Jay Cutler asks for trade, Josh McDaniels stands firm

by John Bena on Mar 16, 2009 5:50 AM MDT in Broncos in the News Comment 93 comments

It isn't breaking news by any stretch, but the comments of the two main figures in the Jay Cutler V. Josh McDaniels saga finally spoke out about their "feud". Here is what they had to say --

Jay Cutler --

I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco. We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy. He admitted he wanted Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a quarterback. He said he wasn't sorry about it. He made it clear that he could still entertain trading me because, as he put it, he'll do whatever he feels is in the best interest of the organization.

At the end of the meeting, he wasn't like, 'Jay, I want you as our quarterback, you're our guy.' It felt like the opposite. He basically said that I needed to tell him if we can't work this out, to let him know. I thought he was antagonizing me and that was disappointing because I was ready to move on, committed as a Bronco. Really, I figured we'd hash things out, shake hands, laugh a little and move forward. What happened [Saturday] was the last thing I expected. If I didn't think it could be fixed, I never would have come back to Denver. It was painfully obvious to me and Bus [Cook, his agent] it's not something they want to fix.

Comments

Hey SG, like who is your source? There has been too much in da press from sources if you know what I mean on this subject?

by Halfmile on Mar 16, 2009 5:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Sorry...

I figured everyone had read or heard about the ESPN story by now. Link now included….

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by John Bena on Mar 16, 2009 6:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bottom line is that one side is lying outright

In the meantime let Bus Cook know how you feel.

by rururuland784 on Mar 16, 2009 6:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

The Egos envolved may not be the two players!

Sorry, I missed that this weekend, doing something important like playing golf. I am not sure this will have a happy ending in a few hours or not, there are too many egos and $s envolved at this point and they may not be MC or JC. Time will tell.

by Halfmile on Mar 16, 2009 6:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I am confused.....

Denver has never denied speaking of Cutler in a trade. Do we all agree on that?
Now, McD admitted that and it really is nothing new, yet Cutler is still carrying on like a pork chop.
So, now why did he ask for a trade????
This thing gets more ridiculaous by the day!
Thanks for the post Guru, and I hope by the time I get home from the mountain today all this shit is sorted.
I have to admit, I have the team’s back on this one!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Mar 16, 2009 6:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Ditto

Not only am i confused – i don’t understand cutlers angle.

He might get more money but i can’t for the life of me believe he thinks the broncos are going to trade him to an immediate contender.

by AlleyCat. on Mar 16, 2009 6:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cutler

Cutler wanted coach to say sorry for what he tried to do. But coach is standing firm about him wanting Cassel cuz he built him.
At this point only a trade would suffice.
Chester Taylor, 2009 #1 pick (22nd) and 2010 #2 pick (that could be raised to a number one depending on incentives).

What do you think?

by LAviking on Mar 16, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

trade out taylor for AP

and thrown in nate webster instead of cutler and you got a deal

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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Mar 16, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

McDaniel originally denied reports that he was offering Cutler up in trades.

This whole thing has spiraled out of control but as an outsider, I kind of buy what Cutler is selling. He’s a 25 year old pro bowl quarterback with tremendous upside and some new hot shot coach comes in, tell Cutler he wanted to come to this specific team so he could coach him and then went behind his back and tried to deal him for an undrafted one hit wonder from his ex-team. This smells of rookie coach gone horribly wrong and if I was Cutler I don’t think I would want to play for a guy who wasn’t upfront.

Cutler did the right thing bringing his agent in the room, these things can get dicey and Cook is his legal representation. Pat Bowlen should have been in the room, the GM, Cook, McDaniel and Cutler, this is a business and these people are all part of the equation. In two years when McDaniel is in the unemployment line wondering what just happened, he can look back at this mistake and mark it as the turning point in his Broncos career- before a single game has ever been played. Franchise QBs typically make life easier for rookie coaches, this coach seems to want to do things the hard way.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Mar 16, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

jay cutler

If Cutler want’s to be left go, Let him go an move on, The JETS really need a Quarterback an Cutler would make a great addition to that team.

by superjets on Mar 16, 2009 6:23 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Cap

Jets dont have the cap room.

The Vikings on the other hand…..

by LAviking on Mar 16, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Looks to me like cutler is going to Detroit for their 20th pick.
If Scheff isn’t careful he could very well end up in the same place as well…

by AlleyCat. on Mar 16, 2009 6:39 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

good

we’ll see how much Cutler likes getting sacked 60 times a season instead of 11

by lolcopter on Mar 16, 2009 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice string of Donkey problems

First it was Shanny, then the plethora of “quantity over quality” free agent signings and now this…

And, it’s still probably going to get worse before it gets better.

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Mar 16, 2009 6:40 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey.

Get back to us when you’re not the laughing stock of the AFC…

by ejruiz on Mar 16, 2009 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL.......

A raider fan talking shit! lmao Now put the sack back over your head and go cry to mommy!

by CPT.Caveman on Mar 16, 2009 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's what's incredible...

That the whole Raider Nation as well as the rest of the AFC West (and probably the whole NFL) are now laughing our collective asses off at Donkey meltdown!

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Mar 16, 2009 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dude...what part of being a faders fan don't you understand?

You’re laughing you’re “collective asses off”? Well…now you know how everyone else has felt about the faders for the past decade. Unfortunately, at this point we’ve moved past laughing and now just feel bad for you pathetic losers.

I can win an argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this, and steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don't even invite me. -Dave Barry

by PosterNutbag on Mar 16, 2009 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The faders are your child?

Where your like the parent of the retarded kid in the class that laughs and points when the smart, talented kid trips and scrapes his knee. But…I guess that’s all you really have so enjoy it.

I can win an argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this, and steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don't even invite me. -Dave Barry

by PosterNutbag on Mar 16, 2009 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

ahem

I meant to say,

“Well you’re like the parent…”

I’m sure most people got the gist of it, but sometimes you have to really spell things out for faders fans.

I can win an argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this, and steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don't even invite me. -Dave Barry

by PosterNutbag on Mar 16, 2009 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

wait how many season have you had double digit wins since 2002?

RIGHT ZERO MY BAD we have a problem in Denver right now so what youre problem has been the last six seasons failing to keep your loses out of the double digit area.

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Mar 16, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, remember this?

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Mar 16, 2009 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you kidding me? "One, Win. Maybe?"

Raiders are worst the last years Lions, I dont care what the record says.

by LAviking on Mar 16, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Captions for these pictures:

1. Jay just tackled 58, and now the guy is trying to molest him!

2. "The Raiders just smell SO BAD! I can’t breathe! I have a headache. They must have rolled in duck urine or something… they must have showered in water from San Jose…. YUCK!

3. Al Davis Buttons as an OLD man.

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Mar 16, 2009 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey a Trade with the Raiderless

How about J for your #1 Defensive Back? Sounds good to me straight up?

by Halfmile on Mar 16, 2009 6:46 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

At the end of the meeting, Jay said he had thought about things quite a bit and requested a few more hours to mull things over. He said he wanted to talk to Bus on how to proceed.

As a fan, this story is exhausting. Speculation is useless. That said, SG, I have got to agree with your emphasis on this portion of McDaniel’s quote.

Cutler originally said he wanted the Broncos to be straight with him about considering the trade — that he felt the Broncos weren’t being honest with him about the trade. And now, when Cutler gets the honesty he claimed he wanted, he needs some time to think about things. Time to discuss things with Bus Cook. Why?? What’s left to discuss Jay??

Bus may have initiated this nonsense, and even manipulated Cutler to some extent. But from where I sit this morning, Cutler is on the Bus, and I’m not so sure he’s not driving at this point.

Hit the one in the middle.

by mla2131 on Mar 16, 2009 7:06 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Woody weighs in

Nice to finally catch something like this in the DP, although it was admittedly after he first blamed Bowlen, McDaniels, and Cutler by turns:

Bus Cook, Cutler’s agent, is the most evil player in the melodrama. The former “personal injury attorney” from Hattiesburg, Miss., added insult to injury by being a source for the trade rumors and other recent stories.

He served as the lightning rod for Cutler’s fire and ire. His and Cutler’s rigid stance could have been a ploy to get Cutler a renegotiated, extended, larger contract or the trade to another team.

Why wouldn’t Cook’s past representations of other high-profile NFL players make newspapers, websites and Broncos loyalists have reservations about his intentions? Didn’t Brett Favre, Steve McNair, Randy Moss and other Cook clients have contractual issues, disputes and salaries that ended up with splintered teams and the players in other cities? The troublemaker, not peacemaker, was only interested in manipulating the event that became a national joke.

He has lost.

Well said, Woodrow!

Oops, did I say something? Resuming radio silence!!! …….sound of static………..

"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50

by broncosmontana on Mar 16, 2009 7:10 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Ya know...

The fact that he mentions nothing about that link being on MHR first bothers me…..Or it is an incredible coincidence that after Styg’s story got ALL KINDS OF PRESS that he decides to talk about it….

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by John Bena on Mar 16, 2009 7:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I emailed him the link to Styg's story directly

and this is the first acknowledgment I’ve seen that he is aware of Cook’s role in this.

"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50

by broncosmontana on Mar 16, 2009 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

good move, BM

by Colinski on Mar 16, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

He is taking a different approach than I did

and in all honesty, my take needs updating. I think a clearer, more concise statement of the Jay/Bus dynamic still needs to be made, I just need to find some extra time. I have been in closing on a house for almost two months now, which is baffling me, since I have done this twice now, and it didn’t take more than two weeks either time. It must be all the latest gov/baillout/brouhaha, or the recession(depression). They actually asked me to email them pictures of my current commute to work… WTF??

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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 16, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

You gotta be kiddin'

There are very few that share your commute!

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by firstfan on Mar 16, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That probably has something to do with it

I still can’t imagine why they would care…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 16, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure glad that

you wrote your piece, because that meant that I didn’t have to.

I had come to the decision that morning that the media firestorm that was being supplemented by “a source close to Cutler” had to be lanced (pardon the mixed metaphor) and its that source unmasked. Finding that source wasn’t hard, in fact it was all too obvious.

What I wasn’t looking forward to was all the work, so I procrastinated, but Guru hit it out of the park that night on the webcast and your article appeared at the end of the show.

My methods of analysis are slightly different; I look at how the story itself is being portrayed (a storyline or plot analysis) and how the ‘performance’ of certain actors deviate from expectations — a type of dramaturgical analysis. The point of this technique is to show when an actor is engaged in an in-authentic performance, and also, to see the fingerprints of unscrupulous PR manipulators as they attempt to craft public opinion. I’ll speak to all of this later.

The media firestorm showed strong signs of manipulation, and Cook didn’t have to do much more than spread “shopping” stories and then react — occasionally and judiciously — to the furor that resulted, which was itself the furor ‘about’ the furor, where questions over the truth or falsity of the original reports are supplanted by the coverage of the arguments that ensue rather than the precipitating event itself. This is the informational feedback loop, in which arguments over arguments ‘prove’ there must have been something done wrong or else we wouldn’t be having all this ruckus now.

Where our coverage of the coverage of this story could go next is to examine where “sources close to Cutler” are named as the source behind particular versions of the story. We expect that there are a number piggy-backed stories that merely repeat and add onto what other journalists have written, but the etiology and trajectory of key plotlines should reveal the Bus’s grubby little hands behind certain story elements. There will usually be loaded language involved, an indication that Bus is using emotional language to communicate certain elements of the plot, i.e., ‘the betrayal of Cutler,’ and there will also be an absence of concrete language to explain how this “betrayal” occurred, since Cook’s objective is not to transmit facts (which only defeat his purpose) but to communicate emotional ideas that everyone can understand and are easily accessed (this is the “framing” aspect — per Goffman).

I have more than one tool in my arsenal, this is just one of the ways of doing ‘forensic’ issue analysis.

One other area, one that desperately needs some attention, is the basics of how teams execute trades. With sloppy and loaded terms like “shopping” being used to create “pictures in our heads” about what happens when a team wants to trade someone V. the mere act of discussing an offer, there needs to be some information out there on the mundane process of trading and its mechanics, and how “trying” to trade someone may be a misuse of language unless there is an actual trade contract drawn up. “Trying” is a weasel word that’s being used to create an false impression about a teams’ intent in the head’s of fans, who use their imaginations to fill in what they know must occur but have no knowledge of the actual process.

by Colinski on Mar 16, 2009 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

You gotta think the Putzier signing has a lot to do with Sheff being a Bus client.

Cutler’s putting himself in a bad position here. He’s under contract and Denver has all the balls. His teammates, privately at least, cannot be on his side in this retarded “feud”.

No way do you trade Cutler for draft picks, you cannot rebuild with a no name at this point.

The reality is here is that Cutler needs to remember he’s an employee and the boss can do whatever they want.

by hallandnash on Mar 16, 2009 7:29 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

+100

If McDaniels doesn’t trade him, it will certainly be clear to the team where the drama is originating from. And I’m not sure they’ll look kindly on him for skirting the voluntary programs.

I keep hoping that Cut will snap out of this, but the longer this drags out the more I’m beginning to feel he should be accountable for the actions of Bus Cook. I also sense that if he couldn’t let the Rivers incident go, the odds of him letting this go are steep. I hope he will learn from this that ego can be as big a minus as it is a plus in this league, but at this point I’m begging to question whether he has that kind of wisdom.

Still hopeful for a reconciliation that is a win for everyone. Just wish I could see one inkling of something that can restore our faith that reconciliation is possible.

"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50

by broncosmontana on Mar 16, 2009 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its a battle right now between

a pit bull (cutler) and a man with a wooden leg. Cutler will hold on like nobody’s business, and more power to him, if he believes he is doing the right thing. The Broncos on the other hand have a wooden leg, and the dog clamped to it is an inconvenience at worst, but no real threat.

Either the dog get’s tired of chewing on wood, or the leg gets irrepairably turned into kindling.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 16, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

although to me

Cutler is the one who has the leverage when it comes down to it. The worst “punishment” the team can level at him is to not start him. In that case, I guess it depends how much he really wants to play, for the Broncos or otherwise, as to how punishing it is to get paid for doing nothing. All other scenarios, trading, cutting, restructuring him, benefit him either directly or fulfill his purported request of being traded.

And as to his angle (since I’ve seen a few people ask what it might be), I think it’s simply that he wants to be the teams quarterback. That’s what he says, is that McD would not tell him “I’m down with you being our QB”. Whether he’s justified in being upset about this, I don’t really think so, but to me it is clear where he is coming from.

McD’s position seems to be that the Bronco’s have not done anything wrong, nor dispensed any misinformation, that it has entirely been on Cutler’s side where everything has been wrong. I don’t think that is the case either. Obviously, both sides of a situation like this aren’t telling the full truth. Of course, after saying he doesn’t want to turn it into a “he-said she-said” McD proceeds to do exactly that.

Oh how righteous all parties involved are.

Jason
The Hanging Curve

by poorboywilly on Mar 16, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I definitely agree

that Jay cares about playing football more than anything. Which is one reason that being with his teammates and talking scheme today could have been such a huge step forward. He is good to go with the trade talk as long as he stays away, but the second he gets lined up behind those six lovable rumps who would lay down in traffic to protect him, with Hillis saluting him from the endzone, Eddie doublemoving his way down the sideline, BMarsh giving a big ol’ smile after jacking up six defenders, one of whom is slow getting up, with the defense on the sideline getting pumped up and coming out and forcing turnovers and batting down 3rd down passes, NOT TO MENTION all the stud rookies we bring in….

Dammit, I think I’m gonna cry…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 16, 2009 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually Cutler's contract...

is so incentive laden that not playing means he get’s paid next to nothing. Out of $7 – $8 mill that he stands to earn, only a little over one million is salary; the rest is bonuses. Not playing hurts him this year and hurts his future contract value if he is later traded.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 16, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The issue as I see it

Cutler still feels like he is not being told what he wants (i.e. that McD wants him to be the QB). However, he is just utilizing selective hearing. McD has said he will not trade him and he will be the QB. Then McD continues to say that anyone is tradeable if it helps the team. This last statement is what is getting to Cutler because he can’t grasp that if the right deal came along (the “Herschel Walker” deal that many have talked about) McD would trade Cutler.

I liken this to my relationship with my wife. She will do something that will piss me off and then she will tell me that she is sorry BUT she felt like she did the right thing. I then can’t get over the situation because all I hear is everything after the word “but”.

by adamriggs on Mar 16, 2009 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

McDaniels HAS to say that anyone is tradeable.

He is the coach. The WORST decision McDaniels could make at this juncture would be to guarantee Jay a job. That put Jay in control, and it is contrary to the heirarchy of the organization. For the Broncos to function, the coach must have authority over all players, and no player can be allowed to dictate terms. Bowlen and Xanders provide the check on McDaniels. If McDaniels came out and said, “Jay’s our guy. Forever. Period.” he would lose credibility with Jay, and the other players. Anyone who wants to push for more control tries this stunt.

If you are a guy who has always stood in line and done what you were told, and suddenly you cause a stir, management is suddenly surprised, and they want to return to the previous state of affairs. They want you back in line. If they acquiesce to any demands you make, even a little, you are more likely to cause a stir the NEXT time you want to get something out of them. And you gradually gain control, because management empowered you stroking your ego. Now you have the control.

This is why McDaniels ONLY correct option was to make it clear to Jay that he was not guaranteeing anything. McDaniels has come as close to guaranteeing Jay’s job as he can, but with Jay’s behavior (and Cook’s) he HAD to qualify the response with the caveat that anyone could be traded. For a first year coach to capitulate on this would have spelled disaster for years. This situation may be a catastrophe for years anyway, but I doubt it. The sun will rise tomorrow, and SOMEONE will throw the pigskin in Denver, and the Broncos will win games.

I agree the situation shouldn’t have gotten to this point. I’m going to LaLa Land.

-Harvey J. Neptune

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by HarvJNep2n on Mar 16, 2009 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't get it.

How hard would it be for Jay to walk in and say, hey coach loyalty is a big thing with me. I fell slighted. I would like to be the Bronco’s QB for the future. I want to be your guy. I’m willing to show you my loyalty, now how about you give me a contract extension to show me your loyalty. Now lets go win a SB! By the way would you mind holding on to Tony I really like throwing to him.

by ThorpeBroncosfan on Mar 16, 2009 7:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Agree

This situation is very hard to understand at times.

by ColoradoOwl on Mar 16, 2009 7:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

what now?

Bus has overplayed his hand. He may have gotten his client more money but it’s going to end up being in Detroit. There may have been some initial “slight” but now the fault clearly lies with team Cutler.

Let’s cut bait at this point. See if the Lions will take Cutler and Sheffler for #20, #33 and maybe a fourth. Then target Sanchez at 12, Jackson at 20, Laurinitis at 33 and Brace at 48.

She turned me into a newt .... I got better.

by DUCUgradinOhio on Mar 16, 2009 7:50 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Noooooooooo

Being a chiefs fan the thought of your team getting those guys scare’s me!! Cutler need to calm down and grow up damn, is he crazy or what? This is almost like watching a soap opera and very sad, i was excited about the up coming season and games against you guys(QB battles and all) but now this! You never know you still could end up with cassel and the 3 way trade could still happen !! My little brother is a diehard denver fan, i bet he hasnt slept in 2 weeks. GOOD LUCK GUYS!!

by CPT.Caveman on Mar 16, 2009 8:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

do it

sanchez will be an instant hero in denver

by lolcopter on Mar 16, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

He sure will.

We have a very Latin fan base and Sanchez could very well be extremely popular in Denver.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08

by firstfan on Mar 16, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unless he sucks at playing QB at the NFL level...

which is totally possible. Even his college coach thinks he’s an idiot for entering the draft this early. You have known talent in Cutler, the average fan isn’t going to understand this debacle and is going to wonder why their team just went from a possible playoff team to 6-10 or 7-9 (you still get to play the Raiders and Chiefs twice) with a rookie QB.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Mar 16, 2009 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Browns trade...

Whatever happened to the rumors about the Browns trade? That seems decent to me now that I know Cutler is probably out of here…It was Cutler and a 3rd for Brady Quinn and Shaun Rogers…I don’t know if there’s money issues involved but seems good to me, I consider Quinn as more a game managing style player compared to Cutler’s gunslinger style…Any thoughts or comments on this??

by gunnermc on Mar 16, 2009 8:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Sheff

Hell we could throw in Sheffler for good measure…Or just to get rid of Bus Cook all together…

by gunnermc on Mar 16, 2009 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

that rumor was made up by broncofreaks

I believe at least

by purplesocks on Mar 16, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

is Bus Cook

a raider fan???

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 16, 2009 8:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Did these guys really talk???

#1
a) McDaniels: “[Jay] was gonna call me on my cell phone and that never happened. Instead, Bus called [GM] Brian [Xanders]”.
b) Cutler: “"You know, even after the meeting, I hung around town, kind of expecting [McDaniels] to call me and say, ‘Hey, let’s just me and you get away and have lunch or a cup of coffee’ and mend things, but that didn’t happen”.
c) McDaniels: “Then when he came here this weekend, we couldn’t get a one-on-one meeting, just me and him alone. He wanted Bus in there, so I had Brian sit in, too”.
#2
a) McDaniels: “[E]ver since the deal with Cassel didn’t happen, other teams have called but we’re not interested in getting draft picks for Jay”.
b) Cutler: “[McDaniels] made it clear he wants his own guy”
#3
a) McDaniels: “I never made a statement [Saturday] that ’you can be traded at any time”.
b) Cutler: “He made it clear that he could still entertain trading me”.

by ejruiz on Mar 16, 2009 8:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I have never, ever, ever

seen anything like this in my life, EVER!

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by John Bena on Mar 16, 2009 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

And how could the Broncos possibly benefit from this drama?

All smoke leads to the tailpipe of the Bus.

"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50

by broncosmontana on Mar 16, 2009 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Agree.

Jay’s actions and words have not matched up a single time throughout this entire drama. At this point, it would take some work for me to be able to root for Jay as an individual again. I loved the kid, constantly refering to him as a potential All-Pro QB, but right now I can’t stand his attitude.

by ejruiz on Mar 16, 2009 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is good practice

for when your girls get to be teenagers. (no offense Silver).

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 16, 2009 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not a teenager. :)

And thankfully was never much of one even when I was.

I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.

by Silverblood on Mar 16, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I suspected as much

That you never were, that is.

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 16, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

I think that’s a compliment, so thanks. :)

I love Greg Reynolds and I may be slightly ashamed to admit it.

by Silverblood on Mar 16, 2009 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Demanding a trade is legal speak...

once it got to this level, the agents and GMs do all the talking because they handle the business side of this mess. This situation certainly doesn’t need anymore he said she said BS so relying on the business people to take the next steps forward makes perfect sense.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Mar 16, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

On Cutler.

What the hell does this kid really want? Right now, I’d take #20 or #33 this year and Detroit’s first round pick in 2010 for Jay. First, I’d sign Jeff Garcia to a two-year deal and look to trade up in next year’s draft so as to get the future franchise QB we’ll need. This year, we could get three key pieces for our revamped defense and be back on the road to Super Bowl contention sooner rather than later.

by ejruiz on Mar 16, 2009 8:14 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Garcia

I’d rather Simms be our starter than Garcia…Isnt he almost 58 years old??

by gunnermc on Mar 16, 2009 8:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Dump him and be done with it. I was a huge Cutler fan but now we just need to move on. If we trade him to Detroit, who ahead of us in the draft would pick Stafford (using the #12 pick)? Seattle maybe but I doubt it. Sit him behind Simms for a year and then spend the rest of the draft on defense.

I can see a draft day trade in Ms. Cutlers future…

by DickVMI on Mar 16, 2009 8:23 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Trade value

doesn’t this crying trade me trade me hurt what we’re going to get for him because everyone knows whats going on??? I agree I was a huge fan of Cutler too…I like Sanchez better than Stafford though.

by gunnermc on Mar 16, 2009 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt it hurts him much. Detroit would probably want to get rid of the #1 pick but Bowlen would never take it. I could see us getting thier #20 pick and probably another one. Basically this would mean that Detroit traded Roy Williams for Cutler. That seems like one heck of a deal for them.

by DickVMI on Mar 16, 2009 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

What a mess!

I agree Guru, only guys that want to be Denver Broncos better show up today. I wish McDanials said that publically, in fact. I hope he says it in the first meeting this morning at the very least. Maybe he could give everyone five minutes at the beginning of the meeting to walk out of the room.

Cutler has to be moved at this point. I don’t even care who’s wrong or right, just get him the hell out of there. When Elway and Reeves had their showdown, John had taken the broncos to three SBs. As my avatar Clay Davis would say, shiiiiiiiiiiiiit…. Jay Cutler is nowhere near the point in his career where he could push a coach out. Mr. Bowlen hired Josh and Brian to run the team and I gaurantee you he stands with them.

I agree with EJ, if we could get #20 & #33 and a 2010 first or second rounder from Detroit, that would be ideal. Maybe take a shot at Bomar in the middle of the draft somewhere this year and if Simms and Rhett do not work out this year we’ll probably be setup nicely to draft a franchise QB in 2010. Take Moreno at #12, and front seven players at #s 20, 33, and 48 (Laurinatis, Cushing, Brace, Matthews, Barwin, English, etc.).

"Talking tough is easy when it's other people's evil and you're judging what they do or don't believe. It seems to me you'd have to have a hole you're own to point a finger at somebody else's sheet" -- Mike Cooley

by ButteBronco on Mar 16, 2009 8:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

????

this year, #33 this year AND a first rounder next year?!??!?! Hell yea!! And We get to see Jay in a Lions uniform? How realistic is their side of that trade???

by gunnermc on Mar 16, 2009 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Probably not too realistic,

although it’s tough to find a QB with Jay’s talent and experience. In that respect, I do not think #20 and #33 is out of the quesiton— this trade gives them a proven talent at QB and allows them to take Curry @ #1. However, if Jay keeps this up, his trade value will decrease significantly…

by ButteBronco on Mar 16, 2009 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone call Bus Cook's office

leave him a voice mail. keep it clean, but it’s a lot of fun. you might just be lucky enough to get him on the line.

by rururuland784 on Mar 16, 2009 8:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

ruru, are you Bus???

Just curious, because your first post ever was Bus Cook’s contact information, and you seem to be wanting everyone to call him. Please explain your motives.

"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50

by broncosmontana on Mar 16, 2009 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

ruru has been around for awhile

since the last couple of games last year, for sure.

Concision in style, precision in thought, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 16, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

The problem was the hiring of McDaniels

… and before he even gets to know Cutler, he’s shopping him. Lack of common sense, communication, and class.

Out of Michael Lombardi’s post (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/diner-morning-news-the-cutler-saga/) he states the Broncos front-office was ‘nervous and disheartened’ when they learned Cassel had been traded to the Chiefs. It was McDweebs plan all along to bring Cassel to Denver and get rid of Cutler.

As a betting man, I’d bet that the Goodman’s were let go over this very issue. The suddenness of the move made me think at the time that there was some sort of major disagreement.

As for me, I could care less what the Broncos trade Cutler for. In fact I hope the team at the other end gets a really good bargain because I’ll probably be rooting for them, or the team where Shanahan lands next year. I’ll not be rooting for the Broncos until McDweeb is run out of town.

by MTBroncoFan on Mar 16, 2009 8:36 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Enjoy Lions football

Bowlen gave McDaniels the prerogative to make that decision. Wise or not, it was his decision to make and IMHO he has handled the situation with restraint and class. As much as I loved Shanahan, and Cutler’s ability, there is no natural law of the Universe I’m aware of that dictates that we need either of them to win a Superbowl.

I will not be happy if we let Cutler go, but I will never stop rooting for the Broncos.

"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50

by broncosmontana on Mar 16, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I figure I'll be enjoying Cowboys or Titans football.

Doubt Cutler could end up in Dallas, but I still have a hunch that Shanahan could.

I think the first team to step up with this years #1 and a #1 2 years out wins the lottery. Teams that know how hard it is to find a franchise QB won’t be too shy.

by MTBroncoFan on Mar 16, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

credulity suspended

Citing Lombardi’s comments which are the product of an understanding gained from previous Cook disinformation doesn’t much more than recycle the garbage.

There was no fly on the wall to deliver to us this picture of a “disheartened” Bronco braintrust, so this is someone’s fictional add-on to the story, and we can be assured that the only ones who were in a position to know — McDaniels and Xanders — weren’t the source of the news reports.

I’ve seen no indication that confirms the “shopping” story in its typical caricature form, and it happens to coincide Bus’s earlier attempts to sell the image of Cutler as betrayed Bronco loyalist. Other reports of the trade talks don’t confirm this, as in Klis:

“-not one of the many trade offers that swung through Dove Valley came close to pushing the Broncos into striking a deal. -”

It doesn’t sound any different than what McDaniels is saying, and all the stories that have the Broncos somehow ‘failing’ to execute the deal rely on added elements that stretch credulity even further. At best, it appears the Broncos may have made counter offers to see what they would get for Cutler, but that hardly contradicts what they’ve been saying all along.

It’s clear at this point that Cutler wanted a change of scenery, and Cook no doubt helped. The change in coaches was instrumental in his decision, and Cook’s propaganda campaign helped pave the way through the media firestorm it created.

Recycling Cook’s old propaganda at this point doesn’t say much about your level of understanding of this issue. It’s interesting to see a story remain in use after it’s been discarded. If Cutler’s actual reason for being pissed was the attempted trade, then why is his solution a demand to be traded? Sounds like being traded wasn’t so bad after all. And no doubt that was behind this ongoing media firestorm from the beginning.

by Colinski on Mar 16, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think this whole thing started at the Pro Bowl...

because it was McD that told Manning to throw Jay’s blood sugar monitor in the pool and then Jay found out, and was like, so mad

by jwkcsu on Mar 16, 2009 8:37 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

The New Face of the Broncos Organization?

I’ve not problem with letting Shanahan go. One playoff win in 10 seasons is certainly unacceptable, as much as I really like him and his coaching style. When I first heard that McDaniels was the new coach I was as pleased as I could be about it, up-n-commer, pedigree of winning, etc. etc. all the “good” sides of the Patriots organization. But what I completely failed to consider was the obverse side of the Belichick run organization, the demogogic totalitarianism, terse relations and dubious honesty when dealing with the media, and a general lack of ethical sportsmanship in favor or the goal of winning.

Has our team been hijacked?

Is Cutler acting like a spoiled star? Very much so. Is McDaniels showing he has any capacity to diffuse the situation? Certainly not. Who do I blame? McDaniels, and here’s why. It is the job of the head coach to lead a team, and it is becoming very clear (to me at least) that McDaniels is forcing a totalitarian agenda down Jay’s throat. Sometimes it is the job of the coach to coddle the whining star, at least enough to get the whining to stop. To make statements like “We have no intention of trading Jay” and then to turn around and put the qualifier on it that “Teams have called, but we’re not interested in draft picks” isn’t simply a refusal to coddle, it an out and out contradiction, and some might say (me included) a dishonesty.

Losing Jay would be unfortunate. Losing the highly esteemed integrity that the Bronco organization has always exuded would be tragic, even if that came with more wins. I am really scared that our team is heading down a path that will alienate the fans from it. We aren’t new England fans, we love our team even when they lose.

Now I know how other fans feel, that hopeless angst of being able to do nothing while their team is thust into turmoil by the self serving decisions of single man.

This may turn out fine, and all be a load of miscommunication, but I’m really afraid McDaniels has brought the tradition of Belichick dishonesty to MY team. I may never forgive Bowlen if he allows that to happen.

by mondo.tiki.man on Mar 16, 2009 10:25 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

i'd rather have the patriot system in denver

than T.O. at quarterback

by lolcopter on Mar 16, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs

Classic

I love that lolcopter. +1

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Mar 16, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was very well thought out and stated mondo.

I’m not sure how much I agree just yet but I appreciate the comment and intellect behind it. Thanks.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08

by firstfan on Mar 16, 2009 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

I appreciate it.

I’m mostly afraid we’ll become “that team”, the poster child for dysfunctionality or something. Jay is far from perfect, and far from a “no trade” kind of player, but McDaniels has yet to even prove he can win one game in the big chair, so I think he’s got to have a little give in his stance. Part of this is probably my utter revulsion at the thought of losing Cutler for Cassell. We drafted good enough to not get stuck with a Leinart or a Young problem, and almost his first move has McDaniels making a snap reaction that might have sent a solid prospect packing for backup-turned starter. Maybe Cassel is the next Brady or Romo in the rough, but it’s a tough thing to tell when you have him to plug into a locked and loaded offense like the Patriots have.

by mondo.tiki.man on Mar 16, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It seems to me

that McD has had no chance of getting this resolved. Jay insists that Cook is involved in any discussion and Cook won’t let this die. I would hope we don’t mortgage our future on one player because he is money hungry.

by adamriggs on Mar 16, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

It seems like both sides want(ed) to resolve this, but nobody spoke up -hardcore enough

Seems like nobody said I want to be your QB lets get this over with.
McD seemed to want to tell Cutler his angle on how he would explore every trade and the nfl is a biz, instead or forgetting that when cutler didnt respond to it and just say Your our QB we want you etc…

2nd
It seems like Cutler got used to Shanahan’s treatment of players. Going out to lunch with players and the such that it now seems Cutler still wants and expects.

by RiG on Mar 16, 2009 11:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Jay bashing...

None of us were in the room with Jay and Josh, so what is up with all the bashing?
What If, what Jay says was exactly the way it went, then what would we be saying right now?
Point is we don’t know what has been going on between Jay and Josh except on what is given to us in the press.
There has always been a belief that the Broncos organization that it treats its Staff and Players as family. This great feeling of a Great Organization that all want to be a part of, also one that us fans have always been proud of. What Happened?

Change is in the air, don’t know if it is for the best or the worse but it is definately creating a divide. Could be the press, could be the fans, could be all the above, but for sure the appearance of the divide is here.
When ever there is unrest with the family someone with authority steps up and fixes it or it just keeps rolling along until it becomes disfunctional and the family fragments until it takes sides and then forever splits.

This may sound over dramatic but the Bronco’s and fans are my family and I am watching the beginning of division and possible split of my team and fans, something that I have never before witnessed. There is unrest and nobody with authority is stepping up to the plate and take control here.
So, I guess I will have to prepare for what may become common this year and take a side. Should never have gone this far………No adults at the table, and this type of unrest will always happen. Leaving for the rest of us to fill in all the blanks with unreliable info and raw emotion…..bad times…..hope I am on the right side….Go Broncos…..

by pwsbronco on Mar 16, 2009 11:43 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

who cares

Cutler millon dollar arm, ten cent brain. Sounds just like Elway twenty-five years ago. But if we trade him, draft picks only. Please no Brady Quinn, then we will have two average college QB’s on the roster.

by perniscious on Mar 16, 2009 11:50 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Gonna be honest, Bronco fans.

I’m a Giants fan, and let me say that there are a limited number of quarterbacks I would trade for. However, one guy who I consider a good enough upgrade is Jay Cutler. Obviously it wouldn’t happen, but there are plenty of teams out there that would want him. You guys won’t understand what you have until its gone. Who’s gonna lead that team without Jay Cutler? I mean, sure there are other players, but the best aspect of this Broncos team is its passing game. And honestly, to be fair, to us non-Bronco fans, it looks like Jay is in the right here. He was here for years before McDaniels, and honestly Cutler<Cassel. Cutler would absolutely own in the Patriots offensive system. So while I could understand everything before, with McDaniels wanting his own quarterback, the smart thing to do once it all blows up in your face is to smooth things over with your Franchise (capitalized for emphasis) quarterback. I just don’t understand the rationale of telling Cutler you’re still thinking about trading him, even if you are. And it seems to me right now that some of you (not all, but some) are blinded by fandom to rationally examine the issue at hand, whether McDaniels is helping or hurting the team right now. Hopefully this issue works itself out, I’m rooting for you guys to win the West, haha.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Mar 16, 2009 10:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

hmm

Eli Manning for Jay cutler?

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Mar 16, 2009 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

no offense, but

Cutler < Cassel is saying that Cutler is less than Cassel. I just had to point it out.

by adamriggs on Mar 16, 2009 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

What kind of draft choices can Denver get for McD?

Yeah, that pretty much solidifies my evaluation of who provides more value to the future of the Broncos.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Mar 16, 2009 11:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

cutler

man how did this get to this point?? come on Mcduck show the kid a little love !! your the coach ,we know that you are and now Jay knows it. you want a guy you can groom in to your game / what more do you need ,he is a young Q as NFL Q`s go and damn he can throw the ball {DA}!!! mr Bowlen don`t you think you let this game go farther then you should have?/ Stand up and show all who owns this F$%#k team or are you going to let this coach run the show like the last guy??? bus you need to take a hike cause you have mess up 2 Q`s now . See ya !!! Jay you say your a team player well show it and prove to the denver fans who you really are. this is all BS get over it and play ball . your fans want you play in denver not some other place like DETROIT!!! No ring there soon!!!

by broncotdad on Mar 17, 2009 12:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm torn

On one hand, Cutler is throwing a full-on hissy fit about this for what wouldn’t seem to be the world’s greatest reason. On the other hand, Josh McDaniels even considering a Cutler/Cassel trade makes him a great big dummy.

Unfortunately, the ones who are really losing here at you guys. I wish you luck.

by Dave the Falconer on Mar 17, 2009 10:55 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs