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In defense of Jay Cutler (and why he has to be traded)

I am not going to try to say that Cutler is blameless in this situation or that he could not have handled things better, but I have been reading some of the posts/comments and have been surprised to see how quickly people have completely turned on him.  I appear to be part of a small minority that thinks that Cutler has not really done anything that egregiously wrong so far (obviously Monday could change things).

IMO, the biggest reason for this discrepancy is a difference in our perception about Cutler's complaints.  It seems that quite a lot of people are stuck on this idea that Jay Cutler thinks that he is untradeable, entitled to his spot, above the team, etc..  I just don't buy that basic premise.  I think Cutler was surprised initially and made comments about being shocked/hurt to hear his name came up in trade talks, but as he has subsequently said the issue for him is a matter of trust and the feeling that he was lied to by McDaniels and the Broncos organization. 

I don't know if Cutler is right to feel that way (and frankly he would be deservedly ripped for publicizing the details necessary to prove he is justified in his belief), but I do believe that it is an honest feeling. You may disagree or think it is a smokescreen and you may be right and all the speculation from experts and the comments from anonymous sources may be correct. But I am going to wait for Jay Cutler himself to say or do something before I change my mind.

Unfortunately if there is a lack of trust, it will not be too productive for the Broncos and Cutler to stay together.  Cutler is still a work in progress and needs refining and coaching to become a truly elite QB.  But a large part of successful coaching is convincing a player to have enough faith to make the coach's changes/adjustments even if the player does not see the short term gains.  Among players and coaches with no past history, the player can still have an unconcious fear/distrust of what he is being told and will resist the coaching.  If there is actual, active distrust of the coach by the player, I just don't see how they can coexist productively so unless things actually get resolved (not just patched up) I think it is best for both parties to go their separate ways.

 

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What is Jay's complaint with the Broncos?
Doesn't trust the team
27 votes
Thinks he is too good to trade
14 votes
A bit of both
30 votes

71 votes | Poll has closed

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I dont know what his complaint is

that is the problem for me the story changes day to day

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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 15, 2009 8:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Here is my problem....

The cushiness of the “I have been misled by the organization” excuse is the only resolution that it seems there is for the Broncos to “prove” their loyalty – a new contract. I’m not 100% certain that is necessary, but the fact that Cutler insists Cook be part of any talks leads me to believe that is the case.

The Broncos just aren’t going to redo a deal that has 3 years left, especially this year that is extremely cap friendly. So, ’round and ’round we go…..

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by John Bena on Mar 15, 2009 8:06 PM MDT reply actions  

can't argue with that

As I said, I may be wrong. I have just not seen any real proof to back it up. Just lots of speculation. Not that a lot of the speculation does not have logic behind it.

Just to show how any detail can be looked at as perfectly innocent or having ulterior motives is the Bus Cook angle. If I were in Cutler’s shoes I would want to make sure I had a witness I trusted for any conversation with the organization (even if only to have someone make sure that I did not misinterpret and feel misled again)

by MattR on Mar 15, 2009 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can understand that...

in the “real” world. In this case, Cutler is under contract and let’s face it, if he stays and plays he will be the starting QB of the Broncos.

Cutler/Cook don’t care if they are traded. They care about WHERE they would be traded. That is Cook’s issue. If a trade happens I’m sure a new deal would be part of the equation. To me, in my opinion, this still comes down to the same issue that it did 10 days ago — Does Jay Cutler want to be a Denver Bronco. If the answer is ‘YES’, this will get worked out. If the answer is “NO” or “NOT UNLESS THERE IS A NEW CONTRACT”, well, #6 jersey prices are going to go down….

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by John Bena on Mar 15, 2009 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Guru I have a problem with your attitude about this.

On the one hand you talk about Cutler committing to the team and the. You talk about him wanting to be a Bronco. On the other hand you tell Cutler that it’s just business get over it. Anyone can be traded.

Dude, it’s either one or the other. Cutler can’t “want” to be a Bronco anymore than the Broncos (Owner/GM/coach) want him to be a Bronco. It would make no sense, and it would put him in a position of weakness.

Did Dawkins want to be an Eagle? Sure. But the team didn’t want him enough.

Did LT want to be a Bolt? Yes, but only so long as they could work something out. the owner stepped in and fixed it, otherwise LT had a list of teams he was ready to move to. Marvin Harrison on the other hand would rather be released than rework his deal.

It isn’t always money. I am a strong believer in individual rights, and when it comes to a team vs player, the player has power too. Ask the NFLPA and look in the CBA. Cutler has every right to be unhappy about a situation and act accordingly. Some people do not take well to being insulted by their Boss and being told they have to deal with it—that is called dignity. I have walked out of 3 jobs and I have been better off for it, even though I loved my coworkers and the company was good.

A player cannot be a fan of the team. He is part of the team until he has reason to stop wanting to be there. And in a league that team almost never fully fulfill contract, Cutler has every right to break his. This is a human issue.

Eli had every right to refuse to play for the Bolts, even if it was simple personal preference, and he made the right decision—the ring is solid proof.

As a fan YOU HAVE every right to hate Cutler’s or call him anything you want, but you cant expect him to love the team the way you do Now. Frankly, maybe you wouldn’t be such a great fan if the team just punched you in the face and rather than trying to fix it they gave you a kick to the groin (I assume that Culter feels the same, otherwise he wouldn’t act this way).

RE MHR radio: I don’t believe any former player who is a TV Analyst. They are showmen not sportsmen. And you can tell that they often say things they don’t believe in just to make the show work. When Ashley Lelie was holding out (and in his case he clearly was not justified) Rod Smith said he believed that players should take care of their business however they see fit. I think he would say the same now.

Last, many coaches have been wrong in the past. So just because Cutler is at odds with the coach I won’t assume that he is wrong or against the team … Cam Camron, who was a very good OC with the Chargers, was a total disaster as the HC in Miami. Boby Patrino had a power trip in Atlanta and totally mistreated his players; do I need to remind you about that mess? And these are just the most recent ones.

Dan Reeves vs Elway was great too. And just because Cutler is still young doesn’t mean that we aren’t making that same type of mistake. Would you have said that Manning was tradeable in his 3rd season? Trading Cutler is much the same. How is it the 3 coaches have changed in Indy but none felt like they needed to get their own QB or put Manning down? In his 4th season Manning had 26TDs to 23INTs. Should he have been traded for being such a bad decision maker?

I don’t know who is at fault. Very rarely there is one guilty partner. Cutler’s early complaints could have been the root cause of all this. And while Cutler might have bought into it later, McD could have lost trust in Cutler because of those comments about Bates etc. Or McD could have started off trying to put Jay in his place for having made those comments, just to clarify who is in charge. Coaches often do that one way or another. I just wish McD had done it Tomlin style, rather than Belecheat/Parcell’s style. Either way some friction was inevitable, but this is regrettable. McD could feel totally justified, and believe that he acted completely within his rights as a coach. But then, so did all the coaches I mentioned above.

Just because something is in his power doesn’t mean he is right to do it.

Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.

by amirebram on Mar 15, 2009 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed SG!

That, “I was mislead by the organization” whine lasted for about a week. Despite the fact that reports continue to come out supporting the FO’s version, JC/BC cling to this pretext. Given Cook’s history it’s hard not to suspect that this is all a ploy to try an extort a contract extension out of Bowlen.

I think we should park his ass on the bench for a year then trade him to Shanahan wherever he winds up (although I’m not sure that’s fair to Shanny).

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 15, 2009 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

What has come out?

We have absolutely no idea why Jay feels misled. What did McDaniels tell Cutler after Bates was let go (or not retained or allowed to move on or whatever)? Did he try to stroke Jay’s feelings then and overstated how much he loved Jay and thought he was much better than Cassell? Who knows and nobody has given the details to make a determination one way or the other.

by MattR on Mar 15, 2009 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay, but...

a lot of people keep saying that Cutler needs to grow up and realize this is a business. well, maybe he has.

if the Broncos are going to treat Cutler as a piece of “business” maybe Cutler should do the same to the Broncos. is that petulant or immature?

and if we’re all about business, give me a pro bowl 25 year old quarterback who’s in the process of maturation over a 32 year old who hasn’t played or head coached a game ANY day.

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by oxmouth on Mar 15, 2009 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

You know what

     That is a very good statement. I had not thought about it that way, I mean that has been one of the main things people have been saying, to remember its a buissness. Well then I would guess that gives Jay the right as an employee to bargain. Wouldnt we? If I was going to be traded or thought I was, I would like to try and be a factor in where I was going to. The thought of being traded in the first place sucksbut think if he knows it may be Detroit, that would scare the heck outa any player. Im not saying Jay is right but you did give me another way to look at it.

by broncosorbust on Mar 15, 2009 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.

by amirebram on Mar 15, 2009 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

OMG...it's NOT about trust, it's about insecurity and money!

Please dont bring that “poor” Jay BS in here! He (and Cook) are creating a major problem that they’ll never recover. Someone said on another post that if Jay walks he stands to make “Tons” of money. R U kidding, with the way his reputation is being attacked and ridiculed, he’ll be lucky to be wanted anywhere. He’s a whiner, and has shown “ZERO” leadership! If has a problem, why allow “unamed sources” do your talking in public. Do it in privacy like a Manning or Brady! Jay’s living up to his reputation, and this only furthers his demise!

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by Hogblog on Mar 15, 2009 8:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Teams kept paying TO...

as long as Cutler puts up numbers someone will pay him a ton of money.

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by TD4HOF on Mar 15, 2009 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

You assume the unnamed sources are coming from his end

Seems very likely but it would not shock me if it is either people talking out their butt who don’t have inside info or even part of a plot by McDaniels to reduce Cutler’s leverage.

All I know for sure is that Jay himself has not said anything improper, yet.

by MattR on Mar 15, 2009 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Has he actually confirmed that?

Or has some source confirmed to some reporter that they have heard that Jay has decided to skip the workout?

by MattR on Mar 15, 2009 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, it seems like he told McD to trade him, and

that he wouldn’t show monday.

Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.

by amirebram on Mar 15, 2009 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

all this qb drama makes us underappreciate times when we are stable off the field and all we have to worry about are injury problems. u get me??

by Calibroncoboy on Mar 15, 2009 8:22 PM MDT reply actions  

Where did this sordid STUFF come from?

I really don’t blame Cutler. This has, for whatever reason, developed into a question of trust, which will destroy any marriage. It’s just too bad it had to come to this.

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by jcps on Mar 15, 2009 8:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Its not a marriage...

its a business.
The Broncos hold all the cards, Bus knows that, so now not only is he using Cutler he is using Shffler as well.
I find it ludicrous that most facts have come out to support The Bronocs account yet Bus and Cutler continue to beat a dead horse.
Its about money: a new contract here or somewhere else.
He has taken on nthe wrong organization!

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by boydy2669 on Mar 15, 2009 8:50 PM MDT reply actions  

and again,

if it’s a business, why can’t cutler act like a business man, too? what, it’s only okay for bowlen and mcd to act from a business end? nonsense.

also, i don’t agree at all that “most facts have come out to support The Broncos account”. not that clear to me. as a matter of fact, most accounts i’ve read (except for The Broncos PR guy) are saying that The Broncos were shopping cutler.

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by oxmouth on Mar 15, 2009 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

If it's business than act like it....

if Cutler just came out and said, this ain’t gonna work for me; i want a trade. That would be ok with me. It’s the whiny, poor pitiful Jay crap that is completely disingenuous. This isn’t the first QB/HC rift in the game. But cutler keeps trying to say it’s about integrety when all his actions say its about the money.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 15, 2009 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

i think he is acting like it.

and i DON’T think it’s a money issue. not wholly, anyway. it seems to me that he might have gotten the wool pulled over his eyes (notwithstanding his haircut) and that he’s pulling kind of an “okay, you’re saying it’s a business? let’s do business then” routine. i think… not sure… but if i felt my boss was dishonest… i think i’d do the same thing. not for cash but to try to get the truth.

if you’re okay with cutler pulling for a trade, i think you win because that’s exactly what he’s doing. i think it sucks, and we’ll all “enjoy” watching chris simms commandeer the Denver Broncos in a few months.

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by oxmouth on Mar 15, 2009 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

The fact you are overlooking is that this is not a typical business.

Name me one business where you can be traded to a competitor.

I know in my job, I could walk into my boss and tell him I quit. I could then go find other employment as I saw fit (barring a non-compete clause). That is not the case in pro sports. Jay has no leverage. He is leaning on the mercy of the Broncos organization to bail him out, and I for one hope they don’t do it. I would much rather see him benched for the remainder of his contract then cave into his demands (I probably just took it too far. I wouldn’t mind, in a year or so, to trade him.)

by adamriggs on Mar 15, 2009 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

My employer didn't pay me a

7 figure signing bonus with $11 million in guaranteed money either.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 15, 2009 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

your employer sucks.

just kidding. but all i’m saying -since all of us, including myself, are rehashing everything - is that if cutler needs to grow up and realize it’s a business, we shouldn’t criticize him for doing just that and wanting to get out of a company that doesn’t see the value he thinks he has. just business.

and yes, adamriggs, if he ends up sitting on the bench while trying to leverage, that’s his right, too… if it’s all about business.

We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur.—Al Gore

by oxmouth on Mar 15, 2009 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would tell him to be careful what he wishes for

Sure, getting out of Denver may seem great now, but he has no leverage as to where he will end up (even though his agent believes he should).

by adamriggs on Mar 15, 2009 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

absolutely

and if he needs to be traded, i say trade the bastard to detroit. but it cuts both ways, the ‘careful what you wish for’ and i hope mcD. xanders and bowlen are sure of what they’re doing, because no matter what people say cutler’s going to be freaking good, and i think (imho) he’ll win a superbowl or two… somewhere.

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by oxmouth on Mar 15, 2009 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

sorry, i didn't mean the crossout thingy. what the crap button did i hit...

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by oxmouth on Mar 15, 2009 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Name me one Business where the comtract can be broken by the buyer as easy as

teams cut players half way through contracts.

Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.

by amirebram on Mar 15, 2009 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's why they have Guaranteed money.

Guaranteed means they get paid even if they get cut.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 15, 2009 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Even that money isn't guaranteed the way it is baseball

A lot of guys don’t get to see some of those guaranteed money, because it is a guaranty against injury not being cut.

Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.

by amirebram on Mar 15, 2009 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

BTW: All contracts can be broken....

The only question is what does it cost to break them. The contracts the players sign all spell this out for them. Nobody should have any illusions about it. The players are paid large amounts on money on the hope of future performance. If the player is a bust they still get paid for that year. They also get any signing bonuses or other guaranteed money. the tradeoff is that they can be traded or cut. They all should no this going in.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 15, 2009 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yah, but if they overperform they can't

break the contract and ask for more money the way the team can break the contract and pay less money.

A contract has to be held by both sides or be breakable by both sides.

Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.

by amirebram on Mar 15, 2009 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

amen.

of all the organizations in the nfl where you do not want to get into a dispute with the broncos are the last ones you want to. Bowlen has adopted the classic Mike Shanahan philosophy, Xanders the Falcons philosophy and McDaniels the Belichick philosophy. They are in my opinion three of the most effective in the league and we have them all combined in to one package.

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by GarretBarnes on Mar 15, 2009 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hear you Matt R

People here seem to think Jay owes something here, the fact is I am sure Jay understands that any player is tradable in the hypothetical world, but I am also sure that Jay would be somewhat confused and pisse that this team would even entertain the idea. Again, I say what has he done to merit the idea:

1) Has he not perfromed well, seems like he went to the pro-bowl after his third season, that indicates he is pretty freaking good.

2) Has he been out beating women, partying, no he has been a model citizen and has tried to get involved in the community.

3) Has he been a problem for the past coaches, didn’t sound like it, he was in the film room and working with the staff to get better.

4) Is he a bad teamate? Sounds like he has spent offseasons working with his wideouts to get better, doesn’t sound like a bad teamate to me.

So if you have been put in a situation out of your control to some extent, in that he didn’t fire Shanahan, he didn’t choose the new HC or position coaches, of course you are going to be pissed, the Broncos and McD are messing with his livelyhood.

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by Broncoman on Mar 15, 2009 8:56 PM MDT reply actions  

I don't blame Jake either.

I remember watching him in a playoff game, Broncos lost, but not because of him; he was moving faster and more effectively in the pocket than any QB I’ve seen. He always got the blame when we lost, tho. The offesive line sucked. The lesson for me in all of this is a lesson in effective communication. It’s hard to take back words spoken in anger, and there have been many on both sides. For the sake of my chosen team, I hate it.

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by jcps on Mar 15, 2009 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

He has never played in a postseason game

Maybe you are thinking of Jake “the Snake”

by adamriggs on Mar 15, 2009 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

They aren't messing with his livelyhood.

That is ridiculous. He is going to be paid no matter what. Whether it was here, or Tampa Bay, or Detroit, he gets his money.

He just feels like he deserves special treatment.

by adamriggs on Mar 15, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

there is more to think about than a spoiled brat

with how this team finished this past season ,ther are many areas that energys should be addressed . and last let me say that jake plummer isn’t looking so bad know . so lets stop talking about a boy in a mans world if he was such a leader he would bit his tounge and do what was best for the team.

oscar (chief)siliceo

by siliceo1 on Mar 15, 2009 8:58 PM MDT reply actions  

he is under contract

so if the broncos want to do what the bengals did to chad johnson i am all for it let him sit if he wants to be a baby about it

by ogtv on Mar 15, 2009 9:00 PM MDT reply actions  

they have the right to do lots of things (including benching him for the season)

but do those things benefit the Broncos? Or are we going to cut off our nose to spite our face?

by MattR on Mar 15, 2009 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Spent...

I am literally exhausted from trying to catch this fluttering moth of a fiasco. I gave up wasting what little of my personal time I have hoping for Cutler and McDaniels to find some common ground. I’m mentally prepared for the worst case scenario to play out and am at peace with seeing a Chris Simms or “insert blank here” take center for the 2009 season.

As Guru so often says it, I AM A DENVER BRONCOS FAN. No matter who the quarterback is, I will continue to spill my guts out rooting for the Broncos every weekend.

I am sorely disappointed at how this has so badly come to fruition when it could have been resolved with all parties just coming to the table and acting like men. But whatever the end game is, I expect all 53 players running through that tunnel in September to have earned the right to have me and my 5-year old’s undying devotion. Right now, I don’t see Jay Cutler being one of them.

I can honestly say based on all the developments over the past 15 days, I’d rather root for 1 Chris Miller than 11 Jay Cutlers on my team.

Let’s get this resolved and press on. If it’s a future without #6 under center, then so be it. I’m done with this.

by pshin8670 on Mar 15, 2009 9:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Monday

JMCD- Jay you are our QB and you are under contract! Nothing is concrete in this business so get on board and get ready to either take the snaps or hold the clipboard your choice.

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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 15, 2009 9:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Monday

JMCD- Jay you are our QB and you are under contract! Nothing is concrete in this business so get on board and get ready to either take the snaps or hold the clipboard your choice.

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Mar 15, 2009 9:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Hey matt

are you abel to corroborate that Cutler’s salary will be 1.035something-or-other, and that the only bonus money he will get this year is the $100,000 roster bonus?

The part about Klis’ article I have been ruminating over is the specific payday structure we are talking about here. I was thinking about the timing of putting the house up for sale…I never thought it was an indication that Cutler would move, but I did think he was trying to make a point. With the info that has come to light ont he contrracts, it is starting to make a lot more sense.

If Cutler was scheduled to make less than 1.5 million this year, with bonuses included, and Cook got wind that the Broncos were sniffing around Cassell, who is a $14million a year QB (avg top 5), i think Cook basically decided right then and there that Cutler was going to get a $14 million dollar+ contract for this year, hopefully as part of an extension. Cook feels like the ground is fertile and the timing is right for that kind of contract, since Cassel got paid.

So his move was to convince Cutler that he wasn’t just underpaid but that the Broncos tradetalks and alleged lying were indicators that Cutler didn’t need to feel obligated to his contract this year, and that the correct thing to do was play hardball and make the Broncos ‘prove’ they weren’t lying (how do you prove a negative? another impossible contradiction possible only in Bus Cook’s universe). For every statement the Broncos have issued saying that they absolutely aren’t going to trade Cutler (which are published facts now, that can be proven to be lies only if Cutler is traded. which makes the escalation of this a sticky situation…more later), there has been an escalation on Cutler’s side, including “unaccepts” of every meet-halfway point that has been offered. Whent he Broncos signed a backup QB for around 3 times what Cutler will make this season, Cutler’s extra houses went on the market (which, rather than being an indicator that Cutler was moving, are instead indicators that Cutler doesn’t have extra money to throw around, whether he does or not. Think of it like when the Broncos were firing employees at Dove Valley. It became clear what kind of money they would spend and what kind of players they would cut going forward.).

So far, according to Cutler’s criteria he and his agent have laid out, only one thing is objective enough to prove that the Broncos aren’t lying to him. Broncos tried to talk to Cutler personally, but that wasn’t good enough. Bowlen tried to contact Cutler and set it straight…not good enough. Right now Cutler has his agent’s fingers so far in his ears, that the only thing he can hear is the whisper of a pen scrawling out an 8 figure sum on a new contract for this year. The ONLY thing that will be considered proof by the Cutler camp is money.

So now the question becomes, what is the next step in the escalation, and who blinks first. The Broncos have $14 million they could pay Cutler, but it will make it difficult to get the rookies signed promptly. But it is doable. So it can be expected that Cutler still feels the Broncos are a viable option. But Cook is laying the groundwork for a trade, and the key there is a holdout.

Last night the Broncos tried to meet with Cutler again after Cutelr declined, for waht appears to be admirable reasons, to go to a staff function to honor the trainer. But the additional response, an almost unnecessary addenda, is that a leak is indicating Scheffler is now disgruntled too.

That is some serious escalation, and something I didn’t think Cook had in him. Cook is playing every ace he has, but like a good gambler he is preparing to fake having more. What that could be I have no idea. He has involved the player’s union in negotiations before, and he has shown a willingness to involve the league. The leverage seems so heavily oriented to the Broncos, that not just any move will work, but he has a little over a month (about 40 days or so) to figure something out. part of me worries that he will ge teh Broncos involved in messy litigation revolving around Cutler and these non-mandatory workouts, but it is just a feeling.

Basically, I am looking at next monday as just a single step in the drama, whichever way it goes. Even if Cutler reports, don’t be surprised if this isn’t over… A solid move by bluffers is to “retract before impact”. The main thing the Cutler camp seems able to accomplish at this point is only a trade, since to get the Broncos to budge, they have to prove that the Broncos lied in their statements (the actual media releases, not the sourced leaks), the ones where they said they “would not trade Cutler”. the only way to prove that is to force a trade. They are definently in a self-fulfilling epicycle, that can only end with Cutler gone, or wanting something different.

  I think the nearest solid date of relief is the draft, since at that point trades for picks would pretty much be off the table (though there could still be a trade for picks next year).

I won’t start feeling relieved about this being under control until the draft at the minimem

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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 15, 2009 9:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Top rookie contracts are tough

Since there are so many incentive bonuses and escalators, but as far as I know Kils’ numbers are right. (And apparently I should have made “wants more money” one of my poll options)

by MattR on Mar 15, 2009 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

No.

Last year, Clady’s contract was for a total of 14 Million over 6 years. This year’s pick is going to be in the same range. Not a big deal Salary cap wise at all

Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.

by amirebram on Mar 15, 2009 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cutler's contract

from RotoWorld:

7/27/2006: Signed a six-year, $47.86 million contract. The deal contains $11 million guaranteed, including a $1.7 million signing bonus. 2009: $1.035 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus), 2010: $1.4225 million (+ $4 million roster bonus), 2011: $1.81 million (+ $12 million roster bonus) 2012: Free Agent. 45% of the deal’s max value is performance incentives. Among them is a $1.95 million escalator for any year of 2006-2010 that he finishes in the top five in any of the NFL’s major passing categories, as well as a $4 million bonus for taking 70% of the snaps in 2009. There also is a $500,000 bonus available 2006-2010 for taking 70% of the snaps and either taking 70% of the snaps in a Super Bowl or winning a Super Bowl.

So it looks to me like Cutler has about $6.5 mill in incentive bonuses in 2009.
From my perspective, it looks like the Broncos could stand pat and refuse to trade Cutler no matter what. If he holds out he loses a lot of money, plus his ability to get big money goes down over time. If they want to play hardball the Broncos really don’t have to do anything until 2011

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 15, 2009 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

So Cutler could lose $5 Million alone this year....I would not trade him and make him play out his contract...

If he plays bad, he only hurts himself and his value. If he is smart, which based on present recations is debatable, he will play great for 3 years and then he can go to FA.
At least we get 3 good years out of him.

PS: Based on this post.

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by boydy2669 on Mar 15, 2009 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

devil is in the details

From what I understand, escaltors increase the value of future base salaries so the fact that Cutler was 3rd in passing yards in 2008 should bump his salaries for 2009, 2010 and 2011. But everything I have read treats that $1.95 million as a straight incentive in each year. I have also seen conflicting info about whether the 70% playing time is an incentive or if it triggers a bonus in a future year. I would love to know the actual details of the contract.

by MattR on Mar 15, 2009 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

in what you describe there

it sounds like additional info would either back up these figures or make them look better… Do you know af any scenarios that would make the numbers actually worse for Cutelr, or are we dealing with, “these numbers or better,” in evaluating this?

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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 15, 2009 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

the only thing that could be worse for cutler

would be if hitting the playing time incentive this year just added $4 million to a roster bonus he was due next march since there is no guarantee that he would be on the roster. But I really don’t know if that is the case or how likely that is. And I don’t know how much access Mike Kils has to the actual details if he was willing to spend the time to dig through the legalese. I do know that a lot of the initial new reports about contract values and details are leaks from the agent and may not be completely accurate.

It really does look like he would expect to hit both the $1.95 million escalator for being top 5 and the $4 million bonus based on playing time pretty easily which would give him about $7 million for the year. Not Matt Cassell money (assuming he does not sign a long term deal with KC), but not Chris Simms money either (although Simms can actually make a total of $5 million this year with incentives)

by MattR on Mar 15, 2009 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually I think the $4Mil would be due next year if he performs in 09

So the team would either give him the bonus or get rid of him after the 09 season. That’s how many performance bouneces work.

You qualify and the team cuts you if they don’t want to pay you. So it’s more like money or freedom.

Go So Cal. I am the bigger one.

by amirebram on Mar 15, 2009 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth...

Ian Whetstone shows a $1.035 mill salary in 2009 with the $100K workout bonus. The incentive bonus should work out as an increase in base salary but that doesn’t seem to be how anyone is reporting it. Either way, Cutler has a very modest base salary. The Broncos could easily afford to just keep him. AND since 2010 may be an uncapped year, they would have more flexibility to deal with it then.

This seems to be reminiscent of the Ocho Cinco fiasco last year. The Bengals refused to budge and he eventually caved. That may be the best scenario for the Broncos.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 15, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

An interesting topic that got lost in the Cutler drama

Is whether teams are acting in free agency as if 2010 will be capped or not. The NFLPA just voted DeMaurice Smith as their Executive Director so negotiations with the owners can actually begin in the near future. Who knows? Maybe we will get lucky and they will hammer out a new deal before the season ends. (Yeah, right).

by MattR on Mar 15, 2009 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have been pondering that too.

Isn’t Smith the attorney who got the injunction over the StarCaps? That could be good news for B-marsh.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 15, 2009 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Still it is interesting

that the players selected a labor attorney over a former player. Gives us a hint at how they view the future.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 15, 2009 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Labor law not his specialty :)

The only reason I know that is I just came across this article from the March 4 Washington Post about Smith. It is worth reading to get a feel for the man. It starts with this:

The way DeMaurice F. Smith tells it, one of the first things he said jokingly to members of the search committee trying to identify candidates to succeed the late Gene Upshaw as executive director of the NFL Players Association was to ask if they were certain they had the right guy. He never played football beyond high school and, although he’s an attorney well-versed in big business, his specialty is not labor law.

by MattR on Mar 16, 2009 12:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

ESPN and Chris Mortenson just quoted Jay cutler via Bus Cooke as asking for a trade, JMcD confiming it, and Pat Bowlen saying that he is very disappointed, not only in losing the star QB, but in the whole situation. I haven’t commented on this so far, but this is it…. I am now completely pissed off at the franchise’s handling of this, and at Jay’s willingness to be led around by his nose-ring to satisfy the ego of a crooked agent. I will not be quite so pissed at missing so many games here in Iowa…. I may not catch any of them. I have (like all fans) waited so patiently for the Mastermind to get his groove back…. and to come so close, only to have a new administration give it away, and be QUOTED!!! as admitting that McD wanted Cassel….. I have no more words.

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by tannji on Mar 15, 2009 10:25 PM MDT reply actions  

trust or money?

One Cutler quote from that ESPN article

“Before this trade for Cassel thing ever came up, in the two weeks or so I had spent with McDaniels, he was basically telling me that he came to Denver because he wanted to coach me and that we needed to trust each other,” Cutler said. “He’s never been critical to me. But trust now? How can I trust him now?”

by MattR on Mar 15, 2009 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

What about the rest of the article...

McDaniels tells a much different story. We are unquestionable mired in a he said – she said drama.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 15, 2009 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't doubt that Cutler and McDaniels see things differently

And I think it is likely that neither is lying or misrepresenting their view of things, especially since there are so many young and inexperienced people involved.

Ex. There is not even a straight answer about why Bus Cook was involved in the meetings. McDaniels says he wanted a one on one meeting and Cutler demanded Cook be present but Cutler talks about expecting McDaniels to call them so they could have a cup of coffee and chat privately to work things out. I have a feeling that Cutler wanted Cook involved with anything formal yet was willing to talk informally on his own but that detail got lost somewhere along the way.

I grabbed that one quote above since it was Cutler actually giving some idea about why he felt misled.

by MattR on Mar 15, 2009 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

When the situation is already so obviously damaged, and your star QB puts you on the spot for lying about trade talks, and asks if he is still on the trade block… you can say something honest, but more tactful and solicitous than

“Other teams have called but we’re not interested in getting draft picks for Jay. I never made a statement [Saturday] that ‘you can be traded at any time.’ They asked a question and I told them it was the time of year when people inquire about your team. Your job, as a head coach and general manager, is to listen and not bypass any opportunity to help your team improve. I think most people [in the NFL] feel the same way. You make smart, educated decisions that are best for your football team.”

That may be what he said, and I don’t think anyone here would take issue with most of it as being realistic and true… but I could have handled that better in my sleep….. If I WANTED to keep a QB and re-assure him.
there is a time and place for taking ownership of a situation, and there is also an appropriate time to choose your battles.

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal

by tannji on Mar 15, 2009 11:08 PM MDT reply actions  

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