Horse Tracks 3/23/09
by Douglas A. Lee on Mar 23, 2009 5:11 AM MDT
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DP - John Madden and Troy Aikman don't know what the big deal is. That's great...somebody want to tell Cutler that?
DP - The Broncos have worked out three defensive players ahead of the draft so far, and reportedly are putting their incumbent running backs on the block. Here comes the firestorm - Peyton Hillis is supposedly on the list. Awesome - just when our collective blood pressures were starting to fall...
IN - Update 8AM EST - Sam Adams went to Nashville in search of Jay Cutler...
ML - Thankfully, the Broncos aren't talking trade with anybody.
CR - The Canton Rep wonders if whiners can be winners. You'll never guess who that refers to...
NYDN - The Jets told the Broncos they'd be interested in trading for Jay Cutler. This follows up a previous Gary Myers story on Saturday in which he says the Jets must go after Cutler.
MH - The Raiders have acquired Dolphins center Samson Satele in exchange for an undisclosed draft choice. This, after the Dolphins signed Raiders free agent center Jake Grove to start in Miami.
Y! - Former Bronco and current Raider Cornell Green is facing charges of domestic violence.
ML - The Lions have already begun negotiations on a contract with their mystery man for the draft's first selection. KFFL is reporting that Baylor OT Jason Smith is the choice. Hmm, it's March 23rd - I'd take that last part with a grain of salt the size of Jupiter...
Y! - Don't expect any changes to the NFL's overtime rules this year.
ESPN - The Bears have agreed to terms with free-agent safety Glenn Earl. Agent mouthpiece extraordinaire Len Pasquarelli, "reports" that Earl brings "size and play-making ability" to the position (guy hasn't played in 2 years).
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Thanks again, nyc!
I would have to say that I would be angrier if we traded Hillis than if we traded Cutler. Then again, it’s Mike Klis, so I’m not worried about it. He probably just overheard someone telling someone else about how they heard from someone that Josh McDaniels was trying to trade a Denver running back. I don’t care about Torain and Young, as they have never played three games in a row before.
Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark
Ummm...
Once again purely speculative, and nothing to say it is Hillis.
its funny, we are all up in arms when we hear Hillis will be a FB/ H Back type guy and not running back, yet when there are rumors of trading a RB, we think of Hillis, yet most of the conjecture says Denver is not looking at him as a RB….who knows, but I cant see anyone trading for Young or Torain…or really even Hillis…we are stoked on him but to the rest of the NFL he was a stop gap RB that got inured.
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I totally agree Papigrande, if we trade Peyton Hillis I will flip out.
A decision to trade Hillis would really make me wonder what the hell is going on in Denver. He can play FB, HB, and catches the ball very well out of the backfield, which seems to be a priority for the new system. But we’ll have to wait and see.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Mar 23, 2009 6:23 AM MDT reply actions
I wouldn't get too worried
Think in numbers here: We have oodles of quality RBs. No superstars, but lots of guys with potential or known solid contributers. Odds are we don’t trade Hillis. He’s talented and young. It doesn’t make sense unless someone offers way too much for him.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
I would take 8 first round picks every year for the next 5 years
that sounds sufficent
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 23, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
+ 1
If Mcd likes versatile, athletic players, Hillis is his man. Hillis is going to be the Karl Mecklenburg of the Bronco Offense.
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Mecklenburg? Who?
Oh, you must be referring to the lineman/linebacker who played every spot on the defensive front on his way to 3 First-Team All-Pro selections and six Pro Bowls. Sorry, I’d forgotten, since there have been so many Denver HOF snubs since Mecklenburg. As the list grows, it becomes harder to remember the names which came first…
by Douglas A. Lee on Mar 23, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Here's the real question....
what do you really get in return for any of them, even Hillis? A 5th round pick at best? Conditional pick? I’m all for trading Young, but I’d like to see what Torain and Hillis can do here.
Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.
John C. Calhoun --
+1
There are so many expletives that are appropriate, but yet not appropriate at the very suggestion of that trade.
That boy has heart. He brought back the salute. And whether or not everyone wants him to the primary back, every fan loves that guy. I just love the way he wins every yard whether it’s running the ball in traffic or tip-toeing up the sideline after a catch…
It’s not gonna happen though… not gonna…
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by orange&blue_aussie on Mar 23, 2009 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Serious question...
Do pre-emptive petitions have a place in the NFL?
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Mar 23, 2009 7:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Mornin nyc, Thanx for Horse Tracts
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
Hillis
By all means trade Hillis. Maybe for a 6th rounder – that would be an upgrade! Sure, he’s a flat out stud with versatility but he’s not one of Josh’s guys. Besides, we don’ t need him because we now have Corell (one more toke and I’ll be over that line) Buckhalter. A poor man’s Travis Henry if I ever saw one…
Guys this cannot be legit… can it?
Poor man's Travis Henry.....
HAHA! Classic. Ricky Williams is the Bently, Travis Henry the Mercedes, and Buckhalter the buy-here pay-here Lexus with high mileage.
by ThunderBringer on Mar 23, 2009 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Buckhalter is a freaking Yugo (fulled by weed)
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Hillis is the new Bronco (2009 version)
Old and new school combined!
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
looks like a
2nd generation transformer….
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 23, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I am fine with trading Cutler but Hillis does not make any sense
He doesnt cost much and what would we get for him? I 6th or 7th rounder? Are we crazy?
I can't see how we would be better
without Hillis in any way shape or form. He can run, block, catch, and lead. I was hoping they would keep Pinnock at FB, to keep Hillis out of that pure FB role. I also think he and Jordan would be a lethal duo late in games when you are trying run time off of the clock, or early when you want to loosen up the defense up a bit. Shoot, I was looking forward to watching him in whatever role he played on the field.
Searching for Cutler = Waiting for Godot?
The MSM is turning into theatre of the absurd.
Someone alert Fonzie: the shark is getting impatient.
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
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by broncosmontana on Mar 23, 2009 8:29 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Very nice use...
..of obscure humor. I got it, and it earns your comment a rec.
Nicely done!
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 23, 2009 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions
lol
Thanks, HT. If I’d known that obscurity is all it takes to get a rec, I’d have tried much harder to make much less sense ages ago. ; )
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50
by broncosmontana on Mar 24, 2009 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Everyone take a deep breath...
This is just another example of Mike Klis’s crap journalism. What does the article actually say:
Two NFL executives say the Broncos have been asking teams if they are interested in acquiring one of their running backs.
Then later Klis tells us:
The Broncos’ holdover running backs who can be had for trade: Selvin Young, Ryan Torain and Peyton Hillis.
Notice that there’s no source. Klis would be more journalisticly accurate to simple tell us those are the holdover RBs. We don’t know which, if any, of them are available for trade.
More irresponsible journalism from the DP. Accountability – what a joke!
Hillis isn't going anywhere.
At least not according to this article.
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 23, 2009 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Is there supposed to be a link in that comment?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 23, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I was referring to the Klis article above that everyone has been commenting on.
I meant that the article which says Hillis is on the block doesn’t actually have anything in it saying that Hillis is on the block.
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 23, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Got it.
As a fan, I would hate to see Hillis go. What he did in his brief time was a blast to watch (a true power runner!)
But from a business / coaching standpoint, is Hillis beyond trading? I don’t think so. If we can get trade value for a player that has proven himself in a very limited time span, how bad is that? I know we as fans are quick to bond to players (a lot of folks simply love a certain, speedy RB who excelled in the pre-season but never played a down this year). I think Hillis is great. But the evidence is limited to a small set of games, and Denver would be reasonable if they did make a trade.
Of course, this is all useless rambling. As you point out, Hillis sounds safe.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 23, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Thank you NYC
you are unparalleled in your contributions.
I would be very sad to see Hillis go. Jordan is the same “Type” of back with about half the gas in the tank. Torain is also un proven. I think the only one who anyone would look at woudl be Selvin Young. His injury issues have made me believe he will be cut but if we could pick up a 7th rounder for him I am all for it!
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Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
See
its this kind of BS Reporting that burns me:
No, he gets a quarterback controversy. Jay Cutler wants to be traded. The Broncos have been talking with teams interested in Cutler at the NFL owners meetings.
Sure they talked I am sure at least Tampa Bay and Detroit have approached them “Uh, hey guys we heard your QB is on the market”
Sorry You Heard WRONG!
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 23, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll take some of that
whatever drug you all are taking that enables you to say it’s okay to lose culter but not hillis… hit me! i want to get to the comfortably numb zone.
but i agree that i DO NOT want to lose hillis. this guy can run. forget 40 times and speed tests and pedigree—-the man can RUN.
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"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
In case the Fanshot remains lost in obscurity..
There is a McDaniels interview on NFLN tonight at 7 ET. He says Jay is the QB.
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I can't believe that Denver would look at trading Torain or Hillis
Bobby Turner needs to go slap around someone, why bring in some broken down RB, when you have some very talented, young ones in the stable. If they want to get rid of Young and Hall, so be it, but why give up on Torain and Hillis.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
I understand this is a "business"
but I just get the impression this front office is viewing its roster as a portfolio of stocks and bonds. When does the people side of this enter in?
I don’t know . . . is it just me?
Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy
It is tough
But there is no need to get upset until you see a bone-headed trade actually happen. The business side of football is very important. We need to get better in MANY areas with our personnel. It makes a lot of sense to shop some of our RBs – even talented ones.
Now if a trade happens like the Leach trade then raise a fuss…as that was bone-headed and insensitive. But otherwise the FO has been solid so far this year IMNSHO.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
I think your mistake...
is in seeing this front office as different from any other front office. Ask Brian Greise or Jake Plummer what they thought of the previous front office. Recent actions are being viewed under a microscope as if they are somehow unique. Shanahan was almost legendary in the way he would dump players once they got in his doghouse. The only difference I see, is that the current front office seems to be making decisions based on rational thought and consideration (though we may sometimes disagree with their conclusions) while the previous regime was based on Shanahan’s emotional reaction to players.
BTW: There is no, read zero, evidence that the team is considering trading Hillis.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 23, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
And let's remember
that outside of McD, X, Bowlen, and the assistant coaches, no one really knows what this year’s O is going to look like or require to run as efficiently as possible. It’s hard to critique a decision at this point, since we don’t know what the plan is going to be.
I’ve heard the argument that they should be building the offense around the talent they have. While I agree that many of our best players should be retained and found some role, I disagree with the notion that we can do this for everyone. When Pat hired McD, it was a clear indicator that everything was subject to change. It’s a bold new world where the gilded laws of the previous universe may no longer apply. We can’t truly critique their moves for better or worse until we know exactly what they’re trying to do.
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy." - Horvil Tiki
"Enter Bus Cook, and his Methods of Madness." - Styg50
by broncosmontana on Mar 23, 2009 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting quote by Madden.
“You should never get in this kind of thing with your best player,” Madden said. “Maybe the player knows it, but is Cutler being a baby? I don’t know, but here’s your player. It’s a simple thing. Fix it.”
I hope things do get fixed
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Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
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