Denver's Unique Running Back System
Many Broncos fans may be asking -
"What might we expect from the new Denver management in terms of running-back usage?"
It’s a fair question. We can’t expect to know Josh McDaniels’ mind with certainty. He has promised us an offense different ‘from anything you’ve seen before’. I’d enjoy that. But we can look at several facts and actions, and have a fairly good idea of both what he has used and what certain coaches with the Broncos have done historically.
The new Broncos kept two of the top offensive weapons of the old Broncos – Bobby Turner and Rick Dennison. With Dennison keeping watch over the nasty and skilled blocking of Ryan Clady, Ben Hamilton, Casey Wiegmann, Chris Kuper and Ryan Harris, the Broncos' zone-blocking scheme is alive and well. With Turner teaching the running backs the one-cut system that created more 1,000 yard runners than any other team in the NFL over the past 14 years, the Broncos have some powerful options to offer Josh McDaniels’ ‘new thing’ offense.
Continued on the inside…
Let's address something: Over the past few months, nycbroncosfan has produced a couple of great articles on running backs (here and here). He looked at an overall analysis of the production of individual running backs by round drafted in one and looked at the romanticizing of the history of the Denver rushing attack in the other. They were great. Still, some points were just outside their scope.
For example, There is less of a team 'committee' approach as we go further back in time. a modern running back can be an essential part of the team's RB scheme by blocking, running good routes, adding to the return game or special teams and receiving, in addition to running the ball. That will change how skills, and the outcome of picks, are perceived over time. The Broncos are one such team, as is New England.
Steve O wrote an impassioned piece on RBs, and I respect his opinion. One thing that he and I agree on is that there are a lot of ways to build a team. However, there are specific reasons why the Broncos' needs, and the background of McDaniels regarding RBs, will change the way RBs are chosen and how they are used, despite the continuity implied by the retention of Turner and Dennison.
There is also no doubting the emotional surge that the fan-base will experience in cheering for a solid first-round primary back, and some of our members will understandably be hoping for one, but our free-agent moves show that is not for this year. There is hope in the future, though.
In my perspective, as well as nycbroncosfan's, Mike Shanahan overdid his approach to a very useful O line/RB system. He repeatedly ran 1,000-yard rushers, a valuable commodity, out of Denver. The Broncos had more 1,000-yard rushers over Shanahan's tenure than any other team in football, which is both good and bad. The good was that we had them - the bad was that we let them or made them leave.
Why did the Broncos have so many RBs do so well? Because the specific needs and benefits of the system are very effective and very different from the average team. The talents of Rick Dennison and Bobby Turner are scheme-specific - they use the skills of the Broncos' unique ZB system on the O-Line and marry that to Turner's variation of the one-cut system. Used together, they maximize the potential of the RBs so that you can effectively use a runner from a later pick (but preferably not a very late pick) to gain excellent yardage.
That is a great benefit from the standpoint of team-building, because you can, within reason, use certain higher picks on other needs. If you go to a committee system, which Denver did and which McD's history comes from (NE's was superior to Denver's in many respects over the past 4 years) you can improve your team stats even more by this system, although at the expense of individual stats.
I thought that Shanahan (who I admire greatly as a coach and OC, and I don't mean this to pile on him) made several errors, and we've talked about them on MHR. He liked players that no one else wanted, eventually making great use of very low picks and UFAs such as Young and Hall. That's probably fine, in degree, if he found healthy backs that met the system perfectly (which is rare), but Mike took it to extremes. I think that he was too liberal with his ideas regarding injury history. Several times, he ran very productive backs out of town on thin reasoning or on a few mistakes, refusing to work with backs if they developed ‘issues'. They seemed almost disposable.
Historically, we know those things about Mike S. However, those things don't change the fact that given our retention of Turner and Dennison, we continue to see that finding a runner for a one-cut, zone-blocking committee system is a completely different creature from drafting for other teams. The player needs to have all of these abilities:
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They have to put the team before their own stats and ego.
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They have to block, run routes, chip and receive well in addition to their running skills and intelligence..
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They need excellent field vision, defensive-scheme comprehension and the neuromuscular abilities to see and respond very quickly (advanced proprioception).
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They have to put the coaches' knowledge before their own "I've done it this way my whole life" approach.
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They have to be able to come in from the bench and do their jobs well immediately without needing to ‘get into a groove'.
What is important to Denver is not what round these players are found in, although it's fair to say that letting the picks fall too low decreases the chances of success in degree. It's all about whether or not their skillsets and mentality match the Broncos' very unique system's needs. If you accept that keeping Turner and Dennison suggests that the above will still matter, at least in great degree, then to add to our understanding let's add the next issue: What's McDaniels' background as far as the running game?
To summarize it, in the slightly different system that was run under McD for the past 4 years in NE, many key points are the same. Kevin Faulk got a lot of attention last season, but he only got 83 carries for 507 yards and 3 rushing TDs - yet he was a 2nd-round pick of New England's in 1999. Their primary back was Sammie Morris (5th round, Buffalo, 2000) with 156 carries for 727 yards and 7 TDs.
In the movement to a modern committee approach, backs can be essential without compiling large numbers running the ball. They may be better at some combination of blocking, route running, returning and/or receiving. The real key for the Broncos in future drafting is recognizing exactly what kind of back Denver needs to fit its system and specific requirements. My money will always on be Bobby Turner to do that for us. I hope that his voice will be listened to. McDaniels will want many of those same qualities.
How high a draft pick we use on a RB needs to be matched against exactly what other needs we have. These factors together don't suggest the use of a 1st-round back at all at this time. While not a gambler myself, I'm comfortable betting that McD and Co. won't be shelling out a 1st on a RB until the team is much stronger, both on defense and depth-wise, such as on the O-Line.
By the way - NE's Lawrence Maroney was a 1st-round pick (New England, 2006). He had only 28 carries for 93 yards and 0 TDs in 2008. He should do better when Morris ages or is injured, if he can stay healthy. BenJarvus Green-Ellis (Undrafted Free Agent, 2008) was on the practice squad until October 11, but he had amassed 74 carries, 275 yards and 5 TDs by the end of the year, while new Bronco LaMont Jordan, a second-round pick out of Maryland in 2001 (by the Jets), had 80 carries for 363 yards and 4 TDs. What does this tell us?
It says that McD's offense depended on no one specifically, and stayed with no single category of runner in terms of rounds in the draft. The main back (Morris) was a 5th-rounder and Green-Ellis was undrafted. The other three backs on the ‘committee' were two second rounders (Faulk and Jordan) and a first. That first-rounder (Maroney) was only chosen after a long period of top team-production (and some nice rings), and he is still mostly warming the bench, although partly due to injuries.
NE was happy to use good, higher picks on RBs and I suspect that McD eventually will be - he probably, and rightfully, sees that he needs to build a defense and get ahead of the curve on depth and preparation for the future on offense before moving towards higher RB draft picks. But, eventually he will. Why?
Bobby Turner needs a very specific back. They may be in the 1st round, or the 2nd, 5th or 7th. McD is about winning - he will go after whatever pick he needs. He will start by rebuilding the aspects of the team that he needs to change the offensive and defensive scheme, and clearly the defense needs a lot more help. But once they have the central pieces in place, they will get the RBs at whatever slot Turner finds them.
One thing the Patriots emphasized, McD echoed this year in free agency and it will mesh well with the current Broncos: Catching the ball out of the backfield. The five backs that the Broncos will probably go into camp with - Hillis, Torain, Jordan, Arrington and Buckhalter, in no order - are all talented at receiving. Arrington has more yards receiving (255 in 2008, in '07 it's 241) than he does rushing ('08 - 187, in '07 - 78) His return skills (923 last year) will be an added bonus.
It would be jumping the gun to say that we can know with certainty how the new offense will use running backs. However, we do know a lot.
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The retention of Turner and Dennison speak to both aspects of the Broncos basic running game: the O-Line and the training of RBs.
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We can also see how McDaniels has used RBs in the past - a committee system, which is not unlike the Broncos recent system but with a greater emphasis on shared carries, immediate production when entering the game, running between the tackles, and an emphasis on running draws and receiving out of the backfield, as well as skills at pass-blocking.
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Finally, we can look at the skillsets of the three RBs that Josh brought in. Correll Buckhalter, J.J. Arrington and LaMont Jordan are all skilled receivers as well as running backs.
Combining the attributes of the Denver and New England systems describes for us a specific type of back in terms of skills and temperament ,who will most likely fit the needs of the new or ‘modern' Denver RB approach. Regardless of which round we find them in, fulfilling Bobby Turner's requirements as well as those of Josh McDaniels should soon give us a stable of productive backs that will be able to fulfill whatever game-plans that Josh can design, and OC Mike McCoy will oversee.
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How many is too many?
We have a lot of running backs…I hope McD has a good fair approach in sorting out these guys. I don’t want to see Hillis riding the pine or getting cut if he doesn’t get a chance at reps…
by gunnermc on Mar 20, 2009 12:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If he's not stuck at full back, he'll get his reps.
The NE system, as I noted, was to spread them around. They used 5 backs, and 4 of them got serious reps (for the system) I’m not worried. Peyton has a history of being underestimated and overcoming that beginning. He’s likely to do it again.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 20, 2009 12:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Bear,
Excellent job! I think there’s a coach underneath all of that fur just dying to come out!
Highly, highly rec’d. Thanks for the terrific read!
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 20, 2009 12:41 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
Yes, probably so. Love that teaching…
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 20, 2009 12:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post
I enjoy reading your posts Bear. They are always very informative.
by theflanman86 on Mar 20, 2009 1:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post, BB
And, BTW, if readers aren’t regularly checking the Fanshots column, you’re missing a lot of good info (go to the top, and click on Fanshots)
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by bradley on Mar 20, 2009 1:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent write up Bear!
I am excited to see things this season I would love to have some double back sets with Hills and Torain sitting back there. Catching, Running we can do it all. I am not sold on Buckhalter but I am sure he will get time. I see Jordan as a short yardage goal line guy. I like having so many backs because I can see Hillis and Torain getting a lot of time later on in the season as the aging vets start to lose some momentum. Arrington might get a carry or six this year and a few passes but I see him as a ST guy which is not a bad thing to me. If the guy is dedicated to getting the ball kicked to him and can focus on that aspect of the game, imagine the possibilities (al a Hester)
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 20, 2009 1:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great write-up
Rec’d. It was very insightful.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Mar 20, 2009 1:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post Doc. A fine read indeed---always a joy---Rec'D
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by UB3 on Mar 20, 2009 1:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice work, bear!!
Great, solid overview. Man am I hungry for some football.
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by broncosmontana on Mar 20, 2009 2:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great work!
I would add one quality that is essential for backs in the Turner/Dennison system. They must trust the system, more than their ability. There actually is nothing that unique about Denver’s zone-blocking system; lots of teams use ZB. What is unique is the way they combine it with the 1-cut system. Denver stresses that the back must wait to make his cut until the backside pursuit has been sealed off. Most backs want to cut into the hole as soon as it opens, but that’s not Denver’s way. In fact you will often hear complaints about runners being too slow to the hole.
One of the reasons that Denver selects back lower in the draft is that backs who are selected more highly tend to have depended on their athletic/physical skill set. They are reluctant to abandone what got them to the pros. Lower round backs tend to be less physically gifted and have made it through hard work honing their technique. They are used to succeedingthrough study and hard work. For them, trusting the system comes more naturally; it’s an extension of what got them to the pros.
Once again, great write up.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 20, 2009 3:46 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks SWG
would add one quality that is essential for backs in the Turner/Dennison system. They must trust the system, more than their ability. There actually is nothing that unique about Denver’s zone-blocking system; lots of teams use ZB. What is unique is the way they combine it with the 1-cut system. Denver stresses that the back must wait to make his cut until the backside pursuit has been sealed off. Most backs want to cut into the hole as soon as it opens, but that’s not Denver’s way. In fact you will often hear complaints about runners being too slow to the hole.
I was trying to say much the sem thing, but you said it better.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 20, 2009 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could tell you were thinking about it....
but I wanted to point it out because I think McDaniels’ entire system is going to rely on the same attitude. Play within yourself, execute your assignment, trust the system.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 21, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Play within yourself, execute your assignment, trust the system.
Nice and succinct. I don’t think it can be put more clearly than that.
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by spock on Mar 21, 2009 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another great post bear, thank you!
I would love to see us with a player with Floyd Little skillsets “modernized”. He could do all of the things you talk about so very well.
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by firstfan on Mar 20, 2009 4:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic work Doc!
There really is nothing to add, you touched it all very well, as usual. Thanks for the shout, it is appreciated.
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by Steve O' on Mar 20, 2009 6:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Bear, your article nicely emphasizes
the importance of the committee approach. One thing that stood out in my mind last year was how effective Edgerrin James was at the end of the season. He had fresh legs. It’s a cliche but no accident that running backs are commonly used up by age 30. No other position takes that kind of pounding. It makes sense to have not a primary back and his backup(s), but a set of backs to share the load and the pounding. That way, ideally, the running game is as strong in January as it is in September, and each of those backs has a longer career. I notice that the backs McDaniels took in free agency all have relatively few NFL miles on them. In his approach to the running game and to running back usage McDaniels is in the vanguard of modern thinking.
One thing that comes across in your article is how similar McDaniels’ New England running game was to the Denver running game. Those who think he has been hellbent on change for change’s sake should take note that Dennison and Turner are the only coaches he retained. It wasn’t just the presence of Jay Cutler that made the Denver job such an attractive prospect, but also the fact that the basis for his kind of running game was already in place. I think the only thing that will change – perhaps the jettisoning of Alridge was a symptom of that – will be an intensified emphasis on red zone and short yardage effectiveness, which bodes well for Hillis’ place in the system. I want to see him get his touches but not be worn down when the playoffs begin.
Another thing that bodes well for Hillis, which you emphaisze with particular clarity, is the importance in McDaniels’ system of backs being able to catch the ball and having multiple skills. Clearly, in this one area McDaniels is building upon what Shanahan had already accomplished, and has made a point of maintaining its key assets: Turner and Dennison, the offensive line, Hillis. Those who complain that he’s blown up the one thing about last year’s team that functioned well, our “second-ranked” offense, have overlooked the fact that it underperformed on the scoreboard, and that he has taken steps only to remedy that shortcoming. Your articles, along with those of hoosierteacher and Styg50, are always at the top of my reading list.
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by spock on Mar 20, 2009 7:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You're very kind spock
That’s pretty rarified air you’re putting me in ;-) You’ve got a good point – McD and X brought in low mileage backs who can catch. I don’t know if Buckhalter’s knees will hold up, but I’m guessing that we’ll have 5 RB plus a FB to start the season. I would prefer Larsen at LB, but he would do fine if we don’t draft a FB or use Pinnock (isn’t he still with us? He’d be fine in the NE type of attack).
Please note that the biggest differences between the NE style and the Broncos style is that NE runs more draws and between the tackles, also asking their RB to receive more. We throw more to the TE, they to the RB, but there is enough in common to be worth consideration.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 21, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, all... new poster here...
Broncos’ fan since the days of Floyd Little and Bobby Anderson.
I just wanted to say that this is an exceptional article, very insightful and informative as to the reasons why the Broncos have been able to produce so many high-yard RB’s in the last 15 years (and why most of those guys don’t do nearly as well when they’re no longer in Denver’s system).
I’m a hockey fan first and foremost — got my start there watching the Denver Spurs play in the old WHL at the Coliseum back in the early 70’s — but I’ve lived and died with the Broncos every football season since 1970.
I’ll be around more often to add whatever insight and comments I can.
Cheers,
B.
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by Tomorrows Blues on Mar 20, 2009 8:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome, TB
Always nice to add a long term fan to the MHR ranks, Thanks for the props – I’ll look forward to your comments.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 21, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to have another MHR blogger
Welcome TB
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Mar 21, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chester Taylor
We’ll give you CT and our 1st draft pick for Cutler.
This should solve your and our dilemma.
by LAviking on Mar 21, 2009 12:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Toss in TavJak and we can both laugh our selves silly
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 21, 2009 4:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice to get some real football info, Mr. Bear
Great Bronco RB analysis. Wouldn’t it be sweet if Torain could stay healthy. I’m not all that crazy about our FA signings. I liked Aldridge and was sorry he didn’t get a chance to compete. If Denver could get an extra third, I think Jennings from Liberty could be real steal.
When are you going to do an article on conditioning. As you know, I am not a fan of the Tuten program (whatever that is).
How is Jovian? (I think that right)
by St. James Bronc on Mar 22, 2009 1:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
She's great, and thanks ;-) (It's Jivan, but who cares?)
Tuten is actually very good at what he does. The place that I have concerns is in looking at what he doesn’t do. In a couple of days (Tuesday afternoon) I have an article coming out of Charles Dimry (Denver’s old CB in the early 1990s) and the Velocity Sports Performance Center. What they are doing is en extension of the system that Loren Seagrave began, but they have added extensive physical analysis of the players, overspeed training, physical therapy if needed, and the application of physics combined with physiology and neuromuscluar training to create an understanding of how to provide the professional football player can be provided with a program with will develop his current abilities and inprove his durability while reducing injuries. It’s nearly exact to how I would suggest that be done. I think you’ll find it interesting – and their clients are everyone from folks off the bus to those on the pro field. Great people, great program. I hope you’ll like it.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 22, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Bear...
Have you ever looked into Pete Egoscue’s stuff. If you remember he was the trainer John Lynch used to work with.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 22, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No - and thanks
I could do a followup article on him. You see, John is a friend of Charles and I read an article that teetered on the edge of claiming that he trained at Velocity. I checked my facts with Erin and Charles and found that it was wrong, but didn’t have Pete’s name until just now – thanks, SWG.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 22, 2009 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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