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Something different, some thoughts on the 2nd Round

Well I thought I might throw up something that hasn’t been beaten to death like a dead horse the past two weeks, and that is who would you select in the second round or who do you target.  Granted this is obviously very hypothetical at this point, and a lot will depend on what happens with Cutler (sigh), and who we select in the 1st round, but here are my likely candidates:

S – Louis Delmas, Western Michigan,  (Styg and Broncobear have better write ups) Delmas is an athletic playmaker that has great instincts. He has a sleek frame that could use more mass, but he delivers devastating hits that leave a mark. He has great awareness and an explosive burst to the ball. He flashes soft hands and turns defense into offense instantly. He’s fluid in his backpedal and flips his hips nicely in coverage. He has great quickness and good straight-line speed. - Chris Steuber, Scout.com

DT – Ron Brace, Boston College,  Brace is a massive interior lineman who controls the middle. He has a quick first step, uses his hands effectively and is able to take on double teams. He uses his size to his advantage to gain the upper hand against the opposition and collapses the pocket. He’s strong against the run and flashes the ability to penetrate disrupting the quarterback. - Chris Steuber, Scout.com

DT – Evander Hood, Missouri, Hood is a solid defender who plays with a high motor. He has great size and quickness, and plays with leverage. He’s fast off the line, blades through the gap and quickly locates the ball carrier. He’s physical at the point of attack and holds his own against a bigger opposition and double teams. He’s a durable, reliable defender who demonstrates great toughness in the trenches. - Chris Steuber, Scout.com

DE – Jarrin Gilbert, San Jose Sate,  Gilbert is a versatile lineman who has outstanding athleticism. He has a great frame and could add more mass. He can play inside or outside and flashes the ability to be a tremendous threat behind the line of scrimmage. He has long arms and delivers a quick punch to gain an advantage. He holds up well against double teams and disengages quick enough to track down a ball carrier. He’s viewed as a tweener. - Chris Steuber, Scout.com

S – William Moore, Missouri, Moore is a strong, playmaking safety that can alter a game with his unique blend of attributes. He’s a forceful, run defending safety, who also defends well in coverage. He’s fast in pursuit, tracks down ballcarriers and brings them down on initial contact. He anticipates the action well, reads the quarterback, displays a great burst to the ball and uses his excellent ball skills. - Chris Steuber, Scout.com

CB –Victor Harris, Virginia Tech, Harris is a well-built defensive back with tremendous skills. He's an aggressive defender who jams opponents at the line, stalling their progress getting into their routes. He has good footwork and flips his hips well in transition. He has excellent instincts, immediately locates the ball in the air, and displays great timing in pass defense. He's a willing defender against the run, but has to improve his tackling. - Chris Steuber, Scout.com

OLB – Clint Sintim, Virginia, Sintim is an aggressive defender who’s a perfect fit for a team that runs a 3-4 defense. He has great size, strength and quickness. He takes good angles off the edge and possesses outstanding tackling technique. He takes on the opposition at the line of scrimmage, sheds well and is good in pursuit. He can play the SAM linebacker position in a 4-3 defense, but has to improve his cover skills. – Chris Steuber, Scout.com

There obviously are some others, I had thought about including Max Unger and maybe a WR or two, but I would say right now I would personally lean toward Jarrin Gilbert who reminds me a whole lot of Trevor Pryce or Victor Harris who was teammates with Eddie Royal, Harris obviously has practiced and played against NFL caliper players and seems like a typical tough, smart Virginia Tech player. 

 In addition, those of you who want another distraction, the following link is to join a NCAA bracket pick’em pool, something to follow for the next few weeks instead of the JC v JM saga.  Bronco Fans Unite

Poll
Who would you select in the 2nd round
Louis Delmars - FS - Western Michigan
10 votes
Ron Brace - DT - Boston College
57 votes
Jarrin Gilbert - DT/DE - San Jose State
5 votes
Victor Harris - CB - Virginia Tech
3 votes
William Moore - S - Missouri
6 votes
Evander Hood - DT - Missouri
7 votes
Clint Stimin -OLB _Viginia
2 votes
Other - Explain below
5 votes

95 votes | Poll has closed

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Sorry I misspelled Clint's last name

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman

by Broncoman on Mar 17, 2009 7:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Can I just say, thank you

for a decent, well conceived post that doesn’t have to do with the topic that shall not be named. I’m not that versed on the college players so I tend to defer to those who are much better informed. But I am grateful 1) to have a well though post, and 2) on a topic that hasn’t been beat to death.

Having said that, I think 2nd round is going to vary dramatically based on what happens in the 1st. I’ve seen mocks with us taking everyone from Raji to Sanchez. I almost wish we would trade our 1st for a 2nd and 3rd this year.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 17, 2009 7:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Second the thank you!

"If you don't know where your going you might find yourself somplace else."

by BroncoJoe87 on Mar 17, 2009 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

just because it doesn’t involve Cutler except for half a sentence!!!

No, rec’d because someone actually put some time into the topic that shall not be named. I hope the topic that shall not be named doesn’t harm The Spleen.

Cutler, Marshall, and Scheffler to Detroit for Calvin Johnson, 2009 First Round Pick (20), 2009 Second Round Pick (33), and 2010 First Round Pick (?).

Get it done, McD.

What can you do for a team with 4 picks that early? I'm salivating at the combonations.

by broncodude793 on Mar 17, 2009 7:22 PM MDT reply actions  

The Spleen

I really think the Spleen will do quite well this year…I know he’s a lefty but he has a sweet touch on the ball and has a lot to prove…I read something earlier about someone hoping Leftwich could come in and start over the Spleen…NOOO, I’m not a fan of Leftwich. Give the Spleen a chance, he will prove his worth in the preseason. Just like Hillis will!

by gunnermc on Mar 17, 2009 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I went for other Broncoman

the reason is what do we do in the first?

For the players I like most, Delmas 1, Hood 2, Moore 3, Sintim 4, Gilbert 5. I would be happy with anyone of them really.

Delmas for sure, then next year…Taylor Mays baby! Delmas and Mays would be my safety future and big thanks to B Dawk for helping out while we harvest that future.

"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!

"he (Turner) can get perfomance out of a yugo, but that is no reason not to buy a nicer car"....Broncobear

by Steve O' on Mar 17, 2009 7:22 PM MDT reply actions  

The only problem I have with taking Taylor Mays,

is that we’ll have to have a bad year to be in position to draft him. Since we’re going to win the Superbowl this year I think he’s gonna be out of the picture :)

by jaffe28 on Mar 18, 2009 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

I love these second round prospects.

I think that the second round is more open than the first, and there are several ways we can go with our pick. There are several players that fill our biggest needs and are projected to go right where we pick. Right now I would have to say that Ron Brace would help us out the most, with Ziggy Hood coming in a close second. In a way, I’m looking forward to our second round pick more than our first.

Another second round prospect I like that we hopefully won’t have to look at is Nate Davis, QB of Ball State. He could be excellent in McD’s system.

Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark

by papigrande on Mar 17, 2009 7:25 PM MDT reply actions  

2nd Round

What about backers like Connor Barwin? or if Clay Matthews falls that far which I highly doubt…But I really like Barwin. Obviously we need Brace or any NT…But is he rated that much higher than other guys such at Mighigans NT Terrance Taylor? I like Barwins upside and really hope we snatch him up…

by gunnermc on Mar 17, 2009 7:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Raji

The 2nd will obviously depend on the 1st…Hopefully Raji slips to us at 12…I dont know I love this time of year. I just hate on draft day when the team picks someone none of us die hards saw them picking…

by gunnermc on Mar 17, 2009 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I didn't put Conner in there or Clay, I thought both of these guys may likely end up being

high second or late 1st round picks

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman

by Broncoman on Mar 17, 2009 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, he is

But if we can create a different option, I’d love to have Barwin

Hillis in '09

by Doc Bear on Mar 17, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I voted for Brace but I don't think he'll still be available.

I would like us to continue to focus on building the D line.

I can win an argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this, and steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don't even invite me. -Dave Barry

by PosterNutbag on Mar 17, 2009 7:36 PM MDT reply actions  

Agree

That would be a good choice assuming we get Maualuga with #12.

If he is not available, I would suggest maybe Robert Ayers if he can play OLB (not sure — defer to the experts there). The safeties are appealing. Depth and future replacement for Dawkins.

by ColoradoOwl on Mar 17, 2009 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's a tough choice

Brace seems to be shooting up a lot of draft boards recently, I think Brace will be a solid player, I picked Gilbert just because I think he has more upside than Brace, but I wouldn’t be unhappy with Brace.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman

by Broncoman on Mar 17, 2009 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hoorah!

I almost forgot about Draftivus!!

May our celebration this year be as fruitful as the last!

I’m not one to keep a keen eye on college prospects, so I have nothing to add to this conversation… however, if I did, I’m sure you would all be dazzled by my immense knowledge…. or not!

~Davus.X~
Est. 1967
Bleeding Orange and Blue for 42 years
Newest Resident of La-La-Land! Mike Clark for President!
13-3 BABY!

by Davus.X on Mar 17, 2009 7:40 PM MDT reply actions  

Cool draftivus stuff is still coming.

We shoudl have an announcement tomorrow morning for the first Draftivus Event!

Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 17, 2009 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks a lot Broncos!

You’rve RUINED Draftivus!

I can win an argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this, and steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don't even invite me. -Dave Barry

by PosterNutbag on Mar 17, 2009 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Voted for Brace.

Especially if we get Rey Rey.

"You were never meant to lose."

by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 17, 2009 7:57 PM MDT reply actions  

I voted Jaron Gilbert

on the grounds that I don’t think Hood will be there and Gilbert is the most legit interms of A)starting for us and B)adding to our run defense.

Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 17, 2009 8:03 PM MDT reply actions  

I really like Gilbert

Like I said earlier, I think he reminds me alot of Trevor Pryce, just raw right now. But I think he transitions well into a DE in a 3-4.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman

by Broncoman on Mar 17, 2009 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

what about fili maola

or is he more of a 3rd rounder

bye bye DRE

by robbo650 on Mar 17, 2009 8:21 PM MDT reply actions  

I think we can assume that both will be gone

but they would both be awesome choices in the 2nd. Not sure which one I would prefer, probably whichever one whose position wasn’t selected int eh first round (dline vs LB).

Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 17, 2009 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice Broncoman...

I would be happy with all those guys, but if i had to pick I would say Ron Brace.
Thanks for the post.
I am almost at the stage where I am bored of all the repititive BS we have had, and this post talked me off the edge.
I NEED MORE POSTS ABOUT THE BRONCOS NOT DRAMAS!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Mar 17, 2009 8:45 PM MDT reply actions  

as far as at the safety position

i dont know if we’ll be drafting one in the second round anymore because of the signings, but as far prospects go at that position, whatever happened to Patrick Chung? I know that seemed to be a pick ppl agreed on for the second round.

For those of you that pay more attention to such things than I do, how did his combine go? did it raise or drop his stock?

like i said i dont know if we are still in the running for a safety until later in the draft, but just thought id ask about Chung

by uclabruin34 on Mar 17, 2009 9:04 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm a big William Moore guy.

He can play either safety position, is a ballhawk, and while we improved at both spots it’s still gonna be a big issue in the near future. I doubt the Broncos will go that direction, but I hope they do.

by SethGrandpa on Mar 17, 2009 10:17 PM MDT reply actions  

It's just to early to tell!

It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.

by metalman5050 on Mar 18, 2009 1:56 AM MDT reply actions  

I dont want to sound dumb but I have a question

Why would it be such a reach for us to take a guy like brace with the 12. I mean is it because of the money situation that goes along with the 12th pick or do people just not think he would live up to being worth that high of a pick? It seems to me he has all the tools to become a very good NT and that would(could) fill a big time need for us. Just a question for someone who knows more to answer. I know alot about football on the feild but when it comes to the draft and money situations I am a complete novice.

by broncosorbust on Mar 18, 2009 3:34 AM MDT reply actions  

At this point I would say yes

But he has been moving up boards, so I don’t know, orginally I think most people had him pegged as a 4th or 3rd rounder, but as need for NT increases his value has also increased, many had Raji as a middle of 1st round to late 1st round pick, but now he is considered top 5.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman

by Broncoman on Mar 18, 2009 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Broncosorbust - good question

The answer to your question is a lot more intricate than my answer will be, but I wil try my best

The main objective of each team in the NFL is to maximize their ability to help their team, obviously. Each pick then has a certain value and each player also has a certain value. What teams want to avoid doing is wasting a pick on a guy that if a team, say the Broncos, could trade down and still receive while adding extra value (the extra picks in the trade).

For example, many project Ron Brace to be drafted anywhere in the second round. If and when Denver is on the clock with the 12th pick, they deem that Brace is the guy they want they could trade down with another team, still get Brace and add extra value from the trade. The “reach” part is simply a term for drafting a player who is not worthy of the current pick. In so many words – why take him at 12 and pay him more money for making him the 12th selection when you could have traded down added extra picks and paid the same guy a lot less by selecting him in the second round.

Another example of a reach would be Jarvis Moss. The Broncos that season held the 21st overall selection, and many experts thought Moss would be available for Denver to select without trading up to get him. Mike Shanahan deemed that he really needed Moss and he traded up a few selections to get him. Mike “reached” for Moss due to the fact he wasn’t worth trading up for. The cost of moving up, combined with the value of the selection didn’t add up to Moss’ projected value to the team. Denver reached for Moss. A more sound strategy in this situation would have been to stay put and draft Moss at Denver’s original position instead of moving up to the 17th slot to get him.

The draft is like going car shopping at a big lot. You have the league telling you when it’s your turn to buy the car (draft selection) and when your selection is up (12th currently) you get to pick out of all the cars available (players). If you don’t think that the cars available to you the first time are any better than the cars that will be available the second time around, why pay more? The first time you pick is going to cost the same regardless what car you get…so if you get a Ferrari or Yugo it’s all going to cost the same. Pick wisely.

"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!

"he (Turner) can get perfomance out of a yugo, but that is no reason not to buy a nicer car"....Broncobear

by Steve O' on Mar 18, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Steve O

 That was actually a pretty good analogy. Cudos to you my friend.

Strength and honor

by kybroncomaniac on Mar 18, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Add to this

the scenario where you say, “This guy isn’t worth oour twelve, but he is definitely worth our 2nd round pick.” Then you wait, adn he is gone before you can get him.

This is why the Broncos free agency moves are so impressive. If “that guy” is gone, they can always take “this other guy” and not as a booby prize, since the Broncos are levelling off need with the free agents they have brought in. There are no prospects on the board that can hold them captive, such as Brace, because he is so important the Broncos CANNOT pass on him. Instead they can see that his value is too low at twelve, pass on him, if he is there later, great, if not they will be looking at other players who can help elsewhere. They don’t let the prospect hold their pick hostage.

There is still potential for a crazy situation that forces the Broncos to do something they didnt plan on, but it isn’t very likely.

Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 18, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the answers guys

Yall cleared up most of the things I wasnt getting. I tell ya though for the guys who are playing this high stakes game of poker the intensity must be amazing. I mean you have to sit there and wait all the while hopeing the guy you want will still be there, and I bet there is a ton of crazy thoughts running through their heads thinking they shoulda done this or done that or omg I really messed up. I dont think I could stand that much pressure, those guys really earn their money. I guess this will be my 1st year of sitting in front of the television on draft day, sweating it out with the rest of you guys. I used to just trust that Shanny would do his best and I would read about the pics later on, but not this year(or probably ever again lol).

by broncosorbust on Mar 20, 2009 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was alot of work you put in to that answer

and I really appreciate you taking the time to answer. Much appreciated, especially for putting it in way I could understand. Like I said I know everything thats going during a game but this draft stuff is really new to me. Anyway thanks again for the explanation it helped me alot.

by broncosorbust on Mar 21, 2009 12:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

I voted Brace

I don’t think Raji will slip to #12 so we’ll still need the big body and Brace is as good a prospect for NT as Raji is and a better value in the 2nd round.

If we do get Raji then I like both Delmas and Moore.

by jaffe28 on Mar 18, 2009 8:27 AM MDT reply actions  

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