A 'Battle of Sources' brews as Jay Cutler drama continues
by John Bena on Mar 10, 2009 11:43 PM MDT
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This is getting downright ridiculous. According to Bill Williamson, a 'second source', this one close to the Broncos, has come forward about what happened during today's conference call between the Broncos(Bowlen, Xanders and McDaniels) and Jay Cutler(Bus Cook). Just to catch you up, here is what the FIRST source had to say --
The first source said McDaniels wouldn't confirm or deny whether the Broncos initiated the trade talks. The Broncos did, though, tell Cutler that every player on the team could be traded and he could be traded at any time. Still, Denver owner Pat Bowlen also stated in the conversation that Cutler will not be traded. The Broncos publicly said Cutler will not be traded last week as the Cutler trade frenzy was in full force.
After the phone call, the first source said Cutler would rather be traded now if Denver isn't going to commit to him long-term. The first source maintains Cutler was totally on board with McDaniels until the trade talks story broke and that trust is Cutler's biggest problem with McDaniels and the organization.
The first source said Cutler is still mulling over whether he will show up for the team's offseason conditioning program, which begins Monday. The Broncos' source stated that Cutler needs to meet with McDaniels in person to keep the situation moving in the right direction.
All bad, right?
Now for the "Second Source" --
A Broncos source with knowledge of the discussions said that two sides did not grow further apart in Monday's conference call and that issues were discussed openly and it was re-emphasized to Cutler he will not be traded.
So, MHR Fans, who do we believe. Oh, and I guess it is safe to say that if the second source is close to the Broncos, the other source is close to Jay Cutler. Or the Raiders, Chiefs or Chargers.
We'll talk all about this, and whatever else random, unnamed sources can come up with tomorrow on MHR Radio. Sweet Dreams!
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This is...
the gift that keeps on givin’. That is if you are a raiders, Chiefs, or Chargers fan.
by Kapiti on Mar 10, 2009 11:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It was me.........
Im the leak !! GO CHIEFS !!
by CPT.Caveman on Mar 11, 2009 5:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
These so-called sources sound more and more like "Curveball" - the source that the US believed before the Iraq War.
We need to call them out for the bullshitter that they are. My thought is that someone has a lot to gain by inciting confusion, anger and discontent.
by Blackknigh on Mar 10, 2009 11:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wht is "the source's" real name is what I want to know.
Unless that person reveals himself, I am not going to pay attention to it. As long as Jay is the Broncos QB, I am happy.
2007-08 MVP: Kobe Bryant
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
by weazel on Mar 11, 2009 12:10 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Swag.....CHill
There are reasons for both parties to be bent…Jay blew off the owner and put himself before the team. The broncos blew it by listening to offers to trade for Jay cutler. The main issue now lays in the media sourcing and conflicting reports that don’t come directly from either the Broncos or Jay Cutler. If Jay doesn’t show up on Monday, it means to me “the fan” that he isn’t in for the Broncos, he’s in for Jay Cutler. For the Broncos to improve as a team, the whole team has to be dedicated to towing the line. Jay may be a baller, but if he’s not true blue and orange, I want somebody who is true blue and orange.
You're going to find this hard to believe, but I personally feel that it's a lot smarter to leave things to a person's imagination, let him fill things in for himself. When your own mind completes something, it's much more valuable to you, I think.
by poopeddler on Mar 11, 2009 12:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol.
I hate this fucking story. Drama queens.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 11, 2009 12:51 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
How many times are you gonna comment on this...
we get the point, you’re pissed.
You're going to find this hard to believe, but I personally feel that it's a lot smarter to leave things to a person's imagination, let him fill things in for himself. When your own mind completes something, it's much more valuable to you, I think.
by poopeddler on Mar 11, 2009 12:55 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well then.
If I have to believe a source, I’m going to say the second source.
If only because it will mean I stress less about this.
by Shoemaker on Mar 11, 2009 1:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
HOLD YOUR HORSES(no PUN intended) TO ALL BRONCO FANS EVERYWHERE!!!
Im not new to this site, but I am new to posting comments. I finally have to speak up and say something! I am sick of all of these so called bronco fans hatin on cutler and cryin like little girls. relax! first what has cutler done wrong, and I mean to the point of wanting him out! second, why do you start talking crap and you dont even know the truth. Im 29 from Cali, and been a hardcore bronco fan since I was 10, so I search for broncos info where ever I can get it. To me this is the best site by far(most real). But damn, everywhere I look ,fans cryin and complaining, Im sick of this Im sick of that, shut up already. Dont get me wrong Im not sayin dont voice your opinions. And I know most of you on this story here are backing cutler, but Ive just been reading so much BS from fans who hear one little thing from a BS source and start bitching, all I have to say to that is GO TO THE RAIDER NATION FOR THAT. are you DENVER BRONCO FANS OR WHAT. If someone in your family made a few mistakes would you condem them to the world. Or would you take the good with the bad and support them no matter what. I BLEED ORANGE AND BLUE, for better or worse, stop being a cancer. anyways thats my 2 cents. If these comments bother you its cause thats the fan you are! BRONCOS FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!
by CobraClutch on Mar 11, 2009 2:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
what has cutler done for you to want him gone...
did he not do enough by almost singlehandedly come back against the browns?…did he not win the jets game with a fullback getting the bulk of the carries?…did he put the ball into the hands of brandon stokely in the fourth quarter of the bills game (only to see another drop)?…did he not do enough by getting us to 8-8 and ONE win (lucky bounce, injury, kansas city onsides kick, miracle) from the playoffs?
give jay a break, hes been here doing things for us…GREAT THINGS
whats mcdaniels doing breaking up what works? thats my real question
by champelway on Mar 11, 2009 2:51 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The Source Close To Cutler...
Some stupid friend of Jay’s is getting a kick out of having media types call him up for info.
by ejruiz on Mar 11, 2009 4:36 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Swag...
Man, get a hold of some Xanax or something. We all bleed orange and blue here, but you’re taking this whole thing too far. I’m fed up with this story because, like I’ve been saying all along, it’s not really a story. Jay Cutler will be our QB in 2008 and beyond.
by ejruiz on Mar 11, 2009 4:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
What are we, the Phinsider?
I agree with ejruiz, this is a non-story that the MSM just won’t let die. So I say we just fagettaboudit until he does/doesn’t show up Monday. That’s the only way we’ll be able to tell if he’s on board or not.
I picked the wrong weekend to quit sniffing glue...
by papigrande on Mar 11, 2009 5:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Does the QB make the coach
Or does the coach make the QB. Remember back Bronco fans, Elway came in and won some games under Reeves, but not the big game. So Elway was good and bolstered alot of fan support, but he never won the big one until Shanny came along. So did the coach make the QB there. Cutler has won a few games and I think he will be among the elite ones when he is finished. However can Cutler and McDaniels make each other look great. With the current rift between them and the state of mind of Cutler it is going to be tough. Again remember the rift with Elway and Reeves. They never won big until the rift (in that case the coach) was gone. I believe the Broncos from top to bottom need to work as a team to resolve this before they can win anything. GO BRONCOS!!!!!!
by Bronco fan in washington on Mar 11, 2009 8:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My take on your comment
Elway did not win the big one until TD came along. TD is the biggest reason we won back to back SB. Shanahan had a part in it but TD took the burden off Elway. Elway no longer had to carry the team when TD took over as the starting RB.
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 11, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
REAR Coach McDaniels WORSHIPPERS REQUIRED!
If we really want to be honest the new immature REAR Coach of the Denver Broncos, McDaniels is quite unhappy that his QB Jay Cutler did not fall down at his feet and worship him when he was announced the REAR Coach. Instead Cutler did what he felt. He expressed his displeasure about Shanahan’s firing and remained cool throughout this entire time. This was going south from the day Bowlen fined Shanahan… from the day Cutler express displeasure… from the day he requested that the QB coach be retained but wasn’t… from the day he requested the offensive coordinator be retained and he wasn’t… from the day he and REAR coach McDaniels stopped speaking… from the day McDaniels trade blew up in his immature face… from the day LOOSER BOWLEN backed McDaniels plays…
Classify Cutler as gone.
Broncos Blog: http://ibelievethis.us/bronco’s/
by voicewithin on Mar 11, 2009 8:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
piss down their leg
hi im the broncos. it took me 10 years to find a franchise quarterback and im pissing it down my leg. my ego is bigger then cutler’s and im the boss and ill set the team back three years just to prove a point. yeeeaaahh!
by mcDah on Mar 11, 2009 8:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
McDaniels is just a Tool
The coach just like the QB and for that matter is just a COG in the machinery that makes a team. The coach is only going to go as far as the team takes him and the team will go as far as the coach takes them. They have to be on the same page. McD may be a great coach some day but he is not anointed yet. And Cutler may be great but again he is not anointed either. I believe in Cutler and do not want to see him traded but without a defense and a running game changes were needed, but lets not trade the franchise before we give him the chance to win. And lets not give up on McD before he coaches his first game. Both parties MUST remember this is a TEAM SPORT
by Bronco fan in washington on Mar 11, 2009 8:32 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
What's With All These Trolls???
Read annoying comment, check registration date, find that they’ve only been here a couple of weeks at most, hope MHR management weeds these trolls out…
by ejruiz on Mar 11, 2009 9:19 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It took me a long time to find a blog with intelligent and respectful fans...
who think before they start spouting meaningless accusations and insults (at Broncos personnel and fellow fans). ejruiz has it right, where did all these trolls come from, and why do we listen when they start hittin’ the panic button? Not the sort of comments I come to expect from this blog. If I wanted to hear calls for heads to roll, I’d move over to the DP blog, or join the fader’s nation. I was born a Broncos Fan and will die a Broncos Fan, regardless of who’s on the team, who’s running the team, if they’re 8-8, 1-15, or 13-3 (baby!)
Go Broncos!
by Royal With Cheese on Mar 11, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey guys, I can't help but notice
a bit of a “high horse” phenomenon with some comments…
FYI, not everyone’s going to agree on everything on this site and last I checked there isn’t some sort of site rule that says you can’t post if someone finds your comment “annoying.” Obviously as long as personal attacks, insults, and profanity isn’t used… people can post their opinions as comments and even Fan Posts as freely as they want. I do believe that is the purpose of this blog.
We may not agree on everything, but there’s no need to lump people into “troll” or “unintelligent” labels. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinions no matter how strong or perhaps annoying it might be to others… welcome to the internet. =/
by tunga77 on Mar 11, 2009 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: trolls and behavior standards
Many of the SB-Nation blogs state their membership behavior code in simple language such as “be nice.” I’ve joined many of them and although they may not necessarily strictly outlaw certain behaviors, the emphasis is making constructive comments and holding yourself up to a commonly recognized standard of civil behavior.
In other words, it’s not sufficient, for instance, to avoid profanity in order to be considered a troll or someone with suspect motives.
The notion that anything goes as long as one doesn’t engage in certain outlawed behavior is a rather poor understanding of what constitutes acceptable behavior.
Moreover, calling out someone who fails the standard of civil behavior is different than engaging in un-civil discourse initially. But we hope that members will find civil ways of expressing their displeasure for troll-like behavior, regardless of the nature of the comment they’re reacting to.
Personally speaking, I don’t care which side of an issue people are on, but if their sole contribution is flaming without providing any rationale for their behavior then they’re not attempting to engage in civil discourse, and they have no right to post here. So, yes, there is a “rule” and it prohibits some of the behavior I’ve seen here lately.
It would be naive to simply rationalize all troll-like behaviors as merely the product of a difference of opinion. Members are only required to exhibit civil behavior — a fairly modest and easily recognized goal — in order to post. Members who have no intention of following that standard shouldn’t be here. It’s not that their opinions are being punished, but rather, because they’re merely using divergent opinion to provide them with cover for their decision to engage in bad behavior. Nobody has to flame to express their opinion, and it’s actually a very counterproductive way of persuading people. Flamers flame because they get their ‘jollies’ by aggressing against other people and violating the rules.
by Colinski on Mar 11, 2009 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally and this is "IMO"...
I did not see any flaming or “bad behavior” in the above posts that I felt got unfairly labeled as trolling. I just saw some posters who obviously are upset and pretty emotional about the status of our favorite football team and are airing it out in this forum, which is perfectly within their rights. I did not see any swears or any person insults. I don’t read every single comment and oftentimes I skim since this site is so active, but the worse I saw was something about Bowlen being a loser or McDaniels being a tool. If that’s how the person feels, that’s their prerogative… it doesn’t affect me.
by tunga77 on Mar 11, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And after further review
Sorry Colinsky…your post absolutely trapped me. You are trying to bring reason to the unreasonable. I’m not knocking you, but just want to give you some perspective.
Your intellectual post is well stated and thought out, but the “trolls” that you are referring to are 99% likely to not understand what you are saying. You are using words that are too advanced.
Quotes from your post:
“…the emphasis is making constructive comments and holidng yourself up to a commonly recognized standard of civil behavior” “…because they’re merely using divergent opinion…”
Sorry, but trolls don’t comprenda “civil behavior” or “divergent opinion”. :)
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Mar 11, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I am wrong
I get alot of my news about the Broncos from the internet becasue I live in Central Texas, but if my memory serves me right, I remember hearing that Coach McD told Cutler that he was his QB…. then the whole issue of being traded. I know as a former player, in college, I would not be happy about being told one thing and then another happening, but eventually I guess he will have to get over it and move on for what is better for the team. I also believe that Coach McD has been two-faced with this whole issue, telling Cutler in the conference call….that anyone can be traded at anytime….is not the thing you want to tell someone when you are trying to patch up a problem.
Well, it can get better if Cutler does show up Monday, or it is going to get a whole lot more messed up if Cutler decides to not show up on Monday.
I guess the bottom line is that Cutler feels betrade, which from other sites I have read is that Cutler is very loyal to his team, teammates, and organization. Which I think is great, but he does need to realize that no one is above the law….I do hope that Coach McD comes to his senses and realize that he has a great QB that he can implement his offense with and be very successful, because if he can get Cutler behind him the sky is the limit because of his dedication.
Get busy living or get busy dying!
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by Cru_51 on Mar 11, 2009 10:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Patience
My guess is that this will all be forgotten once there r a few wins to create distance from the situation. I am a little frustrated with all the drama. Afterall none of us have any idea what is going on. What we do know though kind of makes me wonder if cutler wants to be a bronco in 09. Since the only thing we do know comming from the organization is that we will not trade cutler. That is the only thing offical we have been told. Yet cutler continues with his beielf that they r trying to trade him. I cant help but wonder if cutler isnt just still upset about shannahan and bates and trying to find his way out. I hope this isnt the case because no doubt he is the best option we have for the near future.
by BryGoodland on Mar 11, 2009 11:19 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I am off out of town for three-five days...so I will only say this:
I still think Cutler’s is playing for a huge contract extension that will secure him a place on the team for the next 7-10 years. 2011 isn’t a lot of time to work out a huge contract for a franchise quarterback with a cash poor organization that is the Broncos right now(thank you all the coaches that no longer work for us).
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Mar 11, 2009 11:29 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
if Cutler was smart
he would play extremely well this season then get his contract re-upped once the salary cap is gone
but it appears his greedy agent is pushing for the benjamins right now
by lolcopter on Mar 11, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naw, a player gets more cash up front in a salary cap deal than an uncapped deal.
It is better to get a mega deal under a salary cap situation I think. :)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Mar 11, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't say I didn't see this coming
Like it or not, this is going to be a story now, three weeks from now, three months from now, and three years from now. The media is going to dig at this until either Jay is gone or McDaniels is gone, even if they came out and held hands and gave each other teddy bears, the media is going to want to know why McDaniels doesn’t want Cutler and why Cutler hates his coach. If you think this is bad, just wait until the regulard season and Cutler has a bad game and Cassel has a good game, I guarentee that the first question will be do you regret not trading Jay Cutler, then it’s on again. This is pandora’s box, like it or not McDaniels opened it and now there is no way to shut it.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
by Broncoman on Mar 11, 2009 12:19 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
JUST WAIT
lets just wait until mon. when he has to report to camp. or a legit source reports what really went down,
by CobraClutch on Mar 11, 2009 2:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
great good thing we had an 8-8 season it gets worse from here
with out Cutler denver is toast and if i wanted to be a patriots fan i would buy their stuff not denvers but if Cutler goes i boycott this year and i route for the cardinals thats proof a quarterback is the team
by mikey950 on Mar 11, 2009 6:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
wow...i am biting my tongue
I gotta say that this has turned way not cool…the way some people are posting…whoever they are. And, way back when I first started coming here a year ago, I didn’t say anything, and then I started making little comments (mostly about how awesome Jay is…but he has given me way lots to think about what kinda awesome he wants to be). And then I got up the courage to make a serious posting, and you guys were totally sweet about it and way nice to me.
And I promised myself I wasn’t gonna say anything about what is sorta happening here on MHR, but I just can’t help it. And I hope you won’t hate me. Grand Mother always said that people were always good, but sometimes you had to be way patient and look kinda deep to find it…wow…maybe Grand Mother didn’t meet some of these guys that are posting. Grand Father always said that if you couldn’t say something nice, don’t say anything. And my brother, the Ranger, said that you have to solve the right problem. If someone isn’t very smart about something, they gotta be educated (he thinks that about me lots). If someone is being a jerk, they gotta be taught a lesson. And I know what he would want to do.
I’m totally sorry I lost my temper and I hope the guys who are so wonderful on here, guys like papagrande and zappa and slow white guy and guru and boydy wont hate me for what I said. I promise I will try to be good now
by JaysGirl on Mar 11, 2009 9:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No, you're totally right.
We’ve been having an excess of trolls lately, and it pisses me off. I hope it’s just fodder from RMN/DP, but it really seems that this whole situation is drawing people out of the woodwork that really don’t fit the MHR MO. Too many people are reacting instead of researching and thinking.
And your brother the Ranger…. is he Aragorn?
Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark
by papigrande on Mar 12, 2009 5:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
papi is one of the good guys?
I can win an argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this, and steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don't even invite me. -Dave Barry
by PosterNutbag on Mar 12, 2009 8:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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