Talks between Jay Cutler and Broncos now on hold
by John Bena on Mar 1, 2009 6:20 PM MST
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Talks between the Denver Broncos and star quarterback Jay Cutler are currently on hold. The Broncos had hoped to clear the air with Jay Cutler on Sunday, but the quarterback told CBS4 that he does not plan on meeting with Broncos officials anytime soon.
I'll re-iterate what I said before. The Broncos are correct to look into any deal regarding anyone on this team. Jay Cutler needs to realize that as much as he wants to think he is Peyton or Eli Manning, or Ben Roethlisberger, or even Phillip Rivers, he isn't. What he is, however, is an employee of the Denver Broncos. He wasn't traded, and my feelings are it is because the Broncos determined, after looking at any proposed deal, that it would not be in their best interest.
At this point I have grown tired of having to get information spoon-fed from the traditional media and I invite anyone, from either side, to contact me in order to speak directly to Broncos Fans, the most important ingredient in this entire endeavor. If anyone from the Broncos, or from Jay Cutler's camp, would like to reach me, please call (303) 731-5605.
I say, enough with the filtered message! Come speak directly to the most important people in the organization, THE FANS!!!
GO BRONCOS!
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Say what you want, but to not acknowledge Jay Cutler as a true All-Pro Franchise QB
is just plain out offensive.
I agree, he is....
But this situation needs to be handled now….
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Sorry Guru, I didnt mean for it to sound offensive,
O completely agree with you, I truly respect your where you are coming from here; “no player is bigger than the team”
While it is true no player is bigger than the team...
…, it is also true that in professional sports, the player has to look out to protect himself because nobody else is going to do it.
I mentioned this before when the talk was pretty hot and heavy about trading Champ Bailey, but i got the distinct impression my comments went over like a lead balloon.
We demand that our players have strong character traits like “self sacrifice” and a “team first attitude”. But do we demonstrate the same character? We, demand that the team win at all costs. If that means a player, who has given you his heart and soul and thought he was your friend, is treated like a piece of meat then so be it.
Don’t we owe these players some of our loyalty too? And if not, don’t we, at the very least, need to treat them like human beings?
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Mar 1, 2009 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
completely, didnt you see my first comment?
say what you want, but to not acknowledge Jay Cutler is an All Pro Franchise QB is just plain out offensive
I am really disgusted by the front office, this guy is a true Franchise Qb, the first since Elway left, and there are talks about even thinking of a trade?? thats just ridiculous. In my mind, he indeed is a Roethlisberger or a Manning or a Rivers. And i already said this, for me, this is really clear, McDanields wants to bring in HIS guys and be the commander of his own ship with his own crew. And for me that is messed up. The owner blew it big time bringing in this guy, this team already had all its pieces together on offense and just needed someone to come here and fix the defense but leave the offense alone. And now there are talks about trading your franchise QB?? thats just ludicrous
+1000
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
I think most people agree that loyalty is largely gone...
… with respect to the player/team once the player has outgrown his use.
But I completely agree with the statement that the players need to be treated like human beings.
If you feel the need to, pull your top 10 players in and say -
boys, we respect all you guys and want you to be with us next year. We have no plans to get rid of any of you. But for us we’re starting anew and so anything goes. If we get an offer for that we can’t refuse, then we owe it to you now to let you know that we will consider anything that comes across our table. That’s our job.
Say it at the beginning. So everyone knows the gig and no one takes it personal. That’s treating people like men but also letting them know that no one is bigger than the team
Darren Bennett... check
Ben Graham... check
Sav Rocca... check
Now if only we can find an Australian who can run and tackle in the NFL and show these Yanks what we're made of.
by orange&blue_aussie on Mar 1, 2009 7:45 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
though i agree with you...
I don’t think these players should need to be reminded that they are important to the team because their pay checks indicate that. If McDaniels isn’t calling other teams to try to trade Cutler, he isn’t exactly shopping him. Listening to an offer and denying it shows faith in Cutler while not turning an offer that might (though probably won’t) help the team. They should know if there is an offer the team can’t refuse they will take it… It’s a business. They pay these players just like employees, and the employees of companies do their jobs to make the company run.
The fact of the matter is, the Broncos didn’t trade Cutler and it was obviously Denver that said no because NE would have gotten a better pick than the 34th overall from Tampa. Cutler takes things way too personally and to not talk to McDaniels to hear for himself what the situation is seems childish to me. The sooner they sort this deal out the better for the team, Cutler, and the fans.
Good point - point taken
It’s a question of a choice between treating things as
“what should be damn plain obvious and the players should know the score”
vs
“even though it’s obvious, let’s keep the important guys in the loop regardless”
On another point I think with the broncos, something that is both a bonus and a negative is that there is a core of that offense:
Clady
Cutler
Marshall (pre-arrest)
Royal
Scheffler
Kuper
Harris
These guys are all within 2-3 years age of each other. We’ve witnessed some very close friendships and i’m sure these guys were bound to make some sacrifices (or at least make it a priority) in the future to stick together.
The negative that i don’t like about this is that you rock the boat with one of them, then what does that do to the attitudes of the others? It’s human nature. And going back to my original point, if you treat everyone fairly and openly regardless of your intentions, then not only do you minimise the damage to one of your key players attitudes, but also the attitudes of the playing core. I just get the feeling that this has the potential to implode and all because management weren’t more open with their team leaders.
Darren Bennett... check
Ben Graham... check
Sav Rocca... check
Now if only we can find an Australian who can run and tackle in the NFL and show these Yanks what we're made of.
by orange&blue_aussie on Mar 1, 2009 10:13 PM MST up reply actions
I want to thank you all.
I think that the truley saving grace of athletics is all the positive qualities it builds in individuals, qualities we value and label “character”. These are the things that make for great players. That’s why I encouraged all my children to become involved in athletics. Where else can they learn character as well?
Unfortunately, sometimes the fact that the NFL is a professional game works against those same positive qualities because winning becomes more important than character. Isn’t that why we get those players, and I don’t need to list them, who only think about themselves and yet get chance after chance to come back? Isn’t that why we get steriods and HGH and spygate and all the other things that fly in the face of character?
I can understand trades. Sometimes things just don’t work out, aren’t quite right and both need to move on, kind of like a marriage that has gone bad. Even if just one of the parties isn’t happy, things still need to change. Usually it’s best for all concerned.
But each still needs to respect the other.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Mar 2, 2009 9:25 AM MST up reply actions
Hi TJ
Nice comment. Not sure if that was aimed at me or not but i agree with you
Darren Bennett... check
Ben Graham... check
Sav Rocca... check
Now if only we can find an Australian who can run and tackle in the NFL and show these Yanks what we're made of.
by orange&blue_aussie on Mar 2, 2009 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
Yes, if I wasn't clear I meant you and...
…patdog, adam, earthtiger, FC, weazle, bradley, broncoman, and Mau. At the risk of sounding like some kind of iconoclast, I think professionalism has taken some of the best qualities out of sport. The places you can still see it best are in the neighborhood pick-up games and school yards during recess. Maybe the execution isn’t as nice but the hearts are so much more nearly pure.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Mar 3, 2009 9:13 AM MST up reply actions
+! I totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I see said the Blind man to the Deaf man who was near.
What is it you hear when I speak in your ear.
by UB3 on Mar 1, 2009 6:43 PM MST up reply actions
Ok slow your roll
Now the onus may be on Jay but if he chooses to wait til Monday morning to jump up and fix this bs that he had no part in starting… fine by me. But he better. The High ups seem to have considered their options and chose him as their best one. He should look at it that way in the end and let them tell him as much.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 1, 2009 7:08 PM MST up reply actions
Here. Here Guru.....
I am now officially done with this whole mess, and sadly, with Jay Cutler. What a little wuss bag.
Get Detroit on the phone, give them Cutler for their first 3 picks, deal one of those picks to Arizona for Matt Leinart.
If Cassel can succeed in Jedi McD’s system, Leinart will be a flat out star.
I want to get rid of Cutler now…..I am over him.
Sorry for the rant and bring on the abuse….I just dont care.
The kid is now as much to blame as the organization.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
ill take that deal in a heartbeat now
draft BJ Knowshon and cushing/rey. Superbowl in 2 years(ok not that soon but it would be aewsome)
bye bye DRE
i dont think you realize how hard is getting a Franchise Qb nowadays
and if you hit gold, then how long it takes to develop him
Even at the cost of team harmony?
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Interesting, but I think this is going to be something more of a players vs. coaches/FO
nobody wanted Shanny gone, specially the offensive guys, and I do believe, as Jay said, that he loves playing for his guys and his guys love playing for him and that if he leaves, the FO is going to have trouble with the players. Because, already, McDanields basically told his offense ´you are not my guys, i want to bring in my guys´. You can already see it with Jabar Gaffney and he wanted Cassel so how do you think all the real broncos are going to feel?? I you asked me, I´d pull for MY players and my guys, not some Patriot who came over to turn this into patriot land
+1 for the nads to say that
WHile I’m not so drastic in my opinion, I am totally pissed at Cutler for this trash. He shouldn’t be handling things through the media. And he should be taking his ball and going home from the park cause he doesn’t like how ittle wittle McDaniels is treating him. Bronco up and go talk to the organization you friggin crying windbag!!! YOU are a freaking millionaire and the Broncos pay you…this is freaking NOTHING. Bowlen went and got you the best possible coach for your future and you are playing freaking playground games with this!? Really!? You are as friggin dippy as your flipping haircut. Once again BRONCO UP dude!
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
Augh...
I seriously need to do something else….
Please work this out, guys.
Aue tehan-deoes shaj do’ ai poyene slueden!
I hereby remove th strike that I gave to McD
and place it on Jay. News flash to Jay: You’re acting like a total douche. Grow up. Call me when you have done HALF of what Manning or Brady has done. Or one tenth of what Elway did. I for one won’t have my franchise QB sitting around whining like a petulant 10 year old girl.
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
Great work Papi.....I say get rid of him to Detroit now.....you can tell he has the same agent as Favre because he is being a bigger prima donna!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Great work Papi.....I say get rid of him to Detroit now
And I say Get rid of you back to Australia. How you like them apples?
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
Nice Bradley...that really got me.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
What's your problem?
Boydy is one of the most passionate contributors to these boards. He provides us all with great content.
With passion often comes disagreements. You don’t like what boydy has to say, either ignore it or articulately disagree.
And besides… the apples are much better in Australia anyway, so you’ll have to come up with better than that.
Darren Bennett... check
Ben Graham... check
Sav Rocca... check
Now if only we can find an Australian who can run and tackle in the NFL and show these Yanks what we're made of.
by orange&blue_aussie on Mar 1, 2009 7:54 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks O and B...
Hope things are good back home.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
wow
people are going to have their opinions on this situation. If that is too much to handle right now, consider stepping away from the keyboard until things simmer down.
Personal attacks on members are just out of line.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 7:55 PM MST up reply actions
Not a personal attack
Just pointing out what is the effect of telling Cutler to get off to Detroit or someplace, anywhere but Denver.
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
I actually kind of read it that way
I mean, you don’t seem like the type. I just wanted to be sure.
One thing for sure, there is a lot of heat right now…
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:00 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, ...
…no heat here. If it comes to that, you’ll know it for sure. But at 62, I mostly try to stay warm.
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
Its all cool....I am stoked Bradley is passionate too...sorry for any attitude I gave you man.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
+1000
"You can't make the club if you're in the tub." -- Rod Smith
by broncosmontana on Mar 1, 2009 8:17 PM MST up reply actions
+1
That was a bit too much…we may have different opinions, but we’re all Bronco family around here (even PosterNutBag is my boy even though he’s ticked me off a time or two ;)
Let me take Clark’s role a bit here:
Everyone take a deep breath. We’re all going to be fine and our franchise is going to get better and better. All this drama will pass or someone (Bowlen or McDaniels) will remove the drama and keep the ship going. We have great things happening to go along with all this cockaboo crap. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. Trials and tribulations happen only to those strong enough to weather them. This team will come out of it and will be better off for it.
Much love to all my Bronco family out there. :)
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
im losing a ton of respect for him by the second
Now he is just holding a grudge and being a little bitch(pardon my french)
bye bye DRE
Why do you have a '303' number Guru?
To love the Broncos is to suffer. To avoid suffering one must not love. But then one suffers from not loving. Therefore, to love is to suffer; not to love is to suffer; to suffer is to suffer. To be happy is to love. To be happy, then, is to suffer, but suffering makes one unhappy. Therefore, to be unhappy, one must love or love to suffer or suffer from too much happiness.
Cleveland
And can I call you, Guru? Just to talk. lol.
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
Wait, 303 is Denver.
Hmmm… I get a sense that Guru isn’t who we think he is….
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
Guru created the number
specifically to be able to reach out to Denver area ‘camps.’
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 6:36 PM MST up reply actions
It is most Remote Call Fowarding Number
As soon as somebody calls it it rings at some phone that Guru wants, most likely a cell phone or home phone. It works like an 800#. I should know I work for AT&T
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 1, 2009 8:35 PM MST up reply actions
That's awesome...
I’m picturing a red phone in a dark room.
"Talking tough is easy when it's other people's evil and you're judging what they do or don't believe. It seems to me you'd have to have a hole you're own to point a finger at somebody else's sheet" -- Mike Cooley
let's see how long he takes first
i think all the questioning of Cutler’s maturity is warranted.
but give this a week or so. wait and see how long he goes until talking to them.
keep in mind, this team was shocked with the firing of shannahan, than they hire an extremely young coach, who immediately whacks jay cutlers closest link to the coaching staff.
then jay is interrupted from whatever he was doing to find out that if the chiefs had waited a day, he would have been traded……after everyone in the organization told him how much they wanted him around.
i dont blame jay for taking some time before talking to the coaches. how much time he takes is what would determine, for me anyways what kind of negative opinions i will have of cutler.
it’s also worth remembering that maybe if they have a meeting tommorrow, things are done and said that can’t be taken back. cooling off for a bit, isnt a horrible thing
Nice thoughts
I am not sure I agree 100%. I think an initial sit-down is needed, if nothing else for the correct information to be given to Jay. All Jay would have to do is listen, then leave and digest it. Then understand there was no malice involved and that he got played by the MSM,
"I don't play for the coaches"
WTF?
This guy is a prima donna. Jay, I have turned on you. I’m not about to burn my jersey or anything, but I wouldn’t mind AT ALL if we traded him right now. Jay, grow the f*** up.
Here’s who is available: Kurt Warner, Rex Grossman, Jason Campbell. So not a lot. We could trade for Leinart, Vince Young, Donovan McNabb… Yeah, trade Jay to the Lions and let him suck there. Get picks 1, 20, and a 3rd rounder. Trade the 3rd rounder for Donovan McNabb, and get Matt Stafford with the #1 overall.
I am 2 inches from being done with his BS.
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
Here's the question
Did the Bronco brass clear this meeting with Cutler in advance? Or did they just announce it, assuming Jay Boy would trot on in?
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
How about an EMERGENCY MHR RADIO????
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
Again why are you mad at Jay
Jay speaks his mind and let’s rip him, Jay doesn’t come out and say it in the press let’s rip him, Jay is kissing McD ass he needs to grow up. Look, he is the QB of the Broncos and with the money also comes the pressure of living up to the whole Elway mystic and our own beliefs in how he should act.
Why don’t you put yourself in his shoes for once, you have been working your ass off for three years and getting beat up by the media and fans, unlike your predessor, you have not lashed out at the fans or community for putting too much pressure and you are making a concerted effort to be a piller in the community. The organization rips the rug out from under you and fires your coach without warning, then you lose your mentor and best friend on the team, now it comes time for free agency and they decide to replace one of the best WR on the team, and also want to trade you, why would you want to come in and play nice with a new coach that has not shown you any respect.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
I don't mind Jay speaking his mind or not saying anything.
What I DO have a problem with is that he has no intention of resolving this, and is casting off attempts by his employers to resolve the situation. He’s sitting around and whining and being a petulant emo douche. And like ThunderBringer says below, he runs off to the press before he talks to his coaches! WTF? If you did that at your job, they would fire you without thinking about it. He is turning into Ryan Leaf Part II.
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
Is he running off to the press or is he answering the questions
You want to bash him for giving an honest answer to someone asking it, that’s being a prima dona?
You need to accept that Jay is who he is, what has he done to earn this hatred, is he out partying, is he slapping women around, fighting dogs, guess what, every QB has an ego, that’s part of the position, you don’t think Warner or Manning have the same egos?
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
I have no hatred.....you cant hate someone you dont know....
I just think he had reasopns to be upset, but he has handled it so unprofessionally and now is being a putz to boot.
Its very Ryan Leaf like, and I would expect more from a guy that is suppose to be a “Franchise QB”.
I really would like to get some other info though, and thats frustrating as well.
you raise some vaild point though B Man!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
I see a lot of hatred here
“He’s a Wuss a prima dona, trade his ass, he’s just a player.”
How can you comapre him to Ryan Leaf, Leaf never did anything on the field and would freak out with reporters, Jay just answers the questions, don’t get made that he is actually telling the truth and not trying to spin the situation. I just don’t see what Jay has done to warrent people’s animosity here.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Dude, I am upset....and I wish he would take some steps to sort this situation out...is that fair?
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
unfortunatly
the truth is not always savvy, and not always exactly what the players need to give. no comment? sure. blow smoke? meh. throw others under the bus like a 13 year old girl? no way jose.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 7:04 PM MST up reply actions
I hope this post wasn't directed at me
I am severely pissed at McDaniels coming here flipping our worlds upside down and attempting to turn our team into a fake Rolex version of the Patriots. I am merely pointing out the obvious communication barriers that are prevalent here.
by ThunderBringer on Mar 1, 2009 6:48 PM MST up reply actions
No, not directed at you
I just get tired of the notion that somehow Jay Cutler needs to be some robot with no feelings or ego and should shut up and let a rookie HC run all over him, I want someone who is passionate, who wants to be here and wants to lay it on the line becaause he knows his team will back him up, I would feel extremely betrayed right now if I was Jay and I can’t fault him for answering a question honestly.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Then maybe he should leave then...that might be best for everyone. Its clear he does not wish to communicate directly with the team.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Would you want to communicate directly with the team right now?
Just put yourself in his shoes.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
if it was my job that was my living and i was an adult
and the fanbase my career depends on was screaming for something anything,
i would stop being a child and get over it.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 7:06 PM MST up reply actions
Broncoman, I appreciate your defense of Jay
and basically, I’m aghast at how everyone’s handled this situation. Talk about something we didn’t need.
But in all honesty, the onus is on Jay now to step up and prove himself as a mature, competent, reasonable adult that the Broncos want to build their future around. Sometimes, it means taking a shot and taking the first step, as hard and as painful as that is. He has every right to be upset, but this is just a bad way to go about resolving a situation. He’s said he wants to be a Bronco and loves the team, so let him prove it. And he hasn’t done that, and doesn’t seem open to do it. As papi and boydy have said, it doesn’t reek of righteous anger, it reeks of petulance.
And I say this sadly, I love Jay, and this situation is keeping me up when I should be in bed.
Aue tehan-deoes shaj do’ ai poyene slueden!
Silverblood
You’re a very rational girl. I agree with everything you’ve said here. I’m sorry for being so brash earlier, but I’m just disappointed with how he handled this. Hopefully he’ll smooth it all over tomorrow and we can forget about all this mess.
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
wait a minute...
is ‘rational girl’ an oxymor…. uhhhhh…..nevermind. ;-)
To love the Broncos is to suffer. To avoid suffering one must not love. But then one suffers from not loving. Therefore, to love is to suffer; not to love is to suffer; to suffer is to suffer. To be happy is to love. To be happy, then, is to suffer, but suffering makes one unhappy. Therefore, to be unhappy, one must love or love to suffer or suffer from too much happiness.
but I’m just disappointed with how he handled this
How has he handled this? It’s pretty damn obvious that the announced meeting wasn’t cleared with Cutler before the announcement. Were they summoning him like a ????
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
uhhh....
employee?
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
Yep...a slave that gets $10000000 for his trouble.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Then...
…don’t treat him like a slave. Clear the meeting in advance, before you announce it to the media. It’s obvious that they didn’t clear any meeting with Jay in advance. Who are these creeps? And why are you defending them?
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
Where does it say anything about clearing a meeting with him?
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
They announced a meeting.
Jay said no thanks. If they’d cleared it with him beforehand, I assume he’d have been there. How hard is that to understand?
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
This is going nowhere....we both support the Broncos and have differing opinions. Thanks for your passion.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
So you think that the Broncos announce a meeting with out talking to Jay or at least his reps first? Really....come on.......no one in the business world would do that.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
The alternative belief..
…is that Cutler agreed to the meeting and then said No, I ain’t going. Which do you choose to believe?
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
Not saying that either...
But it is very possible the agent said he would be there and then cutler nixed it. That would be the most probable scenario
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
I think everybody's forgetting
that it’s the offseason. If I’m at work and my supervisor says, I’d like to see you in my office," I’m gonna go. But if he calls me at home and wants to talk I might do it, because it’s hard economic times, but I’ll feel he’s out of line. If they announced a meeting without clearing it with Jay, that continues the pattern of noncommunication that got them into this mess in the first place. Yes, he’s an employee, but he’s not “at work” right now so is not reasonably subject to being summoned by the boss.
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Your Logic strong
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
not only is he not at work
he isn’t even in Denver.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:07 PM MST up reply actions
Hard then..
…to make a meeting you didn’t know about.
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
Last I heard...
He was traveling in Europe.
To love the Broncos is to suffer. To avoid suffering one must not love. But then one suffers from not loving. Therefore, to love is to suffer; not to love is to suffer; to suffer is to suffer. To be happy is to love. To be happy, then, is to suffer, but suffering makes one unhappy. Therefore, to be unhappy, one must love or love to suffer or suffer from too much happiness.
If Jay stops by Oxford
I’ll give him a hug, smack him twice upside the head, give him another hug, then tell him to head to Denver, post haste.
Aue tehan-deoes shaj do’ ai poyene slueden!
If my work announced a meeting...
and I decided not to come, I would be fired. He should be fined if he wont show up to the meeting. I know that this wont help the situation, but he needs to learn that he’s not more important than the team.
And if Jay..
…didn’t show up for a QB meeting, he’d be fined or fired too. This announced meeting is not like that.
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
I agree with that...
I just cant believe that someone from Cutler’s team was not notified and then accepted.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Thanks. I second the sentiment back at you --
I’m always impressed by your posts and your passion. I don’t blame anyone for being upset over this very unfortunate situation, but wow… I join you in praying this all gets quickly forgotten. If the meeting takes place sooner or later, and Jay steps up and accepts responsibility (along with McD) then I hope they’ll be forgiven and we’re able to improve the Denver Broncos. That’s what truly needs to happen here.
Aue tehan-deoes shaj do’ ai poyene slueden!
and that is the point.
a prima donna makes his big choices based on how he feels at the moment. he FEELS snubbed. PD gets them back.
how annoyingly immature.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 7:08 PM MST up reply actions
Honestly...yes I would. I would want to get it resolved, especially if i was a self confessed team guy as Jay calls himself. he is basically driving a wedge in the organziation and making people choose. very uncool and immature.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Let's put it this way
You have been working for an organization for 3 years and busting your butt, you are now the head sales guy and they fire your manager and replace him with a kid who has never been a manager and is only slighlty older than you, they get rid of your other mentor and then come to find out your new manager wants to hire his buddy from his old company to replace you but couldn’t make a deal, would you want to come in and kiss his ass and have any faith in the organization?
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
why do you
assume the purpose was for Jay to kiss their ass? what if it was the other way around?
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 7:14 PM MST up reply actions
Well seems like everyone's sentiment here is that Jay
should just be cool with the situation and try to save face with the organization
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Anyone who listened to the show last night...
Knows I am not mad at Jay. I am getting annoyed at the situation. I am getting annoyed at the “source close to the Broncos”. I am getting annoyed with the spoon fed – targeted information we are getting.
Let’s get to a resolution and MOVE ON!
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Well, with McD on board would you expect anything else
It’s not like the Pats were known as a very forthright team when it comes with dealing with the press, again why are you frustrated with Jay, as near as I can tell, he has answered the questions asked of him in a truthful manner, something McD and the Broncos don’t appear to be capable of.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
According to people I have spoken to...
Things in “the building” are alot better, alot more open with McD than they were under Shanny. I was very surprised to hear that because I thought the same thing.
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Maybe now we are seeing
Why Shanny didn’t keep things “open”
by ThunderBringer on Mar 1, 2009 7:25 PM MST up reply actions
True...
Perhaps McDaniels should read a little Machiavelli.
To love the Broncos is to suffer. To avoid suffering one must not love. But then one suffers from not loving. Therefore, to love is to suffer; not to love is to suffer; to suffer is to suffer. To be happy is to love. To be happy, then, is to suffer, but suffering makes one unhappy. Therefore, to be unhappy, one must love or love to suffer or suffer from too much happiness.
Interesting, however some things shouldn't be open to everyone.
2007-08 MVP: Kobe Bryant
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
Because he is a wuss that cant be a man.....you can be as loyal to Jay as you want but I dont want him....what a conceited dude. He has done nothing but show potential...which he hs heaps, but he has a losing record as a starter.
Jay, you are not a HOF QB….you are a HOF Jackass at the moment.
Get a grip, suck it up and prove us all wrong and show us what many of us thought you could be. AT the moment ypou are losing fans by the boat load!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Boydy, it is a team sport
Did Jay have a role in the losses, yes, but put Jay on a team like the Steelers with a defense and guess what, I am betting he would be getting a lot of HOF talk right now. The fact is he doesn’t tackle or stop people on the other side of the ball.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Bronco man....I am not calling Big Ben a HOF either....and guess what....Big Ben is not acting like this either.
Jay needs to look at the example of Kurt Warner. he leads his team to the Super Bowl and is basically being spurned by them. Do you see him going on like this?
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Pittsburgh didn't try to trade Ben either
Kurt Warner acted like a prima dona his whole career, come on, why isn’t he starting for the Giants or on the Giants, he didn’t want to be a backup.
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Maybe he's angling for a job doing play-by-play with Vic?
Seriously, Jay. I hope you’re just spending a few days to cool your jets. But let’s get this behind us.
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by broncosmontana on Mar 1, 2009 8:21 PM MST up reply actions
And for those who claim he isn't Manning
Peyton Manning got Jim Mora canned also, minus any crediability other than his talent.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
oh c'mon...
everyone stop jumping down Cutler’s throat based on a few ‘select’ quotes from CBS4.
what I’ve heard so far is that he wants to be a Bronco, never demanded a trade, and expects to play next with the Broncos next year.
who know if this quote is recent or complete.
To love the Broncos is to suffer. To avoid suffering one must not love. But then one suffers from not loving. Therefore, to love is to suffer; not to love is to suffer; to suffer is to suffer. To be happy is to love. To be happy, then, is to suffer, but suffering makes one unhappy. Therefore, to be unhappy, one must love or love to suffer or suffer from too much happiness.
OK...thats fair Nutbag.....but this is the most heated I have been.
I love the kids talents, but I am not real impressed with his thinking, and my gut is that Bus Cook is in his ear on this thing.
I agree, we need to all calm down….me especially.
Sorry crew!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Thanks Bradley....would be great to be perfect like you.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Get a grip
You’ve been way too critical of Cutler. Offensively so, IMO.
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
+1
I have been very emotional since I heard this news yesterday at 2pm mountain.
by ThunderBringer on Mar 1, 2009 6:56 PM MST up reply actions
The problem is that McD and co. run on their own schedule...
Cutler wasn’t important to them yesterday, he wasn’t important this morning, so why should he jump when they ask? They should have been upfront with him about things instead of him getting media blitzed. I think they need to let Cutler make at least the decision of where and when to talk, I’m sure he would have preferred yesterday before the KC deal went through. I’m just saying. He isn’t Manning yet but he’s the best QB that will still be throwing the ball in ten years so I’m tired of hearing that, Guru just put Rivers above him, for shame.
P|L|H
Very good point
I think I’d have a chip on my shoulder too. Although I don’t have a multi-million dollar contract with these guys either
by ThunderBringer on Mar 1, 2009 6:52 PM MST up reply actions
If the sky is falling
The fallout wont be as bad if it’s apparant that Jay refused to reason. (i.e. guys like Scheffler and Wiegman won’t be as disgruntled)
dont really know what to think
and thats the problem. its all piecemeal, off-season, football starved rumor mill espn has nothing to talk about garbage chatter.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 6:55 PM MST reply actions
really
need something good to speculate and talk about. this is crap.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 6:56 PM MST up reply actions
so
why would Jay not meet with them? this isnt jr. high kids not sitting next to the kid who beat them in four square.
it is adults in professional sports. now Jay is the one who looks either full of crap or like a 13 year old girl. come on.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 7:01 PM MST reply actions
Yep
Did he agree to the meeting or was he just summoned, like a servant?
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
or...
an employee?
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 7:12 PM MST up reply actions
whos in charge?
coach? star player?
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 7:13 PM MST up reply actions
It's the offseason
Jay’s not at work. His employer has no right to “summon” him at the moment, although they might like to contact him (before announcing it to the press) and ask if he’d be willing to take some of his to talk this out.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
ok.
and in his position, i would act as a professional should, and talk with the people inside of my organisation BEFORE i spout off to the bloodlust media .
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 7:12 PM MST up reply actions
That what any normal person would do...be star athlete or not!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
If my job was in jeopardy
and my boss was willing to sort it all out with me, I would jump at the chance. Not be a douche.
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
What if you new your boss had activly tried to replace you?
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
i would want to sit down with him
and find out why????!?!?!?!
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
i think this exact reaction
is why they shopped him. hopefully jay realizes how immature he is being and he rubs all the sand out of his vagina
Really, cause Elway had the same reaction when Reeves tried to trade him
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Elway had also led his team
to 3 Superbowls pretty much all by himself by the time he and Reeves had their falling out. Jay’s nowhere in the same ballpark as Elway was in 1992.
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
not pout and give him the silent treatment.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
Who said
that they actively tried to replace him. Was it Vince what’s his name? Adam Schefter said (if you watch the video that is on www.nfl.com) that the Broncos were contacted by the Bucs and the Lions and that the Broncos did not give any serious consideration to the trade. Schefter seems to be the most reliable source so far and I will deem that true until further notice.
Williamson, Vince, and Charles Robinson all have the Broncos making the calls
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
I do generally agree with Schefter and think he is reliable
But even if TB called, why entertain the offer to begin with, they could of easily said TB called us and we told them there is no way we are trading Cutler, story would of been dead and over at that point.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
I agree
That’s what they should have done but being inexperienced they didn’t. That is where I fault them, not to mention with how they have dealt with it since. It is my understanding that Schefter is by far the most reliable source among those four. Who knows who is right. It is of my opinion that if the Broncos wanted to trade Jay then they would have. There was nothing stopping them if they were “actively” shopping him around.
and if TB was offering
1st and 2nd this year and next and a #1 in 2011, would you at least entertain the idea for a few mins?
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
I think it's time
for Pat to invite them both over for a few beers and explain the lines of power in the Bronco organization. If they can’t or won’t work things out between them – and that’s one of the things they’re being paid to do – then they’re obviously incapable of doing the job HE hired them to do. It makes no difference what mistakes were made and by whom. That’s how we learn. Get past them and recommit to the job and team unity or you’re gone.
why the attack?
dissagree? please. makes it interesting. make your point.
personal insults make you look unintelligent. not saying you are. just saying it mutes your point. which is?
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 7:20 PM MST up reply actions
I agree, no need for attacks
You don’t have to agree wth the opinion, but attacking the person does little to further the cause.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Relax mate.....it was a hyp[othetical.....sheez!!!!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Ballsy move putting your digits up there Guru.
Get any prank calls yet?
Also, my thoughts on the situation boil down to 
.
It is a critical moment
for this team.
really now, think about it.
rookie coach, people already question his ability to lead guys who are his own age. and now the time comes when he has to make one of those hard decisions. find the best qb to meet the goal of being a winning team. in oredr to do that, you might hurt feelings, but it is what is best for the team. this requires those whose feelings might get hurt to step back and CHOOSE to respect the coach. it is always about buying in. the best coach in the world is useless (uhhh shanahan? ) if the team doesnt buy into the brilliant gameplan.
either Jay gets his head out of his rear and buys in, or this ship goes nowhere. maybe McD saw this already, and that made him more ready to consider grabbing a guy whos work ethic and attitiude he knows.
hmmm
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 7:19 PM MST reply actions
Agreed!
A 35-year old, 7-time pro bowler was so motivated by the guy that he left Philadelphia to come be the focal point of the 29th-ranked defense of 2008, but Jay Cutler (who has a 17-20 career winning percentage) can’t get over his ego and buy into the coach’s philosophy.
P.S. I still don’t believe the Broncos SHOPPED Cutler. I believe other teams called, they discussed…for thirty seconds…and politely said no way.
Thats my take too Adam.....if they wanted to get rid of Cutler they could have had 10 more teams interested.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
As I fear we'll find out, you could get some great offers for the guy with competition in the market
Exactly....and thats why none of the "Broncos initiated trades" makes no sense. You have a product like Jay Cutler you let the whole league know!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
That is all very likely.
And probably the answer is a mix — some teams inquired about Cutler, the Broncos listened to offers. But it does seem possible/likely that McD mounted at least some kind of effort to bring Cassel to Denver. Whether that was justified has to do with the whole ugly Pandora’s box we’ve been opening here….and if true, Cutler has every reason to be upset. But his reaction, as we’ve mostly agreed, has now gone over the top…
Augh. I need to be asleep.
Aue tehan-deoes shaj do’ ai poyene slueden!
Excuse me.
Cutler’s reaction has been very reasonable.
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
Totally and I really HOPE this gets settled soon and everybody is fine.
2007-08 MVP: Kobe Bryant
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
To a point, yes.
And I’m still mainly on his side in this one. But he does need to show his willingness to communicate with the team — yes, they’ve blown it multiple times. But here’s his chance to show himself a bigger person than what he’s come across as. If he wants some time to cool off, I support him. But if he’s just putting it off because he wants to hold a grudge, not so cool.
See… this is why we need more facts… Sigh.
Aue tehan-deoes shaj do’ ai poyene slueden!
I think we need to ALLOW him time to cool down
If it was me I’d stew for awhile before I was ready to talk, especially if they just assumed I’d do it when they were ready. Problem is, he’s in the eye of a media storm and we all want him to instantly cool down and make nice.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
And I will give him creit if he is stepping away to re center himself....that shows maturity and the ability to settle things down.
He will deserve kudos for that
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
And from their side
they are in the middle of trying to stay competitive during free agency. As much as it would help us as fans to have this settled now, and as much as it seems like it would be nice not to have it malingering about our free-agency moves, both sides have some very real restraints to immediate resolution.
Of course there is always phones… :)
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:28 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with that too Styg...
Dr X and Jedi need to think of the whole team, not just Jay at this stage.
They need to give him a team that he can win with. thats starts with a great FA period, of wehihc they are doing a great job
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
In a perfect world...
…we would all be privy to the discussions and know exactly what went down. Unfortunately…
OK,my qestion is if he is an offensive guru why would you ever think Cassel is a better long term prospect than Cutler
Cassel couldn’t even beat out Leinart at USC
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
well,
he is the head coach. his opinion of a professional football player might be more informed than mine. i see field play, and occasional interviews.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 8:18 PM MST up reply actions
I am a USC fan...
And ANYONE that thinks Cassel has more upside than Cutler is frickin nuts
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
I was just about to change my sig...
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass, Jay.
I think you deal him, now. Obviously Jay has a petulant demeanor that isn’t going to sit well with McD and Co. McD isn’t even a decade older than Jay. Cutler needs to get his shit straight. When you make some of the mistakes and comments he has, you better be able to back it up. To me, he isn’t going to be here in 2 years anyway. He is going to leave so might as well start aknew now.
Cutler to Detroit for a pack of draft picks. 2 LB’s and a DT taken with first 3 picks. If you secure the one, maybe deal it to someone. Tons of options now.
I will take Jeff Garcia or Warner. as my qb.
I could live with Garcia or Warner if Cushing and Rey Rey are on D with DWard in the backfield.
Oh Please
To everyone who is calling Jay a crybaby or whatever:
Put yourself in his shoes. He has to find out THROUGH THE MEDIA that his job and life were going to change immeasurably. Not only that, but the organization that he’s busted his ass for over the last three years thinks that he’s no better than a QB that hadn’t until last year started a game since high school. Then, less than 24 hours later, the organization beckons him from vacation to come talk. He’s probably understandably a little POed, and do you think that maybe, just maybe he wants to get a chance to cool off so that he doesn’t do or say anything that he regrets.
Also, perhaps “I won’t be meeting with them in the near future” means, “water under the bridge. I don’t see any point in prolonging this story.”
He would have gone to the meeting then...
I love to be an optimist, but either way, this ends ugly. You are losing your qb either way except one ends up with compensation.
He could be resentful to McD.
Until he comes out and says he met with the team and he wants to be a Bronco for life and McD does the same and they are all hunkey dorey, I’ll be skeptical.
I could live with Garcia or Warner if Cushing and Rey Rey are on D with DWard in the backfield.
by broncodude793 on Mar 1, 2009 7:24 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
Esecially since every time Jay actually tells how he is thinking and is honest, everyone wants to screw the guy over.
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What color and sizes? How much for one of each (Got to hedge your bets!)
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Bellichick pulls the strings, Denver dances
Can there be any doubt that the evil hoodie did whatever it took to leak this? I’m just surprised McD didn’t see it coming. Now it’s a media firestorm with all th emomentum of a burning building. All we can do is step back and hope Jay and his hambone agent don’t force something drastic.
And not for nothing, but in the past, I thought Shanny’s coddling of Jay amounted to the terrible advice to take lots of risks and not check down. Now I’m thinking the guy’s head is way, way too big.
+1
Cutler, keep in mind, is Shanny’s qb. Wisenhunt came in said Leinart wasn’t cutting it and now he’s on the bench. VY is on the bench.
I could live with Garcia or Warner if Cushing and Rey Rey are on D with DWard in the backfield.
by broncodude793 on Mar 1, 2009 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
I wasn't going to mention it
but according to the Boston media it was a Boston newspaper that broke the story first. Makes me wonder if it wasn’t Belichick who was the source.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
It also wouldn't be surprising if
he thought of it as a fond “noogie” for his protege, rather than the storm it has become. Regardless, i don’t doubt for one second that he is chuckling about all of this…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:32 PM MST up reply actions
And Shanahan is rolling on the ground laughing hysterically.
To love the Broncos is to suffer. To avoid suffering one must not love. But then one suffers from not loving. Therefore, to love is to suffer; not to love is to suffer; to suffer is to suffer. To be happy is to love. To be happy, then, is to suffer, but suffering makes one unhappy. Therefore, to be unhappy, one must love or love to suffer or suffer from too much happiness.
I HAVE THE SAME QUETIONS AS ALL OF YOU!!
That’s why I put my digits up there. I want to get the story RIGHT FROM THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY INVOLVED. No more CBS4, no more Adam Schefter, No More Williamson.
Let’s find out the real deal. So I can answer all of your(our) questions!
-TSG
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Again TSG, look at where our new HC learned to deal with the media
My guess is that actual truthful resposnses from Dove Valley will not be coming out soon.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
True.
It makes sense that they are going to be secretive. Obviously, Cutler is resentful and McD is making things worse. Now, you have a ticked off qb from a past regime who wants out, but is being nice about it.
I could live with Garcia or Warner if Cushing and Rey Rey are on D with DWard in the backfield.
by broncodude793 on Mar 1, 2009 7:30 PM MST up reply actions
you say
Obviously, Cutler is resentful and McD is making things worse
umm, thats the problem, nothing is obvious. it is all ambiguous.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 8:21 PM MST up reply actions
Like I said earlier, guys at the Broncos say it is better now than with Shanny…I’m just sayin’
-TSG
SBNation's Denver Broncos Blogger
MileHighReport
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Which guys at the Broncos?
Are you talking to coaches? Players? Janitors? Prank callers?
I appreciate you doing this. Hopefully this is the turning point where you get the info directly and we don’t have to sit around getting spoon fed the BSM’s BS.
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
You can choose to believe me...
or not…
-TSG
SBNation's Denver Broncos Blogger
MileHighReport
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I choose to believe.
I see the light!
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
wtf
is that in your sig…??
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:14 PM MST up reply actions
both of you?
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:14 PM MST up reply actions
Mine?
It’s something you don’t want to say if you wander into one of the worlds my head lives in.
Aue tehan-deoes shaj do’ ai poyene slueden!
It appears to be in another language...
Is it Klingon?
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
Nope.
It’s from the language I’m currently working on inventing. Grammar, syntax, verb conjugation and modification, the whole nine yards. Yep, that’s the kind of thing I do as a hobby. Sadly.
Aue tehan-deoes shaj do’ ai poyene slueden!
Ahh
descendant of Tolkien no doubt. Gives a whole new meaning to “a way with words…”
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:19 PM MST up reply actions
Descendent of Tolkein
I’m about halfway through Return of the King right now (the movie- I don’t have time to read non-school books during the school year). But I’m not a nerd!!
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
Wow...and I thought linguistics at uni was hard.....
Good luck with that!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
I've been studying the psychology of language
and I’m a creative writer, so the two got mixed up along the way.
Aue tehan-deoes shaj do’ ai poyene slueden!
I'm doing the same thing.
For a book I was going to write once, I was working on an alphabet with one letter for each sound, foreign ones included. I’m currently at 127 letters. I reached a speed bump when I discovered Swahili… How are you supposed to make letters for that? lol
Here’s an excerpt: Ita ath hvedn uruk cveskn hardr un’rioth. What does it mean? You have to figure oout for yourself :)
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
I admit to having no clue what that means
but it sounds as if we have a great deal in common. Hell, I have a Cutler jersey too.
Aue tehan-deoes shaj do’ ai poyene slueden!
Yours is prettier than mine.
And I’m not sure what to do about this Cutler jersey… After this whole fiasco I’m not sure what to think of him. Plus, with this whole switch to orange, I might have to end up getting a Clady.
I have to ask, you must be the only person in England with a Bronco jersey. Do you get funny looks when you wear it? Probably not the same kinds of looks I get here in KC, but looks nonetheless.
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
They do kind of give me
the “oh-you-must-be-American” looks. Either that or they just look confused.
Aue tehan-deoes shaj do’ ai poyene slueden!
Flight of the Conchords baby.
The Hiphopopotomous Versus the Rhymenocerous. Look it up on YouTube.
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
Flight of the Conchords
is hi-larious.
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
sorry for using the "Cutler past tense"
love those dudes!!!!
Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.
John C. Calhoun --
I think it is obvious
that you are moving on…
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:32 PM MST up reply actions
... my rhymes are bottomless...............
I freakin LOVE those guys!
"You can't make the club if you're in the tub." -- Rod Smith
by broncosmontana on Mar 1, 2009 9:11 PM MST up reply actions
what about this one... love it
I can tell that you
are the most beautiful girl in the… room
(in the whole wide room)
And when you’re on the street
dependin on the street
I bet you are definitely in the top three
good lookin’ girls on the street
(dependin’ on the street)
Darren Bennett... check
Ben Graham... check
Sav Rocca... check
Now if only we can find an Australian who can run and tackle in the NFL and show these Yanks what we're made of.
by orange&blue_aussie on Mar 1, 2009 9:15 PM MST up reply actions
Ward
This is a very passionate issue. Discussion is healthy…but we need to take a breath and let a few more details surface. I see mistakes on both sides…but if its getting us this fired up then how are McD and Jay feeling.
So…any work on Ward? I assume we didn’t sign him.
I know alot of times
I am on par with the players and coaches when it comes to emotions on gameday!
by ThunderBringer on Mar 1, 2009 7:40 PM MST up reply actions
I heard he has an interview in Tampa on Tues
so my guess is he wants too much $$$.
"You can't make the club if you're in the tub." -- Rod Smith
by broncosmontana on Mar 1, 2009 9:12 PM MST up reply actions
I've felt so good about all the other free agency moves
(except the LS swap) it’s just so bittersweet
Thinking about why Cutler said he won't meet with the Broncos I had a vision of the movie 'The Doors"
Perhaps Cutler is wandering through the desert tripping on Peyote and dancing naked with imaginary Indians.
I wouldn’t want to see my boss like that either.
To love the Broncos is to suffer. To avoid suffering one must not love. But then one suffers from not loving. Therefore, to love is to suffer; not to love is to suffer; to suffer is to suffer. To be happy is to love. To be happy, then, is to suffer, but suffering makes one unhappy. Therefore, to be unhappy, one must love or love to suffer or suffer from too much happiness.
No way,
peyote screws with your blood sugar
by ThunderBringer on Mar 1, 2009 7:41 PM MST up reply actions
ahhhh...good point.
It must be LSD.
To love the Broncos is to suffer. To avoid suffering one must not love. But then one suffers from not loving. Therefore, to love is to suffer; not to love is to suffer; to suffer is to suffer. To be happy is to love. To be happy, then, is to suffer, but suffering makes one unhappy. Therefore, to be unhappy, one must love or love to suffer or suffer from too much happiness.
Exactly....and nots like he can just dump his native American friend off at the bus stop....especially in a loin cloth!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Regardless of what has happend up to this point,
Jay and the Broncos need to sit down and talk this out. Set up a meeting and don’t cancel it. I mean if I were him and I heard trade rumors about me ( even if there was no trade ) I would want to know why and clear the air. Sometimes people have to put their pride aside. I hope the talks aren’t on hold for too long.
2007-08 MVP: Kobe Bryant
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
Cutler needs to suck it up
Football is a business, they listened to trade talks, and they didn’t trade you. Fucking grow a pair, and get over it. I think Cutler is an excellent quarterback and has all the tools and potential to be a franchise player for years to come, but he cannot act like a spoiled 12 year old girl every time something happens that might hint at the team not have 100 percent unshakeable confidence in him.
Jay is just pissed and wants McD and X man to sweat it
It is like when your wife throws you out or on the couch for a night or two
Perhaps he is taking a break
so he doesn’t say something he will regret.
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
His family lives with him
I would hope they are helping him gain perspective, and maybe a little more time is just what he wants. But from the sounds of things, Cutler would rather have training camp starting right now, so that it was behind him. He is definitley feeling hurt by this.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:04 PM MST up reply actions
You never know....maybe that is it. the family has taken him aside and we are all (me especially) reading too much into the situation.
Wyoeng…you are a voice of reason with Silverblood.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Thanks boydy.
Just doing my best to try to keep an overall perspective. I appreciate your passion for the Broncs, and your willingness to admit mistakes.
Aue tehan-deoes shaj do’ ai poyene slueden!
No worries....I can be a hot head but am happy to admit when I am wrong....when you are around kids all the time for a job it keeps you centered.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Oddly enough
this situation has been rough for me too.
But it’s more like I took in a foriegn exchange student, and now he’s trying to replace my wife with a toothless stripper from a decent strip joint back in his home country.
by ThunderBringer on Mar 1, 2009 8:00 PM MST up reply actions
League sources remain "convinced" that Torry Holt and Orlando Pace are on the trade block, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
………………………
u thnking what im thinking? jk
I was thinking the same thing Cali....I just read that on rotoworld!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Hey crew, before we all kill each other...
Brazil just posted an article about 2 players and another friend who are missing off the coast of Florida.
Before we get too concerned about all this jay Cutler business, lets spare a thought for them and their friends and family and wish for their safe return.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
A Fanpost was done on this
2 NFL players among boaters missing off Fla. coast
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
Marquis Cooper LB from Oakland and Corey Smith from Detroit.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
ohhhhhhhhh shit, from schefter
But Cutler’s agent, James "Bus" Cook, called Sunday night to say that his client isn’t in Denver, has no immediate plans to be in Denver and doesn’t know the next time he’ll be in Denver.
On top of that, there was and is no meeting scheduled between Cutler and the Broncos.
"At some point in the future, I’d imagine there probably will be a meeting," Cook said. "But right now, there’s absolutely nothing scheduled. There’s nothing to (the speculation)."
Meanwhile, Broncos sources have maintained just as adamantly that Cutler isn’t on the trading block and will not be dealt.
So there is plenty to talk about it regarding Cutler and the Broncos. But for the time being, those talks aren’t occurring between the two sides.
Looks like meltdown in Dove Valley has begun
I am guessing something major wil have to happen, McD gets axed (oh please or please) or Jay gets traded and we can become celler dwellers in the AFC West for the next five years.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
This is what Guru was talking about
filtered info.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:06 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly what I was talking about
There’s nothing to the speculation. Perhaps Jay is being a lot more mature than people realize by just letting water go under the bridge.
Also, as a part-time conspiracy theorist, what if McXanders asked Jay if they could leak this so that everybody else on the roster realizes that no one is above critique/examination and also to let FAs know that no positions are penciled in yet.
I like both you comments...
Being a conspiracy theorist myself!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
agreed
good way to send a message. keep em honest. now they know who’s in charge.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 8:27 PM MST up reply actions
Realy?
I mean…..
This is the point where we need to wait until the facts come out. No disrespect but that is ridiculous. I think there are a few more things the FO is worried about. If conspiracy is your thing I am not going to stop you and honestly right now I could use the laughs but the more we talk about what the evil mini-hoodie and the not so cool headed quarterback the more ridiculous the speculation. Again I mean no disrespect.
by FCbroncomaniac on Mar 1, 2009 9:28 PM MST up reply actions
OK...well at least thats some information....
As someone suggested, if Cutler is not here, then maybe Xanders of McD should get on a plane and get this sorted.
Cant have a meeting (face to face) if not in Denver.
Maybe they should at least use the telephone as a first option.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
I don't think this sounds so bad
The confirmed facts in this mess are so, so few. We’ve all seen the way these news stories get built. People repackage the material of others, and pretty soon speculation and paraphrasing has become accepted as the historical record. Lik the conventional wisdom thatt Al Gore claimed to have “invented” the internet, even though he never said so, and never used the word “invented” (to take one example). I just hope that cooler heads prevail and that Jay and his agent don’t do anything stupid while this blows over.
Let me ask a question here
For all the people saying Jay should grow up and other Jay bashers here, why are you defending McD. He is a rookie coach with no ties to Broncos, Jay has played his guts out for this organization for three years, with playing a whole season with undiagnozed Diabeites and never taking a game off, yet you all want to bend over backward and make excuses for a guy who was trained by one of the most insecure, bitter and cheating coaches in the league, why do you give him a pass and yet want to crucify Jay?
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
by Broncoman on Mar 1, 2009 8:02 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
well
the same reason i am a harsher critic of my family than mere acquaintances.
i know more about them, have a catalogue of prior incidences. this doesnt help his case, if he is trying to beat a rap of not being the most mature guy to the media. there is more to being a “franchise qb” than performing on the field.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 8:30 PM MST up reply actions
Phone call
If somebody already posted this I apologize—but I am wondering about all the Jay bashing. At the end of the phone interview on CBS 4’s website, Jay says “I hope I am back in Denver.” It sounds to me like the situation is salvagable. I don’t blame him for being pissed, and maybe some cooling off time is necessary.
And for everyone saying the Broncos need to apologize to Cutler—am I the only one who wishes it wasn’t too late to apologize to Mike?
When we hear directly from the players involved
things don’t sound nearly as bad as they do when we hear reports from unnamed sources, or secondhand, so take that for what it is worth.
And yeah, Shanny’s abrupt dismissal is still weighing on a lot of folks’ minds I think…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:17 PM MST up reply actions
MC D was hired to !
Coach this team and the # 1 priority was to fix the defense now ! what the hell does making deals for a QB have to do with fixing the Defense ? sorry I can not support this lying coach !
Never wanted him in the first place .
by broncosfaninphilly on Mar 1, 2009 8:26 PM MST up reply actions
he wasnt hired to fix the defense
it was a huge concern.
but the whole team needed to improve. that is from the horses mouth.
McD came in to get this team winning. if that means CONSIDERING bringing in a guy he thinks can buy into and execute his gameplan, it is part of his professional duty to pursue it.
i dont think this is being handled well from a pr standpoint though. yet.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 8:33 PM MST up reply actions
Thats a great point....
Nothing on denverbroncos.com. What the hell is Sacromano doing???
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
right or wrong
he is not overreacting. He does us all a favor by waiting until he has something solid to talk about, and right now it sounds like a much more intense version of the phone tag that got played back when McDaniels got hired. The two of them never really got ont he same page then either, because they were both working in different circles.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:37 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed.
I just think it is funny how everyone in here was in love with McD and Xanders up until yesterday and now they want they guys run out of town even though NO ONE really knows what happened.
I dont want them to go or Jay to go if it can be sorted out...
I dont think anyone does, but its the type of discussion where you have to choose sides almost.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
I disagree...
at least until we know the facts. Right now we have some facts interspersed with a ton of baloney that is so outlandish it is humorous.
I will give Xanders a pass since it seems there are reports he nixed the deal
But I am sorry, you don’t come into an organization as an offensive gur and then try to run the best player in the franchise out of the building within two months, that is just bad coaching and you have basically spit on everything that the Broncos have tried to build in the past four years, you want to make adjustments to the offense fine, fix the defense great, tear down the organization so you can have your guys, no thanks.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Maybe he wanted cassel as the back up. HAHAHA
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
I will say that McD wasn't my 1st or 2nd choice
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
We know who your first choice was!
;)
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:45 PM MST up reply actions
Was it that obvious?
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
I can still feel the chin's
steely gaze when responding to comments.
It was almost eerie…
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:47 PM MST up reply actions
I think a lot of people were going with the flow
but the reaction is a great indicator that many fans hadn’t completely bought in. The same thing is happening on the Cutler side, where some fans hadn’t quite gotten over the way he handled some comments last year, or other ‘issues’ he has had, including winning%, or whatever.
Both sides are still coming to terms with the other. Despite the relative peace of Bronconation as little as 24 hours ago, those questions still existed for part of the fan population, and this merely brings them out into the light of day. I wouldn’t be surprised if some are surprised by how they feel, or that this could upset them so much.
From my own point of view, I don’t think either side intends to do harm to the Broncos, and beyond that, everything else is just resolution.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:44 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed Styg....
My first gut was that i would not miss Jay one bit (just have to look at my rather raw comments) but now I have chilled a bit, I KNOW Jay can be one of the best, and I know we have got 2 really smart young guys to run our team that will do a great job.
Time brings perspective. There are going to be trials and tribulations, but i think , in the ned, it will make our team stronger.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
I wish we can fast foward this whole mess to opening day
by broncosfaninphilly on Mar 1, 2009 8:50 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah
I think dormant feelings were definitely there. I just think it is over reacting (just what they are accusing Cutler of doing) to go off the deep end and say McD and Xanders should be out of here when they don’t have all of the information.
I am OK with Shanny going...we would have no turmoil now, but we would not be improved either.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
I didn't have anyone specific in mind
but I had a hard time letting go, so I didn’t think I was alone in that regard. Can’t say I have enjoyed the last three years, but right up until the firing I was buckled in for the long haul.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 8:34 PM MST up reply actions
Well maybe that is true but I know we wouldn't have tried to trade our best player for someone who is essentially a backup.
Part of the problem as I see it is that we got rid of Shanahan because he had too much power over personnel decisions. It seems to me like McDaniels is doing the EXACT same thing, except he doesn’t have the pedigree.
by broncosfaninKC on Mar 1, 2009 8:36 PM MST up reply actions
Yep....but I trust Shefter that the trade was not initoiated by Denver so thats here say
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
On a funny note--
I did hear that MN offered us Tavaris Jackson, a second rounder, and chester taylor for Jay. Is that all the could offer? Did they give up the rights to Jeff George?
Apparently Jay Cutler has been worng out this off season
http://www.myspace.com/jaycutlerfanpage
Click n f you want a laugh
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Sorry been working out
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
B MAN i did not need to see that !
by broncosfaninphilly on Mar 1, 2009 8:29 PM MST up reply actions
Sorry, I just had to laugh when I searched for Jay Cutler on myspace and got that
Maybe we could trade that “Jay Cutler” although looks like he may be of some help on the D-line
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
How big is that dude...could he play Nose Tackle....we could have 2 Jay Cutlers!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
I'm not convinced
that he would pass the drug test
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
Well if Romo did it, I am sure the new Jay could
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
could we get him at league minimum
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
OK gang.
Thanks for the discussion and arguments. Hopefully everyone seems to have calmed down a bit. I’d stick around longer, but it’s 3:30 in the morning here and I’ve spent long enough hunched over a keyboard worrying myself to distraction about something I can’t do anything about. :) Off to bed with me. Look forward to more lively debate, and definitely hope when I wake up, something will have been done to provide clarity. Ya never know, maybe someone will have actually called Guru. We can always hope!
Go Broncos!
Aue tehan-deoes shaj do’ ai poyene slueden!
Laters girl and good luck over in the Old Country.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Boydy can you believe this all that we are actually sitting here debating the fallout of this
Are you in shock mate becaese i am this is absolutley a nitemare
by broncosfaninphilly on Mar 1, 2009 8:40 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed mate...
But at least we are passionate about our team.
Deep down I think it will all be water under the bridge.
The Broncos will start winning….and winning brings people together.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
I predict 17-0 this season
will be the outcome. And this weekend will become a trivia question… believe it or not!
"You can't make the club if you're in the tub." -- Rod Smith
by broncosmontana on Mar 1, 2009 9:17 PM MST up reply actions
I give up
I’ve been trying to keep up with this thread but I can’t get to the bottom of the page and now I have to go to work. Have fun, people. This is just like a game thread.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
What time is it on Vulcan?
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
One positive to remember
Even if Jay is traded or McD (no relation to the imaginary “McDonalds” that took down B Marsh). MHR will still have the best fan base at this web site. Thanks to everyone who is passionate about the team.
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
I have visions of Damon Huard being our starting QB next year...
just saying—there isn’t much out there.
I don't even want to contemplate that thought
I much rather think of Jon Gruden being our opening day coach or other firery SB winning coach with pronounced chin.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Off topic, but did anyone else notice the Giants signed Canty
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
That's
an even fiercer d-line for the G-Men.
"If we never try, we shall never succeed." - Abraham Lincoln
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That line will be pretty scary next year
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Yes they are quietly restocking for another SB run !
by broncosfaninphilly on Mar 1, 2009 8:53 PM MST reply actions
I liked the Dawkins signing, but I really wanted a run at Canty.
Solid starter coming into his prime on the D-line.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Agreed...he and Igor would have been gold....oh well!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
But hell, at least we solved that long snapper problem
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
reminds me of Fight Club
“You say to yourself, ‘No matter what happens, I’ve got that sofa problem taken care of…’”
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 1, 2009 9:15 PM MST up reply actions
Me too !
How about the no intrest in ray lewis so far
by broncosfaninphilly on Mar 1, 2009 8:57 PM MST reply actions
It is interesting, I know the Ravens had something like 3 years for 24 mil
If you look at what we had to pay Dawkins (basically 3 mil more than the Eagles) I would asume Ray would want 3 years 30 mil range to leave Baltimore, not sure if he is worth that for two years.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
How about leverdious coles the NY jets turning down 6 mill in a market that nobody wants a WR
by broncosfaninphilly on Mar 1, 2009 9:02 PM MST up reply actions
Coles has proved to be not the sharpest knife
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
This whole fiasco
that started as a non-story has been blown up into a major issue (for the moment) largely by unnamed sources. This might be the high school journalist in me, but that shit needs to be taken with a grain of salt. We have whispers on the wind carrying this story from humble beginnings to the top of the fucking mountain.
I honestly can’t wait for this to die. Jay, grow up. Fire the PR team. Get your shit together, fellas. Act like the professionals you’re paid to be.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
anyone watching sportscenter
Cutler’s latest statement:
“they want me to come in and talk to ‘em…but i am not doing it right now; i’m going to lay low. The Broncos deny everything. That’s a problem. We know for a fact they tried to trade me”
I'm with Boydy...
Sounds to me that Bus Cook is a problem. His number one client is the biggest drama queen in sports, and Jay is apparently working hard to take Brett’s sash title from him.
I agree
When I listen to him in post game interviews he sounds very arrogant, what has he done in the last three years? Throw some very key interceptions! He needs to be a little more humble and prove himself before he acts like he knows it all.
by War Eagle Aubie on Mar 1, 2009 9:20 PM MST up reply actions
well
he certainly doesnt SEEM to be handling this well, and he has said some immaturish stuff, but the biggest drama queen in sports? huh?
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Mar 1, 2009 9:38 PM MST up reply actions
So Stupied
Why did you guys try to trade your franchise QB. No respect for your players.
A New Spirit, A New Team, A New Coach, But Same Commitment.
Believe me RK
we’re as mystified as you are.
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by broncosmontana on Mar 1, 2009 9:19 PM MST up reply actions
To the SportsGuru
“The Broncos are correct to look into any deal regarding anyone on this team. Jay Cutler needs to realize that as much as he wants to think he is Peyton or Eli Manning, or Ben Roethlisberger, or even Phillip Rivers, he isn’t.”
I don’t agree with this comment at all. The most important thing in the post JOHN ELWAY era is finding a QB to replace him and Cutler has become a rising star. You would take Rivers over Cutler you must be crazy. River is a crybaby that has tons of talent around him. Cutler wouldn’t have commanded so much trade interest if he wasn’t the real deal. Mcdumass might want to rethink his plan.
I never said...
I would take Rivers. Cutler made the comparison himself. Before that, get to and win a playoff game. That’s all. I can’t stand Phillip Rivers, and I want Cutler, but 17-20, no playoff appearances is what we have right now, for better for worse.
Now let’s get whatever rift there is patched up and go about the business of winning football games!
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Cutler supporter
Coach Mac has his head up his butt and I hope Cutler makes the idiot trade him…..He is a prima donna but a franchise QB…and you don’t treat your greatest asset like that…Bowlen talking about “the kids” wisdom….what an absolute idiot. As a lifelong Bronco fan, I cannot stand this turd coming in and going for Cassel, a 2nd string nobody who has Randy Moss and Wes Welker over Cutler…still can’t believe it…almost makes me wish Shanahan was back…almost
Yes, trade Cutler
If we can get something good for Cutler, I say yes. I fail to understand what he’s done that is so wonderful…he talks a good game. He has no fire. When he throws a pick, it’s like “oh well, no biggie”. If I just came into the position as coach and was looking at tape of the guy I wouldn’t think he even cared about winning. I thought Plummer had more fire than Cutler. He also doesn’t act like a leader. With the game on the line in the final minutes, he isn’t the QB I’d want in there. Maybe he’ll get there someday, but right now, he isn’t great and he isn’t a franchise QB. I think he needs this. He needs to know he isn’t the annointed golden boy. He needs to have the sense his job is on the line. He needs to quit reading all the positive reviews about his prowess and needs to stop believing his own press about how he’s better than Elway, Favre, and Montana rolled into one.
I'm SO confused
Help me out here guys & girls i heard that cutlers agent was involved with the talks and this was nothing new, if i was cutler i would be talking to my agent and finding out whats going on. Talks about the QB should have been something in the minds of all of us B fans i like cutler a lot and hope he stays, but i was’nt shocked to here about the trade talks.
I am shocked about the attitude he has. This is the NFL and not the first time crap like this has happen, coach Mac was a Patriot he worked with Cassel so it was not a surprise to go after him. I’m not saying it was right i’m saying Cutler needs to chill out get over it because if he does’nt he will hurts us by not playing well because if feels desrepected. Remember the crap plummer went through. Last thought i really think he should talk to his agent because everyone in that office knew what was going on. THOUGHTS?
Peter King is reporting...
That Cutler requested a trade after Jeremy Bates was let go.
If this is true here’s my question: It Jay going to have a fit every time a business decision is made, or someone he’s close to is traded, cut or fired? Its only human to have feelings about these things and to want to discuss them but this is the NFL, kid.
Which means Not For Long.
It’s rarely personal. Just business.
Jay Deserves to be pissed
First McDaniels goes out and says how important Jay will be in the offense and how excited he is to work with him. Then he either comes up with a trade for Cassel, or entertains a trade for cutler, both of which should have costed him his job. Bus Cook put it nicely by saying trying to trade for another Quarterback is a vote of no Confidence. Jay Cutler is our Franchise Quarterback and McDaniels and Xanders are idiots. Both made one of the biggest mistakes of their short stupid careers as head men. And now they want jay to fly over to talk to them after they clearly screwed up. They should be flying up to Cutlers house and kissing his ass after they stabbed him in the Back. Thats what they did when they picked up the phone for that trade. I personally love watching Cutler and would be devastated to see him in another uniform, but more importantly than that, I’m pretty sure the rest of the team will be upset with the coaching staff for letting go a team leader, and one of the only players who kept the broncos alive last season. Say what you want about his mistakes, Cutler is the best quarterback to enter the league in a while. His second full season starting all year and he’s like second in the league in throwing yards. I think McDaniels and Xanders are totally arrogant to think they can do better than Cutler, and at least Xanders should be fired. I would like to see Mr. Bowlen step in and console his quarterback before he goes down as the biggest loser if we lose Cutler. I hope this situation can get resolved and soon, cause I don’t think I can stand stressing out about this any longer. Please Please do something front office or I will lose a lot of respect for the Broncos as an Organization.
by Bestinthewest24 on Mar 2, 2009 11:48 AM MST reply actions
Cutler is a loser - get over him
Can’t win a game to get into the playoffs even when it is against a marginal team. He clearly is interested in his stats more than winning and his ego more than the team. Folks you just have to accept that this guy is not going to be John Elway – sure he has a strong arm but so did Jeff George. Let him move on. While he is at it he can take Brandon Marshall with him – Brandon Marwshall isn’t the next TO he is worse than TO.
sorry if this has been posted already
http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/3946294
Cutler’s act is wearing thin — quickly
By Gene Wojciechowski
maybe pittman can help him out
If I remember correctly, did’nt pittman try to run over his wife?
Romanowski for President! He played with a mean streak.
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