Jay Cutler, Bus Cook, and the Soil From Which Record-Setting Contracts Grow
You have all seen the IQ test or logic test questions where they ask you to "complete the next element in the series."
Try to complete this series:
- Largest rookie contract in NFL history. (Steve McNair, 1995)
- Largest contract in NFL history. (Brett Favre, 1997)
- First $100,000,000 contract in NFL History (Brett Favre, 2001)
- Record setting contract paying out the most in the first three years in NFL history (McNair, 2001)
- Largest non-QB contract in NFL history. (Randy Moss, 2001)
- Innovative contract structure involving guaranteed money for Record setting Rookie contract. (Calvin Johnson, 2007)
- ______________________________________??????
My guess, is it was supposed to read: Largest Contract in NFL History (Jay Cutler, 2010). All by Bus Cook.
But these kinds of deals don't just happen. There has to be groundwork laid down, the soil has to be "cultivated" if you will, and it this kind of cultivation that leads to the desperation and knee-jerk reactions needed to sign these kinds of deals.
You gotta believe that you are signing one of the best of all time. And you gotta feel like if you don't do it NOW, there won't be a second chance.
Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness.
Bus Cook has no doubt broke some ground and blazed some phenomenal trails for players in terms of earnings. But he has some methods that shouldn't be considered particularly tasteful.
The William Joseph Saga
It's not often that a #25 pick in the draft has the leverage to hold out, but in 2003, DT William Joseph was advised to do just that by Bus Cook, as they tried to work a top-of-the-line deal for the player. The holdout would extend into training camp and cost Joseph almost 3 weeks of practice, and standing with his team and coach.
''I thought we got real close again,'' Fassel said of the negotiations with Joseph and his agent, Bus Cook. ''But I thought we were going to get a response from him last night. We didn't get a response, nothing. Sometimes it bothers me, the lack of urgency. If we're apart and we can't see things, I'd understand. But it's all slotted. It's all there. Now I want to see a sense of urgency to get things done. I don't care if you've got to go sit in a phone booth together, just get it done. My occupation isn't that way. I'm always operating under a sense of urgency.''
The contract that was eventually settled on was record-setting in duration and upfront cash, with creative voiding situations to make the deal legal. Even as the deal was grinding to a stop, many in the Giants organization suspected what the trouble was, but refrained from speculating. Reporters working the beat however, took the hint.
''We've always got our guys,'' Fassel said in reference to the ability of Giants General Manager Ernie Acorsi to get players into camp on time. ''I have an idea what the holdup is, but I'm not going to say. All I know is we've not had a problem getting guys in.''
Cook did not return a phone call seeking comment on Fassel's remarks.
Most observers felt that this was Bus Cook getting back in on the record-setting action, after a two-year hiatus from the news. What particularly stood out to fans of the Giants, and to reporters covering the beat was how long the saga drew out to be. Instead of being settled quickly, one issue followed another in an unending news-cycle that wouldn't let it die.
It seemed that Bus had found a new way to cultivate the soil of record-setting contracts.
The Steve McNair Saga
When Steve McNair's health started to fail him, Cook stepped in quickly and issues came out about what kind of testing was done, and what kind of rights McNair had pertaining to the practice complex for the Titans. Normally this is a non-issue, settled between liability lawyers.
Instead it was a multiple-week saga that would not die, marred by misinformation about the stances of both the Titans and McNair.
Cook said. "Steve will be sad (to leave Nashville). He gave his heart and soul to that team and that town. But he'll be fine."
Like the Joseph saga before, McNair was routinely "out of town" or unavailable, yet there was always info available for the media, including speculation with the Ravens that would eventually blossom into a full-on trade. But initially, the trade talks had no legs:
"That's not going to happen," said Titans General Manager Floyd Reese, who downplayed the seriousness of the talks. "We talked early and they made an offer and it was insufficient, and it died right there. Right now all that is dead."
But Cook wasn't hearing of it.
When you raise something up yourself, care for it, craft it, and bend it to your will, you don't just let it die. McNair would eventually be traded to Baltimore, amidst legal ramifications involving suing the Titans and grievances filed by the Players Association.
The Brett Favre Saga
The Favre saga is recent history, so no need to re hash it, but here quickly is a breakdown of the length of time required to resolve the situation:
- March 6, 2008: Favre retires from the Packers.
- May 6, 2008: With the NFL draft out of the way, Packers general manager Ted Thompson visits Favre in Mississippi and has lunch on his back porch.
- July 2, 2008: Favre reportedly has "itch" to come back and play.
- July 3, 2008: Favre saying comeback is just a rumor.
- July 8, 2008: Favre meets with McCarthy and Thompson and expresses a strong desire to play in 2008.
- July 11, 2008: Favre asks the Packers for his unconditional release.
- July 12, 2008: Packers refuse to release Favre.
- July 27, 2008: Favre does not show up for Packers training camp.
- July 29, 2008: Favre finally faxes his official request for reinstatement to the league.
- July 30, 2008: Reports leak that Packers president Mark Murphy flies to Mississippi to extend a lucrative olive branch: $20 million over 10 years for Favre to stay retired and remain with the Packer organization in a marketing capacity.
- July 31, 2008: Favre flies to Green Bay.
- August 1, 2008: Favre is reportedly leaning towards taking the buyout.
- August 3, 2008: Commissioner Roger Goodell reinstates Favre into the league.
- Aug. 4, 2008: Favre and McCarthy have a one-on-one meeting which lasts five hours. The length of the meeting forces McCarthy to postpone a scheduled press conference.
- Aug. 5, 2008: Favre and McCarthy indicate that it's likely better for both parties if Favre does not stay with the Packers. Favre goes home to Mississippi and trade talks heat up.
- Aug. 6, 2008: Packers trade Favre to the New York Jets.
That is a lot of time, all of it tough on fans who didn't know whether their hero was staying or going, or who the bad guy was. Fans turned on Favre. Fans turned on the Packers.
In the end, Bus Cook got what he wanted.
Jay Cutler Saga
This one has only just begun, but make no mistake, Bus Cook is after something, and he will use Cutler and the Broncos to get it. Before the Shanahan firing, Cook was sure that Cutler was going to get the largest contract in NFL history in 2010. But with the advent of McXanders, and the Broncos new cap-friendly cash plans, that contract isn't realistic. For the Broncos
The Broncos are trying to clear up this inexplicable mess. What they don't realize, is there is no cleanup possible as long as Cook is in control.Notice the similarities between the "leaks," "rumors," and "talks" that have occurred between the Favre and Jay sagas.
With contract uncertainties existing for the future, and Cook's penchant and insatiable desire for long-term guarantees, there is no doubt that SOMETHING will have to happen. Cutler will have to fire Bus, or the Broncos will have to make a substantial contract extension offer, or a big-time trade will eventually come to pass.
But as Cook's last three experiments have shown, the teams and coaches involved in these deals tend to come out scarred on the other end. While Cook pads his millions, and the players themselves get windfall via unexpected contracts, these deals tend to spell the beginning of the end for the players. Joseph ended his career in Oakland, McNair hit rock bottom in Baltimore, and Favre became a soap opera star but failed on the football field.
The Broncos and Cutler need to take back control, because this Bus is destined for a crash.
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This is what I have been talking about...
Styg has painted the picture of the problem in the whole Jay Cutler/Denver Broncos saga and his name is Bus Cook!
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by John Bena on Mar 11, 2009 8:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, now I see what you are saying Guru.
Great post and rec’d.
Buss cook only cares about one thing…..himself and how much money he gets. That is totally insne that one agent would do all this.
2007-08 MVP: Kobe Bryant
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
by weazel on Mar 11, 2009 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant to say great post styg....Awesome job.
2007-08 MVP: Kobe Bryant
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
by weazel on Mar 11, 2009 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
nevermind recommending....
buzz it up. that’s what makes it a national story.
Rec’d and buzzed
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 11, 2009 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point and done!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Mar 12, 2009 6:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point SWG
Just buzzed it up.
2007-08 MVP: Kobe Bryant
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
by weazel on Mar 12, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Think Jay has the goods to actually fire him, though?
"A Monolithic Vulgarity."
by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 11, 2009 8:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully...
…JC’s dad will advise him if it becomes obvious to them that Cook is playing games mainly for his own benefit. Seem like Cutler’s had a strong family wtih solid Midwest values.
by MakeCents on Mar 11, 2009 8:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering
where Jay’s daddy was in all this. I visualize that scene from “Mr. Deeds” when the whiny football player’s dad says, “I’ll remind him where he comes from” as he removes his belt. Go Jay’s Dad! FIRE COOK!
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Mar 11, 2009 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
“NO DADDY NOOOOOOO!!!!!”
I wonder if B-Marsh’s dad could get after him for “usin’ bad language in front o’ the ladies.”
Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark
by papigrande on Mar 12, 2009 5:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a chance
Cook is trying to make himself a pile of cash, but he is also trying to make Cutler a huge wad of cash. We can blame Cook, but Cutler has too much self interest in this to not be partially to blame. Vanderbilt doesn’t take no dummies.
by D-fence on Mar 11, 2009 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50
by broncosmontana on Mar 11, 2009 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Cook has done a great job of driving a wedge between Cutler and McD
I’m not sure how this could play out well for the Broncos….
"You're slow. You're not a running back, and you're not a running back for a reason." ---a former mastermind head coach....
by Broncs Cheer on Mar 12, 2009 12:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Jay Fire Cook?
Does anybody here think that every single player in the NFL doesn’t want as much money as they can get? Jay wants the big bucks and thinks Cook is the way to get it. Not only won’t he fire him, he’ll probably pay him a bonus if and when he gets those big bucks, from the Broncos or someone else.
This is a business people. If the Broncos think they can get better value by trading Cuter, they’ll do it without a moment’s hesitation. Is Jay somehow supposed to be more “loyal” to the Broncos than they are to him? Think about it!
by candide on Mar 12, 2009 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler has to look at the situation
and realize that the the starry contracts that Cook is trying to sell him on aren’t indicators of future success. I will go out on a limb and say that nothing matters more to Cutler than winning football games. Does he want to get paid for that? Sure, but the Broncos, and every other team in the league are limited in what they are paying to their best player.
Cook wants the Broncos, or some team, to ignore that dynamic and break the bank for Cutler. Someone else here described it as a “Notch in his pistol” and I think Bus looks at these contracts as just that…he sees himself as an innovator and contractual genius, able to get the world’s best contracts. But the world’s best contract, as good as it is for Bus, doesn’t do Cutler much good if he goes to a team that is dumb enough to pay it, because that team is going to hamstring their ability to pay a TEAM to win football games. Cutler of all people should recognize how important the supporting cast is, because despite his probowl effort last year the Broncos were one of hte worst teams in the league.
For Bus, outside of bigtime rookie contracts, the only time this little infatuation with being the greatest of all time negotiator has ever worked was the 10-year, 100 million dollar contract he arranged for Favre to make him a “Packer-for-life”(and there were also multiple record setting endorsement deals that Cook arranged for contingent upon that contract). But the “Packer-for-life” contract ended up being anything but, because when Favre retired before the contract was up (cutting into Cook’s share of the contract) Cook talked him into going back to a team that had taken moves in the real-world to accomodate life-after-favre(laf), and he ended up giving the whole Favre-Packer relationship a black-eye int eh process, because Cook wanted the situation to play out his way, on his terms, as the master negotiator. So much for Packer-for-life.
What Cutler can’t do is forgo long-range thinking. Cook wants him to live in the emotional state of now because if Cutler thinks about this long-term, he will realize he has the hottest offensive coordinator in the league ready to coach him, an offense loaded with weapons and an offensive line for the ages, and a front-office that is aggressively making the moves that will make Denver’s defense a contender, as soon as is humanly possible, with young players in the draft as a major key, but with historic greats like Dawkins as the spirit of what they are trying to accomplish. There may be no better fit for Cutler in the league.
But what Cook is probably whispering in Cutler’s ear, is that Cutler isn’t in the plans for all of that. He is telling a half-truth, which probably makes him sound pretty convincing. What is half-true is that SOMETHING relating to Cutler is definitely not in the new regime’s plans, and that is a record-setting contract before Cutler hits free agency, which means BUS COOK’S fantasy contract is not in the Broncos’ plans. What is in their plans is their franchise QB, at a fair price that doesn’t ruin the team he needs to lead to championships, amidst labor unrest and an economy that is well on its way into a depression. This is Bus’ fantasy versus the Broncos’ reality.
Reality ALWAYS wins, and Cutler needs to get onto the winning side before he ruins his career.
(And for the record, he may not need to fire Bus for that to happen. Cook has accepted less-than-G.O.A.T. contracts before, and he could again, IF the Broncos get control of the situation. But I think the Cook KNOWS that Cutler is the next great thing, and that he may never have a better shot at his fantasy contract. Something tells me we ain’t seen nothin’ yet from him, in his efforts to see it through…)
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 12, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow. + googleplex.
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by denver_diaspora on Mar 12, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
styg what is a G.O.A.T. contract?
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Mar 12, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Assume it is
Greatest Of All Time = GOAT
by studbucket on Mar 12, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 12, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said!
What Cutler can’t do is forgo long-range thinking.
Or even short-range thinking. If Cutler wants to win, especially this year and next, he should stop worrying about his contract. If Cook nets him a record deal right now, that’s money that we can’t spend on other areas of the team that desperately need it. Bowlen’s checkbook is not bottomless.
Look at a savvy vet like Kurt Warner, offering to give back a million bucks to get Boldin back. Elway took a pay cut to sign Neil Smith. There is a precedent for doing the right thing as a leader on the football team. Twisting the Broncos’ arm in this fashion to get more money is not “just business”. It’s self-sabotage.
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50
by broncosmontana on Mar 12, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck Cutler compares himself to Tom Brady
but Brady took a below market deal to stay with the Pats and help them win more Championships.
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
by Darin H on Mar 12, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've suspected that Cook is the "source close to the situation"
and that he’s been stirring the pot. You’ve put flesh on that theory, and how! It just didn’t make sense that McDaniels would keep alienating Cutler even if he had initially misstepped. From the Broncos’ perspective it must feel like they’ve stepped in quicksand and every attempt they make to get out only gets them in deeper. As long as his shyster lawyer keeps whispering in Jay’s ear, what chance do they (and we) have? Of course, Jay’s no dummy and it’s quite possible that Bus told him up front, “Here’s how you can break the bank. Be prepared to be aggrieved.” Maybe Jay needs to read your piece, because I completely agree, winning is ultimately more important to him than the money. Once you’ve got more money than most of us working stiffs can ever imagine, how much better off can a few million more make you? He needs to understand that if his agent gets his bragging-rights contract and blood money the team, the fans, and ultimately Jay himself are the losers, because no team can throw all its money at one player and still be competitive. Does Jay really want to be the best and best-paid perennial loser of all time? That’s the bottom line that you make beautifully (depressingly?) clear. When I buzzed this article I noticed it already had 37 votes. I hope it gets seen and talked about by a lot of people.
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by spock on Mar 12, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of plausible lines you’ve drawn there….
…and not a particularly encouraging outlook. Thanks for pulling togther some of the context of this soap opera.
by MakeCents on Mar 11, 2009 8:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Styg....great research. Thats waht being an investigative writer is about...
Prokchop, Klis, Lindsey whatever your name is, Clayton, idiot boy Vic Lombardi….take notes from Styg.
Let me tell you Captain, some one from MSM will take this story of yours and run with it.
SO recommended and by connecting the dots you can tell, as amany of us proposed when this all came out, is all about Bus Cook padding his own pockets withe Benjamins.
the guy is an unequivocal arse hole and needs a good kick in the dusters!
Jay, use your brain and drop this moeny sucking leech.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Mar 11, 2009 8:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+gazillion
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy...Just solid guy not souper star break you bank. I turn guy." - Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Mar 11, 2009 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cook and Rosenhaus
two agents ruining the integrity of the game….
by patdawg on Mar 12, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great work
Exceptional work putting this together.
Hit the one in the middle.
by mla2131 on Mar 11, 2009 8:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Meticulous in research
Thoughtful in content, sad as hell i execution. Thanks, styg. I think this wil quiet a few folks and sober others.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 11, 2009 8:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to email you and get you on board for part of it
This kind of reporting is right up your alley. But I wanted to have it done by the time MHR radio was over, and I was afraid we might end up playing email tag.
And there is more out there for anyone who takes the time to look: Randy Moss, Fred Smoot, the “loveboat” incident….
These last three events really lay the groundwork for a “plan” though, and this has had that feeling from the beginning.
I just thoght it was Al Davis , though….
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 11, 2009 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate the thought, styg
but you brought this one home just fine.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 11, 2009 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was involved with the LOVEBOAT INCIDENT??
LMFAO Love him or hate him, I’m starting to think the guy is a legend. ; )
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy...Just solid guy not souper star break you bank. I turn guy." - Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Mar 11, 2009 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lock up your children mothers of Denver, Evil has a new name "Bus"
Great work Styg excellent article
by Scotto on Mar 11, 2009 8:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Al Davis was the nemesis of the old regime
As Evil Al’s power waines, Young McJedi needs to find his own nemesis
by Scotto on Mar 11, 2009 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheff
I thought I would google up his client list for 2009, Makes sense that Scheffler is Cooks client as well then.
Really likes to use media melodrama for negotiation doesn’t he the old assbus..
by Scotto on Mar 11, 2009 8:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Based on the Giants articles I read
about the William Joseph holdout, teams and GMs around the league know they are in for the long haul when dealing with Cook. He wants to be the one who lands the BIG deal, and except for rehashing favre and mcnair, he has been a bit short on those kinds of studs.
Cutler is that guy. IF Cutler DID get a huge contract, i don’t doubt that he would earn every penny by the time he was done, but there is something to be said for fiscal responsibility, and the Bronco finally look to be on the right page with that. Cook has to convince organizations that they are in for disaster, and PR disaster is one of the easiest to fake and generate. He is planning on either “Emergency Funding” from the Broncos, or “Emergency Action” involving a trade. But first he needs an emergency.
Scheffler factors in as mid-value card. He could either be added to trade talks, or he could be floated as an “Unhappy camper” another form of PR nightmare, and a source of speculation for next offseason.
For the record, I don’t think Bus Cook would ruin Scheffler just so he could get what he wants out of Cutler. He is bad news, but I would hesitate to call him evil at this point, and I think whatever he does on Tony’s end will be mainly posturing. It would take quite a sack to sacrifice an “innocent” if you will….
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 11, 2009 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
but with his track record we ave seen
nothing is out of the way of the bus. I think that the Haynesworth Contract got to him!
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 11, 2009 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Yeah I was actually wondering how he felt about that.
And I’m sure Rosenhaus used the Hayensworth contract to show the Bills how magnanimous he was being to accept such a paltry sum for T.O.. Agents crack me up!
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy...Just solid guy not souper star break you bank. I turn guy." - Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Mar 11, 2009 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he tried to ruin Scheffler
he’d probably land the biggest lawsuit in NFL history. ; )
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy...Just solid guy not souper star break you bank. I turn guy." - Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Mar 11, 2009 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed 100%
Great post. I have suspected the exact same things based on the Brett Favre “connection”…
by topnation on Mar 11, 2009 8:45 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
who is Saruman?
nice LOTR reference. I say Saruman and Théoden are both Cutler.
by D-fence on Mar 11, 2009 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McD=Aragorn?
Peyton Hillis is definitely Gimli (or, depending on whether or not you’re Silverblood, he might be Legolas :))
Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark
by papigrande on Mar 12, 2009 5:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
has she proposed to him yet?
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 12, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two Paths Possible
The first path (and my preferred one based on decades of Bronco worship) is that Bowlen falls for it and gives Cutler a long term deal as soon as possible as his talent only comes around once a decade.
The second is that McD/X/Bowlen trade the franchise QB before the draft…
My question is, to whom?
I suggest to Detroit for their two first rounders (1 and 20).
We pick up the following:
- 1 – Aaron Curry, OL Wake Forest
- 12 – Tyson Jackson, DE LSU – (IF Raji is gone)
- 20 – Mark Sanchez, QB USC – (Simms starts for the next year…)
- 48 – Ron Brace, DT Boston College
Either way, the Broncos will have to “Pony Up” the cash.
Thoughts anyone?
This is my first night of posting after lurking for a couple of months.
GREAT SITE!!!
by topnation on Mar 11, 2009 8:59 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
welcome!
there is a third option (though it is implicit in your first option) and that is to refuse a trade, to pursue a reasonable extension that reflects Cutler’s production and potential (which would be big bucks, but probably not record-setting big), and see if reason can win the day. I Cutler is advised not to take it, it will be because he could expect a bigger, better contract in free agency.
That is where it gets interesting. Hopefully some of our cap-onomic guys will chime in and let us know what kind of contract situation Jay could expect next year on the open market, what with the CBA and salary-cap problems coming up.
I think that Bowlen is one of the most prepared Owners when it comes to dealing witht eh coming cap situation (he is on the board overseeing the transition, and Xanders seems like a smart cat), so I would like to think that the Broncos will make the best move available to them here, if they have leverage because of the nature of Cutler’s impending free-agency.
ONe thing is for sure though, if the Broncos insist that Cutler play out his contract, just like every other player, and make a solid extension offer that doesn’t hurt the team, then I think that will wrest control from the agent and give it back to Jay and the Broncos.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 11, 2009 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A better option...
would be to refuse any trade and offer to begin negotiations once camp starts. Jay is under contract now, unlike some of the other situations. And a holdout would be suicide in an uncapped year. the Broncos wouldn’t have to pay him and his cap hit would be irrelevant.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 11, 2009 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting, SWG!
The plot thickens. There’s impetus for Cook to act now, no?
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy...Just solid guy not souper star break you bank. I turn guy." - Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Mar 11, 2009 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can only hope!
I agree the third option needs to be shipping Bus out of the picture.
by topnation on Mar 11, 2009 9:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you styg
wow…this is well thought out and researched, with lotsa facts. And you didn’t jump to any wild conclusions, and you didn’t do any name calling. I really really really appreciate the way you went about this. Thank you Thank you Thank you
by JaysGirl on Mar 11, 2009 9:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Can this be emailed to Cutler
Just so that he can see that he’s a pawn. I’ve always suspected it was Cook behind everything and I’ve said so before, but did not know of all the extenuating circumstances.
Thanks, Styg.
A little bit of a misnomer, for you will find no solace here.
by solace on Mar 11, 2009 9:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I Was Just Telling a Friend This Evening
That I thought Bus Cook was behind all of this. Turns out I might be right!
Great job on all this research styg! Rec’d and Buzz’d!
by studbucket on Mar 11, 2009 9:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
We're going to learn a lot about Cutler and McDaniels
by seeing how this all plays out. That is, can McDaniels keep the locker room together, and will Cutler yield to temptation to exploit the situation for $$$.
Jay doesn’t strike me as a money first guy but money can do strange things to people. There is a reason he went with Bus Cook to begin with, after all. I hope we’ll see some common sense and some control exerted over his agent. As much as I love and support Jay, I have to question how loyal he is at this point since Shanny has left town. That’s not a criticism — I can understand how he must be feeling about a completely new system, which might as well be a new team. But it seems very clear to me now that Jay and Bus are pouncing on an opportunity to net a record sum for his services. The most obvious landing point I can see, if it were up to Bus, would be the Jets: big market, big payoff, already have groundwork laid with the organization after Favre’s stint there.
Anyway, absolutely stellar work, Styg. I’m curious, someone earlier mentioned that Bus Cook has had a similar history representing players in European soccer. Did you come across anything noteworthy there?
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy...Just solid guy not souper star break you bank. I turn guy." - Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Mar 11, 2009 9:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Not only did I rec and buzz
You actually compelled me to open a Digg account and dug it there as well!
http://digg.com/football/The_Soil_From_Which_Record_Setting_NFL_Contracts_Grow
This must be known!!!! Great job again, Styg.
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy...Just solid guy not souper star break you bank. I turn guy." - Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Mar 11, 2009 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also posted
on NFL.com’s blog and I even sent a link to Woody P. I’ll let you know if I hear back from him.
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50
by broncosmontana on Mar 11, 2009 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was me...
as far as I know Cook doesn’t represent any European soccer players, but my general point was that his tactics are from the same playbook used by sports agents the world over to leverage more more money on behalf of their clients.
In Europe, the usual result is that a club will pony up to extend a player’s contract rather than let him disrupt the team or go for nothing in free agency. The next season or one after they will trade him on to another team at a substantial profit. By then, the fans will be conditioned to expect the trade. Only the very best and mentally toughest player’s are able to produce at a consistant level from club to club – most don’t, and when removed from their comfort zone aren’t the same player they used to be.
Styg50: Great article and a nice piece of investigative writing. For those who didn’t see my comment on TSG’s article, an independet report in the UK found that newspapers do around 10-20 of their own investigative reporting. The other 80% is just a pure rewrite of stories from PR and wire agencies – who freely admit their role is to either ‘sell on ’news’ or get their client’s P.O.V. into the media. At no point in the news supply chain is anything verified for truthfulness – that costs time and money and requires the journo to do some work – so it is largely left to us, the reader to sort out the truth. That, my Bronco firiends, is how easy it is for Cook and others like him to manipulate the media.
Rec’d, buzzed, straight to the top.
by orangecrush22 on Mar 12, 2009 4:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks OC
Figures, I remembered it was you only after I posted the above. Appreciate the insight you shared in the other thread.
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50
by broncosmontana on Mar 12, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
This is the best post I have ever read in its combination of research, inference, building a case, timeliness, interest, and it’s well-written to boot! Styg, you are my hero. There are “journalists” and journalists who will lose their jobs because they were scooped by you. Excellent, excellent post. Highly Recommended.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Mar 11, 2009 9:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Article!
I suspected that Cook was using the media for his own agenda and that this was all being orchestrated by him. Great job at bringing Cook’s past history to light, it really validates my suspicions.
We can only hope that Cook is playing Cutler, as many have suggested, because that means there’s a chance that Cutler wakes up and realizes this. My fear is that Cutler is completely on board with Cook’s latest plan. That being said, I’d rather see this end in a contract extension (even an eye-popping one), than in a trade.
by c_style on Mar 11, 2009 9:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great work Styg. Thanks.
This really brings things to light.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Mar 11, 2009 9:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
We should try to spread this
You should post this all over the MSM to get publicity
and start a virtual chant: Fire Bus!!
so that word gets to Cutler
by RiG on Mar 11, 2009 9:59 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd AND Buzzed.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Mar 11, 2009 10:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd AND Buzzed.
Good Stuff Styg
"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
Vince Lombardi
by Denver_Native on Mar 11, 2009 10:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I love parallels!
Thanks for the insight!
My roots are in Denver and my branches in Nebraska.
by Blackshirt4Broncos on Mar 11, 2009 10:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't post much around here
…but I’ll pop out of the woodwork for this one. fantastic post, someone should send a copy to cutler ASAP.
by thedoctor on Mar 11, 2009 10:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
this is the scenario i’ve been subscribing to since the “unnamed source” b.s. broke out. unfortunately, it appears cook has jay’s ear, whether the broncos tried to actively trade him(doubtful) or not. then you have mcd’s side of things where he is now, pretty much, shanahan. add in some ego’s, and here we are. i do believe both sides have always wanted jay to be a bronco, but when you put money, lies, and bravado into it, you end up with this. one thing is clear to me: someone doesn’t want this to work out, and it appears to be cook. i think it’s time for bowlen to step in and do something, already. maybe even get a real gm to handle these things, if he chooses not to. this should have been dealt with already, and the relative silence from dove valley is very troublesome. now, we have a showdown on monday that can seriously screw things up for the worse. it appears the broncos(and cook) are letting this all happen. can someone step up to the plate, please?
taste my blintzkrieg!
2009-year of the defense.
by davecheffy on Mar 11, 2009 10:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you missed the point of the article
The Broncos can’t do anything because Cook is basically holding them hostage. It doesn’t matter what the Broncos say or do if Cook is there to mess it up (by leaking inaccurate information, etc.). And don’t say it isn’t possible, because this article details three examples of him doing just that.
by adamriggs on Mar 11, 2009 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bus Cook is missing something big...
If this is all some charade generated to back the Broncos into the corner, Mr. Cook has sorely over estimated the public perception of his boy. Culter is niether a folksy good old boy beloved by even rival fans like Farve, nor the picture of class trailblazer he had in Steve McNair. Ultimately, teams get trapped in corners by their fans and by NFL fans in general. Jeff George proved that immensely talented guys can get tossed around like a hot potato at the will of the league as long as the fans aren’t sympathetic to the player. Julius Peppers is learning how fan perception drives the market right now.
Unfortunately, as it stands now, Cutler’s rep is smeared in a way that he might never shake. Nobody even cares that none of the information about either party is substantiated, they’re just running with the double whammy McX is and idiot and Cutler is a spoiled, petulant brat. Nobody will win hearts and minds on this one, just as nobody was prepairing a ticker tape parade for the winner of the war between Iran and Iraq.
You should have folded, Bus. The house always wins eventually.
by PredominantlyOrange on Mar 11, 2009 10:21 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree that this is just going to tarnish Cutler’s rep even further, but I also believe that it won’t keep him from landing that huge contract. He has all the tools to be the next great QB in this league and someone is going to pay up. I just hope it’s us.
by c_style on Mar 11, 2009 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
Its just the long drawn out, twisting in the wind part that I hate.
You’re a foul one, Mr. Cook.
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy...Just solid guy not souper star break you bank. I turn guy." - Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Mar 11, 2009 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm 100% a Cutler guy if...
…he shows up, business as usual. I’d be all for Denver giving him the huge deal. If he doesn’t show up, I’ll trust the Broncos to do what ever needs to be done. I doubt Cook had this in mind, but Cutler can rise from the ashes and win everybody over by kicking rear as a Denver Bronco next year. In a strange way, this is Cutler’s chance to become a bonafide star. I hope he takes it. I don’t see him overcoming the bad rep any place else. He’ll know pressure like never before if he forces a trade.
by PredominantlyOrange on Mar 11, 2009 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what...
In a strange way, this is Cutler’s chance to become a bonafide star.
I have to agree. Now that the favre is gone they need a new media poster boy! This could be Denver’s ticket into the HOF. hmmmmmmmm
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 11, 2009 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL +1
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50
by broncosmontana on Mar 12, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I don't get is...
… wouldn’t Jay have landed a record deal anyway in a few years? Why press this now, with a new HC and his first moves looking so promising?
Maybe Cut’s worried that a few years of bumps learning a new system will take some of the luster and leverage away from him. That’s a poor position to take, unless you’re an agent making 10%.
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50
by broncosmontana on Mar 12, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember
this isn’t just a high dollar contract. When it gets signed, the plan is that it will be the Largest Contract in NFL History, technically or straight up. For that to happen, history shows two elements are necessary: the QB has to be arguably the best playing currently, and there has to be a sense of urgency to the signing.
The urgency takes care of itself, in the form of salary cap ramifications from the CBA trouble that is just around the bend. Couple that with Cook’s nom de plume “Mr. Drama”, and the situation can look dire indeed…
But to be the best in the biz, a couple of things can’t happen, and they WOULDN’T have even come up if Shanny hadn’t been fired, since Shanahan would have been more than happy to pay Jay too much money. Our team wasn’t competitive even without paying Jay scads, so it wouldn’t have made much of a difference. One thing that can’t happen, is that Jay can’t have a poor contract year. It is a possibility with a new coach, new defense and new system to run. I don’t think it is much of a possibility, but Cutler and his agent would need to consider it.
The other thing that absolutely cannot happen, is Jay cannot be mentioned in the same breath with another, lesser QB. To the degree that denver would listen to an offer for Cassell, that directly subtracts from Cutler’s value, not on the field, like many of us know, but to the marketplace. It is hard to be the Best Up and coming QB in the game when you might be interchangeable with a guy who is utterly average.
Notice what got Cook into tizzies in the other sagas: Rodgers told he is the starter in GB and Vince Young drafted by TEN. IF Cook perceives Cutler’s value falling in anyway in the marketplace, he is obligated to address it. But with every team feeling the economic bite, he knows next year may not come soon enough.
Cook is trying to stamp out fires by starting new fires. Anyone who has ever tried to put out wildfires knows that fire can be a useful tool in that effort, in the form of a backburn, burning something before the fire can get to it, starving it of fuel. But it is a practice dictated by the lay of the land and prevalent weather conditions. When money was flying around, go ahead and do a huge backburn, it’ll probably work out. But right now the ill winds of the economy and the CBA are shifting, and a storm is coming. This is no time to be playing with fire.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 12, 2009 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"One thing that can’t happen, is that Jay can’t have a poor contract year. "
Isn’t Cutler under contract with the Broncos through 2011?
You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra
by bradley on Mar 12, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
the idea being he has to get an extension from the Broncos based on his play this year. But yes, I have been using reference to 2010 as his “key” year too liberally. 2011 will be his traditional leaguwide contract year.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 12, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should clarify
that I think Bus’ first order of business is to try and get the record extension from the Broncos. Tradetalks are the leverage for creating an emergency situation and the sense of urgency. Because the deal needs to be done sooner than later, Bus probably feels like Jay is not well positioned for regular contract talks, so he is turning the heat up on the burner now.
I think he feels a window of opportunity is closing because of where his client’s contract lies on the CBA timeline relative to what he wanted to do with that contract, and he is trying to be proactive about it. I don’t have a problem with that at all. What is bothersome is his methods, where he manipulates both parties into false positions, that neither really hold, and their inconsistency at holding these false positions ends up undercutting their credibility.
If these talks could just be about what the best offer the Broncos could make is, and when they should make it, all would be well in Bronco land, even if we were in danger of losing cutler due to cost. But as is, the situation is unnecessary and untenable. When the books are finally balanced, whatever additional money is in Cutler’s contract, here or elsewhere, will be offset by the payments for grief endured by the organization throughout the process.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 12, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I find interesting is...
that the Broncos organization doesn’t seem to be buying into Cook’s manufactured drama. While the local sports media and fans are spinning out of control, the Broncos seem to be acting very “business as usual.” I am getting the sense that the Broncos may just call Cutler/Cook’s bluff on this one.
The Broncos have the cap room to eat. But Jay can’t afford to sit out, or to ride the pine if he’s going to get a “GOAT” contract. This could be very stressful for the fans, but the Broncos actually have the upper hand in many ways.
BTW: Cook may be a former BI attorney, but Mr Bowlen is a former oil and gas attorney. My money’s on Bowlen.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 12, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA HA
Cook may be a former BI attorney, but Mr Bowlen is a former oil and gas attorney. My money’s on Bowlen.
That made me laugh out loud.
I think they are going to call the bluff. I am not going to say start Simms but if it comes down to it and we start him i will be okay with it. I said this about Brandon Marshall and I will say it for Jay too as the situation dictates. IF (i hate that word as does Guru) Jay and Bus decide to “hold out” on us than I say make him ride the bench and start Simms. I have a feeling we are going to get into the play offs this year, maybe its optimism but I really didn’t feel that way last year so I am going with my feeling this year. Anyway, if Simms leads us to the playoffs and say a 9-7 or 10-6 record, then we have really called Cook’s bluff because his boy sat and we still won! I know it is not a kind tactic but Cook is pulling out the stops I say we do too!
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 12, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holdouts for dummies?
Hey SWG,
In this and other comments, you show that you understand holdouts, impacts of the uncapped year, etc. Would you have the time to put together a FanPost that outlines what would happen if Jay held out? I’ve tried to get a handle on this but my usual research techniques (aka Google) haven’t been very useful.
by Snaggins on Mar 12, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Tool's Tools
I am tired of hearing about talent and arm strength. Cutler will never be considered one of the best until he is viewed as a classy QB. Even now I read MSM articles about the best QBs, Cutler is lucky to break the top 8. McNabb and Romo and Roethlisburger and Warner and even Farve this year were all considered to be better QBs than Cutler, yet Cutler has more talent than all of them. Cutler is more athletic than Cassel and Brady and Manning(s) and Rivers but still Cutler is not looked at in the same light. Cutler needs to learn how to be more than his talent, his talent is what is holding him back at this point.
Sorry, i’m so frustrated with Cutler. I think i need to take a vacation. . .
by D-fence on Mar 11, 2009 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
STYG
Excellent my friend excellent! Shame we can just pull a madden, switch his position and then sign him to a less than stellar contract cause well he sucks at the new position! Man I miss my madden days sometimes! As to those of you who want to know about English soccer boys, he has ruined many a career to the point that none of the younger players (16-25) have him as an agent!
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 11, 2009 10:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Read this.
Panthers released CB Ken Lucas.
Carolina began the day with $24,042 in cap space. The move saves $2.4M, so GM Marty Hurney can now sign his rookie class. Lucas was nearly traded two weeks ago, so clearly the 30-year-old is going to have a market. Perhaps the Broncos would be a potential suitor if Lucas was three years older.
Ouch………..
by Calibroncoboy on Mar 11, 2009 10:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent work Styg!
Rec’d, buzzed, and Dugg.
After the recent conference call with only 5 people on it and the contents were leaked almost immediately, there was no doubt in my mind that the “unnamed source” was Bus Cook.
Here’s a question Jay Cutler needs to think about, does he want to be the highest paid QB ever (for at least a few years until the NextBigThing comes along), or does he want a good deal and Championships? Because if he just wants the money and doesn’t care about anything else, we can ship his mopey rear to Detroit.
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
by Darin H on Mar 11, 2009 11:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought
Could bus be looking to land the largest contract in sports history? I mean i rememebr when A-ROD’s contracts money was a HUGE amount now its only slightly higher than Haynesworths!
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 11, 2009 11:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Its
Nearly three times Haynesworth’s contract…
Great read though, a very intuitive piece.
by Choochoobonewagon on Mar 12, 2009 3:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I meant to say A-ROD’s deal with Texas, not the Yankees
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 12, 2009 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best Post this Offseason
Great post… well researched and written. I love Cutler but it’s hard to continue when he is a pawn in his agents game. No matter what Jay has millions of millions coming to him. Does it matter if its this year or next really?! Show up Monday… play your butt off this season and prove to your team that you are the franchise QB that we all believe you are. Furthermore shoving McD’s off season in the past and forcing the Xman to throw up big dough for you next year… but at least this way you have earned it versus spun the media into a frenzy, turned your biggest fans against you, and pissed off your new coach.
Go BRONCOS!
by Orange_Crush on Mar 11, 2009 11:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the post styg. Great job, as usual.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
by firstfan on Mar 11, 2009 11:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant, simply brilliant
rec’d, buzzed, dug, and enjoyed
by Royal With Cheese on Mar 11, 2009 11:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Journalism!!!
This type of reading between the bullshit, coupled with independent coherent thinking puts every other sports jounalist to shame. Beautiful work.
You're going to find this hard to believe, but I personally feel that it's a lot smarter to leave things to a person's imagination, let him fill things in for himself. When your own mind completes something, it's much more valuable to you, I think.
by poopeddler on Mar 12, 2009 12:10 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The "journalists" won't touch this story with a 12 foot pole
They have too much invested in driving their stories from “unnamed sources.”
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
by Darin H on Mar 12, 2009 12:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent post Styg!
You have given clarity to something that had me scratching my head for days.
It looks like the ball is in Jay Cutler’s court. If he, his father and family come to understand who is finally behind all of this, we will see what really drives Jay Cutter: a love for the game of football and its integrity or the lure of big money. If he takes the route of the most money and is traded like Farve and McNair were, he increases the chances of being a bust and being out of football in a few years. If, however, he decides in favor of what he says he wants – to be a great QB – he will most likely fire Bus Cook. Big choice. What is his life worth to him? What does he really want? Money or Mid-western values. Time to grow up, Jay!
by Blackknigh on Mar 12, 2009 1:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty idealistic when it comes to my Broncos...
Ahhh, nothing gives you more time to think than having the night shift when a baby is sick…can’t believe I’m actually posting at 3:30 a.m CST…but I digress.
When I posted above, I was missing part of the point. It never occured to me that money would trump legacy in some people’s world. I simply can’t relate to that. If a win for Bus Cook is one more huge contract for Cutler, and nothing else really matters, I can better understand this type of tactic. But I have a very hard time seeing Cutler succeed outside of Denver. He will be heavily maligned in pretty much every circle outside of whatever team gets him, and the pressure for him to produce immediate results will be suffocating. If he is as thin skinned as he is portrayed by the rumor mongers at DPO, he’s going to have one tough road to hoe. Couple that with the fact that the Lions are a real possibility and the odds are that Cutler will become the new Jeff George and his name will always be associated negatively instead of positively. He’ll go from Clady and Harris to a rookie and Gosder Cheruldis or whatever that dude’s name is. He’ll go from a town that always believes a Super Bowl is possible to one where a playoff appearence is as expected as a world ending astroid strike. I can’t relate to that kind of thinking. In fact, if I already pocketed $17 million by my 25th birthday, money would be well down the list and most certainly below my desire to make a name for myself. Jay Cutler is and can be a superstar in Denver. I’m not sure anybody can succeed in the environment he will create for himself.
Choose to be a name for the ages, Jay. You already have yourself and your future kids set for life. You’ve got a bigger future than being another mark on Bus Cook’s pistol.
by PredominantlyOrange on Mar 12, 2009 2:48 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well spoken, PO!
When I was dealing with my hypoglycemia, I read an interview with Muhammed Ali that included him speaking to how he dealt with diabetes/hypoglycemia (I don’t remember the exact details). I called the local library and obtained an address to write him. In my letter, I suggested the things that I did to mollify the effects of hypoglycemia in my body. He wrote me back with a this:“Service to others is the rent we pay for our place in the hereafter.” He signed it “The Champ” and drew a boxing ring beside his name.
Jay Cutler has an outstanding opportunity to influence many lives for the positive. I hope that he chooses the one of greater service.
by Blackknigh on Mar 12, 2009 3:45 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks ski.
I always enjoy your comments. Look forward to more of them.
by Blackknigh on Mar 12, 2009 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Styg...
You have enlightened me on the main aspect of money and made me realize that it is a far bigger part of this whole fiasco than I previously thought.
Nevertheless, there is one little aspect in this whole thing that I wanted to mention that I don’t think has been previously talked about very much. And that is the supposed trade that Cutler demanded that Peter King mentioned in his column about a week ago. Assuming it is true, there are two important points to this:
1) I would bet, considering the backlash in the media over McDaniels “entertaining” of the Cutler trade, that the Broncos deliberately leaked this info in order to limit some of the damage that was being done to them. The leak was impeccably timed and it benefited the Broncos, therefore it most likely had to be deliberate. Also, some people have implied or questioned whether or not someone in the Broncos organization has been leaking unauthorized information to the press during this situation. If so, then why hadn’t this story come out earlier? Because the Broncos had no intention of trading Jay Cutler, but also because there was no one on the inside deceptively giving up classified information.
2) Cutler, as far as I know, has never denied demanding a trade after Shanny was fired. I’m pretty sure that Jay hasn’t even talked to the press since the news of the trade demand came out. That would leave his agent to do the denying. But what did his agent say? He reportedly, “told The Associated Press that he doesn’t think his client has ever asked the Broncos for a trade.” The key words are “he doesn’t think.” Now doesn’t that sound like wishy-washy lawyer talk. Come on! As Jay’s right hand man all he can say is that “he doesn’t think” Jay ever demanded a trade. I think someone’s being a little less than honest with us.
In summary, these two points show us that Cook is the man behind the mask (sources) and that he most likely can’t be trusted. But I guess we already knew that.
It’s getting late in NZ and i’m not sure if i’m making sense but all I really wanted to point out is that something is fishy here and Styg is on to something. I believe that these are just a few more points that build a bigger and better case in revealing the true intentions of Bus and Jay.
by Kapiti on Mar 12, 2009 4:55 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Lawyer speak
Did I mention that Cook is a Personal Injury Lawyer? :) I’m not kidding.
Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 12, 2009 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good grief!
This guy is a caricaturist’s dream. My personal image of him naturally has an ambulance in it, with him in hot pursuit.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Mar 12, 2009 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted this comment elsewhere on message boards...
But figured it should go here. I talked about this on MHR Radio, and this story goes along with last night’s show. Styg and I are sneaky like that….
In short, I believe that Bus Cook has been the "source close to the situation" from Day 1.
I believe that Bill Belichick was beginning to get nervous about what his $14 million backup quarterback could garner on the open market. I think he placed a phone call to the Broncos based in large part to the relationship McD had with Cassel. To me, it is telling that the Bucs had no interest in Cassel, as bad as their QB situation is, and only got involved when Cutler’s name was mentioned.
Go back to that Friday night. It is reported on NFL Network that Cassel has been traded to the Bucs for the #19 pick. No talk of another team.
ON Saturday, Cassel is traded to KC. Still, no talk about the Broncos. After the trade hits, NOW rumors start to swirl that there was a bigger deal on the table.
I believe the Broncos got a phone call, and they listened. You never know when the Herschel Walker or Ricky Williams trade offer is going to be made. Bus Cook finds out and sees a HUGE dollar sign. There are also the Peter King rumors that Cutler had asked out after Jeremy Bates left. Conjecture, sure, but you can’t believe Bill Williamson one minute, but not Peter King.
Wanting to control where his client ends up he asks the Broncos for permission to talk to teams and is denied. Why? Because the Broncos don’t want to trade Cutler or they would have.
Cook, pissed about not being allowed to discuss trades with other teams, "leaks" the Cassel talks, saying the Broncos are "actively" shopping Cutler.
The same thing happens with this phone call. The call takes place sometime Monday and "the source" waits until Tuesday afternoon to mention that the situation has gone from "bad to worse". Six people were on the phone that day — Joe Ellis, Pat Bowlen, McD, Xanders, Cutler and Cook. You tell me who leaked it.
As he has done in the past, Cook is using the story, and the negative pub it is giving the team, to get a big contract, either in Denver or somewhere else.
I understand it is much easier to simply bash McD, and Cook knows this. I don;t think he orchestrated anything with Tampa. It think he turned a phone conversation that happens every day in the NFL into an opportunity to get his client paid in a big way.
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by John Bena on Mar 12, 2009 5:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks SG for that...
It all seems totally reasonable and I agree. I didn’t get to hear that today because I was at school teaching and the hours are way too different from here to there to be able to listen to it. I’ll have to read it again tomorrow and think about it some more since it’s 12:30 AM in NZ and my mind and body need some rest. Good night to me and good morning to you.
by Kapiti on Mar 12, 2009 5:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read by Cutler
I hope this post and all the comments are read by Jay Cutler. Soon.
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by firstfan on Mar 12, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowlen is a Bonehead
Yes, but there wouldn’t be a saga if the idiot for an owner had simply come out and said this was all bogus.
by CutlerWillWinTheSuperBowl on Mar 12, 2009 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, this is it.
This is what I came back into the past to tell you guys. Bus Cook is the snake in the grass in all of this, which is why Cutler fires him after the 2010 season when Cook tries to persuade him to hold out. Anyway, buzzed up with every Yahoo account that I will ever own ;)
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by Papi From the Future on Mar 12, 2009 5:26 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I just got back from doing all that stuff.
Took about a year. So now I guess that I’m papi from 7 years in the future. But now I’m splitting hairs. Anyway, papi, when you go back to Atlantis, remember that the pit of fury is an actual pit with furious things in it. You don’t want to go in there, no matter how many rupies they offer you. (Rupies are Atlantian currency, and I also incorporated them into The Legend of Zelda. See, told you I’d invent Nintendo.)
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by Papi From the Future on Mar 12, 2009 5:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phenomenal piece, Styg
Buzzed and Rec’d, and emphatically so. I haven’t had time to read all of the comments yet, but that is some fine work Styg. I felt all along that the Cutler situation reeked of the Cook/Favre connection of recent years, but I didn’t realize this was all part of a regular act on Cook’s part.
by Douglas A. Lee on Mar 12, 2009 7:01 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
News Paper
This was a great article. I 100 percent believe that this needs to be posted in the newspaper! Spread it to the world even further. I’m pretty sure Jay is reading all he can about all of this, and if he reads this…it may surprise him that he has been discovered. haha. This very well could turn things around.
by DailyDose on Mar 12, 2009 9:27 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
well
meticulously researched, no “unnamed sources”
carefully and cohesively explained, readable and substantive.
great piece man.
no wonder newspapers are rotting in the streets.
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by denver_diaspora on Mar 12, 2009 9:52 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
articles like this
is why newspapers are dying
well played, sir
by lolcopter on Mar 12, 2009 10:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Styg, fantastic job here
I’ve been saying that the Favre drama and Cutler drama have plenty of parallels.
I really believe that Cook is behind this.
I looked for it this morning, but at one point, I could have SWORN that I read or heard a quote from Cutler or Cook that had something to do with “…maybe they’re not sure they can afford my/his upcoming contract…” or something similar.
To me, that’s the evidence that Cook is orchestrating something bigger than just this little catty drama lesson.
He’s positioning Cutler for a giant salary in a few years. If that’s the case, maybe the smart thing is to do the deal in midseason.
On a different note, I’ve come to the conclusion that every NY Jets fan is legitemately convinced that there’s some chance Cutler will be wearing their jersey by preseason. So funny.
by super7 on Mar 12, 2009 10:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Tampa Bay, NY Giants, and NY Jets
Will all be teams we hear about, i think. They are involved in all of Cook’s high profile trade talks. He has connection in those orgs somehow, and he can yank them like yoyos.
Interestingly, the dynamic is always the same: Tampa Bay is the suitor who just falls short. The Giants always make the “savvy” deal. The Jets always make the “big splash”. It is freaking eerie.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 12, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point...
Tampa fell short on the Favre thing, as you point out. Giants are a well run organization and the Jets are the typical second team in a huge sports town. They’re the Clippers/Nets/Islanders/White Sox/Mets of the NFL and if they don’t make a splash, they won’t get talked about.
The NFL needs to investigate “sources” when unnamed. On the other hand, this is fantastic, juicy news for NFL.com and NFL network, so I guess they are perfectly happy not citing their sources.
Sacrificing credibility for buzz was once what the little papers and magazines did, but now the big boys do it. What’s the fan next door supposed to think?
by super7 on Mar 12, 2009 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post needs to be emailed to Culter....ASAP
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by weazel on Mar 12, 2009 4:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Best Article In Ages, Broncos Fans Reunite!
I am only 22, but this is the best sports article I have read…
This story has been around not even 2 weeks but it has pitted Broncos fans against each other for no real reason. There are the McX skeptics and the Cutler bashers being twirled into an angry tornado of illogical posts by Broncos fans on every site I have been on. I have wondered why there weren’t more people like TSG and styg out there looking for who was behind all of this. I knew Cook was in on the Favre saga but not any of these other things, but that is besides the point.
This is the first post since the story broke where nobody has said anything about McX vs. Cutler and for that I am grateful. I wish the MSM would pick up on this article but unfortunately blaming the agent doesn’t sell news papers and boost the ratings… Swirling rumors and citing unnamed “sources close to Cutler and the Broncos” just makes for better news, like it or not (hey were getting more coverage than the Cowboys for once!).
I think a lot of sports blogs have the tendency to go off the facts the MSM puts out without doing any research of their own. That is certainly not the case in this article and in general for the MHR which is why I read it. Thank you for that styg and TSG.
Now let us hope that Cutler shows up Monday ready to go.
by patdawg on Mar 12, 2009 5:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Linking the article
Styg50 – do you think they will link your article outside of MHR (to Yahoo sports etc.)? I also recommended the article.
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by wyoeng on Mar 12, 2009 7:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Outside the Lines...
Someone on here has to have a connection to the Outside the Lines program. This is a story right up their ally. In a perfect world…
by adamriggs on Mar 12, 2009 10:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent, Excellent, Excellent
This is possibly the best article that I’ve ever read. It’s certainly the most informative on this subject. The “professional” journalists could take a few notes. It certainly seems plausible, and in fact likely, that Cook is angling to get himself paid here like he has in the past. What a shame. I can only hope that it’s with the Broncos.
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by wtnelson on Mar 13, 2009 2:00 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Another Point of View
Cook maybe the one sharing the news but I doubt it. Everyone has a friend who they share such details with. Friends share with friends… Friends spin the story… Cook gets the blame for the whole thing.
The Broncos are trying to save face. They know Rear Coach McDaniels blew his chance for reconciliation in the conference call. Is Owner P. Bowlen, or Chief Oscillating Officer Ellis, Rear Coach McDaniels or General Mess Xander going to break party lines? I doubt it.
EVERYONE KNOWS BOWLEN BLEW IT IN HIRING MCDAINELS…
EVERYONE KNOWS MCDAINELS BLEW IT IN TRYING TO TRADE CUTLER…
EVERYONE KNOWS CUTLER IS GOING TO BLOW IT IF HE DOESN’T LET THE COACH OFF THE HOOK…
There has to be an exit door for everyone to save face. Cook is the fall guy. He is the one to blame this whole mess on. RESULT – Cutler shows on Monday. McDaniels shares a little blame. Cutler shares a little blame. Everyone kisses and makes up. Bowlen goes back to his hole.
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by voicewithin on Mar 13, 2009 4:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
This is an asinine reply.
Personally, I still like the hiring of Mcdaniels.
by Papamag on Mar 14, 2009 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Styg...
Interested in becoming a police detective? Excellent observations and deductions.
Rec’d of course.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 13, 2009 1:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
Anyone else noticed that the only 2 Bronco players that have been openly talked about as being on the trade block are both represented by Cook?
This tells me that there is no real basis for any of the drama that has been so overplayed over the last 2 weeks.
by Papamag on Mar 14, 2009 7:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I have got to stop going out of town!
Every time I do crap hits the fan! Best.Post.Ever Thank you styg!
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by Tim Lynch on Mar 16, 2009 1:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Could one say that Cutler is about to be thrown under the (ahem) Bus?
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by AZDynamics on Mar 23, 2009 10:48 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I can still comment on this!
Neat! Good times here, Styg. I have a feeling that this’ll end up in the MHR Hall of Fame.
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by papigrande on Mar 26, 2009 5:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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