New Horses in the Stable - The Denver Broncos Defense
Enough about Cutler and McDaniels already! Let's talk about real football, and by that I mean D-E-F-E-N-S-E!
I've been holding back on my views of the signings until I had some time to review the players, the 3-4, and my thoughts on how Nolan would run the system. And here's what I've come up with:
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Dawkins at Safety (Free Safety) is a no-brainer. The man is a legend in my book. I wrote recently that he revolutionized the safety position and that outside of the Broncos, Brian Dawkins has always been my favorite NFL player. At 35, he's not quite what he once was. However, don't be deceived. While not Superman, he remains in the top three-to-five of all safeties in the League. His obsession with fitness and his natural abilities will add immediate impact to the defense.
Dawkins is a rare animal in the NFL kingdom. As a safety, he will do two things at once. First, don't expect anymore "routine" long plays on the ground for running backs on opposing teams. Dawkins can and will shut down almost every run that clears the front seven. Second, while Champ Bailey covers the strongside, Dawkins will double the effectiveness of any corner playing the weakside of the field.
In the attacking defense I'm expecting to see, some might wonder if Dawkins will reprise his role as a blitzing safety. He has the speed, power and agility to make it happen. With his abilities, I've seen him race from the deep-zone position to make a tackle on a RB before the runner even reaches the line of scrimmage. But I think the jury is out on this role. If he can guard breakaway runs and provide coverage over the top of receivers, I'll be thrilled. Denver will notice immediate improvement in defensive stats over the last two unfortunate years.
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The next player I looked at was Renaldo Hill. His abilities make him a clear choice for strong safety. He's versatile enough to provide pass coverage, and like Dawkins he can stop the run. Here again, we see an emphasis on safeties who play dual roles instead of specializing. His ability to cover a TE re-emphasizes the notion that our OLBs may be built from converted DEs.
Some may wonder where this leaves Barrett. I think he competes for the SS spot with Hill, and may be a future weapon. In a safety-heavy draft, perhaps the Hill signing takes us out of the safety race to concentrate on other positions.
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Andre Goodman played alongside Hill for the past two years in Miami. At 30, I think he's peaking in performance. He had a terrific year with the upstart Dolphins in '08. Want to feel good about this signing? Read the excellent piece by MHR writer BroncoBear here. Like Bailey on the other side, he's not getting any younger. The pattern I'm seeing is older but proven names that are here for immediate impact to hold the fort until younger blood can be brought in.
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Need proof? Look no further than my last player. Andra Davis is yet another 30-year old. He comes from the Browns and will see time at ILB. Of the four players I'm focusing on, I'm guessing he has the most shelf life. Unlike LBs from Denver's past, Davis is not a speed demon. His main role will be stopping the run, and I see him as a clear choice to play at ILB. He's very good at what he does, and I expect to see our run defense to improve right away. Again, BroncoBear has already written an in-depth piece on a player that needs no expansion from anybody else.
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A lot will happen between now and the start of the season. The draft should be a bonanza for a team that has filled in so many holes so far. But here is my take on what the defense is shaping up to look like.
For now, I'm going to skip the defensive line. I'm still reviewing the acquisitions we've made, and trying to sort out how they might fit in. The safety and corner positions have some more firmness after the three signings I discussed earlier. This leaves the LBs.
My early guess is that the ILB positions are done. DJ Williams looks like a RILB to me, with Davis at LILB. I don't see many runs up the gut against these two. Woodyard has the speed to play LOLB, perhaps doing some TE coverage to free up Hill. If the talk from McDaniels about moving Dumervil to OLB is correct, he could play ROLB, getting a wider alignment to use his pass-rush skills on the blindside of most QBs.
Of course, in the mix-and-match world of the 3-4, DJ could play OLB, and arguments could be made for switching Doom and Woodyard. Indeed, we may see different faces altogether.
In the end, I came up with the following conclusions.
- The signings we've made are sound. We have immediate impact players and the defense is almost certain to improve right away.
- The signings we've made are not for long-term players. These guys are all in their thirties.
- All of a sudden, we've covered enough positions on defense with free agency to allow us to consider "best player available" in the draft, as opposed to going after positions of need. This makes the draft easier for our management and allows for some long-term building across the board.
I give the management an "A" so far on the defensive side of the ball. Because of the moves we've made, I'm looking forward to the draft more than I was before. I'm still looking at the DL in terms of how our signings might make an impact, but we now have good players in the back eight, and we can use the draft to get younger players to train up. The offense continues to look sound and young, with only the QB position at risk.
I'm still hopeful the Cutler saga works out. Either Cutler stays and things improve, or the new management has plenty of draft picks and a hot, young QB to wheel and deal with. I think things work out for Denver either way. So far, the free agency moves have steered Denver in the right direction, and even provided some insurance (by allowing flexibility in the draft) to absorb a QB drama.
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Thanx HT, a great read as usual---I thing I take from this----no matter what happens,
lets keep our collective head up, and move on…..
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by UB3 on Mar 18, 2009 8:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
All is well.
We move on with or without Cutler, but the team is finally building up a war chest of talent for now and the future. Whether we keep or lose Cutler, I honestly expect Denver to coninue improving for several years. In fact, even with the current “crisis”, I think Denver will be better this year than I had thought at the end of last season.
I’m feeling good about our direction.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha thank you
Amidst all this Cutler drama it is good to see others focused on why we are here and realistically believing that this Broncos team still has a team with or without him at the helm. It’s a shame that all these moves have been lost in the drama that’s currently taking place, even prompting Michael Smith to call the Broncos of all teams ‘the losers’ early on in the free agency period despite all the signings (which I personally find comical). I’m with you on the experience and strength of the players brought in.
However, that’s only half the battle. The team still needs to bring the young guys in. I’m happy for now when I see these guys on the field, but at the same time I know they probably won’t be guys I’m going to see on the field for years to come. I do agree with you on the Davis point as well in terms of shelf life (you’ve got to like the 3-4 experience he brings to the table). Let’s hope that is the case.
by phantom818 on Mar 18, 2009 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen.
If the draft goes as well as free agency, we should be set for years to come. Frankly, I’m having a hard time understanding all the hoopla around the current “crisis”. Ok, we have a QB controversy. But folks! The team is making great strides everywhere else, and the QB thing will be fixed…
…one way or another.
Things are looking up in Denver, and it’s easy to see if one realizes that Cutler is just one news story amongst many.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always hope the media
calls us failures in our draft/FA moves, they seem to always be wrong (See 2008 draft)
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by Darin H on Mar 18, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Michael Smith's take
That’s a very interesting opinion, but there was an evaluation on the NFL channel in which it was concluded that the Broncos had done better than anyone else in the Free Agency sweepstakes — with the only negative being the Cutler drama, which wasn’t actually a part of free agency.
Our situation at LB is what interests me the most. I had also come to the conclusion that DJ belonged at R-ILB. And I also expect we’ll see him on the outside at times, too.
Shoring up areas on defense alters the outlook in the draft. I don’t know that we’re “done” at ILB, it’s more a question of ‘when’ or at what point in the draft that we may add. What it does is change the emphasis on picking an ILB in first part of the draft (~1 – 3 rounds), as well as the necessity to do so, to having the freedom to add at a later point — or not, if justified.
As I said recently, relying on the draft for starters next year is extraordinarily optimistic, as well as unrealistic. The league averages for rookie contributions give us guidance for what to expect, and it’s not unrealistic to expect an even greater contribution from the next crop, given the amount of openings we have (in terms of available playing time, in cases where we’ll stay have veteran starters).
by Colinski on Mar 18, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second your last paragraph
2008 was unique, on many levels, and it can’t be overlooked how many starters were culled from that draft all around the NFL, not just in Denver. It was exceptionally deep and filled with talent.
2006 is a better measure. True starters emerged from that group, but most took a year or two to get in. Even that is pretty good. I expect a Round 1 guy at most positions to be expected to start (its a money thing). 2nd should be able to start within a year if the situation is right. 3rd should start within a couple of years. Everyone else should be targeted for something very specific, some kind of production that they bring and have proven. I have no problem with upside, but they should be good picks based on what they have produced, even if it is only one thing, and tht production shoudl reflect where they are valued.
Just my opinion though. I’m sure there are lots of sound ways to skin a draft.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 18, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've grown to trust your opinions,
and your comments reassure me. Thanks
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by Trinidad Jack on Mar 18, 2009 9:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
We are in a good spot, if one digs deeply enough to see the signs.
Our new coach is bringing in solid players, not big names. (Dawkins is a big name, but doesn’t have a big name ego). With those moves, he has covered the defense enough to avoid forced decisions in the draft. Now, we can deal or take best availables. This isn’t something I saw coming, and McDaniels has been very shrewd. That’s why he is in the big leagues, and I’m not.
It’s unfortunate that while the coach only listened to trade talks, Cook portrayed this as a threat to Cutler. But McD is moving ahead with the right attitude, and building a team the right way. The players seem to be behind him. (The older players seem to be with him, recognizing that Jay is being “played” by his agent).
Hopefully Jay recognizes what is going on, or Cook backs off. But with or without Jay, the team is moving in the right direction.
Bottom line – we are in great shape moving forward this season. Even if we lose our QB, it looks like we have the variables with picks and perhaps a trade to improve.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with one exception
I think he got it wrong with leech.
Other than that everything else he has done so far i don’t have a problem with (up to and including the “C” word).
Then again i prefer D and ST more than the O side of the ball.
by AlleyCat. on Mar 18, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leech threw me too.
I haven’t delved into this issue at all. I know that a true long snapper is a rare find, and an amazingly underappreciated talent. I don’t know if age, money, or something else was a factor in the decision. We’ll have to see how that one plays out.
If the incoming talent holds his own, we’ll move on with nary a raised eyebrow. On the other hand, the moves I’ve seen on defense look like brilliance to me. Switching to a 3-4 and bringing in the talent that we have has cleared up much of the defensive woes on paper, and we even have some competition going at NT. If the leech move was valid, we’re ok. If it was an error, I might forgive one or two for a new, young coach. Given his moves in other areas, I’m incline to think he has sound reasoning.
Even the Cutlergate issue seems to have been caused more by a zealous agent than by a foolish coach or immature QB. I still have faith in the coach and the QB. The agent, less so.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am with you guys on Leach....
And, to be honest, there has been more of a vocal outcry by the players about Leach than there is about Cutler. That said, Paxton is no slouch and has been the long-snapper for some of the biggest kicks in NFL history. He’s not a downgrade by any means, though the need really wasn’t there…
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by John Bena on Mar 18, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I think about Leach
and consider that McDaniels has come right out of the gates as a “team first” guy, I’m starting to think it was probably a team culture decision. Not that Leach wasn’t a great teammate to those around him — he clearly was, judging by the outcry alone — but maybe there are some intangibles to Paxton’s persona that only someone who has been around him awhile can appreciate. Judging from afar, as uninformed as we are, to me it looks like Paxton has a certain infectiousness that truly endeared him to Patriots players and fans alike. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a decision like that, but it’s one that is hard to see and explain to guys who don’t really know Lonnie yet. Just a guess — since McD strikes me as a results-first guy, and their production is essentially a wash, nothing else about it really makes sense. Lonnie must be a positive personality.
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by broncosmontana on Mar 18, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very little difference.
The pay was almost identical, the age/experience is the same, and the "team first’ mentality is the same. I hate to say it but the Leach deal looks to me like change for change’s sake. In my opinion it was a mistake. I have been a Leach fan for several years but that was cemented in training camp last summer when I saw Mike laying out some pretty impressive blocks as a tight end and making a few catches that were reminiscent of easy Ed. I am willing to give Coach McDaniels a Mulligan on this one and will condede there are things we may not know, as Broncosmontana points out. Thanks for the post HT and I am sure glad to be lookiing at the defense. Your contributions to this community are very much appreciated.
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by firstfan on Mar 18, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though the pay was identical
have we looked at how the contracts were “timed”? That is, one possible reason we haven’t explored is that the Broncos were looking ahead to when they needed to resign Leach, and they may have seen untenable circumstances. If there was something to hinder an extension, such as current timing, then they may have felt like starting over with a new free agent was the way to go, with a deal that gets them over any bumpy spots in the road in the forseeable future.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 18, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm... I do not know.
Good point. Both contracts were less than $1mm.
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by firstfan on Mar 18, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was something that entered my mind
I don’t remember exactly, but was he up this year, or next?
I don’t know that re-signing him was going to be a problem, but Paxton’s signing may have reduced next year’s pile of FAs by one. I recall looking up the upcoming FAs and seeing his name along with a rather too large number of others.
Whatever the case, I can think of a number of possibilities that would justify signing Paxton. If Leach was up this year, Paxton undercut his bargaining position (although people won’t like that). And, if up next year, it took one more negotiation out of an overburdened group, and also moved the cap hit one year forward, where we have more room to absorb the hit.
I found it:
Broncos | Contract breakdown: M. Leach
Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:54:42 -0800
Denver Broncos TE/LS Mike Leach signed a four-year contract with base salaries of $585,000 (2006), $720,000 (2007), $730,000 (2008) and $740,000 (2009)
it looks like I was on the right track. And Leach was also in a position to ask for a little more next time, so his contract might have cost more than Paxton’s, although people often miss this ‘leap-frogging’ effect that occurs when salary averages escalate.
I don’t see the cost of his prospective salary as a big concern, but the timing clearly was.
by Colinski on Mar 18, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another post said Paxton brings more Special Teams play to the table
in addition to just long snapping. Is there any validity to this?
According to NFL.com Paxton averages one tackle per yer. Is he used some other way on special teams we all are not aware of?
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by Blackshirt4Broncos on Mar 18, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
both do well
This is a touchy subject for many. Leach led the team in special teams points in a recent season, so he was no slouch either.
I seem to recall that he was a ‘dive at the knees’ sort of blocker coming in, and improved his blocking ability over time to become more than adequate. I don’t think blocking was his strength, and I even wondered if they were looking at Prater’s poor late season performance as being partly the result of too much pressure coming up the middle on FG attempts.
I analyzed the importance of ‘secondary duties’ (i.e., backup at other positions) versus ‘primarly duties’ (i.e., accuracy of snap, blocking after snap, etc.) and came to the conclusion that primary duties should carry much greater weight in the roster decision.
I’m not an ‘X and O’ guy, nor can I pretend much knowledge on special teams, so it’s tough for me to offer much here. Leach was quite good on coverage. Paxton certainly looks like he has more to offer in blocking ability (he’s a smallish OC but Leach was a smallish TE). Paxton may offer a little wedge busting ability.
Some here have offered that Paxton’s knowledge of McDaniels’ scheme was the biggest edge. I think we should also look at instances when the LS needs to deviate from the normal routine (so to speak).
by Colinski on Mar 18, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
But with or without Jay, the team is moving in the right direction.
I’m surprised by how many people are painting this as a “lose if we do, lose if we don’t” scenario for the Broncos. If we make up with Jay, we win. If we trade Jay and get value back, we win. It’s an assumption, yes, but I guess now I’m feeling fairly confident we won’t trade him without having a solid plan at QB.
I know it’s not easy to find a franchise QB. But McD is clearly treating every position with equal importance, and won’t hesitate to call out the QB when he needs to. I’m not sure how comfortable Jay would be not being “the guy that moves the team,” given his career in college and the pros thus far. Elway learned to share the load late in his career and won a couple of Super Bowls — that’s a perspective Jay could value from, I think. But it all comes down to culture, ultimately.
Sorry to go off on another You Know Who tangent. Seemed appropriate at the time. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Mar 18, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real Football IS DEFENSE!!!!
I love it! Placing people to needs and how they fit. Hoosierteacher, you are truely a great writer and your communication skills are unmatched!
What a great breath of fresh air. Thanks for all you do for MHR.
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by kybroncomaniac on Mar 18, 2009 9:13 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm biased. I LOVE defense.
I also love that an offene minded coach is fixing our defense. Imagine how much our offense will improve under the guy? He seems well rounded to me. If Shanahan had a fault, it was that he let our defense down. I love Shanny, but I’m learning to like this young, new coach too.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wonder
if that was the edge McDaniels had over the other coaches interviews, he gave a plan to change the entire team and maybe other just said the O is good, here’s what I’ll do for the D?
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by Darin H on Mar 18, 2009 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his overarching philosophy is the key.
You’re right.
His philosophy over and above football systems is what seperates him. “Ameoba” – the use of adaptibility in whatever system is primary, “The NE way” – every position treated as a skill position, “Team First” – no player (or agent) is allowed to be a me first act.
I think this rises above the guys who said, “Keep the offense, fix the defense”. I agree 100% Darin.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
I agree as well, and I love it.
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by broncosmontana on Mar 18, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree
Along with the Amoeba System (we need to coin a new term for this, something that sounds at least a little bit more threatening) and Team First mentality hopefully McD also threw in the Magic 3 to impress Bowlen.
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/2/19/761326/the-h-back-using-the-magic
Although it may just be wishful thinking on my part.
It is a good sign that Scheffler is attending the voluntary workouts and I hope McD has big plans for Scheff, Graham, & Hillis in this formation from time to time. We could easily surprise defenses if we break from the huddle and line up in this.
McD: Keep Scheff and install the Magic 3!
by c_style on Mar 19, 2009 12:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As am I,
I love defense also, and seeing what Coach McDaniels is doing defensively really puts my mind to rest. That was the concerns I had when we hired an Offense minded coach. He is gaining my trust more and more every day.
We see this through the same glasses for sure.
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by kybroncomaniac on Mar 18, 2009 9:27 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I wanted a defensive minded coach. I got it, though with a coach known for offense. Love that balance!
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoot
I would be happy with an offensive minded defense… if that makes any sense. I just hope to see more than 6 picks and 9 forced fumbles, which is Captain Insaneo in my my opinion.
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by Choochoobonewagon on Mar 19, 2009 4:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rock on!
I have been very happy with our free agency signings on the D as well. I haven’t analyzed it as much as you have, but it seemed to me there was a shrewd logic behind all of the signings on this side of the ball. I love that we have opened up options for ourselves in the draft (as you pointed out).
I also agree that things are not as bleak as people make them out to be.
Looking forward to the D-Line analysis.
Thanks!
by NedBronco on Mar 18, 2009 9:29 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
D-line analysis is coming.
I’m looking at our current roster (post free agency signings), looking at probable moves (certain DEs to OLB, such as Elvis Doom), and waiting to see what happens with the draft. It’s still too early for me to paint a clear picture. One thing is reasonable to guess at. I think we will see more run stopping emphasis and power at DE than before. This won’t be a light and fast line (my guess).
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said,
really looking forward to this. Lots of questions here for me. Thanks again.
by NedBronco on Mar 18, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I want to say here is that
with enough hard work Elvis could be the “next” James Harrison.
Couldn’t he?
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by Blackshirt4Broncos on Mar 18, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure as heck
wouldn’t want to be the guy who counted him out. He had been leaving doubters in his wake since he decided to lace on pads. Regardless of what else he might be good at, he is exceptionally good at surmounting obstacles…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 18, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
DEFENSE!!!!!!!
We are shaping up very nicely!!! Now some D-line help and some attitude!!!
by gunnermc on Mar 18, 2009 9:40 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great read HT...
As usual. I’m cautiously optimistic about our defense this year.
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by Davus.X on Mar 18, 2009 9:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta Love the D
I thought that when we grabbed them all they were all good signs and maybe some of the current players and future rookies can contribute in Sub-packages.
by maritimebronco on Mar 18, 2009 10:00 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
What do you think about D-line
What are your thoughts on Raji and T. Jackson on the D-line
by maritimebronco on Mar 18, 2009 10:01 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It's too ealry to tell in my book.
We have some new, big guys to compete along the line. Competition is always good, and we should see some rewards there. I also think that we have done such a good job with our core offense and the back eight of the defense that we can focus there if we want to during the draft. Even the Cutler controversy gives us some trade options (both with him and our draft picks, which have been freed up tremendously).
Moving Dumervil to OLB looks like a signal that we are going to play more two gap and power on the front three (Fairbanks Bullough system over the Phillips [Wade] system).
I want to be more sure before I speculate, so let’s see how a few more things unfold so that I don’t misfire for the sake of an article that’s too hasty or not thought out. I’ll put up thoughts on the D-line when I’m more sure of where I think we are.
Others with a clearer picture may beat me to the punch at MHR, and if so, I’m all for it! For me, I’m just not sure enough of the situation to post on it yet. McDaniels out-thought me by making some brilliant FA moves that I wouldn’t have guessed at over the last three weeks, and I don’t want to try to out-think the guy. Let’s see what’s up his sleeve before speculating.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillips v. Fairbanks...
I have been wondering this myself. Nolan has been more of a Fairbanks disciple but Nunnely comes from a Philips system (SD). What I have noticed is that we cut all our traditional DEs but have kept all the DTs except Robertson. To me, it looks like we may be looking at a Baltimore type hybrid with Moss/Doom playing the role of Suggs.
Your thoughts?
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 18, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm leaning towards the Fairbanks right now.
I want to see a little more before making a firm assertion. But it seems to me we are moving the lighter players out (on the DL) to OLB or off the team. Existing DTs may kick out to DE. Anyone over about 315 lbs at NT is likely to be a further clue towards a Fairbanks. Davis at ILB is another clue.
Still, there’s a lot more to see before making a final call.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of Nolan's former players
At both Baltimore and SF said that nolan will adapt to the players that he has but prefers a faster form of penetrating one gap D for the linmen if that helps. We certainly have some options that fit
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 18, 2009 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point for why I say I can't be sure.
Nolan has a 1 gap line background, while McDaniels is more 2 gap. While we seem to be shifting one gap DEs to OLB, we also have a new DC with a history of a Phillips approach. It will be fun to see how it all shakes out.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 19, 2009 1:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks HT
It seems like McDaniels is getting a large amount of criticism on this and other websites for the handling of the Cutler scenario, and not enough credit for the job he has done in reshaping our defense.
I’m very much looking forward to the draft and training camps to see how this ‘team’ comes together. Go Bronocos! Go HT!
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by solace on Mar 18, 2009 10:13 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking that...
…all he did was listien to some other teams, then say no. Cutler’s agent pounced on this to try and manipulate for a fat contract, which seems underhanded. He also went on to poison Jay’s mind against the coach. There’s still time for Cutler to come around, and time for the team mates (who have bought into McDaniels) to talk to him if he’ll listen. It seems to me that McDaniels has done nothing wrong, that Cutler is just getting terrible advice (and is too young to understand how Cook is “using” him), and Cook is being his typical “ruin his players’ opportunities in the hopes of padding his own wallet” self.
Cook should realize that the Patriots (love ‘em or hate ’em) don’t roll like that, and McDaniels comes from that school of thought. Nasty agents don’t get their way in NE, and they won’t be in Denver from here on out.
Bowlen sees that, and I think that’s why he’s letting McDaniels plug ahead. I understand Guru’s take on this (wanting Bowlen to step in), but the media seems to tilting towards McDaniels now, and more fans seem to be seeing through Cook’s little ploy. Bowlen is stepping in, in a round-about way. McDaniel’s is his man, and is making the right moves. Bowlen is being hands on by sending a signal: he’s signaling that there’s a new sheriff in town that has his backing. His silence on the matter speaks more loudly than words or actions. The coach is doing exactly the right thing.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I’m glad that you mentioned about how Bowlen is reacting to this fiasco created by Cook. I completely agree how Bowlen has been handling this situation. He speaks very little but what he said, that he has McD’s back and very disappointed in Cutler’s attitude, clearly shows where he stands. Since McD came to town, Cutler forgets that he is no longer the face of the franchise since Shanny left. There’s only one face and it’s the Denver Broncos. Get used to it Cutler or get out, you are just a cog in the amoeba system.
by tedwin on Mar 18, 2009 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100 for the McDaniels comment
McX as a team is showing some skill. And one other thing: whatever happens in the end, they are sure to come out of the Cutler saga wiser for the experience. I’m feeling confident in those guys and refreshed by how little grousing we’ve seen from them. They’re going about their business and making us a better team, focused on players as equals and the team as the essential.
Interesting to reflect that his maybe wasn’t important to us before, back when a strong personality like Elway was around to provide lift to a good but not excellent group of players. That sort of has been one of our great traditions — the QB who pushes the team to excel. It seems that what we have before us now is not just a new playbook on both sides of the ball, but a new philosophy and the beginnings of a new tradition where every position is important. It’s different, and will take some adjusting to, but the potential is enormous, IMHO.
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50
by broncosmontana on Mar 18, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll even add
that McD’s “every position is important” view seems right in alignment with how guys like Rod and Al always approached the game. So, in a very tangible way, we’re honoring them by building on that and committing to it as an overarching team philosophy.
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"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50
by broncosmontana on Mar 18, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your two comments hit the nail squarely on the head.
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by firstfan on Mar 18, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your two signatures FirstFan!
I’m honored! (I used to have one, but I see you added the second one. Wow!)
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on your comments as well.
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by weazel on Mar 18, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm SO HAPPY to see the words "stable" and "defense" in the same headline!
But it’s quite gratifying to see the soundness of these decisions by our new coaching team. I love Brian Dawkins and the Denver Dolphins (sounds like some weird blues band). I did question the Andra Davis pick up, but now can appreciate what he brings as an inside role player against the run. Seeing him inside with DJ, with Woodyard and Doom at the edges, makes me happy. Can’t wait to see what Doom looks like rushing the passer from a 3-4 LB position with a running start — nasty indeed!
Two letters can make or break this group: NT. If we land a great one, this season could be fun after all! Thanks for pulling us out of the muck, HT. This article was sorely needed.
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"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50
by broncosmontana on Mar 18, 2009 10:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey HT any thoughts on Moss moving to OLB?
He seems too small for DE and a lot of people have speculated he will get moved to OLB too. Thoughts?
by purplesocks on Mar 18, 2009 10:52 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough call.
In the type of big front three that I’m expecting with this coming 3-4, Moss is too small at DE. OLB might be a good fit for him.
I’m personaly opposed to the hybrid DE / OLB school of thought, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a valid approach. My personal bias would say no, but those who run this type of 3-4 might say Moss is an excellent fit. We’ll have to see waht Nolan thinks. If he’s good with it, I’d go with his thinking over mine. Nolan and McDaniels are both advocates of DEs as OLBs, and know more about that approach than I do.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HT once again you are brilliant!
I was very excited to see some of these players signed and some I threw the caution flag out. Now I have cautiously picked up the flag and am ready to root these guys on. I think there is something to be said for Mike Nolan. I think Josh views him a little bit like an associate head coach like in remember the titans. I can see him and mike saying to each other “you worry about the defense I will worry about the offense” and vice versa. I think more than anything Mike Nolan will be the key to our success on defense this year. It take a great head coach to yield part of his team to someone else with a little more knowledge, and I think McDaniels has done that. I am a bone crusher myself valuing the time I got to play DB in high school over WR. Great Write up, looking forward to your assessment of the Defensive Lineman.
Cheers
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 18, 2009 10:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks HT and that is a nice read.
With all the drama lately I have almost forgot about the players we have signed. Thanks for getting our minds on the other side of the ball. I was very pleased with the players we picked up on defense so far in free agency. While I don’t expect our defense to be top-notch right away with our transition to a 3-4, however I am hoping to see some kind of improvement in ’09.
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by weazel on Mar 18, 2009 11:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Greatness continues
I don’t have anything to add – great read, and I love the comments, which are a post in and of themselves. Rec’d and Buzzed
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by Emmett Smith on Mar 18, 2009 11:19 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Buzzed?
Still kind of new here, what does it mean when you say Buzzed? What does that function do?
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by kybroncomaniac on Mar 18, 2009 11:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
you buzz up the story oh yahoo
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 18, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have a yahoo account
or digg account you can click the icons that follow the story, and it acts like a rec, only it does it for that particular site. So “buzzing” means rec’ing a post on yahoo.
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 18, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood.
Thanks guys.
Strength and honor
by kybroncomaniac on Mar 18, 2009 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It gives the story a national audience
If stories by styg and HT don’t earn that, I have no idea what does
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 18, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really now.
I know a bear who deserves some national exposure. Stop being so modest.
: )
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great to have you back!
This scenery is most welcome!
DOOM mentioned that he was going to enjoy playing in a “nasty” defense, after the team meetings monday. Not exactly the Rosetta Stone, but I think it goes to the idea of two-gap on the line, freeing the backers up to be unleashed. Definitley looking forward to some stoutness on the line. I always sort of felt that Denver would never really move away from lighter trenches because of homefield advantage, but do you think that Denver will now be okay with getting guys who can keep their conditioning level up to par to anchor our Dline? I know Thomas struggled like mad his first year, but he was a special circumstance because of his missed playing time leading up to his rookie season (a suspension). Do you think McDaniel’s has thought about this angle, or that maybe it isn’t relevant in this age of oxygen masks and bio-pods, and cellular regeneration from nanites?
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 18, 2009 11:57 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe not the nanites.
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 18, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thinking on altitude and the size of linemen.
Altitude causes metabolic changes in biochemistry (something that Dr. BroncoBear can elaborate on). Some of those changes take place over about three days (causing altitude sickness in some), and some over the course of two to three months.
These changes affect opposing teams adversely, but don’t improve our own guys. Whether light or heavy, a player whose biochemistry (I believe its primarily nitrogen levels, and the abilty to utilize oxygen) has adapted plays at a normal level. Visitors (because they haven’t had time to adapt) wear down quickly, especialy big guys.
In other words, our guys (big or small) will play like big or small guys at a regular altitude, while visitors will all play with less ability to get their breaths. I think we can take advantage whichever somatotype we use.
There is also some advantage to players going down to lower elevations, but not as much.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
so how would our
“altitude adjusted” heavies do at at lower altitudes? Are we talking Edgar Rice Burroughs here, with the ability to leap 6 feet in the air? Will they need to wear SCUBA weights?
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 18, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
For cyclists and marathon runners it's a clear advantage
The difference when you travel to a lower elevation is MUCH less than when traveling to higher ele’s. The biggest difference I have noticed with elevation changes is alcohol tolerance (can’t get drunk at the beach to save my live and easterners are always cheap dates ;)
by Royal With Cheese on Mar 18, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Royal.
Guys moving up to higher elevations suffer, but guys who have adapted to those high altitudes over a few months play like they were at a “normal” altitude. To a lesser extent (but still noticable), guys going down in altitude have a more effecient oxygen / carbon dioxide exchange than guys who live at lower altitudes. Not Edgar Rice Burroughs stuff, but mostly endurance and the ability to breath easier under physical stress.
Worth noting is that the US Olympic Training Center is in Colorado Springs for this very reason. If going to a low altitude, our athletes get an advantage. If going somewhere up high (like Mexico City once upon a time), we lose no athleticism.
Don’t know about Royal’s alcohol experiences. : )
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I went to Basic Training....
I went from the Rockies (7,200’) to Ft. Sill, Oklahoma. I could not believe the amount of oxygen my body had. Running much less difficult. Until….I went to Ft. Carson, Colorado Springs. Time dropped off my run and difficulty raised drastically.
Once I got back to the Rockies, it took about two weeks for me to be able to move normally. Even jumping up to answer the telephone brought on dizzy spells for the first few weeks. 2 Budweisers were sufficient.
Now I’m in Kentucky, and 4 Budweisers are required to reach what one would do to me at 7,000’.
Also don’t know about Royals experiences either:)
Strength and honor
by kybroncomaniac on Mar 18, 2009 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to basic from home in Colorado to...
…Ft. Dix New Jersey. I was still miserable though.
lol!
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went from Lander, Wyo.
to San Antonio, TX in July/August/Sept.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Mar 18, 2009 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lived in Lander until last August
beautiful little town, and the Wind Rivers are awesome (and that’s from a Colo native)
by Royal With Cheese on Mar 19, 2009 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to benning
and had a similar experience. I have to say though going from Colorado to Iraq altitude didnt matter it was DAMN HOT!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 18, 2009 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Purely anecdotal evidence, but...
I don’t know that oxygen masks necessarily help. I was recently reading a book titled “When March Went Mad” about NCSU winning the ’83 national championship in basketball and there was an interesting quote from one of the players on the team. It mentioned how the other teams, especially Houston, used oxygen to combat the altitude in Albuquerque (where the Final Four was located that year), but that Valvano essentially forbid his team from touching the stuff because it made you dependent on it. His thinking was that you caught your breath using the oxygen mask but that it also meant you lost it more quickly once you were back in the game. This may not be medically true, but I can see that it could psychologically affect the players on the opposing player. Much the same reason why almost all sports teams that play at high altitude make a big deal about the low oxygen = fatigue factor.
by hai17 on Mar 19, 2009 1:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the analysis ... but
I don’t quite buy into these signings as much as you do HT.
Dawkins — one of my favorite players for years, but I believe the Eagles were starting to take him out on passing downs last year because he was slowing down. He’s 35 and exactly the age when Lynch couldn’t keep up in the secondary anymore. Regarless, he’ll still be a solid leader/coach on the field.
Andra Davis — he is really a slow linebacker and I’ve seen comments calling him the slowest in the league. He’s definitely an inside linebacker who’ll make a lot of tackles, but I think he’ll bring a lot of liabilities onto the field as well.
I think you hit the nail on the head with you 30+ years old comment about none of these players being long term solutions. It kind of bother me that the Broncos didn’t target guys that were a little younger. With the exception of Fields on the DL seems like all of the acquisitions were stop gaps.
styg50 — interesting thoughts about the altitude on bigger D linemen and I wonder if these kind of thoughts have passed through McD’s brain.
by MTBroncoFan on Mar 18, 2009 12:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Those are fair and valid thoughts.
Agree that Dawkins isn’t going to be superman in deep coverage, but he’ll be in a two deep safety program here (as opposed to the one deep safety program that Philly uses at times). Like Lynch, his experience is worth a few extra steps of speed.
Davis is slow, granted. But in a 3-4, and focused on runners (DJ would get the majority of pass zones in my projection), I think he has solid value.
It’s a reasonable debate to have, and folks will differ.
I’ve put in my answer for altitude to Styg, and I’m certain that McDaniels is going to consider altitude in his decisions. Remember, he’s not only a pro level coach, he has trainers and fitness staff to advise him.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rich Tuten
Even if McD isn’t well versed in altitude vs performance limiters Rich would be able to rattle off the pros & cons and most effective altitude training techniques in his sleep.
Most endurance athletes prefer to live high & train abit lower (but still high) as the body naturally adjusts over time to processing less oxygen at the high levels then when training at lower levels the training is more effective. (See all the endurance athletes that live or choose to base themselves in Colorados higher areas i.e Tyler Hamilton etc)
I don’t know how this affects all the fast twitch athletes that the NFL requires (apart from in the 4th quarter)
Boydy is a high performance coach I believe he would be able to best articulate the altitude effects.
by Scotto on Mar 18, 2009 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Forgot to Give Props for the Article HT
Im so excited to see what the draft brings!
by Scotto on Mar 18, 2009 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anybody considered
Crowder at ROLB?
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by firstfan on Mar 18, 2009 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think Crowder has the ability to stay as a DE
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 18, 2009 9:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Jon here.
I don’t see Crowder at OLB, but I could be wrong too. The OLB possibilities seem pretty full right now. For example, off the top of my head I would think Williams, Larson, Woodyard, and even Doom would have a better shot at ROLB.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 19, 2009 1:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you look at the roster we have
6 Linebackers plus two Defensive lineman who are scheduled to play OLB some thats 8 on the list already plus i am guessing we sing two -four via draft and CFA thats a lot of Linebackers on the roster and of the twelve who makes the 45 game day roster its hard to see Crowder running up the OLB guys!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 19, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
let me jump in, MTBroncosFan
I’ve looked at this as a formal problem.
What may not have occurred to people is the factor of replacing players you bring in. Younger players would be expected to fill a position for longer, but we would locking in (to some degree) more resources on players who may or may not be the longterm answer at their position, and creating a dilemma for ourselves when they need to be replaced.
You really have to know that a player is the long term answer if they’re younger (although projected backups aren’t a problem), and the logic for obtaining younger players specifically cites this rationale.
I don’t mind the older players (as long as they can play), because that leaves us an orderly way of replacing them in time. It also, as I’ve argued recently, lets us gradually move the lower draft picks into the lineup gradually. Many of our middle round draft picks, this year and next, will be ready to assume starting roles around the time some of these cheaper, older vets are ready to retire. We’re engaging in multi-year planning. We haven’t seen a whole lot of that lately, so it’s no wonder it doesn’t occur to people.
by Colinski on Mar 18, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Planning for the future hasn’t been the norm here for a while and will catch most of us by surprise!
by Royal With Cheese on Mar 18, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's great to talk football again, but I have several questions...
You said that the DL review was coming, so I will stay away from that. However, with the signing of Fields and Parker it seems like that we either don’t think we can get Ron Brace in the 2nd round, or we want to go another direction. Also, it seems like we have some strong RDT/LDT candidates (Peterson, Reid, Thomas, Clemons, Crowder, Askew). That makes me think that we target LBs in the first two rounds. I am not an expert by any means, so I am wondering what people think here:
1. How many ILBs and OLBs will we keep on the final roster?
2. Reid is listed as a DL/LB. Do you think they plan to employ him in the LB role? How? Could they view him as an Adalius Thomas (i.e. BIG) type? Supposedly, he runs well on special teams…
3. As you mentioned, these players are a bridge to the stars McD hopes to draft. At #12, again I am no expert so I am divining what I can tell from reading online, Malaluaga seems like the best selection. Why not Davis and Malaluaga (try to type that name three times in a row) at ILB with Haggans and Larsen for depth, and DJ for emergency depth? If Malaluaga takes time to develop then we are covered, if not then we are covered. Also, Davis can help him learn the system. I also want Malaluaga because some scouts have called him a clone of Junior Seau and I am tired of our defense being pushed around. I want someone who can dish out some bloody noses. It’s time to put the crush back in the Orange Crush.
4. Why wouldn’t DJ (6-1 240) play ROLB in a 3-4? He seems every bit as talented as James Harrison (ROLB, 6-2 240). I am also not sure that he wants to play inside. Of course, I guess he will do what they tell him, but he seems to like space better than not. On the other side, Elvis (5-11 260) seems pretty similar to Lamarr Woodley (LOLB, 6-2, 265). For depth/candidates at OLB we have Moss, Reid, Bailey, Woodyard, and Green.
5. Aren’t Woodyard and Bailey too small for the OLB position in a 3-4? What in the world are they going to do with these two?
6. Random Question #1: Could Woodyard be moved to safety?
7. Random Question #2: Are there any Ed Reed’s in this year’s draft? Be nice to groom one under Hill and Dawkins, which makes me wonder who we would target and in what round. My understanding is that this draft is pretty deep for safeties.
Personally, I would be very excited about a LB corps that sports Elvis, Malaluaga, Davis, and DJ. My thoughts here again make me think that we draft an ILB and OLB in rounds 1 and 2. I am hoping for 1-ILB Malaluaga, 2-OLB Barwin (or comparable prospect, like English, Stintim if they are still there), 3-NT Sammy Lee Williams (or best available prospect). The DJ fan in me also makes me want to draft his brother in the late rounds.
Thanks, and I really enjoy reading the thoughtful posts on this website.
by GOBRONX06! on Mar 18, 2009 12:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent questions!
1. It depends on the approach management and coaching takes. There is no “one size fits all” answer to your question. It depends on comfort with the starters, injury potential, holes at other positions, finances, etc. I wouldn’t hazzard a guess.
2. In the hybrid DE/OLB school of thought (which I don’t subscribe to), players are less “specialists” and more pure “athletes”. That he is listed both ways means that a hybrid minded coach can use the player either way. I imagine the coaching staff will make a final determination when they have all he pieces in place (by camp).
3. My only problem with your scenario is DJ at emergency depth. He remains a young player who is good at what he does (2nd in tackles as MLB 2 years ago, not so good with a crappy DL last year). I think DJ will be around for awhile. My guess is that Denver goes best availble in the draft.
4. DJ’s speed has him pegged at ROLB or RILB in my book. Having proven his worth at both MLB and ROLB in the past, he can do either. With existing DEs potentialy set to switch to OLB, and with Larsen and Woodyard as strong candidates on the outside (not so much inside), I like DJ inside. However, in a 3-4 he will have the same opportunities as he would have as ROLB in a 4-3 – blitzing and zoning. Davis would be the primary run stopper in the middle, with support from DJ. You make a valid point though, and DJ could just as easily end up outside.
5. I don’t believe that Woodyard or Bailey are too small for OLB. It all comes down to system. I think Woodyard is a keeper. WIth Boss, it depends on his injury situation (in my opinion). Styg had him pegged as an ijury issue coming to Denver, and he was proven right when Boss ended up on IR.
6. A lot of folks have talked about Woodyard at safety. I don’t buy into it. Let’s have a pass coverage safety deep who can cover runs, and leave the speedy linebackers to play as speedy linebackers (stopping runs first and zoning as a secondary trait). I honestly don’t see Woodyard helping to cover a WR.
7. I think there are some Reeds in the draft, and that is is deep for safety. One possibility is that we now have FA safeties, and while other teams scramble for safeties, we can sit back and get any position we want (best available).
Remember, these are my opinions. There are plenty of sharp folks at MHR that would disagree on any of these thoughts.
Again, Excellent questions!
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for answering my questions HT
It is going to be interesting to see where DJ lands. He is one of my favorite players. He hated playing SSLB and, though he never said it, I am not sure that he liked MLB either. I guess my post was a bit misleading. I didn’t see him sitting the bench in any scenario, by “emergency depth” I just meant that if they lost so many players at ILB, they could move him over if they had to. No one seems to be too high on his brother, but Worrell does sound like a possible ILB project for us in rounds 6 or 7. The Steelers kept 11 LBs on the roster last year (4 ILB, 7 OLB): 2 LILB, 2 RILB, 4 LOLB, and 3 ROLB. Maybe that gets us in the ball park. The Steelers did carry 5 sub-240 lb linebackers, so maybe Bailey and Woodyard have a future in Denver’s 3-4. I look forward to reading the DL review, and am especially curious about where they plan to get an NT from. Thanks again.
by GOBRONX06! on Mar 18, 2009 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the insight HT
I too am happy with the defensive signings and I await your analysis on the line. I disagree somewhat about the best player available scenario. I still thinnk we need to draft primarily for the defense, but I would not be upset if we took a few offensive prospects.
Question: Sorry if you have already posted on this topic, but could you give us your thoughts on the free agents we have signed on offense? Most people already know that I (along with broncobear and others) am a huge supporter of Peyton Hillis. I am curious if you think the RBs we signed in free agency are just for depth or if McD will truly open up competion at the position.
Thanks and rec’d!
Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.
by 53guys on Mar 18, 2009 1:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
53guys
I haven’t posted yet on the offense. Briefly, my thoughts are this:
I share your admiration for Hillis. He survived the purge at RB, so he is still in the running to be our starter this year. On the other hand, a good coach is going to have a healthy competition for starters, and Hillis shouldn’t worry about this. Hillis may start, be in rotation, or even be a valuable FB. In the end, the coach will want our best guy on the field.
My admiration for Hillis is based on a very small sample of games he played last year (before getting injured), as well as a terrific college career. I won’t let myself get bummed out if he doesn’t make the cut. If he does make it, he will likely continue to be a powerful force in the run game.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks HT
Personally, I believe Hillis’ talents would be wasted at any other position than RB, although I do have to give you the fact that he did only play 6 or so games before getting hurt.
Thanks to Mike Shanahan, a great coach who will be dearly missed.
Hillis for starter next year. He wears special thigh pads so his solid brass balls don't give him repeated thigh contusions.
by 53guys on Mar 18, 2009 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
boss bailey
he is still with the team, right? how would he look outside(for a few games), and draft pick/larsen inside. another hammer for the middle of the field. i like dj outside, as well. so- bailey/replacement-davis-pick/larsen-dj, going across. i like the size and tackling ability of that group on running downs. i would prefer a draft pick starting inside, that could shut down the interior of the field with the hard-hitting secondary in support, and speed on the edges. i just wonder if dj could take the pounding inside, or he is best used as the leading tackler. we playing the big boys this season. i’d rather keep dj in space, covering or blitzing, utilizing his speed. why can’t we blitz this guy, anyway? something tells me doom and ww force the coaches to keep them somewhere, perhaps olb’s on passing downs/backups/rushers. we may draft an olb, too. we will have to find effective blitzers, and actually blitz them. now, we just have to find a nt, somewhere. and a de, too. but we’re inching closer to a good defense, i love defense, and in light of recent events, we may have to win with defense. with nolan in charge(and not slo), some draft picks, and a little bit of luck, that is starting to become a possibility
taste my blintzkrieg!
2009-year of the defense.
by davecheffy on Mar 18, 2009 3:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Boss has been losing me rapidly.
He needs a healthy season under his belt, quick. I’m up for giving him a chance this year, but we’ll have to see.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boss Bailey...
the curious thing about Boss is that the FO could have easily dumped him when they cleared house back in February. His contract was such that we wouldn’t have taken much of a cap hit, certainly less than we did with Bly.
That leads me to believe that Nolan/McDaniels must see something there that they like, or at least are willing to take a chance on.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 18, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's also possible (though unlikey)...
…that the fact that Champ is on the team has something to do with it. I would want to keep Champ happy at contract time. He remains our best player on defense.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't seem to be the M.O. of McD, though
to keep a player around to keep his brother happy, judging by what we’ve seen thus far.
But I agree with you that we need Boss to do a little more than hang with Greek this year.
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50
by broncosmontana on Mar 19, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been waiting for this article ever since you got back.
Thanks for taking the time, I’ve been anxious to hear your take on the Defense. I am really excited for how we are looking on D for next year. I think the Management has done a great job of bringing in the perfect talent/to cost for our team. Most importantly from what people have written and said about all of our D pick ups, they are all quality individuals.
I do have one important question. Do you only refer to Weapon X when he is on the field, (kind of like pacman) or can you call him Weapon X off the field too?
Thanks again for your hard work HT.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Mar 18, 2009 5:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I would just call him Mr. Dawkins, and use "sir" a lot.
Seriously, Dawkins is a human weapon on and off the field. His martial arts training is intensive, and he would be good at whatever he pursues. I wouldn’t doubt it if he dons a cape and mask and fights crime when nobody is looking.
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 18, 2009 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He won't be able to use the Wolverine claws during a game.
However, I suspect that in the event of a supervillian attack on an NFL venue during a Broncos game, the commissioner would make an exception to the policy.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 19, 2009 1:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you HT
This is exactly what I have been yearning for during these times. Great article and I can’t wait for you to focus in on the other FA signings we have made so far.
Please continue to help me get through to draft day w/out having to read about all this trumped up BS that has been forced upon us.
by c_style on Mar 19, 2009 12:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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