Denver's Running Offense in 2009
Buried in the phenomenal Horse Tracks pu pu platter put together by NYC today was this gem from the first item in Horse Tracks:
Never mind the new set of running backs (Buckhalter, J.J. Arrington and LaMont Jordan) the Broncos acquired through free agency. Perhaps the most significant change to the Broncos' offense this year will be the diminished role of the zone-blocking scheme that had been a Denver staple since the Mike Shanahan era began in 1995.
"That was really their bread-and-butter," McDaniels said. "We did more gap schemes in New England, where we're going to pull a guard. I can't give that up. That's kind of my baby. But you're going to see both."
We've had multiple conversations and posts in the past few months about what we should expect in 2009 and beyond, but this small quote is a BIG ONE considering what it means to the offensive look we've become accustomed to.
Now, I know what the Zone Blocking system is and what kind of players it uses, but although I have a general idea of what the "Gap Scheme" is, I don't have an in depth level of understanding of what it is, what kind of players it likes best, and what it means for the Denver Broncos, so......um.....
Hoosierteacher......can you help us out? Pleeeeease? Anyone?
Thanks in advance, everyone...
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Hey Super 7....
From just the little I saw, from Jedi’s interview, it requires our guards and tackles to be VERY athletic, using pulls, for example, to create gaps for our running backs. Alot of lateral movement to move the d line creating gaps that way.
This, I think, will require our RB’s to have some patience and elusiveness, instead of being only one cut guys.
I too, would love to have HT come and give us the inside scoop.
HELP HT!
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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Mar 25, 2009 1:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Suggested removal for referring to McD-bag as Jedi.
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by kwool79 on Mar 25, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pot, met kettle
Kettle, this is pot
by AllBroncsallday on Mar 25, 2009 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Go Broncos!
13-3 baby (with Jay, the Spleen, or whomever the Jedi has foreseen)!
by Royal With Cheese on Mar 25, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Patriot-style offense is one reason that I'm really excited about the impact Hillis could have.
Patriots run a lot of singleback formations and that is the exact formation that Hillis was so successful running out of last season. Second, they like to take the back and have him go in motion to line up as a WR. Shanahan himself said he may have had the best hands on the team last year. Also, I believe the Pats are fairly fond of screens (WR & RB) and I think that Hillis could be nasty on a screen as a receiver or blocker.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Mar 25, 2009 1:31 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....Hillis will kill it in this sytem!
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by boydy2669 on Mar 25, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The short version...
Gap blocking assigns each blocker to block a specific gap; sort of the converse of a 1-gap defense. Zone blocking requires groups of blockers to team together to block a certain zone.
What McD is refering to, pulling guards, has more to do with how outside runs are blocked. In a standard sweep the guards (usually) pull to the outside to lead the sweep. In a ZB scheme you typically substitute the stretch play for the sweep and the entire line moves laterally, shoulder to shoulder and square to the line.
A combination of the two could be very potent. The stretch play and the wide play both naturally set up the defense for a counter. Also, the 2-gap defense, which is a natural defense against ZB, is more vulnerable to traps and counters.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 25, 2009 1:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks SWG....
I remember a play that carolina ran against us where there gurad pulled and found that HUGE gap for Deangelo that Barrett over pursued on. That would be example of gap, correct?
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by boydy2669 on Mar 25, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an example of a sweep play where a guard pulled.
It could have been a regular run block scheme or a zone block, but was more likely being run as a regular (or gap) scheme.
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 25, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks coach!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Mar 25, 2009 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey all.
SWG is right.
Another way of putting it is that the “gap” approach is the common approach to run blocking. I sometimes call it “regular man blocking” to differentiate it from the zone block, but gap blocking is the more common (and proper) term.
Another thing to consider: Zone blocking teams don’t zone block on every run play. While Coach McD is making the statement that he’ll be splitting the types of run blocking, I wouldn’t be surprised by that. I still expect us primarily be a ZB team. The key statement is “you’re going to see both”. You see both with any zone block team.
Remember the two keys (ok, now three):
1. We kept our RBs coach,
2. We kept our OL coach,
3. We’re “going to do both” (which is what we’ve always done).
Great post, great comment by SWG, and good discussion to all!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 25, 2009 2:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That helps
You yould think that most teams do both, the bix just differs based on personnel and coaching style.
That makes a ton of sense and I am looking forward to seeing more pull-type plays because our O-linemen are all very athletic.
Now, we need to draft a center because Wiegmann isn’t going to pull the sme weight he did for too much longer!
by super7 on Mar 25, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that I saw several plays each game where our guards were pulling
Was that a gap blocking approach, or is it different here?
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 25, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think in some cases it IS gap blocking, I'm just assuming we'll see more of it.
by super7 on Mar 25, 2009 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 25, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps this will help.
I’m very much over-simplifying, but this might help.
There are two major type of run blocking schemes. One is the common approach (gap scheme) and one is the zone block approach.
Gap teams use “gap” type blocking for almost every (if not literaly every) play. Zone block teams use zone blocks, in addition to the traditional plays of a gap team.
When we (or Carolina from an earlier comment) pull a guard, the play is almost certainly a regular “gap type” play. This is because a pulled guard is likely going to be late getting to the party when the blocks are mostly downfield. However, while the play is in all probability a common block play, it might be employed by a team that runs either scheme.
Pulling a guard is a fun play, effective, but also pretty common. We see it in Denver all of the time, but slightly less than when other teams runs it.
But bottom line, the answer to your question is that it was almost certainly a common block (or man block, or gap scheme, depending on where you’re from) play.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Mar 25, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 and Rec'd
Peyton Hillis in '09.
Name him---Mr. Balls....or Thunderpussy.
by Joe Medina on Mar 25, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should have the O-linemen to fit the scheme right?
Didn’t Shanny always prefer the more athletic O-linemen for the ZB scheme? Definitely smaller but at the same time quicker than most. I’m all for bigger stronger linemen but I don’t want to sacrifice the speed. Plus, Shanny was always able to pick up guys a lot later in the draft simply because they fit our scheme and very few others.
Do not trade Jay Cutler!!!
by orangeblood on Mar 26, 2009 6:23 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not really an issue of speed...
though speed is always nice. It’s really more an issue of balance, footwork, and leverage. The reason the Broncos coaches fell in love with Ryan Clady is that he has such amazing footwork and balance, “Sweet Feet.”
Those are also the same qualities that make great pulling lineman.
To over-simplify the difference – in gap blocking the blockers fire off the ball and try to drive the defenders back off the ball and away from the hole. Size and strength matter, though technique and leverage will still trump these.
In zone blocking the blockers move laterally, maintain contact, and look to twist, hook, or cut the defenders. Mobility, balance and footwork matter, but again, great technique can overcome some athleticism.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 26, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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