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Why Jay Faded: His Prospects for 2009

Recent analyses of Cutler's 2008 season have been paradoxical, seeming to indicate both that he performed well under pressure and that he choked. On the one hand I recall someone mentioning that his third-down conversion percentage was 45 percent vs the league average of 37, and that he did relatively well in the fourth quarter. On the other hand Denver was one of the top scoring teams after three games but was something like 24th the rest of the way; and Jay's QB ratings for the last three games were 74.3, 72.4 and 74.9, respectively, when one big game might have been enough to get us into the playoffs. Can we resolve this paradox and arrive at a deeper understanding?

Star-divide

I believe a key to this apparent contradiction is the notion that sustained perfection takes a toll. We see it in winning streaks. Game after game the team has to play just intensely enough, just well enough, to add one more win to the string. The strain is cumulative. The 2007 Patriots outscored their opponents 331-127 during the first half of the regular season, 258-147 during the second half. Their average point differential for the two halves was 41.4-15.9 vs 32.3-18.6. The closest they came to losing during the first half was 34-17 against Cleveland, but during the second half they barely beat the Colts 24-20, the Eagles 31-28, the Ravens (a week later) 27-24, and the Giants 38-35. Clearly, they were beginning to struggle. And in the playoffs they beat the Jaguars 31-20 and the banged-up Chargers 21-12 before finally succumbing to the Giants in the Super Bowl.

The 1972 Dolphins don't at first glance follow this pattern, with an average point differential of 24.0-12.4 during the first half of the season and 31.0-12.0 during the second half. They held up so well, I think, because their offensive strength was a dominating running game. Yet even they struggled in the playoffs, winning 20-14 over the Browns, 21-17 over the Steelers and 14-7 over the Redskins in the Super Bowl. The 1985 Bears, in contrast, roared through the playoffs, 21-0, 24-0, 46-10, having picked up one loss (24-38 to the Dolphins) late in the regular season. That loss relieved the pressure and they gradually picked up steam - 17-10, 19-6, 37-17 - before their dominating playoff run.

I think this same notion applies to individual performances, in Jay Cutler's case in two senses. First, because the Broncos started so many drives deep in their own territory he often had to gain more yards and convert more third downs in order to score. More plays, especially in a predominantly passing offense, means more opportunities to lose the ball on downs or make a mistake. Second, and more important, his style and developmental level created a dynamic that wore him down over the course of the season.

Many people have commented that Jay still doesn't go through his progressions very well, that he locks in on one receiver. They also say he makes too many bad decisions. There are at least two senses in which this can be said, and the term "bad decision" doesn't have quite the same meaning in both instances. It's often used when a quarterback attempts a pass because he either doesn't see a defensive player or doesn't realize his potential for making a play. The term "bad decision" implies bad judgment, but in these instances the quarterback simply didn't have time to recognize the danger before he released the ball. The culprit isn't his judgment but the speed of the pass rush, his inexperience, an inherent limitation in how fast he can process information, or some combination of the three. With Cutler the first rarely applied due to excellent protection, and the third hopefully didn't, but the second most likely did.

But it didn't do so obviously, because Cutler has abilities that have tended to mask that deficit. His throws have tremendous velocity and accuracy, particularly when he's throwing on a straight line. That means he can often get the ball in even when the receiver's covered, because the ball's so perfectly thrown and gets there so fast the defender doesn't have time to react. But the other side of the coin is that Jay has to be perfect in order to avoid picks. And having to be perfect play after play, game after game, takes its toll over the course of a season. I suggest that's why Jay faded.

But Jay also made bad decisions in a second and more literal sense. Trusting his velocity and his accuracy, and preferring to risk a bad play in order to make a good one, Jay often tried to fit the ball in even when he knew the receiver was tightly covered, not simply because he didn't see the defender in time. That's a mindset McDaniels will surely want to change, if he can, and is most likely the factor that made him willing to consider Cassel as an alternative.

Jay's yardage total last year was partly misleading. On the one hand it owed much to his ability to pick up third downs and get four more, and was thus a fair measure of his ability. But on the other hand it was an artifact of the sheer number of times the Broncos threw the ball, and of how far they had to go to reach the red zone, and thus misleadingly suggested a breakout when none had occurred. A breakout normally occurs, I believe, when a quarterback's information processing speed makes a more or less discontinuous jump to the level that he maintains for the rest of his career. If Jay hasn't already maxed out (which would be bad news), that's something that will probably occur this year. Once it does he'll be able to go through his progression more rapidly and find the open man, and will be better at sensing danger and "deciding" against throwing to a particular receiver. When that happens he'll have a greater margin for error and won't have to always be perfect in order to complete passes and avoid interceptions. Then, perhaps, his ability to perform under pressure will not be eroded as the season wears on by the necessity of being perfect time after time after time.

But this improvement in his performance will be maximized if he can be persuaded by McDaniels to live to fight another day, to throw passes, especially near his own or the other team's goal line, that only his own receiver, if anybody, can get to, to settle for the sure three, if necessary, rather than insisting on seven or nothing. If his neurological functioning, his ability to process information as the play unfolds, reaches a new level, and if his decision-making matures in this second and more consciously accessible sense, Denver will become the kind of team that makes the most of its scoring opportunities. And Cutler will have become the kind of quarterback, the kind of winner, we all want him to be.

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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Very good analysis spock...

I personally think one of the main reasons for the reduction in performance was do in part to the revolving door at running back. Had either Selvin, Pittman, Torain, or Hillis stayed healthy I think we would have made the playoffs.

13-3 Baby!!

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by Mike Clark on Mar 29, 2009 7:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Absolutely our running game made our passing game PREDICTABLE!

This more than any reason, made Jay’s individual performance drop as the season passed us by.
!

by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 29, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only parially agree...

Statistically, Denver had the 2nd best running attack in the NFL in terms of yards per carry. And while some have said that was due to Denver passing more, that advantage held up in in first quarter of games it held up in games decided by a touchdown or less. Despite the injuries at running back Denver continued to have a very potent running attack all season long. Denver was the best team in terms of not getting stuffed and the 11th best team at power running (3rd and less than 3).

What Denver was atrocious at was continuing to run. More than one third of all Denver’s rushes happened in the 1st quarter of ball games. Cutler may have been the victim of the lack of running but all the statistics indicate that it was a failure to call running plays and had nothing to do with the injuries.

If you look deeper though, the problems went beyond running. Turnovers, particularly early in games put him behind the eightball early on.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 29, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

You may be right....unfortunately

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The best defense is a good offense!

by Mike Clark on Mar 29, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

There was a pattern

I noticed this in several games. Early on Denver moves the ball easily but turns it over, failing to score (or even giving the other team a score). No problem, I think. We’re moving the ball. We’ll get it back. We do keep moving it but not quite as well, and turn it over again or lose it on downs. And gradually, the offense begins to struggle and hope fades. Opportunities lost. Momentum lost. Games lost.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 29, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

SWG...

You are the one who schooled me on the Football Outsiders article “The Establishment Clause” that clearly points out in 2002…

OK, some may argue, it doesn’t really matter if the Texans try to establish the run. If you don’t have a good running back and a good line, there is nothing to establish. So let’s look at the top five teams for running back yards in the first quarter:

1) Denver 537 yards
2) Miami 472 yards
3) San Diego 467 yards
4) Buffalo 462 yards
5) Washington 457 yards

Ladies and gentlemen, the “just missed the playoffs” all-stars! The five teams that gained the most yards on the ground in the first quarter all finished between 7-9 and 9-7, and none made the postseason.

So running early isn’t always a guarantee of success. Sustaining the rushing attack is so important.

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast

by Steve O' on Mar 29, 2009 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

also gotta make sure that there is one guy who brings the cheetos to the game!

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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

San Diego didn't make the playoffs?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Mar 29, 2009 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

ahhh...it's 2002.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Mar 29, 2009 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do the time warp

again.

Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 29, 2009 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

We are NOT going there. ;-)

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Mar 30, 2009 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why not?

After all, it just a jump to the left……….

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Mar 31, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh god sci-fi stuff

I need out of of this sci-fi conversation.

Scotty, beam me out of here.

V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."

by KA1Z3R on Mar 31, 2009 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

NOT sci fi

The Rocky Horror Picture Show is a lot of things. In fact, it is a lot of disturbing things. I wouldn’t call it a science fiction show, at least not at its heart.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 2, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Steve O that's my point...

fans (and the MSM) may point to the lack of a running game, but the fact is that when Denver ran, they ran effectively. The problem is that they didn’t run when they should have. That’s why I say that Bates’ play calling was part of the problem. Denver should have continued to run throughout the game, especially in the 4th quarter. But by the 4th quarter they had pretty much abandoned they run, even by the 3rd quarter in many games. And it wasn’t just because they were behind. I checked the drive logs for every game. Even in games the Broncos were ahead in, like the 2nd KC game, they had abandoned they run.

Not only was Jeremy Bates failing to improve Jay’s decision making on the field; his play calling wasn’t doing Cutler any favors either.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 30, 2009 7:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

agreed

One thing too is stats can be misleading. 3rd 17 backed up Shanny would often call a draw play that picked upt 15 yards but we still had to punt. Helps the rushing stats but doesn’t really tell the whole story.

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast

by Steve O' on Mar 30, 2009 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

First off Great post spock!

I also want to say thank you SWG for your input, not many people go back and look at The Game Books after the game to see what happened, and there is no statistic that show’s how many 3&OUT’s a TEAM has you have to actually go back and look for them. You’ve pointed out exactly what I’ve been saying for the last few years, to many times The Broncos abandoned the running game and became one demensional. TIME OF POSSESSION is an over rated stat unless your TEAM conrols it 3 out of 16 games! 3&OUT’s hurt almost as bad as a turnover.

Tactics without Strategy is the noise you hear before Defeat!

by monodono on Mar 30, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

rec'd

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by Mike Clark on Mar 29, 2009 7:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks

Although I think there were the other factors that I mentioned, the lack of a consistent running game certainly exacerbated the situation. Hillis gave the offense a solidity that it lacked before and after. I thought he was our most effective running back last year, in that when he was in it helped the offense as a whole more than any other back’s presence.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 29, 2009 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

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The best defense is a good offense!

by Mike Clark on Mar 29, 2009 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

I also agree

Perhaps his most important effect was that according to Wiegmann he energized and offense and they believed in him. Casey said the stuffing went out of them when he went down. You can’t overestimate that kind of emotional punch, especially in a team on the edge.

Hillis in '09

by Doc Bear on Mar 30, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

good analysis on your QB

seemed to me he played really well at first and that instant success might have got him too hot-headed. He began to lose focus and eventually games. Then when SD put the pressure on, he slid even more (hence the last three games) That’s just a raiders fan’s two-cents.

Ha! Russell had a way better QB rating over the last three games. I know the end wins and losses are what matters, but still.

V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."

by KA1Z3R on Mar 29, 2009 7:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for your comments, KAIZ3R

I don’t know if his early success made him “hot-headed” (I would have said arrogant or overly confident). I think that was already his tendency. And I think he slid from the strain of having to be perfect game after game. What is this, Russell’s third year? Either this year or next you’ll get an idea of how good he’s going to be. It wouldn’t hurt his development if he had better protection and some receivers.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 29, 2009 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

technically speaking

yes it’s his third year, but I hardly count the 07 season has a season for him as he only started one game. But yes this is his third year and if he plays this year like he did the end of last year (about the last 5 weeks) then he should be a great NFL QB for Oakland for years to come.

V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."

by KA1Z3R on Mar 29, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

I count all years

Even if they’re not starting the extra years do seem to show up in a quarterback’s development. A fourth-year QB who’s starting for the first time might take a game or three to get acclimated, but once he does he plays at the level of a fourth-year rather than first-year QB. Even if they’re not starting or even playing these players are practicing against NFL players.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 29, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

fair enough

I see what you mean. it’s just that was such a weird year because he didn’t get training camp or preseason time.

V- "I'm not questioning your powers of observation. I'm merely remarking on the paradox of asking a masked man who he is."

by KA1Z3R on Mar 29, 2009 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's a good point, too

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 29, 2009 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right.

The hot-headedness came late in the season and is probably better described as frustration.

"HE'S OUR QUARTERBACK." -- Josh McDaniels

by broncosmontana on Mar 29, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

omg..you are soooo smart Spock

Wow…your words are perfect…its like i was thinking when i saw our points scored dropping…why was that happening…and its like you just looked at it and found exactly what it was…i wish i was that smart…great post

by JaysGirl on Mar 29, 2009 8:04 AM MDT reply actions  

You're too kind, JaysGirl

The idea of information processing speed is one I’ve been playing around with for months. I’ve published a couple of MHR articles on it. It occurred to me, while I was lying in bed the other night, that it might help resolve the paradox that Jay seemed to be a clutch player in some respects, yet in other ways failed to rise to the occasion the way I thought a bigtime QB should. I’ve always gravitated towards paradoxes as a researcher, because if you can sharpen a paradox so that the contradiction is inescapable, then resolve it in a way that shows it was only apparent, you reach a deeper understanding. That’s why I look for rather than avoid paradoxes. They’re opportunities to see unsuspected truths.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 29, 2009 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice post Spock

I was suprised that you didn’t mention the running back situation. A sustained rushing attack from a player not 4th or 5th or 5th or 7th or 8th on the depth chart certainly would have helped Jay as well. When the entire team knows that you are passing it drastically reduces your chance of success especially in the red zone.

Do you think Jay was sacked only 11 times because our line was that good or because defenses dropped all their blitzers into coverage daring Jay to throw into tight spots and hopefully make a mistake? If Denver had a running attack then I think you would have seem some run blitzes from the defense at least….the whole game changes.

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast

by Steve O' on Mar 29, 2009 8:50 AM MDT reply actions  

Certainly fewer injuries and a sustained rushing attack would have made our offense more successful

On the other hand if our offensive line hadn’t been so brilliant it could have been much worse. I was trying to analyze Jay’s contribution, and the effect on it of his attitude and level of development, on its own terms separate from the rest. You can’t have an offense that has only an offensive line, only running backs, only a passer, or only receivers, but you can in principle, via careful analysis, determine what each contributes to the whole. I was interested in Jay’s contribution per se. I think Jay was sacked only 11 times, by the way, mostly because of the brilliance of our line, but his ability to sense the rush and move around in the pocket was a nontrivial factor. The latter is something my analysis could have and perhaps should have considered. The rest is superfluous not because it’s unimportant to the offense and doesn’t effect Jay, but because it doesn’t indicate what Jay brings to the equation (i.e. all else being equal).

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 29, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Makes sense

thanks for the clarification

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast

by Steve O' on Mar 29, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great post as always Spock

I really believe that our defense had more to do with the whole situation than anything else. Mine is a simple view but I am very sure that in many of those games Shanny probably told Jay in no uncertain terms that he would have to win the game himself. Thats alot of pressure on a young QB. I mean really everytime Jay went on the feild he knew that he had to get us in the end zone because the opponent was surely going to score in some fashion when their offense was on. When I look at alot of those interceptions he threw in the red zone I see it being more about desperation than just making a bone headed play. Lets face it we could not settle for feild goals because the other team would be scoreing touchdowns. Basically without a defense it was a lose lose situation for Jay every game and I am quite certain that after a half a season of that any QB would become frustrated. While I am not smart enough to deal with paradoxes and things of that nature my simple (humble) outlook on the whole thing is that if we would feild a defense that can at least make 3 or 4 stops a game I think you would see an entirely differant style of play from our QB. I know these guys make alot of money and its a buissness out there but I also think that if the game is not fun to play then it truly just becomes a grind it out sort of job and none of us can say we enjoy working in those conditions. In my opinion by the midway point of last season the the pressure to always score and have to do it almost solely through the air attack made for a long frustrating year for Jay. Hell im still impressed he did as good as he did and didnt have even more interceptions.

by broncosorbust on Mar 29, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't suppose we'll find out

how good Jay might have been with a better defense, because I suspect both the defense and Jay will be better this year. Obviously, a better defense would have helped. To carry a line of thought I’ve seen a lot lately to its absurd extreme, if we’d held all our opponents under 10 points we’d have gone 16-0. But I’m not willing to overlook deficiencies on either side of the ball. Both the defense and offense underperformed because they tried to do too much. Too often a defender trying to make a spectacular play gives up a TD or big run, and too often a QB trying to turn a nothing play into a TD or first down loses a sure three or gives up a TD. While the defense was bad from beginning to end, the offense started out good and got much worse. While you can plausibly blame the defense and the running back carnage, I think a seasonlong effort of trying to throw perfect passes into double and triple coverage not only took its toll but showed where Jay himself needs to improve (and will, in my opinion).

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 29, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree that our horrid D

put pressure on Jay & the entire O to score 7 with every possession, our D was also strained by the crucial turnovers that our O coughed up. While Jay might have thrown more picks because of our bad D, our D looked bad (in part) because of too many turnovers. It really strains and wears out a D when they just take a seat on the bench and then get thrown back on a short field by a TO in our own territory.

I agree with you for the most part however, because while Cutler’s 18 picks were too many (as well as all of the damn fumbles), our D was by far more of a detriment than Jay was. The D forced Jay to put it all on his shoulders and I think he performed very well for the circumstances.

by c_style on Mar 30, 2009 12:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

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The best defense is a good offense!

by Mike Clark on Mar 29, 2009 9:07 AM MDT reply actions  

Excellent as always Spock.

I think you raise some issues that would otherwise get overlooked. It’s easy (but correct) to point out that Jay’s defense was awful, placing him in difficult positions, and to point out that the runners were (at once) both under-utilized and injured. Add in a bizzare pass happy scheme that was easier to deconstruct as the season wore on, and analysis could have stopped there.

You mention these, but you’ve gone the extra mile and looked at QB tendencies (such as Jay’s low aversion to risk), and other factors. In the end, we all learn from the post. Surely Jay will learn the same lessons from McDaniels and become even better.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Mar 29, 2009 9:17 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, HT

You’ve put your finger precisely on what I was trying to do, which was to focus on one particular factor, Jay’s contribution to the offense regardless of other factors, guided by a revealing peculiarity, Jay’s ability to rise to the occasion for particular plays (i.e. third down conversions) but not for particular games (at least not late in the season). I’m hoping Jay does learn from McDaniels. Whether or not he’s going to be coachable in that sense has been one of my main concerns. I hope he realizes that McDaniels can do more than anyone else to help him fulfill his ambitions.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 29, 2009 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

My guess...

…is that once things get going on the field, and the agent moves back to the background, Jay will get along with the coach. I think some peer pressure from the other players will help.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Mar 29, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jay's processing speed and bad decisions as a cause of the Broncos' offensive decline...

It’s only logical :)

Excellent post, Spock. QB’s are subjected to so much pressure from the coaches, the fans, the teammates, the other team.. Every move a QB makes is thoroughly scrutinized, and every bad decision a QB makes is flamed. However, when everything goes well, the QB is the hero, and anointed by all those people. I think that a reason for Jay’s decline was that he bought into all the media anointing him and his ego was inflated.

I think that McDaniels is the type of coach that can keep him at a consistent level of mood. Much like his diabetes and his blood sugar levels, his mood must be balanced out by congratulations, detriments, and pep talks. Hopefully if he becomes a little less volatile in his moods, he will be able to see more clearly and make collected decisions.

I seem to have lost my future self.

by papigrande on Mar 29, 2009 9:41 AM MDT reply actions  

McDaniels' work with the Patriots' secondary and later with Brady, Cassel, and the offense as a whole

suggests he is good at dealing with players, however unintuitive that might seem given the situation with Cutler. Perhaps in time he will find what works and doesn’t work with Jay in a coaching context, and be as successful a coach for him as he already has been for the players he coached at New England. If Josh can keep him calm and collected that will hopefully help his off-field decisions and may well contribute to his on-field play, but the improvement on his on-field “decisions” per se will be a function of his developmental level, in terms of processing speed, and his willingness to forego unnecessary risks. The latter is where McDaniels’ on-field coaching might have its greatest impact.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 29, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Very good article, spock

I’d like to add three small factors. The first is that his receivers did get confused as to what route they were running on a few occasions and the resulting interceptions were not due to a bad decision by Cutler but to a mistake by either Royal or Marshall. The second was the number of drops. Marshall will need to cut down on them next season to be a truly elite player, and he knows that. He also mentioned that he tried to look at Welker’s route running while at the Pro Bowl and raise his level, so I know that he’s cognizant of #1. His numbness might have been a factor – if so, it should have improved by next year.

I think that you covered a lot of ground very well, spock. Adding these two factors to yours, we have a younger QB in a very high stress situation. He feels that he has to carry the team, and at times by himself. The third factor is that I would also put Bates up as part of the issue. His play calling was not always what it might have been, and while I would be assuming, it was my impression that Bates’ youth may have been problematic when coupled with Cutler’s own.

Hillis in '09

by Doc Bear on Mar 29, 2009 10:21 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Good points, Bear

With regards to route mistakes that happens on all teams, so any quarterback’s total will be increased by unlucky interceptions due to route mistakes and decreased by the bad throws he gets away with. For the most part I think it’s a wash but also a reason why no one, even if he makes no mistakes, will ever have a no interception season. But it did seem to me that Marshall in particular was especially prone to being in the wrong place at the right time (just like off the field!), leaving no one between the ball and the defender and Cutler with a quantum of additional stress. As for drops Marshall had quite a few, but I remember an article here showing that his drops as a percentage of the times he was targeted wasn’t that excessive. Nonetheless, an elite receiver should be better than merely average in that. I agree that numbness was likely a factor and suspect he’ll do better next year. What was more surprising to me was the fact that he targeted Marshall more than Royal even though he completed a much higher percentage of the passes thrown to the latter. I suspect that had a lot to do with Royal’s very crisp and sudden cuts giving him consistently more separation than Marshall, and that Cutler’s preference for Marshall despite that was a carryover from the previous year. I think Royal will be our best receiver this year, and that he might have been last year. Good call on Bates. I don’t think his play calling was all that great, but I’m sure it appealed to Cutler for obvious reasons:

Bates: Let’s go with a pass on this down.
Cutler: I love you, man!

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 29, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Re: targetting marshall v. Royal

I mention in a comment below that rather than making bad decisions, Cutler may have been guilty of abandoning decision-making altogether when the heat was turned up… what if targetting Marshall over Royal is an example of this? Marshall is huge, easily spotted downfield even amongst a gaggle of raider DBs. Royal is small, obfuscated behind a single DB, downright invisible in double coverage.

Then the queston becomes, why target Marshall over, say, Graham? Because Graham will always be a certain distance from the line of scrimmage at any given point, or so says Newton. Cutler’s response to pressure was to look downfield with tunnel vision. That necessarily means overlooking outlets.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 29, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great point, styg.

I recall watching Jay ignore his outlet receiver (usually RB) many times and try to force a magic throw deeper, even though the outlet was wide, staring open – and some of the time, he could. And other times the WR looked at him as if to say, “What the …..?” for even trying. In a more disciplined offense, we will have a lot more of those longer drives that O+B was talking about.

Hillis in '09

by Doc Bear on Mar 29, 2009 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol
Bates: Let’s go with a pass on this down.
Cutler: I love you, man!

Yes, that’s about it

Hillis in '09

by Doc Bear on Mar 29, 2009 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent Stuff Spock

I had been kind of wondering but hadnt had th time to break it down. Thanks my friend

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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 10:27 AM MDT reply actions  

Very nice job!

I would have to agree with bear. I really think that Cutler would loose control of his emotions due to bad route running. If Jedi can harness that look out. Bates calling predictable plays that were daziling and fun more than sensible also aided to bad decisions. WR screens kill me! Great post

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by moorebroncos on Mar 29, 2009 10:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Posts like this are why I love MHR.

Good analysis by Spock, excellent points in the ensuing discussion. Great stuff.

by jaffe28 on Mar 29, 2009 11:42 AM MDT reply actions  

Spock, I was impressed with your statements on paradoxes

Where do you see other paradoxes on the Broncos? If you see more I would love to see another post like this one. Rec’d

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Mar 29, 2009 1:17 PM MDT reply actions  

The whole thesis right here
But it didn’t do so obviously, because Cutler has abilities that have tended to mask that deficit. His throws have tremendous velocity and accuracy, particularly when he’s throwing on a straight line. That means he can often get the ball in even when the receiver’s covered, because the ball’s so perfectly thrown and gets there so fast the defender doesn’t have time to react. But the other side of the coin is that Jay has to be perfect in order to avoid picks. And having to be perfect play after play, game after game, takes its toll over the course of a season. I suggest that’s why Jay faded.

What you are saying seems to be that Jay’s decision making took a hit precisely because he stopped making decisions. The more the pressure mounted, the less he relied on thinking and the more he relied on his natural abilities. He wasn’t choosing to thread a needle with arm strength and velocity over throwing it away or checking down to a RB, he wasn’t choosing at all. By the end of the year our offense was inefficient sandlot football, and the exact opposite of week one against the raiders, where we were a relentless machine.

Also, in your defense, I want to add why defense and running game should NOT be a part of this discussion. The defense and running game don’t make decisions for Jay. They may causally put him in certain positions, but good decisions can be made even from the worst positions. In discussing Jay’s potential we HAVE to address the decisions he makes, not WHY he is making decisions, but WHAT those decisions are. It is the only thing that matters in regard to his development.

I recently had a conversation with Guru about franchise QBs, and I felt prompted to give a definition of what a QB was (as it applies to the Broncos and most of the modern NFL). A QB is the primary offensive decision maker in the field of play. He touches the ball on almost every single play on offense, and his decisions make or break the offense. I believe that no other quality for a QB has the fundamental importance of decisionmaking, and it is decision-making that separates good from bad QBs (your IPS was a catalyst to this line of thinking). Footwork, arm strength, height, velocity, accuracy, touch are all good traits, but how they are used is a function of decisionmaking, not the other way around.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 29, 2009 2:05 PM MDT reply actions  

Excellent critique, Styg

Your quote block unerringly locates the heart of the article, the core idea that led to its being written in the first place. I had the insight about 18-24 hours before I wrote the article, mulled it over in the interim and organized my thoughts, then sat down and began writing.

I wasn’t specifically thinking that Jay stopped making decisions. It’s your own additional insight that I very much agree with. The notion of sandlot football vs a relentless machine vividly conjures up an image of how and why our offense declined. In suggesting that he stopped thinking and fell back on his natural abilities you highlight the fact that astounding talent can be a curse as well as a blessing. In a recent comment to another article Royal With Cheese argued, “Montana’s greatest skill was in reading multiple receivers with lightning quickness, which was perfect for the West Coast system system he was in.” He erred only in failing to emphasize that this skill is the single most important asset a quarterback can have in any system. It separates great quarterbacks from the pack and enables otherwise untalented quarterbacks to have solid careers. But a relatively weak-armed quarterback is more likely to nurture and perfect this skill because he has no choice. He doesn’t have the natural abilities Cutler can fall back on. But possessing these abilities also makes it more difficult for Cutler to develop this critical part of his skill set. And it is critical, because I think given a choice between an accurate rifle arm and the ability to rapidly process information and instinctively make the right move the latter is more important. Its possession or lack can make or break a quarterback.

I appreciate your emphasis on decision-making and believe we both understand that it need not imply conscious decision-making, like deciding whether or not we can afford to buy a house, but has more to do with how much a quarterback is able to see or sense in the midst of a play and his aversion or lack of aversion to risk. Analyzing the process by which he makes decisions or abandons the effort is critical precisely (as you suggest) because his decisions affect everything the offense does. Hence, “that it is the only thing thing that matters in regard to his development” is congruent with everything I believe and have said. I’m flattered that my IPS influenced your thinking in this matter. That footwork, arm strength, etc. are assets that a good decision-maker can use rather than attributes that can take the place or even rival decision-making is I think putting the emphasis exactly where it belongs.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 29, 2009 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

wasn't choosing at all....

This may be true. However, the running and defensive problems certainly limited the amount of choices he had, and also dramatically increased the pressure he was under. While the ideal analysis of a player should contain as few variables as possible, the running game and defense created an climate in which it felt like Cutler was leading a comeback or game-changing drive every series in the second half for most of the games in the later part of the season. This is like the team performance situations mentioned at the start of the article, but magnified and placed all on Cutler. This exposes some of his weaknesses, but doesn’t neccisarily show how well he will perform in more manigable circumstatnces, like when he’s asked to win games himself only 1 out of 2 games instead of for the majority of a season. Great post. IF Jay will let Josh coach him, I think that he will make huge strides in ’09 to realizing that elite player that he has in him.

by odarol on Mar 29, 2009 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great post Spock...

One of the big things we all miss, is the absolute pathetic play of our ST. They never set up the offense in good position, and often missed assigments in punting and kick cvoverage that gave HUGE plays and gave our D no hope to make stops.
We need a huge improvement on sepcial teams this year…to set up our O and D for success.
DAMN WE SUCKED ON SPECIAL TEAMS!

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by boydy2669 on Mar 29, 2009 3:08 PM MDT reply actions  

And they've sucked for a very long time

That’s a critical aspect of the game Shanahan never managed to get right, witness our dominating Buffalo in our 2007 opener yet barely eking out a win.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 29, 2009 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Now that the wedge is no longer allowed....

ST will be perfect. It was the only real problem………? Well, maybe not:(

by odarol on Mar 29, 2009 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Love the post and the thread

Nice, comprehensive analysis, Spock, et al.

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by broncosmontana on Mar 29, 2009 3:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Continuing the Analysis..

So if you take the premise:
  Cutler was “unsuccessful” due to poor decision making and/or slow processing times

Where does that leave us?
The questions:
  Can McDaniels reprogram Cutler? I believe he could, if allowed.
Which leads to:
  Will Cutler allow McDaniels to do so? I am uncertain about the answer to this question. Cutler, to me, has shown an arrogance that is borderline narcissitic. I would go so far as to say he may be a candidate for NPD.

People who are overly narcissistic commonly feel rejected, humiliated and threatened when criticised. To protect themselves from these dangers, they often react with disdain, rage, and/or defiance to any slight criticism, real or imagined 8. To avoid such situations, some narcissistic people withdraw socially and may feign modesty or humility.

If Cutler will not allow McDaniels to change his ways — what has Chris Simms shown? I have unfortunately done very little research into Chris Simms, but he seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I just think that if someone won’t let you teach them, your time is better spent on someone who will listen.

These statements are slightly jaded as I have some issues with Cutler’s self admiration, but I do want to provoke some thought..

So, thoughts?

by Todd Jewell on Mar 30, 2009 11:47 AM MDT reply actions  

The #1 question for 09..

…for me is: Will Cutler allow McDaniels to coach him?

It feels to me like Cutler is at a fork in his career path. (what do i know, but) As I see it he can step up to his role as QB listen to his coach and vastly improve his game with better discipline, or he can bounce around the leauge for 5-10 years and never quite achive his potential. They might never be great friends, but I think that Jay and Josh could have a very profitable working relationship.

As far as the NPD issue, this may or may not be his personality type, but the lives of star atheletes can certainly encourage these types of reactions (especially if he is getting bad advice from certain parties). Lets hope that his attitude is caused more by external forces than his inherent psych. makeup. My view of the misunderstanding between Cutler and McDaniels is that it is part of the growning pains associated with the restructuring of team that has spent so long under one coaches system. That is not to say anything against Shanahan, just that it is hard to change directions after going in one way for so long.

by odarol on Mar 30, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

As a former physician

That’s more than a little over the edge. Accusing someone of a personality disorder on the basis of things in the media isn’t rational. That’s not a ‘type’ – it’s a clinical aberration, a diagnosis of mental illness and we don’t have anything near a reason to accuse the man of that. Please check your facts.

Hillis in '09

by Doc Bear on Mar 30, 2009 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

yes I agree..

I am not trying to diagnose. I’m saying that I think that the things that brought up the NPD comment are not enough to diagnose and I am certainly not in a postion make that call even if I did know everything. I’m saying that the actions that could lead to the mentioning NPD are things that can show up when someone is in the role of a star athelete, which subjects a person to a lot of pressure and privilage at the same time. I don’t think he has NPD and I’m saying that I hope that what actions we have seen are just pressure and poor advice. I should have written this in a clearer manner.

by odarol on Mar 30, 2009 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was a clinical therapist before I was teaching.

I concur with Bear’s thoughts. Frankly, even given the presentation of Jay’s behavior, I just don’t see NPD being a good call even if I were to try and label him based on media constructs. But as Bear points out, diagnosing based on the news is a bad move. (In fact, I hate the “clinician as radio or TV host” concept. For example, count me as anti-Dr. Phil).

I also appreciate Odarols clarification.

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by Steve Nichols on Mar 31, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Question...

do you actually know that Cutler is full of self-admiration or are you basing that on media protrails of him? While I tend to support McDaniels in this whole fiasco, there has also been a lot of mis-information in the Cutler bashing as well. Consider this:

Cutler recently finished his best season as a pro, being selcted for the Pro Bowl, after struggling with mysterious problems which were later diagnosed as diabetes. It has been reported that he had great relationships with Shanahan and Bates hence he had every reason to feel very confident about his future as a Bronco.

Then Shanahan is fired, Bates is let go, and he finds out that he has been involved in trade discussions. That would be unsettling to anyone. When asked by the media he said he was very upset by it and he has expressed doubts that the organization is being straightforward with him. He has asked for reassurances and does not feel he has been given them. Finally he has then requested a trade.

Now I don’t think either side has handled this situation the best they could, but I don’t see how anyone can diagnose NPD based on the snipets of information we have. While Jay’s actions aren’t the most mature way to deal with this situation there’s certainly nothing unusual about any of his responses. What colors our interpretation are the ways the MSM have recycled this story over and over coupled with their speculations and distortions.

The reality; if McD thinks as HC that he is going to have the luxury of working one on one with his QB he is sadly mistaken. That will be up to Mike McCoy. Will Cutler be coachable? If he wants to start and wants to win (which I’m sure he does) then what other choice does he have.

And there is no issue of reprogramming. There’s no evidence that Cutler cannot process the information fast enough. The issue is whether he is going through his read and progressions or just winging it. There’s actually evidence, based on statements by Shanahan that Cutler was not just winging it, but that he was actually encouraged to do just that.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 30, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

That is definitely an issue with being a fan instead of a teammate — we can only watch mannerisms on the field, off the field, and in the media whether it is through interviews or hyperbole. We rarely get both sides of the story — is he trash talking because of the other team or because of something else? Why exactly is he sulking on the sideline?

I see someone boasting about arm strength, pouting on the sidelines, complaining because someone thought about trading him, refusing to respond to his coach to attempt to fix a situation and focusing energy unnecessarily on bickering towards players on the other team instead of doing his job. I see someone who seemingly made the same mistakes [throwing into coverage when someone else is a better read] again and again and I attribute that to being arrogant rather than slow.

I would hope that I didn’t present anything as a fact or as me “knowing” certain things. I state things, “to me”, which I would hope people would take as “in my opinion”. I have no degrees in medicine or the mind. The point of my post was more along the lines of, “Do the people on this board feel Cutler is willing to learn from McDaniels and change his approach?” Perhaps I should have left it at that than linking information for people to form their own opinions.

I believe if he is willing he could be a lot better than he has shown. I just don’t have confidence it will happen.

by Todd Jewell on Mar 30, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Boasting about arm strength...

let’s look at that issue because I think it is a perfect example of how Jay’s demeanor has been distorted in the media. Cutler never went out of his way to talk about his arm strength. He was asked a point blank question by Steve Greenburg of Sporting News whether he thought his arm was as strong as Elway’s and he said it was. Then the media made it sound like he had been running around boasting about his arm strength. He hasn’t; it was a simple response to a direct question.

Now we may argue that Cutler would help himself if he learned to be more diplomatic with the press, but we also have to admit that the press seems to blow everything he says or does out of proportion.

Show me any QB intent on winning and I’ll show you someone, on the sidelines, or after a disappointing loss does or says things they might not otherwise. The media doesn’t call Peyton Manning a poor teammate, yet after a playoff loss he was willing to throw his O-line under the bus.

I think we need to be careful not to let the media frame how we view any of our sports figures. We have spent the last three months (since the Shanahan firing) under a firestorm of media attention. The actions of everyone from the owner to the janitor have been scrutinized and parsed for extra meaning ad nausea. Before we judge anyone in the organization let’s ask what do we really know and by what standards should we really judge them.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 30, 2009 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with SWG

BUT…I also see where Todd is coming from. Jay comes across as a bit of a wanker in a lot of situations….which is unfortunate as he has a lot of upside both on and off the field…but he needs to be a complete package: this includes thinking before you speak, being able to fdeal with losses etc.
It is a long growth curve, and anyone that DOES NOT know NFL would look at Jay Cutler in many situations, on body language alone, and say, “whats the deal with that guy?”
I am hopeful he will turn the corner this season, as we all see the potential!

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by boydy2669 on Mar 30, 2009 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I remember the interview

and as SWG says he just answered the question. He didn’t use it as an opportunity to boast (in my opinion) and he definitely didn’t go out of his way to raise the issue. The press has been unfair to Jay on this. Directness doesn’t bother me and wouldn’t have bothered anyone else if we’d gone 12-4. My concern is his response to frustration, for instance yelling at Eddie Royal when we know Royal made unusually few rookie mistakes. How would it affect a guy who was playing like a rookie? But that has more to do with age and is not indicative of a personality disorder. I might have issues with his leadership based on incidents like that and his reported lockerroom demeanor, but I’m not sure even of that and am simply going to wait and see.

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by spock on Mar 30, 2009 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

This whole “My arm’s stronger than Elway’s” nonsense has been flogged to this point by the media that just loves the drama.

Fact is, the guy just answered the question “Is your arm as strong as Elway’s?” with his tounge in his cheek a bit- it’s clear he was kidding around. But hey, never let the facts get in the way of a “good story”, right?

Next thing we know, it’s spun that he’s “bragging about his arm strength”, when it was nothing like that at all. Of course, nobody actually watches the clip in question and actually listens to what the guy says. Nah, that’s too easy and there’s no “story” there. It’s most profitable to run with the most sensationalist take so that’s what they all did.

And now here we are, with “convential wisdom” relating the “fact” that Cutler “bragged that his arm is stronger than Elway’s”, and what an arrogant, egotistical punk Cutler is.

Drives me nuts.

by AllBroncsallday on Mar 31, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Even yelling at Royal....

I really don’t care. If he and Eddie got it resolved then who gives a rats *. If it isn’t resolved then it’s a problem. I want my QB to win games, especially critical games; I want the to rise to the occasion at clutch moments. I really don’t care how they deal with the media. I want a football player not a diplomat.

As Knute Rockne said,

“Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.”

by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 31, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Spock,

I thought Jay was just joking around in the interview. I thought the comment was blown out of proportion. Was the “joking” angle your take too?

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by Steve Nichols on Mar 31, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

It occurred to me at the time that he might be

I wasn’t sure then or now.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Mar 31, 2009 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

like a

i just got a date with natalie portman good feeling or a i need a bigger belt good feeling?

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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 30, 2009 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ummm...BOTH!!!!!

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by boydy2669 on Mar 30, 2009 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

You gotta bigger belt?

Wait’ll the MSM gets hold of this.

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by spock on Mar 30, 2009 7:41 PM MDT reply actions  

A slightly different angle on this...

“…sustained perfection takes a toll”

Assuming we go into camp and the season with Jay at the status quo (i.e. on his current contract), I think there would be general expectation that this would be Jay’s “contract year.” So, throw into the much-discussed mix between his ears some personal pressure to perform consistently well. If the W-L record is merely average, does the frustration ascend? Or does he push through, improve his game, and make the team better than it should be?

by MakeCents on Mar 30, 2009 9:14 PM MDT reply actions  

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