Jay Cutler involved in trade discussions?
by John Bena on Feb 28, 2009 1:58 PM MST
in Strictly My Opinion
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Say what you want about the MSM, Adam Schefter is as plugged in to the NFL, and specifically the Denver Broncos, than anyone, anywhere. When he says something I tend to at least perk up my ears. That's why his story about the Broncos possibly talking a Jay Cutler trade with the Detroit Lions and Tampa Bay Bucs is so intriguing.
While I have little doubt that that Lions approached the Broncos, and I have little doubt that the Broncos "entertained" the thought, as Schefter says, I do have some doubt that the Broncos would have ever made such a deal. Let's face it, Matt Cassel is a nice quarterback, but he is not Jay Cutler....PERIOD.
I know Cassel had some success in New England last year, and I know he is familiar with Josh McDaniels offense. It takes more than that to make me trade my franchise quarterback. Let's not forget that the Patriots drafted a QB last year(Kevin O'Connell to essentially replace Cassel, and there was some question if Cassel would even make the Patriots out of Training Camp. Cassel did guide the Patriots to an 11-5 record, but he struggled mightily against good defensive teams(Indianapolis, San Diego, Pittsburgh, Miami) and I think the folks in Kansas City are about to find out that Cassel may not even be as talented as the guy they are replacing Tyler Thigpen.
I have had my beefs with some of Cutler's antics, and I have questioned his play at times. There is NO DOUBT, however, that Jay Cutler has the talent to be one of the top 3 or 4 quarterbacks in the game. Cassel, by being named a starter, is one of the best 32, by default, but on a bad team, with bad talent, and questionable coaching, I seriously doubt he will take that next step.
I know Cutler's feathers were likely ruffled by hearing these "rumors", but the fact is, every player, on every team, is discussed at some point. It doesn't mean there were any type of negotiations, or that the Broncos didn't simply hang up on the Lions. Cutler should know the game, and fret not. He is going to be a Denver Bronco for a long time.
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D'oh!
"You can't make the club if you're in the tub." -- Rod Smith
by broncosmontana on Feb 28, 2009 2:01 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I"ll fret for him. ; )
"You can't make the club if you're in the tub." -- Rod Smith
by broncosmontana on Feb 28, 2009 2:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If that happens I would lose my faith in the JMc and on team …
by LucasBrazil on Feb 28, 2009 2:08 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
I’d be done with the Broncos. I’d go get a life.
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
by bradley on Feb 28, 2009 2:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would become a Texans fan.
Super Mario has quietly become very very good right? :)
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by The Heat on Feb 28, 2009 2:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
?
You’re kidding, right?
Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.
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by bcfunk on Feb 28, 2009 2:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
I meant to give “the wink” smiley face.
Although I do like Super Mario.
"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith
by The Heat on Feb 28, 2009 2:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re kidding, right?
Not I.
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
by bradley on Feb 28, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Seems like a move to try to get rid of any Shanahan influence on the team, that would be the worst move I could imagine
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Schefter may be out of line when he says
“Entertained.” I think McXanders might have politely listened, then said, “no thanks.”
by ThunderBringer on Feb 28, 2009 2:11 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Schefter...
…said “entertained and pondered..”
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
by bradley on Feb 28, 2009 2:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing … If the Denver Staf, in fact, considered the trade, that would be enough to make me really angry … I can not beleave
by LucasBrazil on Feb 28, 2009 2:12 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
There is a huge difference....
between answering the phone, and negotiating….
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by John Bena on Feb 28, 2009 2:14 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
+1 Totally agree
I see said the Blind man to the Deaf man who was near.
What is it you hear when I speak in your ear.
by UB3 on Feb 28, 2009 2:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any chance of the relationship between Cutler and JMcD have not started well?
by LucasBrazil on Feb 28, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
how can we even speculate at this point?
Do we really think McD is spending his time worrying about Jay and vice versa? Jay should be enjoying the off-season while McD should be popping another 5-hour energy drink before putting in another 24 hour day.
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by bcfunk on Feb 28, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But I don’t know why Detroit or Tampa would call Denver if they didn’t think it might happen, it’s not like they are saying they are trading for Brady or Manning
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 2:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It is a tactical thought...
If I were the front office of Detroit, I would ask the question also.
There is a saying in the Army: “you miss 100% of the shots you do not take”. If you have nothing, why not at leat ask about getting Cutler? The worst the Broncos could say is “no” (with any colorful language you would like to put with it.
just saying, I would ask if I was them.
by kybroncomaniac on Feb 28, 2009 3:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys...chill....
This stuff happens, and we should be stoked that Cutler is regarded so highly. No way would Xanders or Jedi trade him, but in the game, you have to at least listen. Its called business, and it is a way of forging relationships. BUsiness is all about this.
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by boydy2669 on Feb 28, 2009 2:16 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Well sombody needs to talk to jay !
lets remember he is still needs to mature . so mabey someone should go to him now . Or should
have went to him earlier and explained things to him To prevent him flying off the handle with anger.
by broncosfaninphilly on Feb 28, 2009 2:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+2 Its a business
I see said the Blind man to the Deaf man who was near.
What is it you hear when I speak in your ear.
by UB3 on Feb 28, 2009 2:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Business?
Sounds more like they want Jay out because of coaching conflict, ala when Elway was rumored to be traded to the Redskins because of Reeves.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 2:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Get a grip
Cutler is what made coming here so attractive in the first place. Elway didn’t like playing for Reeves because he tied his hands. Cutler is going to love playing for McDaniels. The only news here is the media trying to create some to report (they’re all whores that way), and some Denver fans habitually overreacting.
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by spock on Feb 28, 2009 6:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+ billion
nuff said
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by broncosmontana on Mar 1, 2009 6:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think ...
Schefter want a “you are the best nfl´s writer” … he made a small thing has the appearance of something really big … How does he knows that Cutler are sad!?! Does He has a direct line with the athlete?
by LucasBrazil on Feb 28, 2009 2:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
2 Things to Think About
Was McDaniels sending a message to Cutler to shape up?
Or was this all a plant by, I don’t know, maybe the Chiefs’ Pioli to cause turmoil in Denver Broncos land with his old workmate Josh
by candide on Feb 28, 2009 2:22 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Neither of the above
It’s a case of Cutler maybe getting his feelings hurt because he thought the Broncos were interested in trading him, and fans susceptible to conspiracy theories.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 28, 2009 6:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Did anybody else get the CBS4 text
Where Vic Lombardi says the Broncos are “actively trying to trade Jay Cutler?”
What in the world is Vic smoking?
by Shoemaker on Feb 28, 2009 2:25 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah dude I got that too!!!
I actually urinated in my pants… If this happens, I will go apesh**….
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not even worth two of the lions first rounds picks....
And the one next year!!! He’s a top five quarterback and no QB out of the past like 4 drafts have came no where near his talent…
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We know this. McDaniels and Xanders aren't stupid.
They have to know it too.
This strikes me as pure speculation on Vic’s part.
by Shoemaker on Feb 28, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate this rumor shiii...stuff....
It’s just to stir everyone up. In reality, it only makes me hate the people who start it more.
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The double edge sword of the 24 hour news cycle...
seriously, this a HUGE non-story… Even our beloved Elway was dangled in a trade many moons ago…so let’s not lose too much sleep over this…
Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.
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by bcfunk on Feb 28, 2009 2:26 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I hope to god.. If this happens I will never trust this regime again... Plain and simple...
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Elway was dangled, and it was because of Reeves and him not getting along
And from the sounds of that, that trade was very close to happening except Bowlen stepped in.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 2:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
For everyone out there who’s panicking, ask yourself this, why would the Broncos sign Dawkins only to trade your franchise QB and concede to a total rebuilding project (since there’s no QB in this draft worth a piss, nor can we get anywhere near equal value in return). Not only that, you’d pretty screw any chance of resigning BMarsh IMO.
Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.
John C. Calhoun --
by bcfunk on Feb 28, 2009 2:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the perspective BC.
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by kwool79 on Feb 28, 2009 6:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way.
If McDaniels was going to trade Cutler, wouldn’t he have tried to Cassel?
There’s nobody on the market worth it.
by Shoemaker on Feb 28, 2009 2:26 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Vic Lombardi is a moron
They are not shopping him. Shefter reported people were calling denver to try and trade for him . Denver is not calling other teams trying to unload him. There is a BIG difference. Vic Lombardi just lost all credibility
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2009 2:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
+2
I lost all respect for him…
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I just sent Vic Lombardi a nasty
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2009 2:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you post a copy of it??
hahaha
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
no sorry it was already sent through cbs4
website
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2009 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He will probably interperate it wrong LOL
by broncosfaninphilly on Feb 28, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That’ll help him. Type in all caps and use lots of exclamation points. Maybe spell a few things wrong here and there. I’m sure he’s terrified of the internet.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 2:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That’s even better! Tell the other guy to shut up. You’re a real winner.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 3:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get a butt hurt
because I called your statement that Matt Stafford is not a Franchise QB Ignorant. I am entitled to my opinion and I think it was not a good comment especially because you did not back it up with any facts It was not an attack on you personally. If you are going to say something then you should be able to back it up. Your a real winner by being all sarcastic and trying to get someone to argue with you.
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
I told you my thoughts on that, and then told you that you were welcome to be more polite about it in the future. I don’t really have a problem with you calling me ignorant. It honestly made me laugh because, uh, I don’t see myself in the same light. At all.
Also, this is the internet dude. Stop taking shit so seriously. I really don’t want to argue with you unless we’re talking football. That’s why I’m here. I’m not here to flex e-muscles, write hateful e-mails to news reporters, or do much of anything else.
Life’s too short to get too worked up over the small things. You sir, are a small thing.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA
I am not taking anything seriously and I am not worked up but we can agree to disagree
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2009 3:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that's your party line
“Agree to disagree”.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 3:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we should even listen to talks honestly...
It may sound ignorant, but we must show Cutler that we have full confidence in him as he matures and develops. Just make him untouchable like Peyton and Brady were in their prime.
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:34 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
You wouldnt believe how big overblown the NFL network ..... adam schefter
is trying to push this story thats all there talking about right now.
by broncosfaninphilly on Feb 28, 2009 2:34 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
perhaps he (JMcD) could go to the public and say that this story does not proceed
by LucasBrazil on Feb 28, 2009 2:35 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously,
If the Broncos trade Cutler for Matt Cassel I would cry myself to sleep for a week.
I’d be like an Eagles fan times ten.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 2:37 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I would lose every ounce of confidence in this team...
I will change my name to JMD hater… and send him daily death threats
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Say what you want about the MSM, Adam Schefter is as plugged in to the NFL, and specifically the Denver Broncos, than anyone, anywhere.
I wonder if he still has as strong connections to the Broncos now that there is a new regime in town?
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 2:39 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I can't get the dang block quotes to work right.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Highlight the part
and only the part, that you want to quote, then click on the quote sign above the box. Then click on “preview” below the box to see what the result looks like. If it looks okay then click on “post” beneath the preview to actually post it. (I never post without previewing. It gives me a chance to catch typos as well as other errors.) If you’re doing it by hand type “blockquote” (enclosing that word with < and > rather than " and “) at the start of the quoted passage, then "/blockquote” (ditto) at the end. Don’t leave out the slash. If you do the second “blockquote” will be interpreted as the beginning of a quote, hence your response will be boxed inside the gray quote block as a quote within a quote, exactly as you got. Even if you aren’t doing it by hand you can examine the result in the input box to see why the preview looks like it does if it doesn’t look right.
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by spock on Feb 28, 2009 7:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
cool thanks.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 9:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Vic's story....
contained a quote, which would imply that Jay actually said that. No matter how you chop it Jay seems to believe that he has been considered for trade which is not good. If it is true I am extremely pissed!
by ThunderBringer on Feb 28, 2009 2:39 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it.
Earlier today you wouldn’t believe anything until Schefter says it, then Schefter reports this, this Vic Lombardi dude says the same thing, and Vic is a moron. Make sense, plz.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I believe Schefter over most people.
However Schefter and Vic are report 2 different things. Vic is saying Denver is shopping Cutler. Schefter is saying people are calling Denver about Cutler. They are complete opposites so my comment makes sense genius
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2009 2:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You are obviously correct
People need to read more closely. There’s a difference between shopping Cutler and answering the phone. And if you want to preserve future working relationships you politely “consider” the trade before declining. What McDaniels has probably learned from this is to let Jay know right away that an inquiry has been received but that he’s not interested, then when Jay gives a press conference it’ll squelch rumors instead of feeding them. Jay will be flattered that other teams want him, and won’t feel that his own doesn’t.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 28, 2009 8:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
this is stupid crap
just forget about it and read another post.
taste my blintzkrieg!
2009-year of the defense.
by davecheffy on Feb 28, 2009 2:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But you can’t just embellish quotes, it’s higly unethical and illegal.
by ThunderBringer on Feb 28, 2009 2:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
There is no way Pat Bowlen
allows Jay Cutler to be Traded
by gnarlybroncodude on Feb 28, 2009 2:43 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I once said..
There is no way Pat Bowlen would fire Shanny…
by ThunderBringer on Feb 28, 2009 2:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Then does Bowlen fire McD?
Face it, when Reeves got close to shipping Elway to the Redskins it cost Reeves his job.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 2:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
besides
Elway had been to three SBs. Cutler isn’t quite Elway yet. He will be some day, I hope.
"You can't make the club if you're in the tub." -- Rod Smith
by broncosmontana on Mar 1, 2009 6:22 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Gnarlybronco can you post his email so we can all send some hatemail?
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:43 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
If we trade Jay...
I’m going to go crazy. This is disgusting.
by Papamag on Feb 28, 2009 2:43 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I will punch another human in the face...
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No i will punch two humans in the face...
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Make them
McDaniels and Xanders!
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
by bradley on Feb 28, 2009 2:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll hold them on the ground for a beating
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 2:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be in front of the mob..
that rides them back to the east coast on a rail, tarred and feathered.
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
by bradley on Feb 28, 2009 3:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We aren't
"You can't make the club if you're in the tub." -- Rod Smith
by broncosmontana on Mar 1, 2009 6:23 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
They need to clear the air
Cutler’s talents are uncomparable to the people avialable. They need to make a public statement and clear the air. They owe it to Jay and Jay’s loyal fans. If Jay got traded I go with him. I was born and raised a bronco fan.
by mjdbronco on Feb 28, 2009 2:46 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thats a little extreme
Just dont support the Broncos until this new regime is gone
by ThunderBringer on Feb 28, 2009 2:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this story, if it has merit, and I tend to believe Schefter
Is going to damage Cutler nd regardless of if he gets traded, he won’t stay in Denver if he thinks McD wants him out.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 2:47 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
My loyalty lies with the Broncos not Cutler but that would be a tough pill to swallow. I'd probably go dormant until McXanders were gone.
by ThunderBringer on Feb 28, 2009 2:47 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
+772.999999
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you guys think that McXanders showed their collective inexperience a bit in even allowing this to become a story?
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 2:50 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
My head hurts now.
I was happy about football today until I heard this. I want to cry.
by Papamag on Feb 28, 2009 2:51 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I really wanted to throw up...
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I don't like
Everyone is saying Xanders and McD listened and have no intent to trade him, but why would you call Denver if you didn’t think you had a chance to get him, it’s not like they are calling say Philly for McNabb which would be a much more likely scenerio, so that tells me that there is something to this.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 2:51 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
No one calls for Brady or Manning...
Or at least it doesn’t become a story…
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that..
It’s the New England connection
by ThunderBringer on Feb 28, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
they thought the mcdaniels/cassel relationship would give them a shot
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by TD4HOF on Feb 28, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We cannot treat our best players like this. If Cutler is angry they need to make him happy. I’m sure everything is fine, but it’s taking the excitment out of the Dawkins deal.
by mjdbronco on Feb 28, 2009 2:51 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I think this is getting
blown out of proportion. I believe the Broncos listened to the offer and turned it down. All teams will listen to all offers as it would be irresponsible not to. McDaniels just needs to call Cutler and stroke his manhood a little and tell him they had no intention of trading him…all will be well.
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
by TD4HOF on Feb 28, 2009 2:52 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope your right...
But like I said, if they wont Jay to have confidence, especially during a regime change, they just need to flat out tell everyone he’s untouchable…
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you say that about Elway or Terrell Davis, or Shannon Sharpe
You don’t trade your franchise guys or even listen to it unless there are some serious problems behind the scenes
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 2:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember...
They weren’t shopping Cutler around our putting him on the trading block…Two teams thought they could exploit the McDaniels/Cassel history to get a franchise QB. It didn’t work. “A” for effort, but go get your own QB.
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
by TD4HOF on Feb 28, 2009 2:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to look on the positive side here...
This may well all blow over and be forgotten quickly. Jay had a strong initial reaction to the firing of Shanny, too, then came around. Seems like it shouldn’t be hard for McD to smooth this over, and frankly if it takes Jay down a peg, I’m not sure that’s a bad thing for his long term development….
"You're slow. You're not a running back, and you're not a running back for a reason." ---a former mastermind head coach....
by Broncs Cheer on Feb 28, 2009 2:54 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
For as much of a non-story
as everyone here seems to say it is, you guys sure are freaking the hell out. Calm down, stop threatening your Broncos allegiance, take a deep breath, and relax.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 2:54 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Public press confrence right now to clear the air
by broncosfaninphilly on Feb 28, 2009 2:54 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
link, link, link
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No link that is what they should do ! sorry
by broncosfaninphilly on Feb 28, 2009 2:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh geez you got me excited...
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 2:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
are you suggesting this or reporting that it's happening?
"You're slow. You're not a running back, and you're not a running back for a reason." ---a former mastermind head coach....
by Broncs Cheer on Feb 28, 2009 2:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Benefit of a doubt just has been erased for McD and Xanders
Sorry, you don’t treat the franchise like that, if Cutler has reacted then seems like this rumor has a bunch of merit.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 2:56 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I really think that this is a non-story blown way out of proportion.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 2:57 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Essentially what is being reported is that a phone call was made to the Broncos.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 2:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler's remark...
..in the Lombardi article says it’s more than that.
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by bradley on Feb 28, 2009 3:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think as soon as someone heard that someone called the Broncos...
someone called Cutler and said “what do you think about this?”
Schefter just said this is a very “convoluted story” and he talked to Denver and they said “Hey…teams called us.”
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If there's no meat to this story...
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
by bradley on Feb 28, 2009 3:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If there's no meat to this story...
….Schefter should shut the fuck up.
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
by bradley on Feb 28, 2009 3:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
There's not and he should.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
(I think) ;-)
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you.
This story is getting blown super out of proportion, and all of us sitting around losing our shit over it isn’t helping. Neither is sending hatemail to Vic Lombardi.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 3:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
….let’s make it c;lear to them furriners from back east that some things are untouchable, and that includes the entire starting offense of the Denver Broncos!
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
by bradley on Feb 28, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
amen!
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would think
that probably happened.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
he only said it once -- they just reply the tape every 10 minutes
by Colinski on Feb 28, 2009 3:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well then they should stop playing it ever ten minutes. ;-)
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
I love Cutler, and obviously trade rumors are getting to piss him off…but how can you be mad at your team for answering the phone? I’m sure that’s all it was. No team is going to call another team a bunch of idiots and hang up on them…or no one will want to trade with them in the future.
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by TD4HOF on Feb 28, 2009 3:00 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what happens when reporters have too much time for coverage and not enough news.
by Papamag on Feb 28, 2009 2:58 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I don't see that
Still a bunch of free agents, lots of other news, for Schefter to report this I think it is relevent.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 2:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with this, except...
Every account of this I can see says they fielded calls about trades. Then I look at the headline and it says Jay Cutler being Shopped. Fielding calls and shopping players are two very different things.
by Papamag on Feb 28, 2009 3:01 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I agree with Broncoman but I get what Papamag and others are saying. Schefter could be reporting this because thist would be like the biggiest news this offseason, even bigger that Albert getting paid. He may just want to have his fingerprints on it, true or not.
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Go to the NFL network All there talking about
by broncosfaninphilly on Feb 28, 2009 3:02 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
And they're saying that all that really happened is DET and TB called the Broncos and they answered it.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Why answer the phone
Sounds like more than answering the phone to me
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 3:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Teams will never ignore other teams...
What are gonna say? Sorry I missed your call Mr Schwartz I was in the can?…This is a business, you don’t want a reputation of being a jerk or teams wont trade with you later.
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
by TD4HOF on Feb 28, 2009 3:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
TD4HOF is very right....
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I turned it on
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 3:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
They are looping the same footage over and over
I sat here and watched that an hour ago
by ThunderBringer on Feb 28, 2009 3:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
and over and over and over and over and over and over and over......................................................
by Colinski on Feb 28, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
all those guys are probably sleeping right now.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This basically just ruined Cutler being here long term
I don’t see who McD repairs any relationship with Cutler, I would play out my contract and give the middle finger to McD, I am guessing that Shanahan is laughing now, cause next year he will have the job in Dallas and probably be able to get Cutler to be the QB.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 3:09 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Really?
You don’t think that’s a little over-dramatic? After 2012 and a bunch of winning you think Cutler will think back and say “you entertained the thought of trading me 3 years ago so screw you I’m leaving”?
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
by TD4HOF on Feb 28, 2009 3:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No he might be inmature enough to ask for a trade now !
by broncosfaninphilly on Feb 28, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
IF that happens,
then he is out of his mind and is clearly not emotionally stable enough to lead a franchise…he’d be the QB equivalent of TO and we’d be better off with him gone…but I’m sure he’ll be fine.
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by TD4HOF on Feb 28, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If this ruined Jay being here long term...
so be it.
"Talking tough is easy when it's other people's evil and you're judging what they do or don't believe. It seems to me you'd have to have a hole you're own to point a finger at somebody else's sheet" -- Mike Cooley
by ButteBronco on Feb 28, 2009 4:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Cuttler Traded and we resign Plumber!
Just kidding
Romanowski for President! He played with a mean streak.
by scottwchicago on Feb 28, 2009 3:09 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
McD will talk to Jay
If it’s true that he considered the idea, he’ll have to convince Jay that Cutler is wanted in Denver. Frankly, Cassel for Cutler? That’s hard to believe, but I can see why, having coached him, McD would consider the thought.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Feb 28, 2009 3:10 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
How could we even consider Cassel for Cutler straight up?
That makes no sense to me. I would have laughed out loud had someone mentioned that trade to me.
by Papamag on Feb 28, 2009 3:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I'm guessing that the Bucs/Lions would have gave us their first rounder and maybe their second and more to NE
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't sound like Cutler for Cassel
Sounded more like Cutler for Cassel + Picks. Don’t you at least listen, just in case the other team completely fleeces itself for you? And don’t you listen respectfully, just to build solid bridges for future trades?
I would be worried if the Broncos were initiating the conversations…but everything we’ve heard from NFL Network says that Detroit and Tampa Bay were the initiators…not big deal in listening. Jay will get over it.
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Feb 28, 2009 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That little text ruined my day! Thanks Vic.
This is my GAP, there are many like it but this one is mine. Without my GAP I am useless, without me, they will run through my GAP. I will protect my GAP and have my brothers back on his. I will not be moved from my GAP, I am a crazed dog that patrols this area and will defeat all who enter it. I own this GAP, it is mine. I bought it with blood and sweat. I will not be pushed. I will not be moved. This Sunday I will make a stand and a statement. --GO BRONCOS
by WhatWhat on Feb 28, 2009 3:12 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
In other news... Anthony Henry was what, or who, traded to the Lions for Kitna
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:12 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
From Rotoworld
Cowboys traded DB Anthony Henry to the Lions for QB Jon Kitna.
The Lions did well to get help for their secondary since Kitna was going to be released shortly. Henry is stretched at cornerback, so it wouldn’t be a surprise to see the Lions try him at safety.
Source: Associated Press
Related: Cowboys
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Between this and calling for Cutler and talks that they were trading for Dockery before it fell apart...
I actually believe the lions may be competitive sooner than later
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Others may disagree with me,
but I’d say, if Cutler can’t get over this, then we don’t want him as our QB… He needs to man up and move on….
"You're slow. You're not a running back, and you're not a running back for a reason." ---a former mastermind head coach....
by Broncs Cheer on Feb 28, 2009 3:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
"Talking tough is easy when it's other people's evil and you're judging what they do or don't believe. It seems to me you'd have to have a hole you're own to point a finger at somebody else's sheet" -- Mike Cooley
by ButteBronco on Feb 28, 2009 4:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that we're all responding to this in the wrong way.
Wrong response: freak out and get angry.
Right response: Roll on the ground laughing that anybody thought we would trade Cutler for Matt Cassel.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Then come back to reality and realize
that negotiations may have included more than just a straight up trade.
by ThunderBringer on Feb 28, 2009 3:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not angry about the fact that they took the call.
I’m angry that it became such a huge story.
by Papamag on Feb 28, 2009 3:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...like I said above,
that may show the inexperience of McXanders in dealing with stuff like this.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Both those guys are learning on the job...
and I’d be very surprised if this is the last ‘whoops’ move they make. Part of the learning process is figuring out how to deal with the media.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Cutler as much as anyone and don't want him traded.
But the Broncos would have been idiots to hang up the phone on any team. We have no idea what was offered. If the Lions offered up Cassell and the #1 pick, that is something that they would at least have to think about. The finances might make it unworkable, but if Cassell is a top 10 QB with McDaniels coaching him and the #1 pick could be Aaron Curry is that really a bad deal for the Broncos?
by MattR on Feb 28, 2009 3:15 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Someone else might have already said it but never burn bridges, especially when your new at this and the draft is approaching..
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
It’s not a bad deal. It’s actually a pretty good deal and I would probably take it.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I always like the proven over the potential...
Jay Cutler has proven that he is a pro bowler and, imo, a top 5 quarterback. Even though he’s around the same age of Cassell, he’s proven more. And even though many people are calling Curry the safest pick in the draft, he still hasn’t played a snap in the NFL.
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say
Matt Cassell has proven himself every bit as much as Cutler. Just because it was in NE’s offense, everyone wants to take away what he accomplished. That’d be a helluva lot more valid with me if the guy behind the offense he ran wasn’t our new HC.
Cutler still has a lot of development left.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing to consider
For McDaniels, Cassell is the proven and Cutler is the unproven
by MattR on Feb 28, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
BLASPHEMY!!! ;-)
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I’m interested in fielding the best football team. At this point in their careers, and especially in the new offense, Cassell has outdone Cutler.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 3:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You'r delusional
Cassell has a rag for an arm.
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by bradley on Feb 28, 2009 3:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That's all good and well
but as a QB, in the offense we’re probably installing, Cassel got it done. We have, if not a better, an equal WR corps and a superior offensive line. I know everyone around here is bustling about Cutler and all of his potential, and I’m not denying that there’s a great deal left in him, but how many crippling picks did Jay throw last year? How many drives ended in the redzone because Cutler impaled a defender? Overall, the guy threw 19 picks last year.
Let’s keep in mind my context of emphasizing “especially in this offense”.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 3:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
"impaled a defender"
that’s hilarious!
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Elway set the NFL record for interceptions
and Jay can be coached out of that.
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by broncosmontana on Mar 1, 2009 6:29 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd hardly say
Cassel has outdone Cutler…sure he had a winning record, but he also had a defense.
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by TD4HOF on Feb 28, 2009 3:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He also had some pretty good stats
He had, if I remember correctly, 4 TDs and 7 picks his first few games while he was basically finding his footing, then went 17 and 4 the rest of the way. That’s pretty damned impressive and way better than Cutler’s ratio. But there were mitigating circumstances (for Jay) and I agree with broncosmontana that “Jay can be coached out of that.”
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by spock on Mar 1, 2009 11:40 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with the others.
Why do you think Cassell has done better than Cutler? He’s only started 15 games since high school.
by Papamag on Feb 28, 2009 3:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I respectfully disagree sir!
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Jay Cutler
played through a lot of adversity and some very questionable play calling. He had no running backs. He shouldered this offense. Yes, he threw pics. Look at the percentage, and you’ll see it’s respectable. Elway threw pics, too. Cassell was given the keys to a well-oiled machine. With a line to protect him, he did fine. Cutler didn’t have much of a line last year, and did OK with no defense. THis year, he had a line, but even my 3 year old neice knew Denver would pass almost every down in 2008, especially after the running backs fell like al dente dominos. If you let the record of W-L speak, Cassell may be seen as better than Cutler. When you actually dig into the details, I think Cutler schools Cassell hands down. He is a fighter, and he wants the ball when the game is on the line. (OK that last part was a quote from a movie, but I like it.)
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by HarvJNep2n on Feb 28, 2009 5:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but why did it have to get out into the public news
by broncosfaninphilly on Feb 28, 2009 3:16 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Because we all want to know whats going on.
Supply and demand
by ThunderBringer on Feb 28, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
We dont hear about every trade deal that is turned down. Why did we hear about this one?
by Papamag on Feb 28, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because someone in Detroit and/or TB
wants their fans to think that they are trying to do things that will improve the team. Just making the attempt has to make the fans of those two teams feel better, especially if they wanted Cassell for their team.
by MattR on Feb 28, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Because,
it’s very newsworthy if true
by ThunderBringer on Feb 28, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No...
It’s because Schefter always wants to break the big story and he has big time connections in Denver. Lately, he’s been making every piss they make public…
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It can't be a big story
if it’s not newsworthy
by ThunderBringer on Feb 28, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously this is newsworthy if its true or false...
We all think the sky is falling
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure it can...stories get blown out of proportion all of the time.
Remember when Shanahan was the new HC of the Chiefs?
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
by bradley on Feb 28, 2009 3:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You are very correct about this.
It surely caused us to have a multi-hundred post thread about it.
by Papamag on Feb 28, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Leaks happen.
And a mega deal like this is juicy piece of news for people to freak out about. I’m sure this happened earlier with all the Peppers nonsense being involved in a three-team deal.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This is an emotional game, for the Players & the Fans, relax take a deep breath.
Now remember, its a business too.
This emotional fire cuts both ways,
just my humble opinion!!
I see said the Blind man to the Deaf man who was near.
What is it you hear when I speak in your ear.
by UB3 on Feb 28, 2009 3:18 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I bet the Guru
is sitting back and laughing at the mayhem this post has caused. Dance for me puppets :)
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
by TD4HOF on Feb 28, 2009 3:27 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
+2
I see said the Blind man to the Deaf man who was near.
What is it you hear when I speak in your ear.
by UB3 on Feb 28, 2009 3:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What if Guru is Schefter!!??!?!
And he started this rumor to give this site a bunch of hits….!!
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What if Guru is Jesus acting like Schefter!?!?!?
Because there isn’t much to do in heaven on a saturday and he lost a bet to like Gene Upshaw in heaven and in turn, has to make us all riot about something entirely not true!?!
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait......
Raiders don’t go to heaven….. My bad guys…
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
from cbs 4
CBS4’s Gary Miller spoke with Broncos GM Brian Xanders Saturday afternoon. Xanders denied any plans to trade Cutler, saying “We are not trying to trade Jay Cutler. We will not trade Jay Cutler. He’s a Pro Bowl Quarterback.” He went on to say, “you can ask Josh McDaniels, and he’ll tell you the same thing.”
by Shiiver on Feb 28, 2009 3:33 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Boo yah!!
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck.
Can we FINALLY calm down now?
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 3:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You said the "f word"...!
Adam Schefter needs to report this so we can make a new post and freak out!!
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
+59,314,221
Jay’s not going anywhere, guys. Never was.
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
by papigrande on Feb 28, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Xanders...
…better not be lying.
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
by bradley on Feb 28, 2009 3:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
But why would we even consider trading Jay?
by broncoholic on Feb 28, 2009 3:35 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
We didn't...
TB and Det took a shot and we said no. All they did was listen to the offer. If a team said we will give our first and second round picks for the next 4 years you wouldn’t “entertain” the offer?
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
by TD4HOF on Feb 28, 2009 3:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Changing the subject Do you think the broncos are done in free agency now ?
by broncosfaninphilly on Feb 28, 2009 3:37 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
nope...need DL.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope not...
I like when other people spend their money on things that make me excited…
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No chance.
We will sign a back up QB and another CB for sure before we are done. I’m also still holding out hope for Ray Lewis.
by Papamag on Feb 28, 2009 3:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No
we still need a “backup” quarterback
by ThunderBringer on Feb 28, 2009 3:38 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Who does everyone want as our backup??
Either:
a-A veteran on the decline
b-A young guy with potential (J.P. Losman)
c-A rookie
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
a.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
c and a
Get a guy like Kitna, and draft a rookie in a late round
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
by papigrande on Feb 28, 2009 3:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
I just want “a guy like Kitna.” Couldn’t think of anyone off the top of my head
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
by papigrande on Feb 28, 2009 4:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd go for the vet...
but not Brad Johnson old and not someone who was never any good. I don’t see the benefit of taking a young guy who will never see the field…unless we can pull a “New England” out of it…but that would involve Cutler getting badly injured.
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by TD4HOF on Feb 28, 2009 3:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
obviously Garcia would be great...
He may be looking for a starting gig though.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hackney for Backup QB
Can I get a “Yes We Can!” ? That ship might have sailed already, though…
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 3:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Favre! JK
I choose c.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Feb 28, 2009 5:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with a rookie
is that he’s not going to be a viable backup this year and there’s no guarantee that he’ll ever be. That’s not a plan. It’s a hope and a prayer.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 28, 2009 8:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense.
Spock, I don’t get the feeling you like me very much. I know it seems like I tend to pop off without thinking. Usually, I’m trying to learn by taking a position, whether I agree with it or not, and I just shoot an opinion out to see what type of reaction there is. I thought about A. I guess I have Brad Johnson kinds of feelings on the veteran guys, like they are all washed up. But I know each individual is unique. Your point is well-taken that a rookie is a crap shoot. Thanks for the discourse and reasoning.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Feb 28, 2009 9:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
They called me, I didn't call them
and I said “no”, firmly, when they asked about trading you. Seriously, man, I don’t know you well enough to dislike you. There might be one or two people I feel that way towards, but you’re not one of them. I was reacting to the idea, not the person, and not with as much heat as you might have read into my (sometimes satirical) words. You’re right not to want a Brad Johnson kind of guy. We want someone who’s willing to be a backup but who can get the job done if need be, someone like Charlie Batch, for instance.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 28, 2009 11:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Too funny. Thanks.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Mar 1, 2009 9:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
How much money do we have ? and who is next ?
by broncosfaninphilly on Feb 28, 2009 3:39 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
what about that DL dude in SF (can't remeber his name right now)?
Is he still out there.
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
well...good freak out everybody.
Going back to the free agency thread now. ;-)
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:41 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I am SO out of this thread now.
And don’t be draggin’ me back here with a reply, either! There will be consequences!
"You can't make the club if you're in the tub." -- Rod Smith
by broncosmontana on Mar 1, 2009 6:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
who?
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by PosterNutbag on Feb 28, 2009 3:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
On the Cutler 'trade talks'
CBS4’s Gary Miller spoke with Broncos GM Brian Xanders Saturday afternoon. Xanders denied any plans to trade Cutler, saying “We are not trying to trade Jay Cutler. We will not trade Jay Cutler. He’s a Pro Bowl Quarterback.” He went on to say, “you can ask Josh McDaniels, and he’ll tell you the same thing.” Miller did approach McDaniels, who said he was not going to answer any questions.
We will not trade Jay Cutler seems pretty specific to me.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Feb 28, 2009 3:44 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
HIS FINGERS WERE CROSSED!!!
THE BRONCOS STILL WANT TO TRADE JAY!! AAAAAHHH!!!!
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
by papigrande on Feb 28, 2009 3:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys sign Keith Brooking!!!
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:44 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
quickly, everyone follow me to the saturday offseason thread!!!
To the batmobile!!
Yes, I'm a Diamondback and Suns fan. So you may be wondering, "Why does this fool like the Broncos so much?"
A: The Cardinals are too hard of a pill to swallow. Oh yeah and that Elway dude....
by Elway4Prez on Feb 28, 2009 3:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Danuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnaanuhnuhnuhnuhnaanaaaaaahhhh!!!!
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
by papigrande on Feb 28, 2009 3:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Get Over It Jay...
BIG difference between seeking to trade a player and listening to an offer. Players consent to being tradeable commodities and Jay is no exception. These discussions happen all of the time. A pro doesn’t make a public gripe about it. I’d be worried if X-man DIDN’T listen to all viable offers. As someone noted above, this is a tempest in a tea cup.
by PigskinProphet on Feb 28, 2009 3:59 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Really
I am sure Peyton Manning is brought up in trade discussions every day:
Detroit: Hello, Indy, would you consider trading Peyton Manning to us?
Indy: Sure, what do you have?
Somehow I don’t think every player is consisred a tradable commodity, you don’t trade the franchise or entertain the idea.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
by Broncoman on Feb 28, 2009 4:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That pisses me off
All it does is make Jay feel like they want to trade him.
by stedtfeld on Feb 28, 2009 4:18 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Please
tell me you’ve read some of the thread.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 28, 2009 4:19 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
This is one funny thread!
Assuming they’re really not trying to trade Jay..
by PigskinProphet on Feb 28, 2009 5:02 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Hyurrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!
Okay, I think the nausea has passed…. Hyurrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!
I am too weak to type. Barely made it to the computer… Come closer….
My father just called me to tell me that Clayton said Jay is demanding a trade because he’s all po’d. By all accounts that request has been denied… Hyurrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!
What the hell man? You know who’s really pissed? Brian Dawkins.
McX: “Hey Brian, here’s the facility. Here’s the work out room. Here’s the Elway shrine…”
Dawkins: “What’s that?”
McX: “Don’t mind that, it’s no big deal.”
Dawkins: “It looks like a steaming s-pile firestorm of freaking controversy!”
McX: “Yeah, we got that earlier this morning.”
Unreal….
Hyurrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!
J
by Jezru on Feb 28, 2009 5:25 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
This is why I don't like Cutler
He is a crybaby! So they looked a ta trade. Get over it as every team looks at deals and unless you are John Elway, and he ain’t no Elway. Look at B. Dawkins he was everything to Philly and now he is gone. Get over it Jay~!
by postalmoose on Feb 28, 2009 8:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
You guys...
are a bunch of homers. Matt Cassel just became the best QB in the AFC West. We have by far the best coaching in the division. Sorry, I don’t think McDaniels is going to be the next Chuck Knoll when the guy is only in his only in his early 30s. You guys are so fucked. Your D has no one execept a great aging cornerback and a washed up saftey. The Chiefs have become the premier team in this divison over night. Enjoy sucking for the next few years.
by chiefsfan1384 on Mar 1, 2009 12:39 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, we have a funny little troll.
He thinks Matt Cassel will be the best QB… Well, he’s better than Jamarcus, I’ll give him that. But who’s going to block for him? Not Brian Waters, apparently. Why not Waters? Something about arrogance in the front office? Corruption? Maybe the fact that he now has to block for a one-year-wonder who has started 15 games since high school?
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
by papigrande on Mar 1, 2009 12:51 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man...
Thanks for the laugh…I really needed that.
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by PosterNutbag on Mar 1, 2009 2:54 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Did Cutler...
ever win 10 games. The fact of the matter is we have a legit 1 and a 2. We can line up Thigpen and Cassel both in the backfield and the D will have to guess who its going to. We are going to confuse the fuck out of you guys. Why would you sign a 35 year old safety to a 5 year contract? Dumb move if you ask me. I can’t wait to taste victory in “mile high” next season. Good luck switching to a 3-4 too. We are going to snatch BJ Raji before you can get him. Yeah you might land Maulaluga, but we are going to blow that hawian up on Sundays just watch. We have a franchise left tackle, Bowe, the best TE of all time (sorry Shannon Sharpe) and we are probably going to sign TJ Hous. You guys are so fucked you don’t even know whats coming.
by chiefsfan1384 on Mar 1, 2009 1:13 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
(shakes head)
We don’t bash the Broncos on their own site. The Dolts and the Faders, sure, but jeez. You’d get all pissed off if a Bronco came to AP and replied to your flame.
Stay classy, MHR.
You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?
by Mully on Mar 1, 2009 2:46 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Mully
You’re a class act yourself.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Mar 1, 2009 11:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
