The Dichotomy of the Difficulties of Jay and Brandon

now is more of a possibility than Cutler. What wr’s are out there? Housh, Harrison, maybe Torry Holt. I don’t know. But I think you have to put down this stuff. Marshall is repeating himself. I don’t care how much talent a guy has if he isn’t on the field.

It is my prediction that Cutler and Marshall will not be on the field at the same time at the start of next season and possibley not at the end either.

That’s actually doubtful or the charges could not have been so easily dropped. My guess (and this is only a guess) is that they were having a heated arguement and she was hitting and kicking him. In many city’s the cops ticket both and let the court sort it out. When the DA got the facts he had to drop the case. The MSM accounts don’t add up.

I think it may be the only way he will fully begin to understand that playing in the NFL is not a right no matter how talented you are. Which is also why I hope Michael Vick is never allowed back into the NFL. After reading more on the BMarsh arrest and coming to realization that most of this may have been the result of his fiance freaking out on him; I hope things blow over for him. We don’t know what happened, but rest assured that charges would not have been dropped had BMarsh done any serious damage and the charge would have been more than just disorderly conduct.

The fact that there were reports of kicking and punching going on and only a disorderly conduct being brought against BMarsh tells me one thing. HE was not doing the kicking or punching. His disorderly conduct was probably yelling in a heated argument at 5am in the morning. Who is to say this is in response to BMarsh flirting with some random chick or being caught visiting his crazy ex who happens to live in the area. The punching and kicking was his fiance’s doing…I firmly believe that from reading the reports and seeing what BMarsh was arrested for.

The point is, we don’t know what was going on and being quick to jump on BMarsh has a woman beater for something that hasn’t been confirmed is bad enough; but to say we are giving him a free pass is not really true. We are angry over Jay Cutler more so than at BMarsh because Cutler’s antics will have far more serious implications on the success of our favorite team than BMarsh’s girl troubles. You may not like that we put more importance on Cutler’s immaturity than BMarsh’s apparent beating of women, but the fact remains, we are all Bronco fans and it is plain that Cutler’s soap opera is more detrimental to our team than is BMarsh’s.

And please read the report carefully. BMarsh was arrested for disorderly conduct, which means he was yelling and making a public scene and refused to back off when the police officer tried to get him to stop disturbing the peace at 5AM. Obviously, the police must have witnessed his fiance kicking and punching him or that wouldn’t be in the report…but if BMarsh was the one throwing the punches and kicks then I am sure the arrest would NOT be for disorderly conduct, but for assault or battery or domestic violence like in his previous arrest over his supposedly “crazy” ex girlfriend. Let’s not Lynch BMarsh for something he may or may not have done. I honestly think he might be innocent this time around. Sometimes, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck…it’s a wombat. ;-)

But I think his situation has more gravity with the future of the Broncos. This is a guy we need to be happy, and he seems to be going out of his way to prevent that. I will say this, though, I’m done with the Jay drama. I won’t comment on this issue unless we get new information again. Right now I think that the most important things about Cutler’s situation are:
-He did not get traded, and is still here.
-He will, as of now, be the Broncos’ starting quarterback next year.
-He has expressed excitement to be on the Broncos and loves the city and his teammates.
-He will repair his relationship with McDaniels, and after a couple of years of winning (maybe even a Super Bowl) he will not want to go anywhere.

BMarsh does need to cut it. This is a different girl than that Shaqueefer or whatever the hell her name was that was such a bad influence on him. BMarsh needs to do something different, whether it is to quit drinking, go to anger management, find God, or something. I agree that he should be put under more scrutiny, and I would expect McDaniels to have a nice talk with him.

Overall, though, after giving this much thought, I don’t think we have to worry about these two young guys’ standing as members of the Denver Broncos as of now. I’m excited to see them play in McD’s system next year. Playoffs here we come, baby!!

the split you’re seeing is the result of Brandon being through this before (“here we go again” rolls eyes), while the Jay situation is the first time we’ve (as an organization) had trouble with him.

but I think MHR exhausted the BMarsh issue last season…If we remember, we had countless fan post discussions on the matter at the time…So when we hear about yet another BMarsh incident we shake our heads in frustration, almost like a parent does at their kid who keeps making the same, immature mistake. It pisses me off that he can’t seem to learn his lesson esp as it relates to relationship issues. Dude needs to deal with…

But by no means do we ignore his antics (right, wrong or indifferent) or give him a pass while beating up on Jay. I think what’s inspired anger/frustration over Cutler is that a team’s QB is usually the team’s leader. I lived in the DC area when they had Jeff George and watched him on tv say “leadership is overrated.” WTF was the first thing out of my mouth. I don’t want Jay to adopt that mentality, hence my and perhaps other MHR folks frustration…

If Brandon continues to act stupid we cut/trade him and move on. It would be a setback, but it’s not like we don’t have other people to throw the ball to, especially considering our move toward McD’s offense scheme. However, losing Jay (whether to a trade or mentally because he can’t deal with be "disrespected") would set us back since he’d be hard to replace in the short-run.

I just feel the difference between the two stories is due to the players themselves. Honestly, the QB for the Denver Broncos is ALWAYS going to be a huge deal, good or bad. If there is anything at all going on with the starting QB it will trump the WR any day of the week.

The Jay Cutler fiasco happened on Saturday which gave people with Mon-Fri jobs a whole weekend to sit around and talk about it, whereas I didn’t even know about the Marshall arrest until my lunch break today. Anyway, I haven’t freaked out about either of these things. I fully agree with Zappa’s interpretation of the Marshall incident and think that in this particular case he didn’t do anything overly wrong…and I will say for the nth time that I think the Broncos listened to a trade offer and turned it down – plain and simple.

I was willing to give Marshall the benefit of the doubt as far as his previous ‘woman problems’ but this is a pattern. If you’ve been in fights with more than one then you’re in need of counseling, and I don’t pretend that meeting with your average “counselor” is going to solve the problem. The presumption at this point is that he has a serious problem that may or may not be remedied through an intensive commitment on his part to changing, and that may take an entire life. This is not about jumping through some hoops and saying the right thing to meet with bureaucratic approval anymore.

I’m quite serious about what I’m saying here.

I am either a very good or very bad person to add to it since I have been mostly defending both Cutler and Marshall. There have already been some good points brought up, but there are two touchy subjects that have been mostly ignored. The first is that the public likes the violence of the game of football. We practically worship defensive athletes who whip themselves into such a maniacal frenzy that they would hit their own mother. So if a player gets a bit too violent outside the stadium, people seem to more easily forgive it as a momentary transgression made in the heat of the moment. Even repeat offenders get forgiven as men who lose control when they get too emotional, as compared to truly bad people who plan to do harm or take pleasure from it.

The second, even touchier issue is the underlying sexism in a male dominated forum. It is not strong or overt and it is not the main factor affecting people’s viewpoints, but it is there. It is just natural and unavoidable in today’s society, as much as we wish it were not. For the most part, people focus on the celebrity and pay less attention to the anonymous victim. There are exceptions of course when the results are tragic and/or horrible, but usually the victim essentially becomes a bystander to the whole thing. On the other hand, women are obviously going to have a more immediate connection to victims of domestic and/or sexual abuse. I don’t know how much this leads to different reactions from the different genders, but I do think it is a factor (albeit a minor one).

Just saw that bcfunk brought up my first point in an excellent comment while I was trying to be tactful while writing my second point (we’ll see how that worked out). And I do think there is a lot of merit to his “how will it affect the team” concern being primary in most people’s minds. Like with entertainers, as long as an athlete puts out a good product, the public will purchase it

If only becuase it’s the first post in a long while to use ‘kvetch’ in a sentence. I think that we’re dealing with a couple of meshugana, myself. Peter King may be a nebbish, and Cook seems to be, but you’re a mensch for bringing a fine level fo clarity to the conversation. Good post!

Not in “breaking news” sense, but in a fundamental deep down way, i think everyone already knew how they felt about Brandon, whether they were willing to overlook his issues or whether they felt like this was a tradeable offense.

But the Cutler situation was a terrible surprise, that got even more surprising, rather than simmering down. I think the majority of people honestly didn’t know what to think, so they “talked it out.”

I don’t have a problem with no Marshall on the Broncos, and I am also ok with him staying. What really bothers me is that he has demons and they are in danger of turning him into a monster, and the sacrifice is that smiling kid who originally endeared himself to us. THAT would be a loss, and no 2nd rounder can fix it.

Frankly, I think we expect different things from a QB drafted in the 1st round with a Pro Bowl under his belt versus a more unheralded player taken on the 2nd day with a checkered past.

I also think that Cutler is the ‘face of the franchise’ whereas Marshall’s behavior is not unexpected at this point.

There’s a huge gap in what fans expect from these players.

I think there are some deep seated issues in this argument and I think that you just hit the tip of the iceberg.

If what had happened to Cutler happened to Dwayne Bowe, Julius Peppers, or LaDanian Tomlinson, we not only would have sung a different tune, but we wouldn’t have been a fraction as malicious as we were to Cutler.

Those who dichotomize, and those who don’t :) Nice work, Silverblood. I see that Britain is wearing off on you, with your behaviour and prioritising :) Rec’d

Based upon reactions I have seen on numerous forums Bronco fans seem to think Brandon Marshall is harder to replace than Cutler. Fans are livid with the way Cutler is handling himself yet nobody is giving much thought to the potential mess Marshall finds himself in. Marshall could be one of the best WR’s in the game if he wanted and still he is on the verge of being suspended for half the season? Who knows what Goodell would do if Marshall gets in anymore trouble. Why don’t we get our perspective back and realize Cutler is and always has been a good guy with a lot of talent – and not to mention the feel good story surrounding Cutler’s struggle with diabetes. Instead of trading this guy the Broncos need to maximize Cutler’s potential ON and OFF the field.

All of this created an idea. Here it is: The Broncos trade their #12 pick for a late first round pick and a third or fourth round pick (or whatever the going rate may be). Everyone is thinking Defense in the first round, but what if we grabbed a WR like Hakeen Nicks late in the first round and use the additional picks later in the draft to build up some more depth on the Defense. The combination of Cutler, Royal, Nicks, Marshall, and just a mediocre running game would be lethal. Nicks would also serve as a safety net if Marshall does unfortunately slip up and is handed a lengthy suspension.

I hope the Broncos are prepared if the rain begins pouring or else we might see McDaniels start his new gig with a Cutler-less and Marshall-less team. Who saw that coming?

I can’t possibly add anything that hasn’t already been mentioned above. Just wanted to give ya some more well deserved props. Very important topic, very well articulated.