Tale of Two Systems
This post is intended to show some very basic differences between the Erhardt - Perkins offensive philosophy base that Josh McDaniels used in New England and compare it what we are familiar with in Denver. It is important to note that the original Erhardt - Perkins scheme isn't quite the same as the variation that Bill Belichick currently uses. The Erhardt - Perkins system was named for Ron Erhardt and Ray Perkins. The Broncos meanwhile used their own variation of the West Coast offense originally created by Bill Walsh. In this post I am going to share some basic differences between the two philosophies.
The Denver Broncos used to run a variation of the West Coast offense, not exactly Bill Walsh's system but similar. Often times you hear players and coaches say "it takes time to learn the new terminology" when they change teams or systems. Well in the West Coast system started by Bill Walsh, formations are commonly named after colors. The basic premise of the passing game in the West Coast offense is to use short slanting pass routes while often using Running Backs as receivers. A QB with mobility is preferred with the belief that the smaller, receiving back may not be well suited for pass blocking. The West Coast system under Mike Shanahan utilized different offensive sets that often saw potential pass blockers sneak out for passing routes. A mobile QB for Shanahan's system was also important as the coach liked to run a lot of bootlegs where mobility and accuracy are needed. The West Coast also tends to prefer bigger receivers who run well after the catch. The short slants and quick routes mean big plays come after the catch. With a good QB, the Broncos were never afraid to throw downfield from a pocket. With a less talented QB at the helm the system would only throw downfield on a play action pass or bootleg trying to fool the defense to help the deficiencies of the QB.
As for the running game, the Broncos used the vaunted Zone Blocking scheme that was installed by Alex Gibbs. In the Denver scheme the offensive line works in unison off the snap to get the defense flowing in one direction. The key is for all the lineman to move together and use their mobility to slide down the line of scrimmage. The running back is responsible for finding the proper lane then making one cut and then head down hill. Meanwhile, the backside (away from the direction of the flow) of the offensive line "cuts" (meaning bring to the ground) the defensive linemen opening an opportunity if the original running lane is clogged. One of the many geniuses of this system is that often times the offensive line would get to the "second level", meaning a Center or Guard on a Linebacker or Safety. If the Running Back hit the hole at the proper time he only had one or two guys left to beat. When the Wide Receivers blocked well the result was a big play. It is a running system that proved a one cut style runner who could hit the hole hard could do well. If the Running Back had great vision, cutting abilities and patience he could become elite.
The next system starts with Bill Parcells who worked with Ray Perkins in 1979 with the NY Giants. The following year Parcells was the linebackers coach for the New England Patriots under Ron Erhardt. The very next year, Bill returned to NY and became the Defensive coordinator again reunited with Perkins. When Perkins went on to the University of Alabama, Parcells was named Head Coach of the Giants. This brings us to Charlie Weis. Weis worked with Parcells with the Giants in 1990. When Parcells left the Giants in 1991, Weis stayed with NY as the Running Backs coach for two seaons. Later in his career after stints with the Patriots, Jets and finally back to the Patriots where in 2000 was hired as Offensive Coordinator. Weis installed the Erhardt-Perkins system with the Patriots that Josh McDaniels is familiar.
The first obvious difference when learning the new system is in the aforementioned terminology. The Erhardt - Perkins system uses terminology in a number system instead of colors. In Charlie Weis' book "No Excuses" he shares the first play he called in the Super Bowl, "Zero Flood Slot Hat, Seventy-eight Shout Tosser." Zero is the base formation. Flood Slot Hat further modifies this formation to a set with one back in motion, two tight ends and two wide receivers (which is to say five potential receivers in total). Seventy-eight is the base play number, a three step drop play. Shout tells the three potential receivers on one side of the quarterback what routes they should run, while Tosser tells the other two potential receivers their patterns. (1) In that play Tom Brady hit Troy Brown for a 21 yard pick up, 17 of it coming after the catch.
The Erhardt - Perkins system is historically known as "tradition smash mouth football". As SlowWhiteGuy recently reminded me the Erhardt's adage is, "pass to score, run to win". The run was often used to set up the passing game but the system in New England has now evolved into more of a passing system that uses many 5 WR packages.
The first theory was basically bigger running backs, pound the football and control the clock. These are things that were considered important to the bad weather conditions in the Northeast. The "run to set up the pass" theory in this system made play-action the main weapon to pass the ball downfield. Trying to create bad match ups for the defense by using the running game as a constant threat. The Patriots have taken the match up game to a new level. They create receivers from almost every position as evident in the play called by Weis in the Super Bowl. The Patriots also employ a "Gap" blocking system for running the ball that it isn't quite the same as Denver's Zone Blocking scheme. In a recent post by MHR member Super 7, he specifically asks what the differences are in the two schemes. SlowWhiteGuy had a great response...
"The short version...
Gap blocking assigns each blocker to block a specific gap; sort of the converse of a 1-gap defense. Zone blocking requires groups of blockers to team together to block a certain zone."
One arrow in the quiver of Coach McDaniels was the success the Patriots enjoyed in their 2007 season. The question becomes how did the historic 16-0 Patriots work their magic? Gary Horton from Scouts Inc. breaks down the Pats offense after the 2007 season:
Offensive scheme: QB Tom Brady's near-flawless execution has helped make a star out of young coordinator Josh McDaniels. The Patriots liberally (and effectively) throw deep, but they have the athletic receivers to also move the offense with the short passing game. Roughly 75 percent of the plays are run out of a spread formation, featuring screens, gadget plays and new wrinkles every week. The Pats force defenses to prepare for everything and expect anything. They run out of empty formations and slip in and out of no-huddle. They call unorthodox plays with odd personnel groupings from unusual alignments. The bad news for opponents: the run game may be a bigger part of New England's offense in 2008, providing better balance that could make the offense even more dangerous.
It seems as if the Patriots system is based off an Erhardt - Perkins but under McDaniels has now grown into a more diverse, complex scheme designed for the modern game. To gain some insight on how McDaniels will approach his new job, lets look at Belichick's philosophies that are evident in this interview. (2)
COACH: What are the keys to game planning and strategizing an opponent? In short, how do you break down an offense?
BELICHICK: Preparation consists of two things: No. 1, have a complete understanding of what your opponent does and is capable of doing and No. 2, realistically evaluate your team's strengths, weaknesses, and playing style. Game planning is the merger of these two factors.
Coach Belichick also preaches about situational football. On an episode of NFL Films, I recall seeing Belichick during a Pats practice, swinging his whistle and calling out different game situations. He was going through specific situations like 2nd and goal, 15 seconds left in the game ball is on the 7 yard line we're down by 4. In this interview he touches on that.
COACH: Since you began winning Super Bowls, coaches want to know how you do it. The consensus is that you are a marvel at organization, that you tackle each game situation as if it were a research project, dissecting every detail. Would you concur?
BELICHICK: We try to be as prepared as we possibly can. But in the NFL, there are a lot of smart, experienced, and organized people. Ultimately, success comes down to the players' ability to execute at the critical time in the most pressurized situations and games. The more you can practice and rehearse these situations, the better chance you have to execute them when it counts.
The Denver Broncos at this juncture are a question mark as to what exact system they will run. Josh McDaniels has admitted that it will be a mixture of running schemes and will likely be an eclectic gumbo of styles, constantly keeping opposing coaches on their toes. We may see a re-dedication to the run or perhaps a more "spread" offense. MHR Staff member Broncobear also points out in the magic H back post that Peyton Hillis opens up all kind of options for the new staff and reminds us that "versatility is indeed the name of the game". The 2009 Denver Broncos will have nice blend of the greatest minds in football from Gibbs to Weis to Belichick, opposing coaches will have a lot to think about.
1 - The information used in this post was found at http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/New_England_Patriots_strategy . The italics portion from the playcall was quoted verbatim from the website.
2 - Quotes from Belichick were in an article named "Super coach: not only is New England's Bill Belichick the preeminent defensive mind in football; he is the best coach in the game" by Kevin Newell
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HOLY FREAKIN CRAP
I LOVE MHR. That is all
Another Post from a “member” and not the “staff” at MHR. How many blogs can say that their members are as informed as their Staff. WE ROCK.
Okay post time.
Excellent Write up. this kind of answers a few questions I had for a time. It is nice to see that there is a difference but also some striking similarities to my view. Great Read and Rec’d
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 25, 2009 7:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Our members are every bit as solid as the staff.
The only difference is that the staff is in service to the members. We (the staff) see ourselves as servants, not “the higher ups”. Excellent posts like this one proves the point.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 26, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it
I am hoping and praying for one certain system:
“Run whatever destroys your opponent in a given week.”
Aside from Moss’ talent and Brady’s grasp of the offense…what does the Patriot offense have that Denver doesn’t? Okay, besides a valid NFL defense. Answer: Nothing! I believe Denver has the better offensive line, a better group of receivers (Moss may be better than Marshall, but I’d take Royal over Welker any day…and I like Welker!), better running backs, and a QB with MUCH more raw talent (if he can just let bygones be bygones and lead this team).
If the defense becomes average, and McDaniels works his voodoo, I thing we’re all in for a great ride.
~Uffdah
by Disco_Stu on Mar 25, 2009 8:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
WOOOOOOOOOOOOW! Great post! Can't wait until next year. It seems so far away though!
What I want the Broncos to do before the start of next season:
1) Improve the defense drastically.
2) Improve terms with Jay Cutler.
3) Talk Jay into firing Bus Cook as his agent.
4) Sign Torry Holt to a 1 year deal.
Let's go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by broncoholic on Mar 25, 2009 8:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice work Steve-O!
HT should be talking to you about being brought aboard as a Professor at MHR University. Solid, solid analysis.
"The angel is no more than the shark well-governed." -Herman Melville
by jadunn on Mar 25, 2009 9:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
In my book, he already is.
Wonderful post! I have met my match!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 26, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HT
I am willing to wager you have forgotten more about the game than I currently know! While I know I am not your match, it’s an honor to me mentioned in the same company as you!
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
"he (Turner) can get perfomance out of a yugo, but that is no reason not to buy a nicer car"....Broncobear
by Steve O' on Mar 26, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very Well Done, Steve
Congratulations!
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 25, 2009 9:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
congrats to you as well Doc!!
Your behind the scenes mentoring has helped me tremendously! You are a great teacher. Thanks again!
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
"he (Turner) can get perfomance out of a yugo, but that is no reason not to buy a nicer car"....Broncobear
by Steve O' on Mar 26, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post Steve...
little bit of trivia. In the late 70s Perkins and Erhardt were both offensive assistants in NE under Chuck Fairbanks. Perkins left to be OC of the SD Chargers and Erhardt became Hc of the Patriots because they fired Fairbanks when they found out we was negotiating to leave NE to coach CU.
BTW: Belichick was actually a ST coach for the Broncos about the same time.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 25, 2009 9:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
impressive research....good read
"show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser" - coach
by chikndnnr on Mar 25, 2009 10:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post! Urban Meyer question.
I recall seeing somewhere on MHR that Urban Meyer assisted McDaniels and Belichick with a revamping of the offense prior to the 2007 season. At this point, did the offense become more of a spread attack? If I am remembering correctly, how much of the Erhardt-Perkins system remained after the makeover?
Does anyone else recall seeing that?
by ColoradoOwl on Mar 25, 2009 11:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Two points
1. Erhardt-Perkins is both a system and a set of terminology (the two tend to go hand in hand). While NE went to a more open “spread” passing attack, my understanding is that they still retain most of the terminology. I recall a quote from Belichick to the effect that if Fairbanks were to return he would still recognize most of what NE does.
2. The term spread offense get misused by the media all the time. Anytime there are multiple receivers in a shotgun formation the MSM refers to that as a spread offense. Not necessarily so. Passing attacks can be loosely categorized as Gilman, Walsh, and Spread (there’s also a run-n-gun but that’s rarely used in the pros). The Gilman approach is the vertical passing game based on sending a speedy receiver deep to stretch the field vertically. The Walsh attack uses lots of short timing routes to try to stretch the field horizontally. A spread attack attempts to stretch the field vertically and horizontally at the same time.
The spread is a way to attack zone defenses, especially a Tampa 2, by sending receivers to all four corners of the field in an attempt to create and exploit coverage mis-matches. NE has used this approach for a long time in their passing game. What NE did differently in 2007 was to use multiple receiver packages to stretch the opposing defense and then run against them. Essentially they began to use the pass to set up the run.
But an interesting thing happened on the way to their fourth Super Bowl win. Teams like SD and NY disdained the zone defense, lined up in man coverage, and went after the quarterback. NE struggled against a banged up SD team and was largely held in check by the Giants. If you noticed, they ran the ball a lot more this year. I don’t think that was just because Brady went down. I think Belichick and McDaniels realized that there’s no substitute for a good running game.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 26, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions 8 recs
Thanks for the insight SlowWhiteGuy...
you may have noticed I tried to pull your knowledge about football into this post. I was looking forward to reading your comments about these systems and you didn’t disappoint.
Rec’d comment!
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
"he (Turner) can get perfomance out of a yugo, but that is no reason not to buy a nicer car"....Broncobear
by Steve O' on Mar 26, 2009 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is not the [replyer] that counts….The credit belongs to the [original poster] who is actually in the arena…who strives valiantly…who, at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who never [post]
Vince Lombardi quoting Teddy Roosevelt
You deserve the credit for a great topic and a well conceived post.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 26, 2009 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the detail, rec'd
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Mar 25, 2009 11:34 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome Steve O...Rec;d!
Nice job my friend!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Mar 26, 2009 5:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
Steve-0 Your the man, b@dass post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I'd rather be an outstanding Sergeant, than just another Officer."
-Dan Daly
by gunnermc on Mar 26, 2009 7:39 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice work Stevo
This is a huge help and surely required reading for any Broncos fan this offseason.
30 days till draft day!!!
by super7 on Mar 26, 2009 9:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That was wicked-sick Steve-O!
That is my favorite post of the past 2 months hands down…I’d rec’d you twice if I could.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Mar 26, 2009 9:48 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I really love being optimistic...
… but HOLEEEE-COWWW, Batman!
Is there such a thing as Uber-Optimism? If there is…. I haz it!

13-3 16-0 BABY!
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Est. 1967
Bleeding Orange and Blue for 42 years
Newest Resident of La-La-Land! Mike Clark for President!
13-3 BABY!
by Davus.X on Mar 26, 2009 10:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow....
HoosierTeacher, Steve-O, Broncobear….you guys all teach me so more. We have a fantastic wealth of football knowledge right here on the site.
Thanks for the great article!
by studbucket on Mar 26, 2009 10:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for all the kind words guys
a friend of mine who works with Bill Parcells told me that Bill actually credits Bucky Kilroy, the former Pats GM, for providing him with the model he uses in almost all his stops.
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
"he (Turner) can get perfomance out of a yugo, but that is no reason not to buy a nicer car"....Broncobear
by Steve O' on Mar 26, 2009 10:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Steve O
Consider this post your dissertation. You may now call yourself a Professor of the elite MHR University. Congratulations! (…and rec’d, of course)
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 26, 2009 1:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a title I will use with honor!
Thanks for the kind words
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
"he (Turner) can get perfomance out of a yugo, but that is no reason not to buy a nicer car"....Broncobear
by Steve O' on Mar 26, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quite possibly the best blog I've read thus far.
I just happened to stumble upon it when one of our mods at WCG used MHR as an example on how to write an effective blog. It’s very informative and easy to understand; clearly explains how this particular scheme has evolved and thrived over time. I happen to live in Colorado and sporadically follow the Broncos, but remain a loyal Bears fan. Nice job!
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
by propheteer on Mar 26, 2009 4:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellnt, excellent work Steve. Thank you.
You even give valuable ink to “the trenches”.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Mar 26, 2009 4:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Steve--This is an incredible post--my goodness--simply incredible
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
The best defense is a good offense!
by Mike Clark on Mar 26, 2009 4:34 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow. Excellent post. It answers every question I have had about the McDaniels offense. Now, if we could get one on the typr of 3-4 defense they ran, I would be set. In the meantime, somebody make this man a Position Coach!
Speaking of the mod status, could we change “Quality Control” to “Personnel Evaluator?” I think it would fit in better with the coach motif. You wouldn’t see a position in a organization called “Quality Control.” :)
Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark
by papigrande on Mar 26, 2009 4:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Amazing work Steve O'
This is really special. I have a personal rule for my time here at MHR, and it is that I want to always be growing in positive ways. I’ll add you to the list of contributors that have helped me in that endeavor.
Rec’d!
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 26, 2009 5:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Am I on that list?
And is your new avatar Colonel Sanders alone with his thoughts?
Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark
by papigrande on Mar 26, 2009 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be Victor Hugo
and yeah, you are on the list.
Surprised? You taught me HEH and rawr. It is a debt I may never repay.
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 26, 2009 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I mean HEH
Stop the Jay-trade talks!! Just stop it!! -Mike Clark
by papigrande on Mar 26, 2009 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Styg...
I really appreciate that and ditto on the latter!
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
"he (Turner) can get perfomance out of a yugo, but that is no reason not to buy a nicer car"....Broncobear
by Steve O' on Mar 26, 2009 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
buddy, that post is crazy/pimpin/tightee/thank you
you already know.
by justwhytee on Mar 26, 2009 7:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I read the whole thing and liked it
But I have a few questions:
1) I see the differences between the systems but how do you feel the existing personnel fit into the new scheme? Do you drop a really good receiving tight end because the system is better than the players in it? For that matter a pro-bowl QB because the system is that good?
2) Can a new system take a system that ranked 2nd in offense and like 15th in scoring and improve it or will time only tell? What if it drops to say 10th and 20th in scoring? Would that mean the team is doomed?
3) Do you really think they’ll keep Peyton? Is anyone on the last years roster safe? New system with new players across the board, to me that equals a lack of security, a lack of family. All of a sudden this feels like a rebuilding year!!! Maybe years
4) What is your theory about the defense which by all accounts is the reason the Bronco’s didn’t reach the play-offs much less the SB?
Look I really liked your post but it left me half full. You have a lot of answers but you stopped half of the way through any answers that really helped me to have hope for anything more than a maybe a 6-10 season. Which I don’t have a problem with cuz I love watch’in the game but all in all I have to say things couldn’t have been a whole lot worse with Shanny and a new defense and special teams coach and a few great drafts.
by lovewatchinthegame on Mar 26, 2009 10:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You raise some great questions....
1. I think it’s a mistake to see the “system” in static terms. At least in NE they always adapted the system to the personnel they had. When Dillon was still capable they used him like a feature back. When they didn’t have deep threats they used dink and dunk. When they acquired Moss they went to a deep passing game. When Brady went down they adapted to what Cassel could do. Given that history I expect McD to adapt the system to the personnel and he is on record as saying he likes Scheffler in the system.
2. while we can’t be sure what will happen in Denver, every year that McD was in NE they ranked higher in scoring than they ranked in yardage. Ditto for their defense as well. I expect (and McD’s comment reflect) the emphasis will be on cutting down on turnovers and improving Redzone efficiency.
3. I think Hillis will remain, but he needs to improve his blocking, especially pass blocking. We are in a rebuilding mode, especially on defense, but offense as well. Blowing a 3-game lead with 3 games to go and getting blown out by a division rival in a must win game will do that to you.
4. While the defense was atrocious we shouldn’t let the offense off the hook either. There were several games where early turnovers put us in a hole. I think the defense will focus on scoring first – a bend but don’t break, field goals instead of touchdowns approach.
We may be 6-10 next year or we may be 10-6 (except in La-la-land where we’re always 13-3). But in Shany’s la\st three years we were 24-24 and the defense was getting worse. there’s a lot of good reasons to be optimistic about next year despite what the media preaches.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 26, 2009 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your comment brother.
I believe that when all players are brought into “the fold”, then our new HC, schooled in the phylosyphies that were the regiment of his “bringing up”, will then, bring HIS program into fruition, and we will see a year like we haven’t seen for quit some time. Thanx to Steve O, for bringing to our minds, “the background!”
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Mar 26, 2009 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a perfect world
I have have been pouring over the Broncos schedule and unless there are a few miracles, under the existing regime I am hoping for:
1. A split in the division = 3-3
2. Home record (outside division) based on last year= 2-3
3. Road record (outside division) based on last year= 2-3
Which gives the record of 7-9 but I am assuming that this first year HC can take over where it was left off. What if there is problems? Could the Broncos be heading in the direction of the Chargers? From 14-2 to ? Or worse yet… well let’s not go there!!! Could this be a time period where we get back to watching and enjoying the game even if our home team doesn’t win??
by lovewatchinthegame on Mar 26, 2009 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
This was not a catch all! Just take it for what it gives, and do the rest of the research yourself. Then post your findings. You are welcome at MHR, to do all the research that you have time to do, and equally welcome to present your results! I will be excited to see what you come up with!
Sincerely, just annother blogger.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Mar 26, 2009 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm are you a contributor or just an outspoken member of the audience
I have done some research and have offered my opinions, some popular some not I am looking for the same from you. Just click on my handle.
Sincerely ‘lovewatchinthegame’
by lovewatchinthegame on Mar 26, 2009 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lovewatchinthegame
As far as the existing personnel it’s way too early to tell. With a defense as bad as ours was last year there will be plenty of open competitions. I think the roster is going to be molded to fit a new style of play and yes, more guys we recognized will be gone. That isn’t a bad thing though.
The TE – I assume you’re referring to Tony S.? If so, that is rumor mill fodder, don’t put stock in it, one thing I will say is he had better work on his blocking.
The QB – I don’t want to get into the coaches thinking on that one, cuz I can’t.
Can the Broncos offense improve under a new system? Yes, SlowWhiteGuy points out the coach’s success. If the offense production or rankings drop is the team doomed? – No, we wouldn’t be doomed just need to play better defense.
Is anyone on the roster safe – I think the coach is steadfast that he will entertain any option that improves the team, so I would say that anyone is expendable…everyone has a value and if an offer of greater value comes along you take it. Denver hasn’t proven anything over the last few years to feel otherwise.
The coach definitely didn’t preach “a rebuilding year” to his Free Agents so for now I’ll give hime the benefit of the doubt and wait until the draft to see what kind of changes are made. Who knows what dynamic player(s) can be added on a draft day trade or a move up to grab a stud.
As far as the defense. HoosierTeacher convinced me last year that we were weak up the middle. Meaning Defensive Tackle, MLB and Safety. I think all three of these positions will be addressed in the draft and Mike Nolan will have a profound impact.
Like SlowWhiteGuy points out, there is a lot of good reasons to be optimistic.
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
"he (Turner) can get perfomance out of a yugo, but that is no reason not to buy a nicer car"....Broncobear
by Steve O' on Mar 26, 2009 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
still I have questions
Not one of the FA acquisitions gives me confidence that these guys aren’t after a salary and not a ring. I mean, as much as I dislike the guy, not one "Ray Lewis " type player signed with the Broncos!!! Ok Brian Dawkins is good but he reminds me of a beloved safety of the past that did not help the Broncs win a ring…. so now what? A defense that is rebuilding and an offense with huge question marks. Did Bowlen pull the trigger too soon? Let’s talk after week 8
by lovewatchinthegame on Mar 26, 2009 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we had signed a Ray Lewis type talent
that might have been the only free agent we could have afforded to sign. That’s okay if you have a sound defense with only one glaring hole, but in fact we had a lot of holes and McDaniels has done an excellent job of upgrading multiple positions, especially at safety where we went from possibly worst in the league to upper third. As for salary and ring it doesn’t have to be either-or. From the quotes I’ve been reading one of McDaniels’ main selling points that convinced these guys to get on board was that McDaniels isn’t looking to win down the road but rather right now.
And kudos to Steve O’ for an outstanding article. I didn’t know he had it in him. The roster of talented article writers here continues to grow.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Mar 27, 2009 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Live long and prosper Mr. Spock;
but “excellent job of upgrading multiple positions”? After years of watching and loving the game I am not one that will concede THAT kind of praise until after the season is done or at least a few games into the year. Too many factors come into play!!! Will Dawkins fit into the club house? With a whole new regime who knows what that chemistry will be for a year or two? Will he loose an edge without his old teammates? The list goes on. The Broncos are in flux that is for sure!!! In that kind of atmosphere I think the ring/salary issue is relevant!!! To take Philly’s left-overs shows that the Broncos are searching for answers, maybe they get lucky and Brian has a few REALLY good years left in him but do you really think he came to the Broncos to get that ever-elusive ring? (consider which team has a better chance of making the SB based on last season?) Hmmmm I don’t think so and by the way he isn’t playing for free. He has parlayed his fame and rep into a few more years in the NFL with a nice $$$$ to boot so sorry I don’t see this as some kind of OMG Coach Mc D is a genius yet. Oh and by the way what were the other ‘multiple’ positions that got drastically upgraded? I thought Dre Bly did a great job of filling in for a HOF CB that was out for a lot of the season and he had a horrible d-line, yet he was dropped like so much refuse. Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm
by lovewatchinthegame on Mar 27, 2009 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying money isn't a factor
As I said it isn’t either-or. Dawkins would have preferred to stay in Philly but they didn’t seriously consider that he might walk and assumed he’d take whatever they gave him. Denver might not have a better chance than Philly to do well in the playoffs, but I think it’s a key that McDaniels convinced him and the other FA pickups that they had a good chance of doing well. I think you’re selling players short if you think money is all they care about.
As for too many factors coming into play to call the free agent signings “an excellent job”, I agree with your caveats but would like to point out that they also apply to the signing of a single Rey Lewis type player. The outcome would be just as uncertain and would leave most of our needs unaddressed. That player would also expect to be paid, and would command huge bucks to beat out other bidders. Since no one can absolutely predict the future, given your criteria no team can ever be said to have done well in free agency until much later. Yet such evaluations are commonly made at the time. Maybe we should be reading them as meaning that such-and-such team appears to have done well, or to have blown it.
In such evaluations we should consider the strategy a team is pursuing and how successfully they’re pursuing it. Smart teams build through the draft and use free agency to shore up weaknesses. If you try to pick up superstars in free agency you overpay, because you’re participating in bidding wars. You might then have to cut solid contributors elsewhere, as Oakland has previously done, in order to stay under the salary cap. McDaniels got Dawkins relatively cheaply because he’s near the end of his career. Since we’re building through the draft, not free agency, that’s not a problem because by the time he retires a younger player will be ready to step in. In the meantime we get an immediate huge upgrade at an affordable price. Ditto for the other additions. In this way we can get better in the short run while building via the draft in the long run, while keeping costs down and staying under the cap. That’s the strategy McDaniels (and Xanders) appear to be pursuing, and it appears to me they’re doing an excellent job.
With regards to Dre Bly specifically we don’t know what McDaniels’ thinking was. It could be Dre doesn’t fit the kind of defense he plans to run. I’ll bet Hill, for instance, is a much better tackler. It could be Dre has other shortcomings not obvious to us, or a salary that’s not cap-friendly. I’m simply willing, on the basis of what I’ve seen so far, to not second guess him but to assume he had good reasons.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Mar 28, 2009 3:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth
AFter watching the disasters at safety last year, I have trouble conceiving that Dawkins isn’t an upgrade on talent and leadership. How about Hill vs, say, Fox?
Fields is a good DL with potential at NT now that he has matured. consider him vs. Shaw, for example. He knows Nolan’s 3-4 and can play either NT or DE. Goodman vs Bly? Bly was badly misused, but he has slowed and his gambling style needed that speed. Goodman is an upgrade, IMHO, and should pair well with Bailey.
A lot has been made, legitimately, regarding the 3 new RBs. However, each has something that we need. Arrington showed his potential in the 4th quarter of the SB and did well as a receiving RB and a blocker throughout the year. Cutler will appreciate both skills. LaMont Jordan is a quality back and produced well last year. He’s also familiar with the basics of the new system. i reserve an opinion on Buckhalter, but I’m open. The knees scare me.
Andra Davis has already stepped in and begun to mentor one of our finest young men in Wesley Woodyard. Does anyone doubt the leadership skills of Dawkins over, say, Nate Webster? I’m fine being objective and I’m fine with the idea of judging on outcomes, but you also have to address process to get there, and McDaniels has done a good job of starting this ball rolling. I compliment him, and I believe that the upgrades are very clear in terms of both skill and intangibles.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 28, 2009 6:49 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent comment Bear.
I concur with your assesments on the RBs in particular. The knee scares me on Buck, but he is (at the very least) quality depth. I’m excited by the prospect of what Arrington and Jordon will bring. And we still have others.
I’m very excited for the defense this season. I don’t expect us to have the #1 defense, but I expect a solid defense that this fan base hasn’t seen in years. Matched with a superior offense, I see this team besting the AFC West.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 28, 2009 6:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hi, HT
Not only have we raised the talent level on the defense, I’m hoping with the change in regime it’ll play with more cohesiveness this year. It wasn’t just lack of talent that made the defense so bad, it seems to me, but a failure to play well as a unit. They could have ranked around 20th in scoring defense, I think, if the coaching had rewarded sound positional play rather than glory hunting.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Mar 28, 2009 7:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for your input, Bear
I obviously got Hill and Goodman crossed in my head but I’d guess that the latter, too, is a better tackler than Bly. I read the piece on Woodyard and Davis, and was pleased both that Davis is willing to mentor and that Woodyard is willing to listen. They’re both class acts and appear to be bonding, which can only be good for a defense that needs to function better as a unit. I see Fields as someone who’s not going to be a star but who can (hopefully) hold the fort until we acquire/develop a solid nose tackle. No doubt Nolan had considerable input into McDaniels’ decision to sign him. Agree about the backs, albeit I’m not as scared about Buckhalter’s knees. But maybe I should be, given your expertise. Unquestionably we’re better off at safety. We were possibly worse in the league last year. Now we’re rock solid.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Mar 28, 2009 7:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your comments are dead on (in my book).
Just a couple of my own opinions to add:
1. Dawkins is likely to be an impact player for all of the reasons I gave in my story “Brian Dawkins – The Delta Force of Safeties”. In addition to those points, I can now add the many articles in the media about how Philly is going to have to adapt without their star player. Again, what I love about the stories is that the guy is a safety! My favorite postion on the defense, but one that seems almost forgoten unless Dawkins is in the conversation.
2. Bly’s gampbling instincts and ability are extraordinary. In my opinion, Denver fans never had the opportunity to see the man at his best because we lacked several elements (a pass rush, two safeties in zone). Bailey also looked plain in the years Bly was with us. With proper pass rushing and safety support, Bailey and Bly were #1 and #2 in interceptions (respectively) over the past decade. It is my opinion that Bly’s loss isn’t a hit on Bly, but rather a valid move away from a gambling style CB. Bly’s style is no less valid, it just doesn’t fit us now.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 28, 2009 6:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, HT
Like yourself, I was disappointed that we never got to see Bly used in man coverage with a reasonable pass rush and safety help over the past wo years. We wasted a very good (and very expensive) safety. And safeties rule!
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 28, 2009 7:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a shame about Bly
and to a lesser extent Bailey, who will at least get a chance to redeem himself if the pass rush improves (which I’m sure it will). But I’ve been excited for your sake ever since we got Dawkins, knowing how you feel about the safety position and Dawkins in particular. This must have been a sweet post-Christmas present for you, not only getting Dawkins but seeing that McDaniels takes the position seriously enough to make such a huge upgrade (by acquiring Dawkins and Hill). Talk about a turnaround.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Mar 28, 2009 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never would have expected Dawkins in Denver.
Were that it were a few years ago! Still, I’ll be psyched up to see my favorite player playing for my favorite team.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 28, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who Could Get To a Super Bowl First?
like…if i had to either us or the eagles going to the Super Bowl…have you thought about the path to the Super Bowl? Like…the eagles would have to beat the giants and the cowboys and the redskins to win the division…and that just seems way hard..because they would have to go like…maybe 12-4. Now…what about our division…omg…like 8-8…we almost got there last year. And…if we win the division…we get to be the home team at least once…and who knows after that. Like…maybe Jedi’s selling point is…we only gotta be a little better to win the division…and then what? Lot’s better than the eagles i bet
by JaysGirl on Mar 28, 2009 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
a VERY valid point
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 12:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree we would have an easier path...
..as far as divisions go. But once we made the playoffs, I think things would be rougher. I’m of the opinion that the AFC is still the tougher conference right now. We have a better chance of making the playoffs than the Eagles do. But once in the playoffs, the Eagles would face easier teams than we would (in my opinion).
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 29, 2009 4:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Steve
Very informative! I had no clue as to the back ground of education that Josh Mc Daniels was schooled in. Thanx for the update. Well needed, and recieved.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Mar 26, 2009 11:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It's important to remember that....
a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, Darth Belichick first learn of the force from Obi Wan Collier before he turned to the dark side. It is fitting that his offspring, Josh Skywalker, returns to the Jedi to learn to use the force for good not evil. then balance and harmony shall be restored to the universe.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 26, 2009 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
SlowWhiteGuy makes a great point
For editing and content purposes I had to cut it off somewhere so to speak or it would have been a very long post. This coaching tree has many blends and influences and a rich history of football.
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
"he (Turner) can get perfomance out of a yugo, but that is no reason not to buy a nicer car"....Broncobear
by Steve O' on Mar 26, 2009 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good comments all....
I am nothing but enthusiastic and excited for the season and the McDaniels era. We ere a team mired in mediocrity for the last 3 seasons, and I think many were geeting sick of it.
There is a saying: “Better the devil you know” and I think a lot of fans, players and media types are getting caught up in this. Nostalgically, we look back on past years with fondness and wish for those idyllic times.
NEWS FLASH: We have not been a good team since we lost to the Steelers in the AFC Championship.
We have some great things in place:
A great new young coach.
A young QB with major upside that will blow up in the new system.
MAssive upgrades on D.
A new team first philosophy with a foucs on hard working high character guys (SHanny starting taking these steps last season so kudos to him).
An electric that has been upgraded by some smart no risk signings.
We are poised for a great draft. The acquisition of Keith Kidd as a scouting director is a good one that has not been spoken about. The Broncos have been VERY pro active in combine and working out players, and most importantly, our leading veterans like Champ and Dawkins have spoken out about the professionalsim of McDaniels, and the players are working hard with a common goal.
Yeah, I drink the Kool Aid, but we are in a way better place now than we have been in 3 years.
Jay will be our QB and we have the cahnce to surprise this season and then start dominating again in the near future.
I am psyched.
Thanks guys!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Mar 27, 2009 6:40 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent points boydy
but lovewatchinthegame makes a valid point that our schedule next year appears pretty formidable. It was apparent we were weak up the middle last year. I know that I thought Dewayne Robertson and Niko were our saviours. That didn’t exactly work out. It’s awfully early.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Mar 27, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed man....
But to be the best you got to beat the best. Our ypoung guys last year played up to the opposition. Our vets played down to inferior opposaition and most of those guys have gome.
I want a tough schedule…I want b Dawk and Andra and Andre and Champ to show our young team how to play like upstarts and take good teams down.
I want Jay to be able to put teams away.
I am stoked on a hrad schedule.
I am calling it now….we are going to be a nasty and self assured team. The pick up of Dawkins is the catalyst!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Mar 27, 2009 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said Boyd
As always
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 27, 2009 10:17 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks as always Doc!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Mar 27, 2009 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post Steve O'
I’m curious how you feel about some of the comments Coach McDaniels gave in His long interview the other day?
What about the Broncos’ running game?
“I think they did a little bit more zone concepts than maybe we did in New England. That was really their bread and butter. We did more gap schemes in New England, where we’re going to pull a guard. The good thing about Denver is they’ve done those things, and they’ve got really good guards to be able to do that. So you’re going to see … I can’t give that up. That’s kind of my baby. But you’re going to see both. Rick Dennison and Bobby Turner are both still there from last year, so our playbook looks pretty nice in terms of what we’ll be able to do in the running game because we’ve carried over plenty of what they do and what they’ve done, and we’ve added what we’ve done in New England, and we’re going to do whatever we can to win.”
What is your offensive line philosophy?
“We’ve always had a little bit bigger line in New England. The biggest thing to me in terms of size is can they anchor? Can they anchor the pocket without getting pushed into the quarterback? Historically we’ve been more of a pocket passing team, so that is always the question when we look at linemen is, do they anchor well or not? If they’re going to get pushed into the quarterback seven yards behind the line of scrimmage, that’s a little different. But the guys we have, Wiegmann, Hamilton, even though they’re a little lighter, they play with great leverage, and that’s the big thing for me. We can play with those guys, and they’re going to play well.”
Steve O’, What direction do you really see Coach McDaniels going? I for one love a pulling Guard scheme but it sounds as if He may go away from the Zone blocking all together. What’s your thought on this?
Tactics without Strategy is the noise you hear before Defeat!
by monodono on Mar 28, 2009 3:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
monodono - love the avatar pic....classic
As far as your questions….I don’t think that he will go too far from the zone blocking scheme but it will have wrinkles. With that said, once McDaniels is completely confident in his passing attack he likes to spread them out. His formations are likely to be match up driven and he will probably change his gameplans according to his opponent. Having the versatility with athletic guards and tackles who can pull and get out and run and yet as McD’ mentioned still get great leverage at the point of attack is a really good thing. With Clady and Co’ they can do whatever you ask really.
I think what is going to be the most important intitial question for McD’ is can the RB block. In a spread offense can that lone back pass protect? Once that is determined he probably has a certain skill set he is looking for. I wish I knew more but it is a mystery.
Slow is smooth and smooth is fast
by Steve O' on Mar 28, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the signing of J.J. Arrington even more now,
I think He will be just fine in the pass blocking dept. and Catching the ball from the back field.
Thanks again for the post, and as far as the avatar, Man you gotta love that smile! :-)
Tactics without Strategy is the noise you hear before Defeat!
by monodono on Mar 29, 2009 1:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"but it sounds as if he may go away from the zone blocking all together"
Why would you think that? That’s not what he said and it also flies in the face of his retention of Dennison and Turner. What he said in the material you quoted is that it’s going to be a mixture of the two: “But you’re going to see both. Rick Dennison and Bobby Turner are both still there from last year, so our playbook looks pretty nice in terms of what we’ll be able to do in the running game because we’ve carried over plenty of what they do and what they’ve done, and we’ve added what we’ve done in New England, and we’re going to do whatever we can to win." I don’t see how you can get "go away from the zone blocking all together” from that. Clearly, he’s going to run more zone blocking than he did in New England, but not quite as much as Shanahan did.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Mar 28, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
“That was really their bread and butter. We did more gap schemes in New England, where we’re going to pull a guard. The good thing about Denver is they’ve done those things, and they’ve got really good guards to be able to do that. So you’re going to see … I can’t give that up. That’s kind of my baby.”
Just sounds like He will move away from the zone, but I did’nt mean to say completely away from it. Personally I hope it morphs into something no one has ever seen, maybe a zone block with a pulling Guard, or maybe He loads one side with two Guards and zone blocks. I truely can’t wait to see what comes of this! Thanks for the response spock.
Tactics without Strategy is the noise you hear before Defeat!
by monodono on Mar 29, 2009 1:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem, but I think you're a little bit confused
and are overinterpreting. Rather than moving away from zone-blocking but not completely I read it as moving away from gap blocking but not completely. “I can’t give that up. That’s kind of my baby” is wistful, as in, I don’t want to give it up completely even though I realize what Denver’s been doing is awfully good. It sounds to me like he’s going to supplement the Denver system with elements of his own, not vice versa. I think Steve O’ has it right when he says, “I don’t think that he will go too far from the zone blocking scheme but it will have wrinkles.” The one weakness of the zone-blocking, one-cut system is in short yardage situations, and with some of the larger linemen we’ve gotten recently I can see us scheming more to drive the defense off the ball in those instances. I think Clady in particular can be effective in either blocking scheme. But a zone block with a pulling guard is a contradiction in terms, like a square circle. In a sense it’s the whole line that pulls. In the traditional sweep the guard pulls and leads the back and the rest of the line tries to seal off pursuit. The idea is to get outside the defense and up the sideline. But in the zone-blocking stretch play the line moves as a unit and the back looks for cutback lanes rather than trying to get “around the corner”. At least that’s my understanding until someone more knowledgeable corrects me. I don’t think McDaniels is talking about morphing the two into a hybrid system of blocking in individual plays, but rather is talking about a shift in the proportion of plays run with one blocking scheme or the other. I think hoosierteacher made the point the other day that even the Denver zone blocking system isn’t zone blocking on every play but has some plays in which gap blocking is used.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
by spock on Mar 29, 2009 4:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's another way to think about it....
zone blocking punishes a defense for over-pursuit, exposing it to cutbacks. The natural response is for a defense to pursue less aggressively and try to maintain backside control. Once a defense does that they then expose themselves to the more traditional type of outside running, sweeps and pitches involving pulling linemen.
also, in their attempt to maintain consistent gap discipline a defense may expose itself to counters and traps. By including all these tools in the playbook, while still maintaining a the zone-blocking foundation, the team puts opposing defenses in a conundrum. They cannot ignore the ZB/1-cut scheme that Denver has used so successfully, but now they have other problems to be concerned about as well.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 29, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you just gave me shivers
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 29, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Guy's
This could really be the next Gen…..
Tactics without Strategy is the noise you hear before Defeat!
by monodono on Mar 30, 2009 3:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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