  The starting five at the end of 2007 was a pretty motley bunch:  Matt Lepsis, Chris Kuper, Chris Myers, Montrae Holland, and Erik Pears.

Well, what a difference a year makes.  First of all, the Broncos got it absolutely right with the selection of Ryan Clady.  (So did I, incidentally, and my second-favorite guy, Jeff Otah was terrific for the Panthers, also.)  Clady was so good, that it's difficult to do it justice.  For such a young guy, he played as well as any Tackle I have seen since Tony Boselli, in his healthy prime in Jacksonville.    I've covered him separately, but he was absolutely suberb.  He replaced Lepsis, who had some good years for the Broncos, but was awful in 2007, before retiring.

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The other revelation was Ryan Harris on the right side.  I had it totally wrong with him, because I listened to what I heard, instead of watching what I saw.  Of course, he didn't play on offense as a rookie, so there was nothing to watch.  In any case, he was outstanding as a first-year starter at RT, and was absolutely the best pass-protector in the NFL at that position.  He doesn't blow people off the ball like Otah and some other huge RTs, but he's more than solid in the run game also.  Peter King even named Harris to the SI.com All-Pro Team (admittedly, because Mike Shanahan told him that Ryan was really good.)  He was an enormous upgrade over Pears, who is not an NFL starting player.

At Left Guard, the cautiously optimistic plan was to bring back Ben Hamilton, after he had missed a whole season with concussion symptoms.  That plan worked very well, as Ben got back to his old form and played well.  In my opinion, he had the weakest performance of the five Broncos linemen, but that doesn't make him weak.  He was the most expensive cap-wise, but he got paid appropriately for his performance.  The other 4 guys, who were all really cheap, just outshone him.

The Center, Casey Wiegmann, was almost flawless.  Replacing a Hall of Fame-caliber player (who almost certainly won't be enshrined) like Tom Nalen is a difficult thing to do, but Casey did it with aplomb.  The highlight of his season was the Jets game, in which he wore out a great player in Kris Jenkins; but he was good in every game.  He deserves a raise for this upcoming season after making his first Pro Bowl appearance.

The Right Guard, Chris Kuper, was fantastic also, in his second season as a starter and his first on the right side.  He's not too noteworthy in any way to look at, but he just gets his man blocked on every play.  He is one of the best guys in the League for absolutely maximizing his physical ability.

As for the subs, they almost never saw the field, which is a testament to the durability of this group.  I agree with Mike Lombardi when he says that the ability to stay healthy is a skill for an offensive lineman, and these guys have that skill.  Kory Lichtensteiger got a few snaps at RG toward the end of the year, when Kuper came off the field for a minor injury (but quickly returned).  Kory did contribute as a motion-TE in the short-yardage running game.  Tyler Polumbus played on special teams and acquitted himself very well.

After being terrible in 2007 (especially in pass-protection), this line was arguably the overall best in the NFL in 2008, and inarguably the best in pass protection.  We can only hope that this reloading season's trouble spot can be addressed so thoroughly, and lead to positive results so quickly.

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Great post for a great line

Jay helped a bunch too with his ability to move around in the pocket and get the ball out but the line deserves some kudos and new suits (oh wait they got them). Kuper played through broken fingers for part of the beginning of the year and then later on with that big club on his arm not many players can do that successfully.

by maritimebronco on Feb 25, 2009 8:19 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Future?

I agree, the line was the best in the business in 2008. I’m wondering what the future looks like, though. We’ll have two slots opening up in the next one to three years: Casey Weigmann, who flirted with retiring earlier this year, and Ben Hamilton. Are either of the current backups or practice squad players looking like future starters? Do we acquire depth in FA or the draft? The OL is the strength of our team, but that doesn’t mean we should neglect it in this reloading season. It is a low priority, true, but quality depth is always a need on the line.

by NTSBusMan on Feb 25, 2009 9:23 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Hamilton is only 31

he could be around for another 5-6 years let alone 1-3

by purplesocks on Feb 25, 2009 9:29 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we'd be lucky to get 1-2 more good years from him

Over 30 + slipping performance + concussions = plan for retirement. I like the guy and think he was tremendously underrated for many years. But none of the indicators on his future is pointing the right way.

by Chibronx on Feb 25, 2009 9:58 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

he also costs alot of money.

Is there such a thing as a Playstation 3 Anonymous? I can't seem to stop thinking about or playing COD 4 and COD 5. I hear this is quite normal for a teenager, but I haven't been a teenager since Bill Clinton was frolicking with interns.

by Tim Lynch on Feb 25, 2009 10:26 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this year or next year we need to get

a top rated center. (Rated by Denver of course). He who Licks Ten Tigers will be good, and can play guard or center, but I would rather see him settle in at guard. This road may require that he replace weigmann first, and then the center we pick up soon would move in behind him, and Licks would slide over to guard when Hamilton is ready to retire.

I guess what I am saying is that I think we could upgrade our center depth (Licks) but not our guard depth (Licks, eslinger). The reason I advocate it this year (which has been correctly noted as very early) is that there may be an opportunity to actually upgrade the center depth, rather than just increase the amount of center depth.

It is only an opportunity to consider, though. It isn’t significant enough to derail quality defensive upgrades that present themselves simultaneously.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 25, 2009 10:38 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree completly styg

For many rears we had success in selecting O Linemen in the late rounds or FA and nurturing them for a few years into zone blocking machines. This could be an opportunity to repeat this process. I also like the versatility of our group. Most of the starting five can play all five line positions, including center, and I think that is a real asset.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
the behind in your avatar is not a male behind - Zappa 02/18/09

by firstfan on Feb 25, 2009 2:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

NTs

We faced pretty much every dominant nose tackle in the game this past season, Jamal Williams twice, Vince Wilfork, Shaun Rogers, Kris Jenkins. The only one really missing is Casey Hampton. Combined, those gentlemen had nothing on our interior line, Wiegman, Kuper and Hamilton did a very good job against that gang of monsters and if you look at the game tape, by the 2nd half they had the line dominated to such an extend that Wiegman would often block the NT alone.

Jay obviously should get some props for how few times he bit the grass, the kid is unbelievable in the pocket and his awareness is very good. A real tribute to just how good the blocking was is that our run game kept ticking as running backs went on the IR. We still churned out 100 yards rushing after we had 5 runningbacks down and out. That falls squarely on the offensive line and just how well they kept playing.

by gyldenlove on Feb 25, 2009 3:47 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

"It is fair to say that i considered the deficiency to be no less profound than the deficiency we see on defense heading into this re-loading season."

That means that I can assume that next year we’ll have the best defense in the league!

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by papigrande on Feb 25, 2009 4:49 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

The big difference is

that two of those guys, Harris and Hamilton, were on IR last year, but were on the team. Other than maybe Powell, I don’t see the IR players who can come in this year and quickly make the D better.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Feb 25, 2009 6:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

By Guru, I mean Ted.

And SWG, don’t forget that Boss was on IR last year too. Could Powell and Boss be next year’s Hamilton and Harris??

OK, I've started having dreams about the draft. Is that bad? A couple of weeks ago, I dreamed that we traded down to the #18 pick and drafted Chris Wells. (Zappa was pissed off.) Then last night I dreamed that we passed on Knowshon Moreno to get Maualuga, and Knowshon went to the Chargers. (Zappa was pissed off again.) Is it worse that I'm dreaming about the draft, or that I'm dreaming about Zappa?

by papigrande on Feb 25, 2009 8:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Maintaining the OL

Back a while, I advocated drafting one of the ‘better’ Centers this year, partly because it’s such a good crop and partly because they appeared to be such a good fit for our Zone Blocking scheme. At that time, it appeared that we would be able to draft a high quality ZB interior OL without expending too high a pick, but it now seems that Centers are in greater demand than the standard wisdom would have us believe.

I still like the idea of ‘investing’ in the OL and I’d like to explain why since it appears to contradict the arguments I’ve made elsewhere.

A STITCH IN TIME

First, an example — imagine someone gave you a nice used car. The car runs great and costs little in upkeep but, as you know, there will come a time when you have to repair the car. Question — how much do you spend? Are your future repair expenditures based on how much you paid for the car? Or, do you value the car for what it would sell for on the open market? Or, is the value what it would cost to replace the car? Finally, would you wait until it broke and pay to fix it, or, would you pay maintenance costs to keep it in good shape to avoid paying greater costs to a mechanic when it broke?

It could be argued that our needs on defense are so dire that nearly every pick should be spent on fixing the defense. After all, why spend draft picks on your strengths when spending on your weaknesses will improve your team the most? Oddly, I’m arguing just the opposite in this case.

The reason using a draft pick on the OL makes sense is contained in the used car example. In essence, spending less now makes sense just as maintaining a nice car makes more sense than letting it break down and pay even more when it does. We’re protecting a valued investment, and we’re also avoiding paying even higher costs when it breaks down, which is primarily the cost of not having the OL function properly.

it’s not absolutely necessary that we draft an OL this year but by waiting we run the risk of a breakdown, and one that we’re unprepared for. It’s highly likely that we’ll need an Interior OL in the next two years, and drafting one now could pay dividends when that time comes.

An aside — I saw something recently about teams needing bigger Centers if they have to frequently go up against teams that run a 3-4 because of the bigger NT in the 3-4. I wondered what other people thought of this idea, as well as how it would work with ZB.

by Colinski on Feb 25, 2009 8:32 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Good comment, 'Ski
An aside — I saw something recently about teams needing bigger Centers if they have to frequently go up against teams that run a 3-4 because of the bigger NT in the 3-4. I wondered what other people thought of this idea, as well as how it would work with ZB.

I’m also interested, because they seem to be making bigger centers right now. In my experience, leverage is all. Look at Weigmann’s performance against Kris Jenkis for an example – I did last week. He had help at times – and other times he just steered him like a pushcart. It defined the position.

I’ve heard that speedy feet are an O lineman’s best friend in the ZB scheme, but the ability to use angles and leverage is what makes the line go around.

Hillis in '09

by Emmett Smith on Feb 26, 2009 2:45 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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