Opinion - "Cutler Could be Gone by Weekend"
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 19, 2009 10:04 AM MDT
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PrintI recenty published this article to Bleacher Report, and here it is in full.
Take a good look Broncos fans. All of those hundreds and thousands of dollars spent on No. 6 Jay Cutler jerseys are about to all go to waste. ESPN.com's rumor central is reporting that this weekend could be Cutler's "last with the team" and that "four teams have contacted the Broncos" in regards to the Pro Bowl quarterback.
While only four teams have contacted the team about Cutler's availability, the number is expected to increase at the annual owners' meetings next week.
In regards to the compensation Denver would receive, an unnamed NFL executive told the Denver Post that "They should be able to pick a quarterback off a roster and get two No. 1's - one this year and one next year."
For all of you who thought that two first round picks was too much for Cutler, you were wrong.
Way wrong.
In fact, if this report is correct, the Broncos will not only receive two first-round picks, they will also receive a quarterback in return for Cutler's services.
Right now, the most likely destination appears to be Cleveland, as they have two quarterbacks that they could offer in Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson. If the unnamed executive's prediction of compensation is true, the Broncos will likely be able to get Quinn/Anderson, B.J. Raji, and either Rey Maualuga or a number of other prospects.
As much as people think this will set the Broncos back, it truly will not. Denver's offensive line is arguably the best in the NFL, and whatever quarterback lines up under center will stay fairly clean.
Denver's offensive line only allowed Cutler to be sacked 11 times last year.
Also, Denver has one of the best offensive nucleus' of talent in the NFL. Wide receivers Brandon Marshall, Brandon Stokley, Eddie Royal, Tony Scheffler, Daniel Graham, Jabar Gaffney, and Chad Jackson all are very capable targets for whatever quarterback will throw to them.
Rest easy Broncos fans, the compensation for our star quarterback will be relatively fair, and as much as I hate to see the Jay Cutler era end like this, it is for the best of the team. Cutler has become a distraction, and it is time to move on.
This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR
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Alternatively,
“Cutler Could be Still Here by the Season”
“Cuter Could be a Space Alien With Two Sphincters”
“Cutler Could be a Russian Spy”
“Cutler Could be…etc., etc, etc,”
It’s amazing what the word “could” can do.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Mar 19, 2009 10:18 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
i heard that too...
but i’ll wait until Schefter reports the “Two Sphincters” thing before i believe it.
We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur.—Al Gore
Apology
Oxmouth, I recently got on this website and saw the comments someone had made under my account. My 16 year old brother decided it would be funny to be an a**hole to other members. I apologize for the absurd comments that have no business being on this website. I assure you that this will not happen again, as I have threatened my little bro. in every way possible.
Class of 2009! Two months to go and I'm outta here!
thanks
I appreciate the fact that you admitted the problem.
Many of the recent posters have exhibited suspect motives, so all topics & posts which appear here that display certain suspicious traits are scrutinized for ‘flame’ tendencies. It’s not that easy ‘put one over’ on us, although I will often play along with the ruse to see if the person will ‘reveal themselves’ for what they are.
Curiously, much of the Cutler-gate issue has been riddled with suspect reporting which, although written by supposedly professional journalists, has the appearance of a malicious Internet rumor campaign. A heavy dose of skepticism is an advisable safeguard for dealing with all unverified information of any kind — especially when it comes from journalists. Much of the recent controversy has been contrived. I’ve yet to fully cover that issue, although I expect to do so at some point, in response to the ill-motivated posters, as well as in reponse to PR efforts that appear to originate with Bus Cook.
Speaking of which
There was an article I refused to read on ESPN the title of which read something like “Agent reveals where all went wrong between Cutler and the Broncos”. This was/is on the front page.
Like I suspected, the story had fallen off the front page, so Cook decided to call a reporter and ‘explain’ Cutlers side so that it can’t or won’t be forgotten. Though, I honestly don’t know if Cook reached out of if he was the contactee.
I hate this.
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks. - Calvin
Is this it?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3995461
Bill Williamson’s “Agent explains Cutler’s timeline.”
What’s interesting is that Cutler’s rationale is now a “broken promise,” that is — a broken promise to not to get rid of coaches such as Bates.
This would confirm what I’ve been saying — that Cutler has been contemplating leaving for a long while. The report that he demanded a trade after Bates wasn’t retained, is now looking much stronger, since we basically seeing him continuing with the same posture he adopted at that time.
And the betrayal stagecraft, such as “broken promise,” “lied to,” etc., is merely milking the dramatic possibilities inherent in language and the situation.
I would have liked to see them keep Bates, too, but he didn’t know the new offense. We would have had to teach him at the same time he was supposed to be teaching Jay — it wasn’t a workable outcome.
It’s quite understandable that Jay didn’t like this, but attempts to morph it out of the original betrayal story are deceptive. Cutler, and his agent (or course), haven’t been selling that story but something else — a ‘I was offended by trade talks’ story. There was no inability to tell the ‘real’ story if thats true, so all this posturing has been a charade on his part. I can’t fault only the Bus here, Jay’s seems to have been playing us, too.
Bowlen, however, says he doesn’t remember having the conversation with Cutler that Cook references.
So, do we think Bowlen is lying, or that his memory is poor? Or is something amiss here?
a little more
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I really have had no discussion with Jay or the agent. Mike was fired right after the season. At that point, there was no need to have a discussion with Jay. Now, actually, to be fair, I don’t think I had that discussion. I don’t recall it. I know I’m getting up there in age, and I am not sure of that discussion,” Bowlen told NFL.com.
From Bowlen at the press conference after he fired Shanahan
“I talked to (QB) Jay Cutler, and Jay understood the conversation. I talked to him this morning. I didn’t get any negative feedback. I think he understands enough about the business of football, the game of football, that there are going to be coaching changes and changes in organizations. I didn’t sense that Jay had any negative feelings about it, and I’m sure he is very interested in who is going to be the next head coach. Obviously, he is the man around here now, so I will be talking with Jay.”
This will probably come off as flippant, but I am actually starting to worry a bit about Bowlen. Between his speech at Zimmerman’s HOF induction, the sudden decision to fire Shanahan, his reversal of position on Jim Goodman (at the same press conference he said “Jim Goodman has his job, and he will have his job.”) and his comments/conduct in this Cutler fiasco and I am beginning to wonder if everything is all right. Hopefully, it is nothing more than a mid life crisis of sorts and him deciding to shake up the team more than he initially planned
on a less flippant note
Good find. Bowlen’s contemporaneous comment after the conversation referenced in the last ESPN article citing the Bus don’t offer any support for the “promised Jay no changes” story the Bus is selling us.
Is the Bus getting confused? Mixing his made-for-the-media narrative with real world events?
And, of course, doesn’t this shifting storyline completely contradict the earlier “I was offended by trade talks” story? If you wanted out all along then why would you be offended if they were trying to grant your request?
Like in any conversation, each person remembers what they thought was important
I am kinda guessing that Bowlen does not remember the details because to him it was just one more “insignificant” conversation during a crazy period of time. By insignificant, I mean that Bowlen was not saying anything that he considered to be newsworthy or important. He was just shooting from the hip and telling Jay what his thoughts were at the time. On the other hand, this same conversation was a huge deal to Jay. He was clearly traumatized by Shanahan’s firing and so he saw Bowlen’s reassurances as very important (and possibly the entire reason he wanted to talk to Pat).
Personally, I don’t think Cutler ever really wanted out of town prior to the Cassell talk going public. He was just an insecure, young man dealing with changes going on all around him. I think Cutler was upset that Shanahan was fired, then got reassured by Bowlen that the team was not making a drastic shift offensively, then got upset again when Bates was let go and was reassured by McDaniels.that McDaniels wanted him and wanted to coach him and build an offense around him.
on lying
There is a lot of truth to what you say. We all remember our version of events, to some degree.
It’s when something contradicts that in a massive way that objectivity comes into play. Bowlen would in fact remember making a promise that was later broken, because the salience of that event has reached astronomical levels.
Bowlen could forget something that he regarded as insignificant, but he could not forget making an actual promise, if that indeed was what it was.
There was an intention to keep Bates, the Goodmans, etc., but it was decided to go another way.
An actual promise would be remembered by both parties (and certainly Bowlen, a lawyer). Cutler can say that he had an ‘understanding’ of sorts, but the claim of a broken promise is not believable. Bowlen would remember this.
Claiming that one party to an agreement has a faulty memory (and not yours, of course) is very poor argument.
The ‘broken promise’ is standard plot device in the PR arsenal of the Bus.
I agree that no promise was made
And sadly you have pointed out why an agent does want/need to be involved in all communications between his client and their team. It is not shocking that there could be a miscommunication between a 65 year old lawyer and a 25 year old not used to talking to lawyers. I can easily see Bowlen choosing to use word X instead of word Y because there was a large distinction in his mind while Cutler thought of X and Y as interchangeable.
Hey MattR
Nice find in Bowlen’s presser. Didn’t take your comments as flippant at all.
On a side note, it’s good to read you again. Been awhile.
or maybe not.
It's been a perfect storm
The past month or so keeping me busy. Lot’s of stuff going on at work. Took a vacation. Been sick. And the whole Cutler thing has just ruined my offseason (I say as I sit here posting in a Cutler thread)
I do have to give a tip of my hat to Pro Football Talk which is where I first saw that Bowlen quote. As I posted over there, if you look at that last sentence you can see why Cutler might have thought he had a special relationship with Bowlen, more than a typical employer-employee situation.
Yes
I would’ve assumed that too given his relationship with Elway. Honestly, in view of the whole Reeves/Elway conflict, I’m surprised Bowlen hasn’t taken a more proactive approach to this… unless there’s more than meets the eye here.
Not to go too far off, but I’ve wondered… When Charlie Weiss took over at ND, he was extremely tough on Brady Quinn. He, Quinn and others commented at different times that off-season on how much Weiss would yell at him. Reading Gaffney’s comments the other day about Josh being in the Belichik mode and recalling seeing even Tom Brady getting yelled at in practices and how that told the team that no one was above criticism, etc. reminded me of Weiss’ coaching style. I wonder if McD, Bowlen et al think Cutler can take that kind of treatment. He’s always been coddled, from HS, through Vandy and even here in Denver. Shanny was very honest that he preferred to provide his guys with security, while at the same time sticking to playing the best player. I remember him saying not every player can handle that kind of situation. Now it looks like the opposite, McD follows that “no one is safe” mentality. It wouldn’t shock me at all if he doesn’t think Cutler can handle that kinda heat from his coach and is why no one is offering all kinds of reassuring words. In fact, some of those “unnamed sources” even stated that Cutler responded to loyalty with loyalty. He’s one of those guys that responds well to being told “you’re the man” and no worries. It’s not all good or bad, just different. But it looks like it may cost the team their star QB.
or maybe not.
put it this way -- it's not about memory
Either no promise was made or someone is lying.
It’s not that memories can’t vary, memory is ‘synthetic’ — we interpret our memory to reconcile it with current events, current beliefs, etc. But nobody forgot whether a promise was made, in this instance. Somebody is lying or misrepresenting the truth.
I find the latest reconstruction of events to show first a broken promise then lying to conceal an embarrassing detail — the trade talk — is a little too post hoc for my tastes. Maybe it works on As the World Churns but it’s lost it’s real world credibility. For all his many contacts with the media, how is it that the Bus forgot to mention this highly significant fact?
I’ll expand on this later.
I just went back and read that ESPN article
“broken promise” is a phrase the reporter uses (Michael Smith I think). It was not uttered by any of the prinicpals involved and is not mentioned in the nfl.com article by Thomas George who was the one who actually spoke to Cook and Bowlen.
doesn't matter
actually. I’m using tropes to refer to psychological plot elements. We’re supposed to understand it as a “broken promise” because that’s something everyone can understand.
Bus wouldn’t pitch “he failed to involve me in the planning or our offense” because that would sound dry and technical. Broken promises we understand in emotional logic. Failure to keep a promise is both implicit and explicit in the scene the Bus is creating.
The implicit level is the “framing” that goes on in our brains that categorizes events as ‘betrayal,’ etc. These schema are also easily accessed, so they’re easy to tap into.
The explicit level is more on the surface. “Making assurances” is just a synonym for a promise. This could stand up in a court proceeding. Failure to abide by those assurances could be a harm — a tort.
There’s a time to parse words, and I go much, much farther than most. And there’s a time when you have to back way up in order to see the forest.
The owner assured him everything would be fine. The owner said he had the second-best offense in football and would leave the offensive staff intact. Jay was good with that. Then he hires an offensive coach who gets rid of the staff," Cook told
NFL.com.
the reason i brought up "broken promises" versus "assured"
Was your point that a promise is something so explicit that it cannot be misremembered. It either happened or it didn’t. I agree with that. If only one half of a conversation remembers a promise being made, somebody is almost definitely lying. But I just don’t think that applies to the word assured, which is vaguer and has a broader range of meanings to different people.
I agree that there is little difference between the explicit “I promise you that I will do X” and “I assure you that I will do X”, but assured can also be used in less absolute ways. A simple comment like “Don’t worry. I am not gonna mess around with a good thing” is clearly not a promise, but it is not unreasonable for the person hearing that to come away feeling assured that things were not going to change.
I'm doing several things here
I expected the latest story change and I’m drawing on several things here, one, the problems with mis-remembering something so salient and, two, the use of rhetorical techniques [LINK] to elicit sympathy in Cook’s PR campaign. This is the implicit level, the dramaturgical logic.
A hard promise would be remembered. An assurance merely means that he’s disappointed in the direction of the team. Cook’s a liability lawyer who’s (apparently) mastered the art of making the opposite side look very bad. That’s what they do.
The problem is that Bus has to make it look like Cutler was wronged in some way. So, he has to show that Cutler was made a promise (in some form) in order establish him as the wronged party. It’s tort logic.
a small correction
The Bus’ story makes one important modification:
Cook has formally requested a trade on Cutler’s behalf, but contrary to reports, he says he didn’t immediately demand that his client be traded.
“Jay met with the coach early on and then told me everything was going to be OK. He said, ‘We are going to work this out; we are on the same wavelength.’ Everything was fine until Saturday two weeks ago,” Cook told NFL.com.
It would be fatal flaw to their narrative if they claimed to have wanted the trade all along. Bus cites a promise, however, that DOES trace the source of the disagreement back to then — but ignore that contradiction as the type of element only intelligent, thinking people would notice; Bus is shooting lower than that.
Bus’ narrative has to at least present the disagreement as a series of problems caused by the Broncos leading to a final, irreconcilable conclusion. This is the ‘superficial’ aspect of the story that relies on ‘emotional logic’ for it’s continuity.
Also — The “I was offended by the lying; not the trade talk itself” narrative shift is a little like arguments I’ve heard on the Civil War not being about slavery. Some argue that it was about nullification, which is a way of saying it was about the slave states being able to dissolve the union. It would be far better to say the slave states wanted to dissolve the union because of slavery.
This is a long-winded way of saying that Cutler’s story of being offended about the lying about the trade is not believable without reference to what was supposedly being lied about. He could only be offended by the lying if the lie covered an act that was itself offensive. To use an example — wives don’t get mad at their husbands for lying about cheating; they get mad about the cheating itself.
Porkchop--
thanks for the apology. these things happen, and really, it wasn’t a big deal to me, but lke collinski is saying, it’s probably more a community issue. anyway, no problem here and thanks for showing class.
We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur.—Al Gore
Thanks for the apology.
I’ve got that same problem with my future self. I just can’t get him to go away, dangit. And he remembers my password too.
Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark
Papi: it's comforting to know
that you’ve presently got your future self under control. a little sad though, that in the future you’re sitting around badgering the earlier you.
also, what did you decide on the name change? yes? no?
We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur.—Al Gore
Apparently in the future everything gets destroyed.
Something about the Large Hadron Collider. So I and a few other refugees build a time machine out of my future girlfriend’s (!!) DeLorean (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and go back to the past to try to solve the puzzle about how the world gets destroyed. Also, we go back to awesome past events and have sex with a lot of people from the past.
I should make that into a movie.
As for the name change, I can’t think of anything better, so it’ll stay the same for a while.
Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark
This QB has only 4 sphincters
…it is of no use to me.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
True
Some folks actually pay $ to get this incredible inside information. In other news the Broncos could draft a defensive player with the 12th pick, but unnamed sources say it is also possible that they could draft an offensive player.
Isn't that the truth
That’s about as specific as a lot of reports are. I noticed a report the other day saying (about the McDaniels-Cutler meeting) “sources say that words were exchanged between the two.” NO, I thought they were using freaking sign language to communicate!!!!!!!!!
Class of 2009! Two months to go and I'm outta here!
The word 'IF" can do the same thing.
2007-08 MVP: Kobe Bryant
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
I don't know when or where
but something terrible could happen somewhere at some time in the near future.
Peyton Hillis in '09.
Name him---Mr. Balls....or Thunderpussy.
I know.
I’m worried about it too.
I’m just trying to point out that Cutler ‘could’ be traded today or ‘could’ be the Broncos QB for another decade.
I don’t know what’s going to happen.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Mar 19, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions
This is all "Show me the money" bullshit
We get 2 first round picks and a new qb….whatever makes you happy. I’ll take derek anderson for cutler and one first rounder.
I mean we give THEM a first rounder just to get rid of the guy. But seriously cleveland is not going to trade one qb problem for another one would they?
Nice post, Sayre
It’s all speculation at this point, but so is pretty much everything we know about this issue. Nice to see a positive angle, nonetheless. Thanks.
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by broncosmontana on Mar 19, 2009 10:22 AM MDT reply actions
Is this gonna get marked as satire
On Monday when nothing has happened like this article at Bleacher Report story from Tuesday claiming Cutler would be traded to the Redskins and that there was a 5 pm press conference scheduled to announce the trade?
by MattR on Mar 19, 2009 10:31 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll believe it when I see it...
…I’m done trying to guess what’s going to happen…
There is only One Moment—this moment—the Eternal Moment of Now
+ 1
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Mar 19, 2009 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
uh huh.
i guess we’ll have to wait and see but i’m more in the woody paige camp of “good quarterbacks aren’t that easy to find.” with all the cutler piling on (and yes, some of it understandable) let’s not get fooled into thinking the QB position is just “plug and play.” it ain’t.
also, while our O-line is indeed great, a lot of the low sack credit also goes to Guess Who.
We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur.—Al Gore
must...not...make...inappropriate....joke....arrrrggghhhh.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Mar 19, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
sigh....
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Mar 19, 2009 10:47 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
It's a freaking rumor
First off, I don’t see why we would wnat Anderson, his salary is significantly higher than Cutler and his talent is significantly less, Quinn is a noodle armed chump that adds no value, if Mangini doesn’t want him running the same offense as New England, why would McDaniels want him. Sorry, but I am about through discussing the trade rumors, since most of them seem to be generated from other bloggers and really have no merit.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
....and in other news....
…Both ESPN and the National Enquirer are reporting that Jo Jo the Dog Faced Boy has been spotted on the moon by the space shuttle crew.
Rumour and innuendo seem to be getting their just desserts. Folks are tired of it, and prefer hard and sourced news.
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I just saw Elvis wearing a raider's jersey, drinking Pina Coladas at Trader Vics too!
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
For a split second I thought that...
as compensation Denver would receive an unnamed NFL executive.
Hmmmm
Actually...
I wouldnt mind doing the following;
1. Cutler and Sheffler to Cleveland (Gotta to replace Winslow)
2. Quinn/Anderson and Shaun Rogers +2nd this year and 2nd next from Cleveland.
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
Doo, do, doo, doo (That's my X-Files music imitation)
Tony Scheffler hasn’t even bothered to show up. He, like Cutler, quit the Broncos long before Feb 28. Its sort of odd, though. I didn’t know guys who average 10 appearences a year, and who get completely neutralized for entire games, were in a position to blow off teams in this league.
Long story short, you can take him out of any discussions of a Bronco nucleus. Unless he is tacked onto to some Cutler deal, he might command a Foxworth like price on the trade market. Might.
by PredominantlyOrange on Mar 19, 2009 11:16 AM MDT reply actions
Quinn to Denver? Let's Do It!
Remember watching Quinn dissect the Broncos’ D last year? Personally I would love to see the luck of the Irish be brought to Denver! Getting Quinn, the 5th overall, and a 1st or 2nd next year? Heck ya baby! Get it done Bowlen!
Class of 2009! Two months to go and I'm outta here!
Don't forget which QB won that game though :)
And dissecting our defense should not be held up as a great accomplishment.
What QB didn't have a field day on our defense
Our defense made a lot of Qb’s and RB’s a lot of money last year by getting highlite real plays. Darren Sproles should be thanking every member of the 2007 Broncos defense for his new fat contract.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Hell by that thought, we might as well go get Thigpen
He carved up our defense and did it with less talent than Cleveland
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
No, Scheff showed up yesterday.
Cutler is still noticeably absent, however.
Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark
Actually, SHeffler showd up to voluntary work outs.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Bring it on. he'll be a poster boy for the Broncos.
Doesn’t everyone in the league want an Abercrombie model leading their team to the SB? I know I do, because the fact is you can win a super bowl and it’s sweet….but if you win one with a model behind center, it’s REALLY sweet. haha.
Even in the event he’s not a good quarterback, he could model some of the new broncos merch at the Pro Shop.
Peyton Hillis in '09.
Name him---Mr. Balls....or Thunderpussy.
swell.
“uniforms by abercrombie & fitch”.
We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur.—Al Gore
they come with
a pair of flip flops for when your warming up.
a vintage broncos undershirt
and the authentic jerseys will be changed to dark green and grey because it’s more fashionable…
come on, orange and blue is soooo 94.
Peyton Hillis in '09.
Name him---Mr. Balls....or Thunderpussy.
oops. i wanted to link to this but i jacked it up:
(take 2)…
your 2009 denver broncos!…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaendBOenFg
We are ready for an unforeseen event that may or may not occur.—Al Gore
Awesome!
Hopefully we sign these guys too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUqrVvr6iBo
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Mar 19, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions
These guys can be our Oline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hi6yfgOclw
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 19, 2009 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions
OMG...
WTF was that?
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Mar 19, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions
clearly its our Brady Quinn Led O Line!
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Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 19, 2009 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I rather have Hanzel being the QB
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
That Hansel...he's so hot right now!
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Mar 19, 2009 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks, now I lost my appetite
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
OMG, I figured it out McD is actually Mugato
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Sorry screwed that up
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
I give you our next QB
Question is, would McD bring him in, might snag his wife from him
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
I would
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 19, 2009 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions
There's an old line
Brady Quinn is built for show
Jay Cutler is built to go
Just what I want, a QB who spends his time flexing and posing in the mirror versus actually practicing his skills.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
How can a guy with pipes like that have a noodle arm
It’s crazy how arm strength has nothing to do with muscle, that I can tell. I mean a lot of pitchers are skinny 6’2" guys who probably couldn’t bench 100 but can throw a ball 90mph+
I knew this guy who never worked out, unless you consider a curl to be lifting a can of beer from the table to the mouth, and yet could throw balls so hard they could kill you. It’s strange. It must be the ligaments or something.
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks. - Calvin
The secret formula
is that the QB isn’t “pushing” the ball out, with big strong arms, but “slinging” the ball out, like a rock in a sling. Same with a baseball player
The measurement that matters isn’t a “power” measurement, such as bench reps, but the angular acceleration of the ball in relation to the QB (connected by the hand and arm, of course). Leaner, longer arms can throw a ball farther, because the length of the “lever”, the arm, increases the rotational velocity at the end of the arm. The ball becomes hyper-accelerated throught the throwing motion, which is another reason you look for a QB who sets his body up correctly. When a QB starts with pressure ont he backfoot and follows through the throwing motion moving pressure to the front foot, they add momentum to the upper body, which in turn increases the angular momentum of the arm through the throwing motion. through all of this, more power is needed in the core of the body than anywhere else, because it is what makes the QB accurate.
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 19, 2009 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Styg
done used dem big type wordzes that hurts ma brain!
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Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 19, 2009 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions
and golf too...you need to generate a Whip motion and have a solid core to generate torque
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
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torque
is the holy grail of angular momentum. In mathematical terms that is the point at which energy transfers.
Excellent point! Without the torque, everything else is for naught.
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 19, 2009 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not forecasting this ordeal
but the fact that Bowlen has now come out and said, and I’m paraphrasing, “I don’t recall having that discussion with Jay…there was no need to have that discussion with the QB,” when discussing Mike Shanahan’s firing, sort of tells me this thing may be coming to an end. In addition, and in more direct fashion, when Bowlen says, “I would like to keep him here, obviously. But if you are going to be an unhappy camper, there is no real reason to be here.” That signifies to me that Bowlen has come to terms with the fact that Cutler will not settle this thing and the choice to move him is inevitable. I hate that it has come to this, but I definitely do not disagree with the premise of this post which is we may see the Cutler era end shortly.
I can say that I’m hanging in there anticipating what will happen, who we’ll get in exchange and what McD will do around this new QB.
Romans 5:8
I saw it on a video on nfl.com
I think that’s where BronconNC got it.
Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark
a more credible report, but sources?
The idea of two #1s and Brady Quinn has the sound of something that would be acceptable, although considering there’s no source to evaluate, it has to be filed in the rumor pile for now.
I got a positive ‘vibe’ on the Quinn rumor, but I have to wonder how receptive Cleveland would be. On the other hand, getting Cutler in return would eliminate the source of the reluctance, so it’s plausible. There’s no point in examining this idea as if it’s an actual proposal — though. It’s only an idea floated by credible source who’s offering us his opinion of what Cutler could bring, combined with a plausible trading partner.
Detroit is where I would be raiding
I would trade Cutler and Scheffler for:
Lions – 20th & 33rd in 2009, 1st in 2010…. They will still have 7 picks in 09 and Cutler will help Detroit win a few games but not enough. The 2010 Detroit pick will put us into Taylor Mays territory!! MMMM Mays!
Get a hand picked McD’ QB in any round he is so good they don’t have to be taken in the first…(they come in a value meal, you get a toy with it) , so at 12 grab Raji, Cushing. Rey Rey, whoever, then at 20 grab Knowshon to soothe the burn of losing, then use the 33rd for Delmas, the 48th for Ron Brace and the McD’ QB meal and we are set!
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
"he (Turner) can get perfomance out of a yugo, but that is no reason not to buy a nicer car"....Broncobear
Silver lining?
In regards to the compensation Denver would receive, an unnamed NFL executive told the Denver Post that “They should be able to pick a quarterback off a roster and get two No. 1’s – one this year and one next year.”
Still holding out hope for a Cutler-stays resolution, at least there is the potential for some good value in a trade.
or maybe not.
so for one 1st rounder...
we essentially get 2 plus a quarterback…
that’s a deal.
Peyton Hillis in '09.
Name him---Mr. Balls....or Thunderpussy.
Not quite right.
We traded a lower first round and a second round to the Rams fort their 11th overall pick to get Cutler.
So it’d essentially be:
a first round (15th) and second round (68th) and a superior QB (maybe one of the NFLs greats)
for
two first rounds and an inferior QB (there’s not a QB as good as Cutler available).
And given how excruciatingly difficult it can be to get a good QB, let alone a possibly great one, I really don’t see it as much of a deal at all. In fact, I’d say we’re getting screwed.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Mar 19, 2009 8:35 PM MDT up reply actions
My math sucks...68th pick is obviously the 3rd round.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Mar 19, 2009 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
NO CHANCE
IT AIN’T HAPPNIN!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
"Cutler Could be Gone by Weekend"
Which weekend?
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
2nd weekend in April 2030
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 20, 2009 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions
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