Incumbent Breakdown- Pre Draft Part 2
So here is the rest of the piece I misplaced somehow yesterday!
First off, all of my players are as of March 26th so things may change. The list I used can be found Here. There are many types of players, I will using three designations as well as stars for each player. Break down as follows:
- Feature- More than likely a starter, someone who has many skills for their position and brings more than just one ability to the table. They have the intangibles for their position and bring that little extra.
- Back Up- While this person may have more than one ability they are not considered starter quality and lack certain things such as a skill set or intangible.
- Depth- These players could also be called Camp fodder. they may have one skill set that is desired but they are more than likely a change up guy or someone who is on the roster specifically for injury issues or depth.
Stars are within their role a 4 star back up is not better than a 3 star starter because the starter has a different role than a back up.
5 Star- Excellent, whatever role this player is in, he excels in it and makes the most of his playing time.
4 Star- Above Average, occasionally this player has lapses but on the whole a quality player in his role
3 Star- Average, this player is interchangeable for any other player in his role
2 Star- Below Average, this player tends to be a filler and emergency player.
1 Star- Camp fodder, here to hold a spot until someone can fill it.
Tight End:
Adam Bergen- Depth 2 Star
Haven’t seen him play cant find game film. Don’t know what to say other than that.
Daniel Graham- Feature 4 Star
Daniel Graham is one of the most under-rated players in the NFL. His blocking abilities mak him appear like a third tackle on the field at times. He has been under- rated as apass threat because of how little he has beenused in that respect with Tony Scheffler lining up opposite him. Daniel will improve any player on the roster with his knowledge of the position he plays.
Tony Scheffler- Feature 3 Star
At this point Tony is interchangeable with other starting tight ends as far as receiving. His blocking ability continually gets better as he spends moretime with Graham and the coaches. The biggest knock on Scheff is that he cant put 16 games together. This could be an issue in the future but for now I think Tony lives out his contract.
Jeb Putzier Back Up 3 Star
Jeb is basically a clone of Tony Scheffler but a little less speed. He has blocking but is better in the passing game. Expendable and the reason he only signed a one year contract.
Wide Receiver:
Matt Willis- Depth 3 Star
Haven’t seen Matt play and his college film leave a lot to be desired. Another Draft day Casualty.
Jayson Foster- Depth 2 Star
The biggest knock on Jayson Foster is that Frodo Baggins is taller than he is. 5’7" is hard to pull in the NFL unless you are a return guy, Cornerback or Running Back. We will see if he makes it out of training camp.
Jabar Gaffney- Back Up 4 Star
Who on this team knows the offensive tendencies better than Jabar? I think he will make a great 4th receiver and will give our guys a lot to learn from. I like the signing for the work ethic and what he brings to a team as far as versatility.
Chad Jackson- Back Up 3 Star
Chad looks good sometimes. Chad looks bad sometimes. Chad needs to learn to develop his game as the actual game goes on. He is good for 5 or six plays but after that he has problems separating from coverage.
Eddie Royal- Feature 3 Star
Eddie was great last year as a #2 guy. I think he is best suited for the slot but right now I like the way it pans out with Eddie, Brandon, Brandon and Jabar. Royal enters season #2 with people looking to game plan him a bit.
Brandon Marshall- Feature 4 Star
Aside from drops and fumbles Brandon is becoming a legitimate threat that requires a double team. His problem is girls. As the Fresh Prince said "girls of the world aint nothing but trouble." On the field Brandon needs to learn to read the defense a bit faster and respond quicker. Off the field listen to the Prince "So next time a girl gives you the play, just remember my rhymes and get the hell away."
Brandon Stokely- Feature 5 Star
A truly special player. Brandon is nearing the end of his career but is still a big play guy. Peyton counted on him when it came to third down and now Jay does that too. Brandon plays the slot better than a CD player plays a brand new CD. His experience and work ethic should rub off on the young guys and make them better.
Special Teams:
Matt Prater (Kicker) Back Up 5 Star
I like Prater but he needs to keep his head in the game. Outstanding leg, but his aim is what kills me. I don’t think he will be replaced but as of right now he does not scream feature.
Lonnie Paxton (Long Snapper) Feature 5 Star
That being said, I would have given Leach the same ranking. This guy however has guts. Snapping into the goal post for a safety, even if it was what you were supposed to do, is ballsy.
Brett Kern (Punter) Feature 3 Star
Currently I think he is interchangeable. He is good but we can get the same around the league. Like his potential excited to NOT use him this season.
Sorry this had to take two posts guys maybe I will edit this later on after the draft and turn it into one post! Now get to the talking:
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dude...something went very...very wrong with your post! :)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Yeah Scheffler and Cutler are still on it
didnt we trade them? ha ha
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
interesting....
Royal only 3 stars? BMarsh with two 100 catch seasons a 4star? :) Man, I’m glad I didn’t have you grading my papers in school!!! heheh I think you are right though….too many ?’s to grade at 5 stars.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Royal is great dont get me wrong
but he is still learning. Plus he is a feature five start which makes him equal in my book to #1 and #2 receivers throughout the NFL
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
You shouldn't downgrade him simply because he's still learning
Grade him on what he accomplished. 91 catches is at least 4 stars whether you’re a rookie or a vet. Great piece, though.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
I didnt down grade him
I was trying to be realistic. how many teams would trade say a 2nd rounder for Royal. Not many but he is comparable to a #2 or #1 on another team actually on all 32 teams he would be a starter but I don’t think he is ELITE
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 6:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I disagree on one point. I think that the tallent, minus the experience = the PLAYER that will pan out 4 the D Broncos.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Mar 27, 2009 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I feel like you're too hard on our offensive players
or too soft on our defense.
"Battle not with stupid, lest ye become stupid, and if you gaze into the Internet, the Internet gazes also into you" -R. K. Milholland
I tried to be as even as I could
in this respect it was easy to see the players on offense because they had plenty of opportunity and were used right. On Defense It becomes hard to give a fair grade to someone who is playing outside his skill set. Case in point is Jack Williams playing Zone which take a while to learn while he is a man CB. Do I grade him an F because he couldn’t play Zone all year?
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 7:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I wonder if their is a word limit??
I wonder if your post got damaged the first time because of length? Short posts are overrided, perhaps longer posts are too….
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 27, 2009 12:37 PM MDT reply actions
Hmm maybe
I was so sure I got 75 words in there and then I was out a whole 3 positions!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
More awesome research...
I’m curious though why Royal wasn’t ranked higher. He was the best rookie WR last year and unless I’m mistaken was one of the top ten rookie WRs of all time. I expect McD and McCoy to find all sorts of creative ways to get Eddie in coverage mismatches. He is like Wes Welker on steroids.
Also, I think more highly of Kern than you do. He had the 5th best average in the league and showed the ability to make tackles when needed as well. In addition he was able to down almost a third of his punts inside the 20 (13/46) and was 50% on downing punts inside the 10. He may not be Shane Lechler or Mike Scifres but he’s a heck of a lot better than most.
Agree on Kern...
But I agree with JT on Royal. He has one good season under the belt. Bt seasons end we will all see him as 5 star, and I have the same hope for Jay and Sheff too!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Kern
I like Kern too…Not sold yet on Prater. I see the potential though…
"I'd rather be an outstanding Sergeant, than just another Officer."
-Dan Daly
See the difference between the two
a three star feature player means that he is at the level of the average starter in the NFL. Would you put Kern in league with Andy Lee or Shane Lechler?
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I would say
Lechler is 5-star by your definition. But I certainly think Kern is
4 Star- Above Average, occasionally this player has lapses but on the whole a quality player in his role
His statistics certainly indicate so.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 27, 2009 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Off-topic (for SWG)
SWG, could you send me an email at the address found on my profile page. I wanted to ask you something but you have no contact info here on MHR. Thanks!
and just so you know
thye email addresses on profile pages are not crawled or slurped or botted or any of that. Putting your email in your profile is a safe, spam-free way of staying in touch with eachother.
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 27, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
yabut,
We eagerly gave Clady a five star after one year. I would give royal a four star.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
I gave Clady five stars based on total performance
Royal had a game he was nicked up a few key plays that could have been better. To break it down Clady is in the ELITE circle of Tackles, Royal is a starter on ANY team. if Royal complies like numbers this year and improves in some areas he could be a 4 star guy. I just couldn’t justify ranking Royal higher because there are more receivers that are better than Royal than Tackles who are better than Clady!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I give Clady 5 stars
Beacuse you didn’t let me give him 6.The more film I watch the more clown away I get. Damn he’s good. By the way, I’d rate Royal a little higher – maybe a lot higher, but at least a little. Nice body of work, though, and I rec’d it for you.
Hillis in '09
Yea, where's the cheese?!
The TD/2pt double grab week 2 was worth at least 4 stars right there! First the double coverage TD catch (that’s the Royál*), then the 2pt conv also into double coverage to win the game (that’s the Cheese)!!!
Seriously though
Jon, great job again on this. Much appreciation.
*note accent
Go Broncos!
13-3 baby (with Jay, the Spleen, or whomever the Jedi has foreseen)!
by Royal With Cheese on Mar 27, 2009 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm with you bear...
Clady may become a legendary LT. His footwork, balance, and hands are amazing for a veteran, let alone a rookie. That pick alone would have made the 2008 draft a success.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 27, 2009 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I tried to take off my
Blue and Orange Spectacles as best I could. It was hard and in the end I think Royal will be a top flight receiver!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Jay coudl end five
but Scheff has to give me sixteen games this year to make five 10 games with consistency will net him 4
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Well
I think I ranked Royal fairly high. It wasn’t just 3/5 stars but 3/5 Feature stars so I guess he would be a 12/15 if you do the math. Cant make the guy a 15/15 until guys start calling for HIM in trade!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I love Prater's leg!
Now if he could just get both eyeballs to focus on the uprights. Kid needs to work on that aim… and binocular vision usually helps :P
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I think he will improve..
his kicking game seemed to follow the same arc as the rest of the team. Strong at first and less and less confident as the season went on. I think a cohesive team unit will go a long way to helping him on his concentration and accuracy. As as kicker, for that moment you are doing your thing, you are the entire embodiment of the team. The more focused a unit the team is, the better he will perform.
excellent point
he isn’t the captain, just a valuable oarsman.
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 27, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions
More great work Jon, thanks.
I’m not too sure about some of those positions though. If they doin’t say Guard, Center, Tackle or End I’m not too sure what they do on the field. Our success this year, like every previous year, will be defined by our play in the trenches..Thanks again Jon.
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Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
If you want to know
you can ask or follow the link. I am more than happy to supply the information
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I was just pulling your chain
due to my affinity for linemen on both sides of the ball. They are the true heroes on Sunday.
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Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
Oh I agree
as HT said the battle begins in the trenches!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Is there anymore info on this?
Lonnie Paxton (Long Snapper) Feature 5 Star
That being said, I would have given Leach the same ranking. This guy however has guts. Snapping into the goal post for a safety, even if it was what you were supposed to do, is ballsy.
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by YellowStoneBronco on Mar 27, 2009 3:25 PM MDT reply actions
on Lonnie Paxton or the safety snap?
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd like to see that safety snap if there's video
I remember that, (2003?) great call by Belichick. Heartbreaker.
Go Broncos!
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by Royal With Cheese on Mar 27, 2009 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I will look
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I wondered if anyone had video..
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by YellowStoneBronco on Mar 28, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Here it is
The snap is at 1:40 watch it
here
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 28, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
That snap was incredible, too bad it was done against us :(
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Mar 28, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
like I said
I know it was the call but paxton did it well and that play takes balls to pull off
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 28, 2009 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks, Jon
Go Broncos!
13-3 baby (with Jay, the Spleen, or whomever the Jedi has foreseen)!
by Royal With Cheese on Mar 30, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Jon,
Nice job yet again. Thanks for putting all of the time in to bring us current. I think this post belongs up top with the other one so here is your 5th rec! Keep up the good work!
"I am not trying to start anything I am just saying that i think if you take Knowshon and draft D later you guys will be hella good next year" ...IamtheGreatest - The smartest Chiefs fan I ever had the priviledge of reading!
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Steve O
thanks bro, your contributions are also loved by many!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
JON
How do you bounce around the post’s so fast and have time to throw out fanposts?!?!?! do you have like five monitors?!??! Everytime I get to a what I think is a new post you beat me and write something…Than I go back to where I was before and you’ve posted there too…haha
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-Dan Daly
Alaska time ha ha
its great! I write all my articles while you lower 48 guys are sleeping ha ha. plus no news breaks at that time so I don’t get blown out. As for bouncing around, MHR is the ONLY place for Broncos news that is legitimate so I have a refresh on teh main page every 5 min and try and hit as many posts and comments as i can in tabs (the most amazing invention mozilla ever created)
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Well
I’m sharp on your heels J@ckass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jk man I was just wondering how you were one step ahead all the time…
"I'd rather be an outstanding Sergeant, than just another Officer."
-Dan Daly
Sappers
are always one step ahead of the green berets bro let alone your beloved Corps!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
JON
I GOT MY EYE ON YOU
"I'd rather be an outstanding Sergeant, than just another Officer."
-Dan Daly
good
cause i might take the other ha ha
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions
What! Who the heck R U Jon T?
Did you post this….. just a minute…………..OK you posted this ok Can you support anything that you have ever said since the world began? Just curious!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Mar 27, 2009 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Of course I can
I stand by the fact that I have perfect memory and the ability to call up a situation with ease! ha ha
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions
now you R killin me man!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Mar 27, 2009 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions
HEY!
I hope you can take a joke.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Mar 27, 2009 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions
No I HATE YOU ALL
wah wah wah wah wah trade me!
oops maybe that crossed a line….
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 7:05 PM MDT up reply actions
JT....thats why we get on...I am a sarcastic SOB and this comment made me laugh...sorry if my laughter offeneded anyone!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
well that and we both root USC
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Got to love those trojans man.....hey, I would be OK getting Maivia in the 5th...hes an under rated LB
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
he'd kill it on STs
I would like to draft him just to see him kill some poor fool return man. Does Johnnie lee higgins return punts?
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 27, 2009 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Back to Royal
If three stars is an average starter is 91 catches actually average for wide receivers?? It’s amazing for a rookie but it’s pretty damned good for a veteran, too. Maybe in trying to be reasonable you just had a hard time acknowledging: yes, he really was that good. Don’t mean to obsess on this. It’s just the one head-scratcher in an excellent article.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
plus
Is Eddie a slot guy like Wes? If he is than whats going to happen? He has the same hands, he has quicker feet, he might not have the work ethic but he’s well on his way. Eddie has the chance to take more of those passes the distance…Experience comes with age, work ethic is written all over Eddies face, so is slot…
"I'd rather be an outstanding Sergeant, than just another Officer."
-Dan Daly
Hey, he's a rookie!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Mar 27, 2009 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I see all the points
my stance was just that Eddie has a lot to learn to make it to the next level. I agree he is on the brink but would you rate Eddie Royal 14/15? I mean there are three categories and then rankings within the categories. So I like 13/15 I thought that that was a pretty fair number. I never questioned his work ethic just what there still is to accomplish.
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions
THE ONLY THING THAT I AM SURE ABOUT...
is nothing at all! I do know that after the HC change, I have taken a wait and see aproach.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Mar 27, 2009 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions
well
I hope you are sure about your gender. that one can be life altering!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure but I think I'LL JUST DOUBLE CHECK. yup! i'm right again! LOL
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Mar 28, 2009 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions
the reasons i like eddie can be summed up in one play
during the jets game (seen here at about 53 seconds in). the pass is a little overthrown, but the little guy goes up and gets it. he keeps both feet in-bounds for the catch and maintains balance along the sideline as he takes it upfield. it would have still been great if he had been pushed out and it ended there, but then he kicks in the breakaway speed. the best part is the conslusion, when after he has beaten everyone, instead of high-steppin his way to the endzone, he covers the ball with his other hand and lowers his head as he crosses the goal.
AND
he was playing hurt!!! He didn’t even have topspeed, but he pushed it just to the point where the DB would give up, and like you said, covered up at the end in case the DB or someone he didn’t notice was trying to be a hero.
EDDIEEE!
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 28, 2009 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Plus
I heard eddie can fly!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 28, 2009 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions
ha ha ha
ok ok Eddie gets 8 stars
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Great points!
I looked up some numbers: Royal ranked 22/64 starting WRs in yardage (980yds) and 6th in catches (91). Also he was tied with Stokely for 10.8 yards per catch.
That certainly is
“Above Average, occasionally this player has lapses but on the whole a quality player in his role”
in my book
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 27, 2009 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey, he's a rookie!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Mar 27, 2009 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions
alright
So is Eddie going to play the Wes role? Or the 2nd receiver role? Dont get me wrong, I’m all about Stokes hands…
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-Dan Daly
no one knows anything at this point! Why? Josh Mc D!
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by metalman5050 on Mar 27, 2009 6:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I would agree
Damn, I am getting Killed over my favorite Rookie!
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Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions
We need to stay calm, Jon was just hiding Royal's talent to keep McD from trading him!
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Mar 27, 2009 7:12 PM MDT up reply actions
WOW
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by metalman5050 on Mar 27, 2009 7:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't get your shortz in a tizy here! Itz just the home office doing what they do best!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Mar 27, 2009 7:12 PM MDT up reply actions
ha ha No I am good
but I mean Eddie was relatively unknown coming in its hard to game plan for a guy with less than a season of film. Now they have a season of film on him they are going to know some of his tendencies. it is now his job to get in the film room figure the tendencies out as well and do something. I think Eddie has the chance to be one of the biggest threats in the NFL but it all comes down to Season two. Just like Marshall this year. when you are game planned for and people give you the double team and you respond THAT is when you become 4/5 star guys. after one season being a feature 3 star to me is a damn good thing.
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Exactly
Eddie’s play as a rookie makes him potentially elite (i.e. 5 stars) but 91 catches makes him above average already. That’s why he was such a big story. He wasn’t just good “for a rookie”. Rather, even as a rookie he was already an above-average receiver.
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Yeah, but can he long snap?
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Mar 27, 2009 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions
That is the "point well taken."
I want all MHR fans to listen to what “Spock” just said! Read it and understand, and I will thank you very much as you enjoy the production from Edie R this year.
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by metalman5050 on Mar 27, 2009 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Jon says he loves Eddie and I believe him
I wonder if the rating system itself makes a 4 rating look more extreme than it is. After all, 14 out of 15, which is how he keeps characterizing it, looks almost like a half-step from Hall of Fame. But that’s because so many levels have been added at the lower end. Five full levels of camp fodder is conceivably four too many, and five levels for backups might be three too many. If a feature 3 rating really is an average starter and a 2 below average, what’s a 1 other than a backup (except maybe on Detroit)? And if a feature 4 really is only an above-average starter do we really want to say that a guy with 91 catches, rookie or not, isn’t but is only average?
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Good points
the reason I have two different systems of rating is to point that some time a back up may not start but is a definite Role player. Example, Buckhalter ranks a 5 star back up to me but would only be a 2 star feature.
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I can concede that point. I want to see him being game planned against. When you know Eddie is a threat and he will be target two if Brandon is doubled what do you do then and more importantly what does Eddie do then? It could change and you may even yet convince me to give him the fourth star before the season starts
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll work on it ;)
I think he’s already as good as Marshall and will soon be better, and I certainly think that last year he was more than merely average, that his numbers were more than merely average. In fact, I think he would have caught more balls than Marshall if he’d been targeted as much. He did catch a higher percentage – 71 percent – of the balls that were thrown his way. I think
(but am not sure) Brandon was under 60 percent.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
I think DC's must already be worrying about how to plan around Denver's offense next season....
Imagine have to plan for NE’s offense but with the weapons Denver has: Marshall and Royal are probably comparable to Moss + Welker then you add in Stokely and Scheffler plus Graham. And gaffney is a huge addition because he knows the system. He shold be a bigger contributor than D Jackson last year.
Denver’s running game will still be there, but with more weapons out of the backfield. If Hillis and Torain prove to be the backs many of us think they are the offense could be lethal.
Now if we can just play mediocre defense.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 28, 2009 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
With a mediocre defense we're a playoff team
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
you'd be like the Cardinals
and you even play in a bad division
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Great Post
This is an excellent review / introduction of the team and what to look for in each player. It has definately helped to broaden my perspective. I’d love to see this same type of thing post-season to see how guys improve (or not). This might be a way to evaluate positions coaches? Thanks for putting in so much work to inform the fans.
Happy to do what I can
the comments are what I really enjoy
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 27, 2009 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions
my one critique
and yes I’m a Raiders fan so I’m not as knowledgeable about the Broncos as you gentlemen are, but how does Stokely get 5 stars when BMarsh only gets 4?
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Stokely is a slot receiver
so he is graded for his strength in that respect. he is not an every down player but he is a 99% first down player. meaning when its third and stokely is in and they throw to him 99% of the time its a first down. Peyton Manning said as much when he left Indy!
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 28, 2009 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
okay thnaks
just had me a little puzzled
V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."
KA1Z3R, does SABP have a similar post?
I am very interested in knowing the talent levels of our AFC West rivals, especially as we get closer to the draft.
BTW, it is refreshing to have a fan from another team here, your questions force us to ground truth our assumptions.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
not realy, but thesep osts make me want to make one like it
Jon, you mind if I snag your formula?
V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."
go for it
i dont get paid and its all free. All I ask is you send me a link when you are done so I can read your guys’
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 28, 2009 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Make that a link of reindeer sausage, I'll take it is Jon won't!!
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Mar 28, 2009 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Hell you say
Ill have my fair share of reindeer sausage!
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 28, 2009 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey, you can't blame a guy for trying. When I see link I get tunnel vision.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Mar 28, 2009 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
cool, but it won't be for a while
like until after training camp starts. That’s when I do my annual Raiders Breakdown post. So you’ll have to wait until then. I’m sure the suspense will kill you all. =D
V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."
i find myself arguing the score eddie royal received,
then as i read more of the comments, i start to think that we should stop bowing to simplicity. we are using keyboards here, not real stars.
acknowledging he doesn’t quite deserve 4, can we at least give eddie 3.74 stars?
I personally
would give him 5 stars because he helped save what i consider a mediocre offense. Looking on us from the outside however and asking other fans from other teams opinions I had to go with three
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions

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