Books
Several weeks ago we enjoyed a Post about Movies. I thought maybe a Post about good Books would be welcomed also. So, here are some of my favorite authors and their books from the action/adventure/cops and robbers genre.
Nelson DeMille. Best book is Plum Island (John Corey is a Manahttan homicide detective recuperating on Long Island when he gets caught up in a murder investigation - maybe DeMille’s most enjoyable book). Sequels with Corey are Lion’s Game, Nightfall, and Wildfire, (the latter being disappointing). DeMille’s best book may be Charm School, which takes place in Russia. He wrote The General’s Daughter, which was made into a movie with John Travolta (playing Paul Brenner, an Army CID investigator) and Madeline Stowe. The book is much better.
Chuck Logan. His second book is his best, IMO - The Price of Blood. He has about 8 books, the 2nd through the rest have many of the same characters. Big Law is 3 rd, Absolute Zero is 4 th (this may be better than Price of Blood). Hunter’s Moon, his 1st, is very good, as are they all.
Peter Bowens’s Gabriel DuPre series, starting with Coyote Wind, is very good - a small town in Montana. DuPre is a fiddler and brand inspector and extremely competent guy who gets caught up in murders in a small town. Great cast of characters.
Tony Hillerman. The Lieutenant Joe Leaphorn and Officer Jim Chee series. Two Navajo Tribal policemen in the four corners area work somewhat together to solve murders and such. Very good writer.
Craig Johnson. Johnson has four books about Sheriff Walt Longmire of Absaroka County, Wyoming. Johnson is a good writer. Here’s a fun quote from The Cold Dish: "She relaxed and leaned her back against the wall. With the apron on and her hair up, she looked like an Amish centerfold."
C.J. Box. Box has written a few books about a game warden in Wyoming. Better than average stuff, and my friend Evan knows him personally.
Michael Gruber. Tropic of Night; Valley of Bones; and Night of the Jaguar - all take place in Miami, where police detective Jimmy Paz has to deal with strange, sorcerous goings on. Very entertaining and educational, as well as thrilling.
Patrick O’Brien. He wrote the Jack Aubrey series, about the British navy during the Napoleonic Wars. About 20 books in the series. You’ve probably seen the movie Master and Commander with Russell Crowe. This is the title of the first book, but the movie is totally different from the book of the same name, which takes place in the Mediterranean. Great movie, though - it’s based on a couple of O’Briens’ Aubrey books.
James Clavell. Even if you’ve read Shogun, it’s worth a re-read (I’ve read it several times). Tai Pan is almost as good. His others are more than readable, but nowhere near as good.
Lee Child. His Jack Reacher series is very good. Reacher, in most of the books, is a former Army MP who sort of wanders around the country and finds trouble.
Tom Clancy. Hunt For Red October, Red Storm Rising, Patriot Games, Cardinal In the Kremlin, and the rest of the Jack Ryan series are long and very readable, even though the characters don’t have a lot of depth.
Michael Crichton: Good writer, lots of range, from Jurassic Park to State of Fear, a didactic novel that debunks the global warming thing. Timeline is a very entertaining book - archaeologists excavating a 14th century dig in France travel back in time to 14th century France. Airframe is a good book about a passenger plane that crashes, and the investigation into why. FAA, the airline, and the manufacturer try to avoid blame. He wrote The Andromeda Strain a long time ago.
Leo Tolstoy. People like to say "It’s like reading War and Peace" and then groan. None of them ever read the book. It, and Anna Karenina, are tremendous, at least if you can get the Constance Garnett translation. I’ve read them both several times.
John Fowles. The French Lieutenant’s Woman is his best known. Daniel Martin is a very good story about a man in his 40's who dumps his beautiful 20 something starlet girl friend for a woman in her 40's. The Magus blew me away in 1969 (I saw the movie with Anthony Quinn, Candice Bergen, and Michael Caine before I read the book).
John LeCarre. Wrote the Smiley books about England’s "CIA", then with the end of the cold war, moved on to books about arms traders and such. They all have to do with spies and such on some level. Excellent writer, he can get a bit tedious. His best book by far, IMO, is Little Drummer Girl. Nothing tedious about it.
Herman Wouk. Wouk is a great story teller. I really like Winds of War and its sequel, War of Remembrance, which follow a US Navy family through WW II. There was a real good TV movie made from the books, starring Robert Mitchum as Navy Commander Pug Henry. Wouk also wrote a good book about the birth of Israel, but I can’t remember the title. He has some other good books that I want to read.
Michael Connelly. Writes action/cop thrillers, mostly about LAPD guy Harry Bosch. But try Blood Work, where a retired FBI agent, who recently had a heart transplant, tracks down the killer of the person whose heart he got. Follow it with The Narrows, where Bosch looks into the death of the FBI agent. There was a good movie with Clint Eastwood made from Blood Work.
Scott Turow. Presumed Innocent is excellent. They made a very good movie from it, with Harrison Ford and Brian Dennehy and Bonnie Bedelia, but the book is better. Turow has written half a dozen other books with a legal setting, but none as good as Presumed Innocent.
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I've only recently gotten into reading(last 8 years or so)
My favorites so far are Tom Clancy, Stephen King(Dark Tower only), Ayn Rand, and George Orwell…of course I have a much larger list of nonfiction writers…Ron Paul being at the top. ;-)
Is there such a thing as a Playstation 3 Anonymous? I can't seem to stop thinking about or playing COD 4 and COD 5. I hear this is quite normal for a teenager, but I haven't been a teenager since Bill Clinton was frolicking with interns.
by Tim Lynch on Feb 4, 2009 2:16 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Orwell's 1984
I read it in 1960 or so. 1984 seemed so far off. Anyway, my friend, I’d bet anything that you’d like Peter Bowen’s Gabriel DuPre books. Read Coyote Wind, and tell me I’m wrong.
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for my eyes to behold the sun.
Ecclesiastes
by bradley on Feb 4, 2009 2:46 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I will look for it...I do have a book buying problem.
Although my book buying problem has been held in check by my recent addiction to PS3, Call to Duty 4 and 5. lol
Is there such a thing as a Playstation 3 Anonymous? I can't seem to stop thinking about or playing COD 4 and COD 5. I hear this is quite normal for a teenager, but I haven't been a teenager since Bill Clinton was frolicking with interns.
by Tim Lynch on Feb 4, 2009 3:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Libraries..
….work.
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for my eyes to behold the sun.
Ecclesiastes
by bradley on Feb 4, 2009 3:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
no...I am an avid re-reader. a great book only gets better the second time around.
Is there such a thing as a Playstation 3 Anonymous? I can't seem to stop thinking about or playing COD 4 and COD 5. I hear this is quite normal for a teenager, but I haven't been a teenager since Bill Clinton was frolicking with interns.
by Tim Lynch on Feb 4, 2009 4:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Great books get better the second time around
I agree. And often, the 4th or 5th time. I’ve read most of the books I recommended above at least twice. I’m currently at about page 800 of War And Peace (1400 pages), and I’ve read it several times in the past, but not since the 70’s. Fascinating to read it again after 30 or so years.
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for my eyes to behold the sun.
Ecclesiastes
by bradley on Feb 4, 2009 4:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite book of all-time...which isn't all that deep of a novel, but I love it all the same is
Tom Clancy’s Without Remorse. I can read that book without ever opening it…lol
Is there such a thing as a Playstation 3 Anonymous? I can't seem to stop thinking about or playing COD 4 and COD 5. I hear this is quite normal for a teenager, but I haven't been a teenager since Bill Clinton was frolicking with interns.
by Tim Lynch on Feb 4, 2009 5:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Without Remorse
John Clark is awesome in the book. I did feel a little sympathy for the guy in the pressure chamber though.
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for my eyes to behold the sun.
Ecclesiastes
by bradley on Feb 4, 2009 5:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't. The dude used pliers to torture his victims in the worst way....
No Remorse. That’s the point I think. :)
Is there such a thing as a Playstation 3 Anonymous? I can't seem to stop thinking about or playing COD 4 and COD 5. I hear this is quite normal for a teenager, but I haven't been a teenager since Bill Clinton was frolicking with interns.
by Tim Lynch on Feb 4, 2009 5:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, no remorse
My little bit of sympathy for the guy is because: 1) I’m claustrophobic. 2) I don’t think the guy actually killed anyone. 3) the badder guys got off with a bullet in the brain – richly deserved, but not as bad as a hours in a pressure chamber. Still, I love John (Kelly) Clark. What a great character throughout the Clancy books.
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for my eyes to behold the sun.
Ecclesiastes
by bradley on Feb 4, 2009 5:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...Henry deserved the chamber more than anyone, but Billy boy did taunt Mr. Clark....
Never taunt a bad mutha with a gun.
Is there such a thing as a Playstation 3 Anonymous? I can't seem to stop thinking about or playing COD 4 and COD 5. I hear this is quite normal for a teenager, but I haven't been a teenager since Bill Clinton was frolicking with interns.
by Tim Lynch on Feb 4, 2009 5:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish...
John Clark was my buddy. And Domingo Chavez.
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for my eyes to behold the sun.
Ecclesiastes
by bradley on Feb 4, 2009 5:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ding rocks
Is there such a thing as a Playstation 3 Anonymous? I can't seem to stop thinking about or playing COD 4 and COD 5. I hear this is quite normal for a teenager, but I haven't been a teenager since Bill Clinton was frolicking with interns.
by Tim Lynch on Feb 4, 2009 5:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I like your choices
I also enjoy the scifi/fantasy school. While I thought that Peter Jackson did a wonderful job, the lush visual descriptions in the original books of the Lord of the Rings trilogy (plus the Hobbit) set the bar for everything that came after and launched a new genre.
Asimov – 2001, a Space Oddesy. Who can forget Hal?
Ray Bradbuy: Martian Chronicles is a classic, as is Something Wicked this Way Comes
Gordon R. Dickson – The Dorsai Series was without peer.
Terry Goodkind – his Sword of Truth series is a B TV series, but it’s well written.
David Eddings – his two trilogies are great fun, and his Polgara and Belgarath books fit in well.
Terry Brooks does a nice fantasy series as well.
R. Zelazny – Nine Princes in Amber
In Goodman We Trust
by Emmett Smith on Feb 4, 2009 2:51 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Oops.
Arthur C. Clark wrote 2001; A Space Odyssey, not Isaac Asimov. Asimov wrote some great books though – the Foundation Trilogy, and the Naked Sun, if I remember correctly.
Bradbury’s Something Wicked This Way Comes was extremely compelling – I have a long story about reading it in a beer joint in Saigon on my fourth day in-country, and a very angry sergeant who thought I should have been doing something else.
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for my eyes to behold the sun.
Ecclesiastes
by bradley on Feb 4, 2009 3:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
My head was elsewhere. I had the sense to write them down at the bookstore!
In Goodman We Trust
by Emmett Smith on Feb 4, 2009 4:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm big into
sci-fi/fantasy: George R.R. Martin, Tolkien, Frank Herbert (but not so much Brian), Philip Pullman, the entirety of the Star Wars Expanded Universe, but above all, everything by Matt Stover. He writes the most amazing stuff. I have Gene Wolfe’s Shadow & Claw waiting to be read right now.
I also like some of Harry Turtledove’s alternate history novels, mostly his Timeline-191 series (even though the series gets progressively worse).
I also read academic military and diplomatic history works.
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
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by Russ Oates on Feb 4, 2009 3:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
George RR
I got into his Ice and Fire series a few years ago, I think when the first book was featured in Time. Unfortunately, the amount of time it has taken him and his publisher to finish and release the current book will have in the end probably turned me off of his books! I just don’t think I can or want to invest in the amount of time it would take to re-familiarize myself with the entire plot line and re-read 4 books, each at like 600-800 pages each. =/
I wonder how many of his other readers will feel the same way when he finally releases A Dance with Dragons.
lol… I just did some googling and the original prediction for release was late 2006. wow…
by tunga77 on Feb 4, 2009 3:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
the long wait is a disappointment, but the dude can tell a story.
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!
by Russ Oates on Feb 4, 2009 5:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my lord, books.
I love books, therefore, picking favorites is horrible. I tend to read a lot of kids books – they’re good, though!
I love Gregory Maguire — Wicked, Son of a Witch, and Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister are all good.
Ray Bradbury — Now and Forever, and Dandelion Wine are my favorites, but I also really liked Martian Chronicles.
Alice Hoffman — River King was my favorite, but I like anything she writes.
Eoin Colfer — The Artemis Fowl series is fantastic. It’s technically a kids series, but it’s just terrific.
Jonathan Stroud – The Bartimaeus Trilogy. Again, for kids, again, fantastic.
The Book Thief by Martin Zusak is probably one of the most amazingly written books I have ever had the pleasure to read. HIGHLY recommended.
Ender’s Game, Orson Scott Card. This book changed my life. I really am not kidding.
East of Eden, John Steinbeck
Things They Carried, Tim O’Brien
The Historian, Elizabeth Kostova,…
I could probably go on for several pages. Oh yeah, Water for Elephants, Sara Gruen. Last Book in the Universe, Rodman Philbrick…Okay, I’ll shut up now.
by Squeaky on Feb 4, 2009 3:46 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Bronco Books
These are a few great books about Broncos history.
The Color Orange: A Super Bowl Season With the Denver Broncos (Hardcover)
by Russell Martin
- A great ride through training camp and on into the season that culminated in “The Drive”
Going Long : The Wild Ten-Year Saga of the Renegade American Football League In the Words of Those Who Lived by Jeff Miller
- Just listed this in an early post, but this is a damn good read for anyone interested in real stories about the old AFL from the people who lived it.
My wife just bought me this one.
A Few Seconds of Panic: A 5-Foot-8, 170-Pound, 43-Year-Old Sportswriter Plays in the NFL by Stefan Fatsis
- Haven’t started it yet, but she has (she’s a fan of the writer from some book on Scrabble enthusiasts) and she tells me it’s great (and she’s from Seattle and therefore not a football fan). Once I get through the Rick Riley compilation that I got at the $1 store (for $1) that I’m reading now, I’ll get into it.
J
by Jezru on Feb 4, 2009 3:54 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Nice breakdown of the Broncos books
Thanks
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
by wyoeng on Feb 7, 2009 4:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Asimov
I must have been out of it – I read everything from his Understanding Physics to his treatise on the Bible. His Foundation trilogy was an amazing effort.
James Clavell – Shogun. The book was better by far than the miniseries, and I liked the series. His Noble House was also brilliant
In Goodman We Trust
by Emmett Smith on Feb 4, 2009 5:02 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
TH White - The Once and Future King
In Goodman We Trust
by Emmett Smith on Feb 4, 2009 5:03 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
A few good novels...
(I worked for bookstores for years, including the Tattered Cover during my Denver days):
Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry
The Brothers K by David James Duncan
A River Runs Through It by Norman McLean
Sometimes a Great Notion by Ken Kesey
The Work of Wolves by Kent Meyers
The Corrections by Jonathan Franzen
MS: "I'm sorry Jake. I've decided to go another direction."
JP: "But...."
by Plummer's But on Feb 4, 2009 5:32 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Brings back memories
I used to go to the Tattered Cover when it was an itty bitty used bookstore.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 7, 2009 4:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
A must read: Star Ship Troppers Not at all like the movie.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Feb 4, 2009 6:28 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Me too. That's why I despised the movie.
And it could have been such a good movie if they’d gotten a director who didn’t hate the book and Heinlein’s politics. They could have used the movie screen to show the inside of each trooper’s helmet visor, showing what he was seeing, then pan back to show the line of troopers (at half mile intervals, wasn’t it?) leaping across the countryside, firing nukes, etc. Instead we got shirtsleeved troopers on alien planets firing popguns with none of the neat armor ideas, and a movie sneering at itself – “Want more?” Oh, and Doogie Howser, silly-looking teenaged intelligence operative, all of it special effects driven. . .except for the armor, the one thing that should have been a special effects treat. Gaaaah!
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 7, 2009 4:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
What- no Twilight?!
Come on!! Twilight is the best book ever because of its realistic portrayal of vampires. I mean, the new Van Helsing movie totally gives vampires a bad name. They’re not mindless killers- they’re passionate high school boyfriends!
(Actual Twilight argument from a fangirl at my high school. I only changed it a little bit. I promise.)
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by papigrande on Feb 4, 2009 6:54 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Have you read...
…Interview With The Vampire, by Anne Rice? Rice is one of the best writers ever. The scene where Louis is turned into a vampire by LeStat is astonishing.
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for my eyes to behold the sun.
Ecclesiastes
by bradley on Feb 4, 2009 7:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't read any of Anne Rice's stuff
but I think I would enjoy it if I did. So many books. . .
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 7, 2009 10:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Had a hard time not laughing out loud in the theater
True romance with fangs, although they were pretty discreet about the fangs. Never saw one. A much, much better movie, more conventional in terms of vampire abilities and limitations, much less conventional in its plotting, is “Let the Right One In,” from Sweden. Lonely, picked-on twelve-year old boy meets and bonds with a little girl who’s been twelve “for a very long time,” with a plot twist at the end.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 7, 2009 4:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post!!
My favs…
Slaughterhouse Five – Kurt Vonnegut
As The Crow Flies – Jeffery Larcher
Libra – Dom DeLillo
A Farewell to Arms – Ernest Hemmingway
Billy Budd – (Novella) Herman Melville
Paradised Lost – Milton
In Cold Blood – Truman Capote
The People’s History of the United States – Howard Zinn
I Know This Much Is True – Wally Lamb
Walden Pond – Henry David Thoreau
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
by Steve O' on Feb 4, 2009 8:14 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Howard Zinn.
We have to read that one for history. It’s my favorite one that we read because I vehemently disagree with everything he has to say, to the point that it allows me to keep reading. Not so, Slave Narratives. Not so.
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by papigrande on Feb 4, 2009 9:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Howard Zinn
but his history, a disconnected series of episodes featuring feminists and other discriminated against minorities, doesn’t add up to a coherent overall narrative about the history, or even a history, of the United States. As a corrective, though, it’s nice.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 7, 2009 4:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Great responses
I think every one who reads a good book loves to turn a friend on to it. I’m saving all these recommended books, and will check them out. For some non-fiction, try
Carlos Castaneda’s books about Don Juan Matus. Castaneda, a grad student at UCLA majoring in anthropology, in the mid 60’s, meets Juan Matus, and enters into a 16 year apprenticeship. Don Juan blows my mind. I read these books over and over. The first is The Teachings of Don Juan; A Yaqui Way of Knowledge. The second is A Separate Reality. Then Journey To Ixtlan, then Tales of Power. There are about twelve altogether.
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for my eyes to behold the sun.
Ecclesiastes
by bradley on Feb 5, 2009 11:47 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
More like those
A Book of 5 Rings – Musashi
The Art of War – Sun Tzu
MasterPath: The Divine Science of Light and Sound, Vol. I
In Goodman We Trust
by Emmett Smith on Feb 5, 2009 2:04 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
You got me going bradley!
The only thing I like almost as much as the Broncos are books. I have read most all of the books mentioned, except a few of bradleys mysteries, which I am promptly ordering from my local library. Here’s a short list of some more of my favorite authors.
Mysteries:
Laurence Sanders- the McNally series and all his other books.
Harlan Coben- The Myron Bolitar (sports agent) series.
Fantasy/Sci-Fi
Robert Jordan"s- Wheel of time, although he died before finishing it, someone is doing the last book.
Stephan R. Donaldson
Robert A. Heinlein- The master next to Asimov
And last but not least – spiritual- not religious
Richard Bach- Illusions, a book that changes lives. His other books are good too. Especially if you like airplanes.
Neal Donald Walsch- Conversations with god— not about religion.
Wayne Dyer
Marriane Williamson
Now I have something else to read until the draft.
Great Post and rec"d
by danelama on Feb 5, 2009 6:27 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Harlan Corben is a lot of fun
Poetry (yes, I read poetry): Yeats. Perhaps the best of a long line of Irish authors, and that includes Swift.
Emily Dickinson.
Hey, did we forget Rudyard Kipling? Some of the best lyrical writing ever.
And on the other end of the board, John D. MacDonald, whose Travis McGee series was brilliant, and John Sanford, a modern descendant.
In Goodman We Trust
by Emmett Smith on Feb 5, 2009 10:21 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Favorite line from Kipling
I have this engraved ina wood panel in my office. I have wrote many a line under its watch:
From “M’Andrew’s Hymn”
“We hail the man, the artifexx
Who builds, in spite o’ knock an’ scale
O’ friction, waste an’ slip.
An’ by that light—Now mark my words—
We’ll build the perfect ship.”
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 5, 2009 11:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
T.S. Eliot has got to my favorite
poet ever. When I was in London, I had the pleasure of visiting his grave in Westminster Abbey…on the stone is inscribed, “the communication of the dead is tongued in fire beyond the language of the living.” It was amazing.
I’ve only read one thing by Kipling, but I really loved it.
by Squeaky on Feb 6, 2009 7:38 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see...
Authors:
Victor Hugo
Jack London
Tom Clancy
James Clavell
John Lecarre
Jeremy Bolander
William Makepeace Thackery
Ken Follett
If I listed books, I could just keep going on, and on, and on, and on, anon. : )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Feb 6, 2009 2:55 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I hear that Bolander guy is pretty good. I've read a couple of his works I think.
Is there such a thing as a Playstation 3 Anonymous? I can't seem to stop thinking about or playing COD 4 and COD 5. I hear this is quite normal for a teenager, but I haven't been a teenager since Bill Clinton was frolicking with interns.
by Tim Lynch on Feb 6, 2009 3:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
He's fascinating.
Most of his work is considered “underground literature” because it isn’t published widely. But the intellectual aura that surrounds his work (ranging between distant topics like engineering to the arts) is staggering. I got turned onto his stuff about a year and a half ago, and it’s all excellent!
One of my favorites is the book he wrote about his work translating the obscure “In Mari Glacies” (written by the last Russian Czar’s Latin tutor) into English, while leading an expedtion in the Arctic. It starts out with him training for a Brazilian mixed martial arts tournament, then deciding to do the expedition instead (because the expedition financier says he’ll put up the funds for an elite boarding school in Alaska if he’ll sign on to lead the trip). It’s all Shakelton expedition from there on out as a major storm wrecks the trip, and only 8 members and their sled dogs make it out alive. The dude made a fricking back-up radio (satelite!) out of their busted radio and a few sled parts!!!! Awesome reading, but hard to find unless you know someone who’s into unpublished, underground literature.
Styg50 is the only other guy I’ve met who hunts down Bolander works. You’ll notice that (in his profile) Styg lists Bolander as his favorite martial artist.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Feb 6, 2009 5:04 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
wowsers
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 6, 2009 6:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lol!!! Classic!
Is there such a thing as a Playstation 3 Anonymous? I can't seem to stop thinking about or playing COD 4 and COD 5. I hear this is quite normal for a teenager, but I haven't been a teenager since Bill Clinton was frolicking with interns.
by Tim Lynch on Feb 6, 2009 6:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I am working on the real thing now, finally, with some earnest. Exciting times.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 6, 2009 5:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You think anyone else is looking at this going...
Who the heck is Jeremy Bolander?
The only public information about this guy is here:
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_11187921
He must be a Bronco fan too….
Is there such a thing as a Playstation 3 Anonymous? I can't seem to stop thinking about or playing COD 4 and COD 5. I hear this is quite normal for a teenager, but I haven't been a teenager since Bill Clinton was frolicking with interns.
by Tim Lynch on Feb 6, 2009 6:21 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Zap...
how is your dad doing?
From there, I'd like to say that the wheels came off, but that wouldn't feel like an accurate description. The wheels didn't just magically come off, the Raiders all got out of the car, shot the wheels off the own car, busted out the taillights, smashed the windshield and poured Splenda in the gas tank. Then they all piled back inside and started screaming, "CAR WON'T MOVE, ME SAD NOW!" - MJD Yahoo Sports
by donbok1 on Feb 7, 2009 10:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, Paige undercut his argument about fairness.
I honestly believe that the right people get in for the right reasons. John Elway got in on the first ballot. I’m sure it was unanimous. Randy Gradishar belongs, as does Steve Atwater and Dennis Smith and Terrell Davis and Rich Jackson and some others (Shannon Sharpe will make it this year) but there was sound reasoning.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Feb 7, 2009 2:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You think anyone else. . .?
Er, yeah, I was. Thanks for the link. My fiction reading is pretty narrow, mainly sci-fi and an occasional mystery or psychological thriller/police procedural. This guy sounds like a regular McGuyver.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 7, 2009 10:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite book
was Hole in my LIfe. An autobigraphy of author Jack Gantos who while he was a kid living in the Carribean got caught smuggling drugs
83 days til draft...
by robbo650 on Feb 6, 2009 9:56 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Some Good Non-Fiction/history
Some biographies that are real good are Donovan, about Bill Donovan who ran the OSS during WW II; Truman, about President Truman; Nimitz, about Admiral Chester Nimitz, who took over the U.S. Navy in the Pacific after Pearl Harbor; and The Last Lion, a two volume work about Churchill (unfortunately, Vol II ends about 1941, and the author never finished Vol. III).
I like WW II books – anything by Cornelius Ryan (The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far) is good. John Toland’s The Rising Sun, about the war in the Pacific, is real good.
Guns of August by Barbara Tuchman is very good – about the start of WW I, and the first couple months of fighting.
The God Particle, by Leon Lederman. Lederman is a particle physicist who won the Nobel in the 90’s. He does a very good job of explaining particle physics to us laymen (did you know that 30 million muons pass through your thumb every second?)
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for my eyes to behold the sun.
Ecclesiastes
by bradley on Feb 7, 2009 10:45 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
John Toland
also wrote a remarkably detailed biography of Hitler.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 7, 2009 10:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The First American
It’s a bio on Benjamin Franklin – very interestin gread about a man who was so many things as to defy a short description. Good read.
There is also a book called Earth: The Sequel. It’s about the revolution in alternative energy, well written and documented. Im interested in the firld, and I was surprised to learn how much of the book, researched in 2007 and published in 2008, was already out of date. The tech revolution moves on….
Do any of you sciFi fans recall a short story, written, I think, by Asimov, call ‘Technology’? It used to be required reading for employees of the Pentagon. It described how a technologically advanced country/race lost a war becuase they kept chasing the Newest Best Thing. Since there is always something better being developed, they never got their weapons actually on line and produced. I loved it, but that was 25 years ago and I’ve lost track of it.
In Goodman We Trust
by Emmett Smith on Feb 7, 2009 11:19 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
This thread is as great as it is unexpected
I spent almost 20 years working in the Trade Book Dept. at the University of Oregon Bookstore, and I’ve read many of the books mentioned above, especially sci-fi, and heard of many more. In fact sci-fi was one of my sections. In addition to the many authors mentioned above, of whom Heinlein (Revolt in 2100, Covenant, many et ceteras) is my favorite, I loved Harrison’s Deathworld series and all of Andre Norton’s novels. I loved Jean Auel’s Clan of the Cave Bear and sequels, Larry Niven’s Kzin novels, and (Niven’s and Pournelle’s?) amazing The Mote in God’s Eye. Robert L. Forward’s hard science Starquake is reminiscent of the latter, in that he creates a really alien reality virtually from scratch and in loving detail, but has an additional time dimension in that these creatures, living on a neutron star, go through entire civilizational cycles in not much more than the blink of a human eye. I used to really like Ursula K. LeGuin (The Dispossessed and The Left Hand of Darkness), and I loved Margaret Atwood’s The Handmaid’s Tale, about a near-future religious dictatorship in which the few remaining fertile women are basically child-producing slaves for Christian bigwigs. It was made into a movie starring Robert Duvall as the Christian general. Lately I’ve been enamored of S.M. Stirling’s “change” novels, first the trilogy Dies the Fire, The Protector’s War, and A Meeting at Corvallis, and now a new series, picking up about twenty years later with The Sunrise Lands and The Scourge of God, with two to go and me reduced to reading the first four chapters of the next installment online at Stirling’s site. Tease, tease.
But much of my favorite stuff is nonfiction, such as Thomas Kuhn’s The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, The Essential Tension: Selected Studies in Scientific Tradition and Change, and Black-Body Theory and the Quantum Discontinuity, 1894-1912. Kuhn’s work reflects my interest in scientific development and change and, more generally, historical turning points that are part of large-scale historical rhythms. Hence Arthur Koestler’s The Sleepwalkers; Thomas Goldstein’s Dawn of Modern Science, which led to works on art history such as Irwin Panofsky’s Gothic Architecture and Scholasticism and Renaissance and Renascences in Western Art, and Samuel Edgerton, Jr.‘s lovely and informative coffee-table book The Heritage of Giotto’s Geometry: Art and Science on the Eve of the Scientific Revolution. The Great Devonian Controversy, by Martin J.S. Rudwick, brilliantly chronicles an eight years long (1834-42) transition in the science of geology. Robert Muir Wood’s The Dark Side of the Earth is the best of many good books on the more recent 1960s revolution
in the earth sciences. Peter J. Bowler’s The Non-Darwinian Revolution offers a deeply subversive account of the nature of that turning point and of the subsequent historical path to the modern synthesis.
My interest in the seventeenth century is reflected in Mark A. Kishlansky’s Parliamentary Selection: Social and Political Choice in Early Modern England, which shows how failing to recognize virtually a reversal of the meanings of terms like “free election” and “voting” between the early and late seventeenth century has misled historians about the nature of society and politics during the former period and has also rendered invisible certain aspects of the sociopolitical transformation which took place during the middle decades
of the century. A different aspect of the profound sociocultural changes of the seventeenth century can be found in books directly or indirectly about the Scientific Revolution, such as Steven Shapin’s and Simon Schaffer’s Leviathan and the Air-Pump, which covers the social/intellectual preconditions for the rise of Baconian experimental science; and Peter Dear’s Discipline and Experience, which covers some of the same ground by showing via document analysis how “experimentum” referred to a singular occurrance for Baconians but to a recipe for “having an experience” for pre-Baconians. Other books which reveal historical/social/psychological transitions are Gary Tomlinson’s Music in Renaissance Magic and Ivan Illich’s In the Vineyard of the Text: A Commentary to Hugh’s Didascalicon.
Psychology, especially developmental, and biography are the subject matter of many of my favorite books. Jean Piaget is good but L.S. Vygotsky is sensational, most notably in Thinking and Speech (usually rendered as Thought and Language) and in Vol V (Child Psychology) of his Collected Works. My biographies cluster in multiples around certain individuals, such as Adolf Hitler (Hitler, by Joachim Fest); Sigmund Freud (Freud, Biologist of the Mind, by Frank J. Sulloway); Carl Jung (C.G. Jung: The Haunted Prophet, by Paul J. Stern); Charles Darwin (Darwin on Man: A Psychological Study of Scientific Creativity, by Howard E. Gruber); and Isaac Newton (Never at Rest, by Richard Westfall), to name only my favorite on each, and various oddball singletons, such as Sylvia Nasar’s A Beautiful Mind, about brilliant mathematician John Nash, who became schizophrenic – basically stark, raving mad – but who decades later regained his sanity and won the Nobel Prize in economics for his earlier work; and James Watson’s The Double Helix.
Other books which don’t neatly fit any of the above categories but which left their “imprint” on me are Janet Gleeson’s The Arcanum, the strange story behind the discovery (in the West) of how to make porcelain; Dr. Robert D. Hare’s Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us; Bill Bryson’s
The Mother Tongue: English and How It Got That Way; Peter Marris’ Loss and Change, about how “understanding grief can help us to understand processes of change, both personal and social,” and how urban renewal in third-world countries can go wrong when the (usually Western or Western-oriented) developers fail to understand and take into account the cultural backgrounds of the peoples involved; and Lawrence Harrison’s Underdevelopment is a State of Mind: The Latin American Case, in which he tries to account for different developmental patterns in different countries by referring to cultural backgrounds (including who colonized them) and to the inculcation via child-rearing practices especially but also other agents of socialization of culture-specific mentalities which underlie characteristic national/regional failures and successes.
Wow! Didn’t mean to list so many favorite books. Maybe that’s what twenty years in a university bookstore will do to you, or maybe that’s why I was there in the first place.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 7, 2009 10:02 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
A Beautiful Mind
Spock – did you see the movie, with Russell Crowe? If so, what did you think of it?
Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for my eyes to behold the sun.
Ecclesiastes
by bradley on Feb 8, 2009 1:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen it three times so far
It’s one of my favorites. The secret agent thing with Ed Harris was made up, but it was a plausible reconstruction. Nash himself could not remember much about those lost years, just bits and pieces. He was in a fog. They could either leave that period blank, thus leaving out the heart of the story, or they could try to capture the essence of it based on scattered clues and memory fragments. They didn’t change anything significant here, just filled in the blanks. They were true to the story, something I always appreciate from movie makers because it happens so rarely. Add in the acting – I like Jennifer Connelly, Russell Crowe is really good, and Ed Harris has pretty much been my favorite actor since Apollo 13 and Enemy at the Gates – and you’ve got a compelling movie. For me the emotional climax of the film, and I do mean emotional, was the scene in which the faculty one by one put their pens on his table. That closed the circle. They got a lot of details right, of which the most telling was his admission that he never quit seeing imaginary people, he just quit acknowledging them. I think his finally being able to stand outside himself and see his own thinking was the key to his recovery.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 8, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I read there was some controversy about the film's accuracy.
I haven’t seen the film, but I read a review that was critical of the fact that several issues weren’t explored. Among these issues were that he was a horrible womanizer (while married), and treated several people badly. I’m more familiar with Dr. Nash’s work than I am with him, and haven’t seen the movie, so I can’t comment with any intelligence on the matter. I have heard the film is great though.
Loved Enemy at the Gates (a true story, and based on a book by the same name that is actually a large work about the battle for Stalingrad). Agreed also that Harris is terrific.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Feb 9, 2009 10:01 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Telling the truth
The criticisms you refer to are valid but perhaps don’t take into account that there is more than one way to “tell the truth” about a given subject, especially in a medium which requires drastic condensation (compared to a book) in order to tell its story. See here for a thoughtful review from Notices of the American Mathematical Society in which the author, whose brother is schizophrenic, acknowledges various criticisms but nonetheless takes a positive view of director Ron Howard’s and screenwriter Akiva Goldsman’s accomplishment.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 10, 2009 7:50 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point on the medium being a source of distortion
I have written a few screenplays, and one was an adaptation of Victor Hugo’s novel, Quatrevingt Trois. Movie making is a medium with some advantages and disadvantages, while novels tend to trend towards the opposite end of those particular pluses and handicaps.. For instance, a novel will allow you to clearly see what someone is thinking, whereas techniques used in movies to do this are limited usually to exposition (the morgan freeman narration of Shawshank redemption) or confusion for the viewer. The best movies leave that element out. But a novel requires loads of information to do something as simple as accurately describe what someone is wearing and how they enter a room, while a movie requires around 3 seconds or less of perceptual concretization to do the same thing.
I recently watched a Ron Howard interview on TCM, and he talked about his vision for the story (Beautiful Mind). The vision and purpose of the movie itself diverged from the intent of the story, as it must, as it was someone else’s creation. I have a problem with movies that place “remaining true to the novel” as their highest goal. Why make the movie? The fact that some director or producer would hold that as their goal makes me call into question their ability to do it in the first place, or to bring something to me that I haven’t already seen or already paid for, or already experienced in any way.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 10, 2009 11:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
You made my point better than I could have
because to some degree I was acting contrary to my own instincts in defending the movie against its critics. That’s why I jettisoned my original, much longer response and left it to the review itself to carry the burden of the argument. My orientation is toward science and, sometimes to an excessive degree, to “what really happened”. That’s especially so with regards to historical epics, in which directors and writers with little or no historical sensitivity make what seem to me gratuitous changes in order to parade their “creativity”. With history I tend to prefer a documentary or quasi-documentary approach, analogous to Irving Stone’s biographical novels in which he researches in great detail what went on in his subject’s life but also supplies, within that framework, plausible inner and outer dialogue. I’m not incapable of appreciating a more hermeneutic approach but with history especially it takes some effort.
As an amateur and no doubt amateurish film buff I found your comparisons enlightening. A narrated film – I love The Shawshank Redemption – is in a sense an illustrated book, and while I often enjoy them, particular if the narrator’s voice has a pleasant burr (Freeman, Lorne Greene, Orson Welles), at other times they fall flat. Conversely, I have also enjoyed movies, often described as experimental, in which the movie withholds from us a God’s-eye view, instead presenting us with no more and no less information than a character would be able to glean from the interaction itself. I imagine it takes considerable ingenuity to tell a story that way, and perhaps to choose what kind of story to tell, without leaving the audience completely at sea. Yet even if confusion, at least initial, often results the experience can be exhilarating, as in for instance Memento, a spell-binding film, or Sex with Lucia (Spanish film).
Your description of what’s easy in a novel and difficult in a film, and vice sersa, is telling. That’s exactly what I had in mind in trying to explain/understand what makes A Beautiful Mind a worthwhile effort and experience. With regards to the choices a filmmaker makes I’m reminded of two current films, one a popular success, the other not so much. Twilight is innovative in its characterization of vampires per se, but that background serves an utterly conventional teen True Romance, Titanic in a different setting. The Swedish film Let the Right One In is, in contrast, conventional in what it attributes to vampires per se, but tells a much more innovative and interesting story.
I wish I could have caught the Ron Howard interview, but have had to pare back my TV package to the bare bones for the next two or three months. I would have enjoyed hearing his description of what he was trying to do. I do sometimes get irritated at movies for not remaining “faithful to the story”, especially when it seems to me that the maker has made changes solely to appear non-derivative. I guess sometimes I just want to see, as much as possible, the same story in a different medium. But there are many instances in which one cannot and should not preserve in filmic amber the book version of the story, and you very nicely make the case for the latter.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 10, 2009 3:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
For the sake of interesting conversation
I do sometimes get irritated at movies for not remaining "faithful to the story", especially when it seems to me that the maker has made changes solely to appear non-derivative. I guess sometimes I just want to see, as much as possible, the same story in a different medium. But there are many instances in which one cannot and should not preserve in filmic amber the book version of the story, and you very nicely make the case for the latter.
I am thinking the essence of the dichotomy comes down to what the theme of a particular work is, and what the nature of that theme req
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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 10, 2009 7:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That was wierd. Funny computer.
I’ll start up right where I left off…
I was going to say that the nature of the theme would require a particular medium to be executed to its fullest. An example that usually is sort of controversial when I bring it up to fans of the movies and novels, is the Lord of the Rings Trilogy by Tolkien. I would say the majority of the fans feel that the movies were true and accurate to the novels, and I certainly agree. Jackson went to great lengths and expense to see to it that it happened that way.
But I feel like the success of the movies has less to do with being true to the source, as being the ideal vehicle for the source: to me the novels were unrealized potential for the type of theme that Tolkien was exploring. Now, i have heard that the theme of Lord of the Rings was Good vs. Evil….yawn. Every conflict can be described as good vs. evil. Based on Tolkien’s journals and letter, most notably his letters to his brother, it can pretty clearly be derived that Tolkien didn’t really write his stories with an idea of working with a theme or plot, which is the absolute number one requirement of a Novel, followed closely by characterization. All other tools such as setting, narrative, description are merely means to an end, namely, the furtherance of a plot. The tail doesn’t wag the dog, especially in a novel. The upshot of this is that his novels, while containing a series of connected events, did not contain a plot. But no writer can write a story without the motivation that a theme implies, so if they don’t consciously dictate the theme, it will unconsciously dictate itself. As a result, Tolkien’s theme, throughout the trilogy, is: description.
More than anything else, Tolkien imagined another world. His journals and letters show a man obsessed with this other world, and over the span of many years he came to know that world better than he really knew reality. The trilogy was his attempt to record it. The Hobbit was a different beast though, as it did have a theme and plot (simple, but there), but he drifted away from style of the hobbit to write the Trilogy, and put far more effort into the trilogy. The tilogy was what he set out to do, and that was to create a fantasy world. But in my opinion he used the wrong tool. It was the best tool available to him, but it still wasn’t the best suited.
Enter Jackson, years later, who uses the power of percepts: movies, to finish what Tolkien started. The goal of the trilogy is to create a world for the sake of creating a world. The semblance of a plot, and the ensuing conflicts and value judgments are rudimentary at best. Evil is bad, good rocks is hardly a revelation or worthy of three books worth of identical conflicts, solutions and resolutions which change in description only, but not in essential nature. At its root, each book of the trilogy is no different from the preceding one. But the descriptions of the races, the different lands, even the detailed flora and fauna that decorated the world WERE worthy of notice, and DID require three books to accurately describe.
Bottom line is that the theme, i.e. the staggering beauty of Tolkien’s fantasy world, made a better movie than book, because the value of percepts (visual entities in this case) outweighed the value of concepts they represented (a novel’s forte). In contrast, could a movie better explore a conceptual theme than a book? Only if the theme required significant perceptual visuals. Another significant factor will be the skill of the artisan of course, as a poor writer of novels may give a worse treatment of a concept than a fantastic moviemaker working with the same idea, but all things being equal, some themes capitalize the greatest on certain mediums.
As an aside, because biographies cover the gamut of human experience, and subsume the entirety of human knowledge and understanding, requiring rigorous and concise excision to reduce them to the essentials, I will go out on a shaky limb and theorize that they are best left in the hands of master writers, the purest of the conceptual disciplines, with the largest capability for inclusion based on space concerns. In other words, they would be the least likely to leave something out for concerns other than essentiality. The human soul is too tremendous of a value to risk misrepresenting.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 10, 2009 8:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The pull of otherness
Your take on Tolkien’s trilogy rings true and prompts additional observations. The admiration of the movie by many hardcore Tolkien fans is grudging because for them Jackson wasn’t quite faithful to the story, although they’re willing to concede that he did the best that could be done “under the circumstances”. There are too many simultaneous strands and too many details to capture even in nine hours worth of movie time. These fans are often into computer-based role-playing games, which were probably invented by Tolkien fans in the first place. A major part of the trilogy’s attraction for them is the hero’s journey, the epic quest. Yet why a quest in such a strange world with such strange creatures? The radical otherness Tolkien created is for them a perhaps indispensable element in the attractiveness of the quest. Yet many of Tolkien’s most rabid fans aren’t that much into sci-fi per se, or are into only its sword and sorcery variant. I conclude that not only are you right about Tolkien – your argument reminds me of how obsessed he was with that alternate reality per se – but that Tolkien himself was not characteristic of many of his most diehard fans. For him the creation of a complete, from the ground up reality was the point, and the quest a somewhat conventional vehicle for its realization. For him film would have been the ideal medium for his vision, as so brilliantly conjured up by Jackson.
I was never that much of a sword and sorcery or Tolkien aficianado, though one of my exes was (as witness a 1956 Pontiac hearse named Frodo). The journey palls, and the incessant cranking up of the good vs. evil stakes wearies, as our heroes race to avert defeat, nay destruction of their culture, nay obliteration of the entire world, nay the blinking out of existence of reality itself at the hands of ever more intensified evilness. Enough already! For the true sci-fi fan the creation of a from-the-ground-up reality is the point, and all else is subsidiary. Critics of the genre like to point out that it’s weak in plotting and characterization. Yes, because for the sci-fi nut the draw is the imagined reality, whether rockets and technology, alien creatures on strange planets, or future societies, as summed up in Heinlein’s evocative phrase and title, If This Goes On. If in addition to that an author such as Orson Scott Card or Ursula LeGuinn offers vivid characterization and turn-the-page plotting so much the better, but it’s not essential. In perhaps the most undiluted form of sci-fi, the short story, in which the aesthetic jolt of strangeness is at its apex, the setting is the plot.
Especially relevant to Jackson’s realization of Tolkien’s vision, and to on-screen sci-fi in general, is the intelligent use of special effects. Too often directors utilize special effects not to serve the plot or vision but as an end in itself. Look at what we can do! Despite the trilogy being heavy on special effects I never felt that any of them were superfluous. Individually and collectively they served the story and helped bring Tolkien’s vision vividly to life. The giant hyenas were not only stunningly realistic, they were an integral part of the story/experience, likewise Gollum. The story of the bringing to life on film of the latter, one of the special features of the DVD set, was almost as entertaining as the movies.
Biographies, like histories, are especially relevant to me as sources for the kind of knowledge I pursue, of natural motivational rhythms underlying the surface of development and change. The benefit of a fine biographer or historian, steeped in the details of his or her subject or subject matter, is that s/he is uniquely equipped to see the natural unitary periods into which the life or history can be divided, what they’re unitary with respect to (which is ordinarily implicit and must be teased out), and when the turning points (whose durations vary according on the sizes of the rhythms) occur. Since it would be all too easy for me, the person who’s looking for patterns, to read into the lives and histories what I expect to find, it’s methodologically better to trust the sense of the biographer/historian as to where the natural dividing points lie. The tricky part is deciding which writers to trust, or who to trust more, and for that I can offer no better prescription than a sense of what “rings true” along with an awareness of what various well-informed critics think. Since for me the efforts of master writers (along with the work of developmental psychologists such as Piaget and Vygotsky) are so central to what I do, I don’t think the limb you’ve gone out on is too shaky to carry the weight of your argument.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 11, 2009 12:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I've got your email
I’ll reply, on many different points in this topic, especially the sci-fi, in an email, since we are probably the last ones still hanging around here… :)
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by Jeremy Bolander on Feb 11, 2009 12:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll check MHR AND my inbox, then
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 11, 2009 6:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a fair point.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Feb 10, 2009 1:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's interesting to me
that Styg writes screenplays and that you’re actually familiar with Nash’s work. All of us here intersect in this one dimension, our love of football and the Broncos, yet are wildly divergent in our abilities, backgrounds, and life settings. From a sociological and personal viewpoint I enjoy seeing how we draw on these disparate capacities to inform our understanding and appreciation of the Broncos.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Feb 10, 2009 3:57 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

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