I’ve always felt that one of the reasons Wade Phillips didn’t do better here was that after Reeves was fired it became clear that the coach was not in control of the team. I think it took Elway those Phillips years to realize that he couldn’t run the team and play QB.

I for one am happy with the direction of the team. Team first.

Really who would of been logged into this con call that would of then leaked the conversation straight to CBS? Bowlen, McD, Xanders maybe McCoy… none of them are going to leak straight to CBS, this would of been 2nd or 3rd hand info before it even left the building.. Geez do all of MSM get their jounralistic training from reading celebrity gossip mags?

just to hear that the much anticipated meeting didn’t take place face-to-face. It’s easier to set things straight when both men are in the same room, even if it’s not a make-nice conversation. I worry that whatever negativity exists between JC and Jedi is more likely to have been reinforced in a phone meeting than it would have been face-to-face. Hopefully the conversation will continue in Dove Valley.

and I’m in full support of the TEAM first message. I’m a Denver Broncos fan and will be with or without Cutler. Hopefully winning will resolve all these issues, but Cutler needs to man up.

On a side note, in retrospect how BIG is the signing of Chris Simms?

Let ’em have it, Guru!!

if Cutler shows and how he handles himself.

I know the guys on offense have a lot of pride about their performance last year, rightfully so, but it’s naive of them to think that their performance last year would merit a word in the decision making process of an entirely new offense regime. Bowlen didn’t hire McDaniels to run Shanahan 2.0. He hired McDaniels to run McDaniels 1.0. It’s unfortunate that we’ll probably lose some quality players because they don’t fit or don’t like the new system, but it’s also inevitable. The sooner they move on the better.

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Go Broncos

Everyone should just man up and be up front here. If management wants to trade Jay then say it up front and be done with it. But to wait for months and then make a break is just pure chicken sh*t back stabbing. Be a man, if you are going to put out in the press that “we are not going to trade Jay and we were never going to trade him” then stand by what you say. If you are not good for your word then what good are you.

And Jay should man up and either put an end to this pouting childish BS and commit to being a Bronco or get the hell out. Stop acting like a damn spoild baby and man up.
The money that everyone is getting paid should lessen the blow of a few hurt feelings.
Get together and iron this out without all the double talk and worry if everyone is meaning what they say or just keeping you around until a better offer comes by..

Really discusted by all of this from top to bottom, this has got to be the most disappointing pre season I have ever seen. Really took all the fun and hope for me for this season. I am sure I will get over it but I may take my first year off in 35 years….
Not a very good start for us in my opinion right nowl. I really hope that we can put something together here….Time will tell….Go Bronco’s….just doesnt seem the same anymore…Feels like our team is being sold to and becoming……..can’t say it …..

HOW DID I MISS THAT ONE?! (whacking my head on the desk)

nicely done!

…again.

I’m just throwing this out there. Maybe Jay wants to be traded because he misses Shanny and his little man-bitch Jeremy Bates. Or maybe he and his slimeball agent just want more money.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Jay, but maybe he’s just wanted out ever since this whole new regime got started.

Cutler has said many times that he was not mad because they were going to trade him, but because he felt they were not being honest with him. If this info is correct it sounds like they where up front with him, so now he needs to deal with it and move on. I don’t beleave they are going to trade him, they can’t get good value for him, and the Broncos signed Simms to be a backup not the starter. The Broncos need to hire a QB coach to be a buffer between Jay and McD. Shanny had a good relationship with Elway but even he knew he had to have that buffer so he had Kubiak for a middle man, Farve had mariucci and so on.

According to ESPN’s account of Monday’s conference call between Jay Cutler, his agent, and the Broncos, the situation went “from bad to worse.”
Leave it to ESPN to drum up the dramatic. Reporter Bill Williamson says the sides are “now further apart than prior to (the meeting).” Coach Josh McDaniels reportedly refused to confirm or deny trade talks involving Cutler and Matt Cassel, although owner Pat Bowlen stated to Cutler that he “will not be traded.” Williamson says Cutler now would rather be dealt if Denver won’t commit to him long term. Broncos OTAs begin on Monday.

Sack up young man and be that leader we all think you can be.
Damn, how long have been waiting for leadership like this from our coahing staff and managers.
I AGREE WITH MCD….there is no player IN THE LEAGUE that is untradble….Manning and Brady included.
Montana got traded, Unitas got traded…..and Jay is not within coee of those guys at the moment.
I like this new attitude and I HOPE that Jay shows up, is a leader and shows from his actions that he wants to be a Denver Bronco.
If not, I will support Chris SImms or whoever that QB is.
Peace.

will there be any concrete way to tell if the team is back on track, or will this be another opportunity for the MSM add more fuel to the fire?

what if cutler shows up, but he doesn’t have a fresh haircut? will there be a source close enough to the situation to tell us if there’s true bromance at dove valley?

At this point I’m sick of the rumors and misinformation. I think it is Cutler’s agent Bus Cook who is leaking information and causing people in the MSM like Porkchop to spew sensationalized horse sh**. The Broncos organization would not discuss this issue with the media, it simply is not in their best interests. So who is left… Cutler and Cook. It is quite obvious that Cook is ‘stirring the pot’ in order to getting something accomplished for his selfish and immature client. What is that exactly? I’m not sure, but as some have pointed out it could be a contract extension, or even a trade.

Stop the the Jay-trade talks!

but I just can’t agree with the idea that the Broncos management are in the right for setting Cutler straight on how it’s going to be. It seems like they’ve gone out of their way to let Cutler know that they think he is expendable (a major mistake by my calculations). I think that an NFL franchise works like any other business from the aspect that if they don’t make their employees feel valued and treat them with respect then the businees is unlikely to succeed. McDaniels is essentially a manager now…and I know that if my manager made a point of making me feel expendable then I’d be pretty pissed about it too.

“Chris Simms’ two-year contract with the Broncos is worth $6 million and included a $1.5 million signing bonus.
This is barely league-average backup money. Simms may not even be locked into the No. 2 spot on the depth chart. Another addition is possible.”

-Rotoworld, per the Nashville Tennessean

Basically agreeing with the Guru, but Mr. Cutler needs to grow-up a little. Did the Broncos engage in discussions that might have lead to a trade of Cutler for Cassel plus some other players/picks? Yes. If so, does that mean the Broncos would rather have Cassel than Cutler even up? Not necessarily. Would the Broncos rather have Cassel plus say a couple of picks in this year’s draft instead of Cutler? Maybe for the right package. If someone showed up with a “Herschel Walker” package for Cutler they might take it. Answering the phone to see what is available is what the GM is supposed to do.

Cutler is getting paid huge money to be a professional athlete. This is part of that business. It comes with the territory. Is it pleasant? Well probably not. Is it a fact of life for an NFL player? Yes. Even great players can be traded.

is waaaaaaaaay too young… from the top down… and seemingly devoid of leaders. Is anyone stepping up in this fiasco to try to right the ship?!?!?!

There is a dark cloud hanging over Broncoland. =/

but they said if the right offer comes up. wtf. if jay doesnt show up monday, i say they trade him b/c we dont need all this drama if jay doent want to work out.

You can preach team first all you want, but a franchise QB is a hard thing to find.

The patriots lost a super bowl with Bledsoe, they won 3 with a pretty darn good QB. It wasn’t “the system”, and McDaniels isn’t Bellichek. Brady is a hall of fame QB. One year on, a team that was a minute from undefeated lost a not very strong AFC East to the Dolphins. Why? Because QB is the most important position on the field. Cassel was good at times, but he struggled against good defenses.

McDaiels could be the next Bellicheck, he could also end up being the Mangini 2, or Romeo 2, or Charlie Weis 2. We have no idea what we have at coach. The fact that the new coach has the power to trade his QB is a bit frightening to me. Shanny was fired cause he had too much power. McDaniels picked his own GM and apparently has final say on players too. Unless you think Xanders or Bowlen hired a new coach to get rid of Jay??? Seems unlikely to me given our good offense and bad defense.

Chris Simms, seriously???? He’s a journeyman QB at best. Ask the Panthers or Vikings if they wish they had Jay instead of their QB. You could add to that list several more teams, Jets, Niners, Buccaneers, Texans, Chiefs, Redskins, Lions, Rams, Cowboys. Who thinks the Cardinals and Titans wish they’d have picked Jay over their current bench-warming 1st rounder?

The Cardinals are a 5-11 team with Leinart, and NFC Champions with Warner.

Did anyone watch how awesome the Eagles were when they benched McNabb? They were terrible because Kevin Kolb is terrible.

Jay shouldn’t be given free reign, and he should grow up a little, but chasing a 25 year old pro-bowl QB out of town in favor of “the system”, or in favor of Chris Simms is delusional.

Raheem Morris tried to trade for Jay, maybe he’d have been a better hire than McHoodie.

A very unhappy Bronco fan.

They got some nerves coming in Denver creating all this BS.They need to be trying to figure out how they stunk up the Derrick Ward deal!Also sighning a 31year old Goodman,instead of getting Bartell from the Rams for the same money.Their the ones acting like two power hungrey rookies.Get some wins under your belt before you start trying to be this secret society of of wanna be Belichicks,and who ever X thinks he is.I’m very shocked that Pat Bowlen is letting this whole thing continue.I don’t know about you all,but I love Cutty MACK as our QB,and would’nt trade him for anyone.Yes he’s a cry baby at times,but he’s a heck of a gifted QB.He’s way better than Cassel HANDS DOWN!!!If I would have woke up,and Jay was traded that would have been the end of my 26years plus as a Bronco fan.Yes I’m loyal to the organization,but after they fired Shanny 1st dumb move then trade Cutler WTF?That’s just plain STUPID!!!!Some of you need to get off the Patriots sack,and remember who the Broncos are,and what were doing long before the Brat Pack got here.Which was winning.Shanny would have fixed our D after last years problems.We had the #2 O last year we were on our way!So all you McD fans remember that when Cutler,and McD get into a full blown arguement on the sideline during a crucial moment in,an important game watch.

just of fired Slowik and hired nolan to fix the D and switch to the 3-4…

I’ve asked myself this over and over… (I know Shany said he wouldn’t fire Slowik)

But I won’t stay with a team making dumb ass move’s like the two I mentioned!I want my team to go forward instead of backwards.26 plus says it all when it comes too me buddy!

Worth it!!!Check Cutlers numbers,and get back to me,and let me know if he’s worth it.Cutlers proven been to a Pro Bowl.What have Mcd,and X proven?Not a damn thing!

So much that it would kill me too watch them set the Franchise back with dumb moves!We need Cutler more then he needs us.

..the 8 hour time difference is a killer

Peering through the smoke, mirrors and misinformation, my gut feeling is that:

McX: are asserting their ‘alpha male’ primacy like many new management teams do, have no intention of trading Jay, but will if he doesn’t get with the new programme;

Jay: would like to stay, won’t do any better than Denver in a trade, and will show up for OTAs.

Bus Cook: his tactics are fairly familiar to anyone who follows soccer in the EPL or Europe, and it’s begining to feel like he’s testing his client’s market value as a prelude to negotiating Jay’s next contract, preferably here.

Guru speculated on a straight trade of Romo for Cutler. Is there any precedent for a trade like this, did it work, who came off better?

GO BRONCOS!

I’m from Cali too bro,and it must be in the air out here,cause I feel the same way!!

If Cutler wants to follow His Car salesman Agent I hope He takes Him to Detroit that would be Poetic!

Cutler is being a huge baby through all of this. If a team wants to shop you then they can shop you, its part of the business, GET OVER IT!

Is there any talk that he wants to play for the 49ers? Cuz I would welcome him over there.