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Jumping on the Bandwagon: Another Mock Draft to Pass the Time

This was originally going to be a comment on HT's Depth Craft post, but after a few minutes of draft research I got a little carried away and realized that I would have made the longest comment ever. So, I decided to just put it all here, in a nice FanPost. You've gotta love Draftivus. The speculation, the joy, the arguing... It's the best part of the offseason except for training camp if you get to go to that. (Yay Bronco-Con yay!)

Also, I went in order of overall team need need versus actual draft order, so it is a little discombobulated. Hope you don't mind.

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After looking at [HT's post], I think it's safe to say that DE and DT are our biggest needs. I think Boydy was the one who came up with the scenario where we trade our 1st and 2nd for Detroit's 1st (20 overall) and 2nd. This would allow us to get Tyson Jackson and Ron Brace and fill both of those needs. I'm not a huge Jackson fan, but I'm not really a fan of anyone else in the first round either and he would fill our biggest need.

The second scenario, which I would like better, is to draft Raji if he falls to us and get Ziggy Hood in the second round. Problam solved. The only issue with this is that it is VERY unlikely that Raji falls to us at 12. With that, I think our DL crop would be significantly improved, and we could form a competent DE rotation with T. Jackson/Z. Hood, M.Thomas, T. Crowder, K. Peterson, and D. Reid. At DT, I think Fields is the obvious choice to start, and B. Raji/R. Brace would rotate in with C. Powell backing them up.

After seeing [HT's post], I have also come to the conclusion that LB is not as big a need as I initially perceived it to be, and I think it would be adequate for us to pursue a project player like Jasper Brinkley instead of breaking the bank on a first or second rounder. Brinkley can be had in the fifth, and I suggest we take him with our first fifth round choice.

Safety is another hole, with both of our starters in the twilight of their careers. I think Chip Vaughn would fit in nicely as a SS, and we could pick him up in the third round. I was initially turned on to Vaughn by the raiders fans, and I have loved what I've seen of him so far. He would fit into the rotation and spell Hill, and would relegate Fox to the emergency backup position that he deserves. With Vaughn at SS and Barrett at FS, I think we would have an excellent safety-of-the-future tandem. For a good analysis of Vaughn's talent, go here.

The last important holes I want to fill are wide receiver and interior o-line. I don't perceive WR to be as big of a need for us as most people do, and the reason is Chad Jackson. He has the size and speed to be our deep threat and our number two, and I think he's going to be better than anyone we can get in the fourth or fifth rounds. Still, if we want to bring in some competition for him we can look at speedy WR's like Mike Wallace or Ramses Barden in the fourth. The WR I suggest we take, however, is Deon Butler of Penn State. He was their most productive receiver last year, not Derrick Williams, and is pretty polished for a fifth rounder. Oh, and also he ran an unofficial 4.26 40 at the combine.

So with our first, second, third, and fifth rounds covered, I suggest we take a look at some OL depth in the fourth. A. Q. Shipley is another Penn Stater I like, and he has been a beast for his entire collegiate career. He started 39 games in a row, was first team All Big Ten, and has great size and bulk. He was team captain and has a reputation for being an intellectual which was proven true by the 40 he scored on his Wonderlic. So why is he rated so low? He has short arms. You know what? I don't care if he has little midget Tyrannosaurus Rex arms, the man is a pure football player and I would welcome him on my team. He and Lichtensteiger would be an excellent tandem to replace Weigmann and Hamilton when they move on.

This would cover all our biggest needs except for running back, and I think we could get a pretty capable one in the sixth round in Ian Johnson. He had a great career at Boise State (then again, he spent three years running behind Ryan Clady; I think I could be successful doing that) and shocked everyone with a 4.46 at the combine. He has excellent patience and great field vision, and is a capable pass catcher out of the backfield. The only problem is that he's another filler-type running back, and we already have 17 of those on roster. In the end, I could see him making the team, along with Hillis, Buckhalter, Torain, and Arrington or Selvin.

So now I have covered al the rounds 1-6, and I still have two more picks to use. While I think speculating this far into the draft is futile and quite a waste of time, I will press on because I work for you, Broncos fans, and I will not leave you with an incomplete mock. Also, I don't really have anything better to do. So here is my seventh round speculation.

I have been known to say that you can never have enough depth on the D-line. So I want to take a flyer on a Colorado guy, George Hypolite. He was a DT in college, but I see him moving to a DE in a pro 3-4. Not only does his name sound like some kind of Greek goddess, he has a surprisingly well-rounded skillset and is capable of defending the run and the pass. He would be good depth and a decent filler if one of our guys got hurt.

With our last pick, I went with a CB, since that is our only perceived need that I have not addressed yet. The CB I chose was Wopamo Osaisai of Stanford. He's a rough product, but he was second-team All Big Ten and is a track star with a 4.3 40. Also, like Hypolite, I like his name a lot.

So here's a recap of the Papi Mock:

1 (#20 overall, via trade from Detroit): Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU or #12 overall: B.J. Raji, NT, Boston College.

2 (#33 overall, via trade from Detroit): Ron Brace, NT, Boston Colege or #48 overall: Evander "Ziggy" Hood, DE, Missouri

3 (#79 overall): Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake Forest

4 (#114 overall): A. Q. Shipley, C, Penn State

5 (#140 overall, via trade from Seattle): Jasper Brinkley, ILB, South Carolina

5 (#149 overall): Deon Butler, WR, Penn State

6 (#185 overall): Ian Johnson, RB, Boise State

7 (#225 overall): George Hypolite, DE, Colorado

7 (#235 overall, via trade from Atlanta): Wopamo Osaisai, CB, Stanford

So there you have it. I am Papigrande, and I officially endore this mock.

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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The names of my picks should be in bold...

Why are they not in bold? Stupid formatting… I just can’t figure this stuff out.

I seem to have lost my future self.

by papigrande on Mar 29, 2009 10:54 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

not a bad mock actually

aside from Tyson Jackson who I have never seen as a good pick and BJ Raji reminds me of Haynesworth I like it for the most part. I think if you drop back to #20 Jackson will not be there! also I think that we could use that area to select a good ILB who can keep Davis fresh. Some of the guys you have on there Papi if they fall to us i woudl be thrilled but then again Eddie Royal wasnt on my radar last year I had him going to Philly. Good thing that didnt happen

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Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 11:02 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Haynesworth DOES remind me of Haynesworth...

…He is extrememly talented but may have motivation issues. Let’s give him a short term contract so he can work for that 100 mil dollar extension. ;)

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by Elway4Prez on Mar 29, 2009 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depth

Now, I suddenly feel inspired to explain where this draft would leave us. I think with a draft like this, we would be able to switch to a primary 3-4 defense this year. So I’ve compiled a rough depth chart that includes all of our draft picks.

QB
1. Jay Cutler
2. Chris Simms
3. Darrell Hackney
RB
1. Peyton Hillis
2. Correll Buckhalter- spells Hillis every few drives and some third downs
3. Ryan Torain- Basically the same role as Buckhalter
4. Ian Johnson- used situationally as a scat back
5. J.J. Arrington- Mainly a kick returner
FB
1. Andrew Pinnock
WR1
1. Brandon Marshall
2. Jabar Gaffney
3. Brandon Stokley
WR2
1. Eddie Royal
2. Chad Jackson
3. Deon Butler
SWR
1. Brandon Stokley
2 .Jabar Gaffney
3. Deon Butler
TE
1. Daniel Graham
2. Tony Scheffler
3. Jeb Putzier
LT
1. Ryan Clady
2. Ryan Clady
3. Tyler Polumbus
LG
1. Ben Hamilton
2. Kory Lichtensteiger
3. Greg Eslinger
C
1. Casey Weigmann
2. Kory Lichtensteiger
2a. A.Q. Shipley
RG
1. Chris Kuper
2. Kory Lichtensteiger
3. Greg Eslinger
RT
1. Ryan Harris
2. Tyler Polumbus

RILB
1. DJ Williams
2.
LILB
1. Spencer Larsen
2. Andra Davis
3. Jasper Brinkley
ROLB
1. Wesley Woodyard
2. Elvis Dumerville
3. Darrell Reid
LOLB
1. Boss Bailey
2. Jarvis Moss
3. Darrell Reid
NT
1. Ron Fields
2. BJ Raji/Ron Brace
3. Carlton Powell
4. J’vonne Parker
LE
1. Tyson Jackson/Ziggy Hood
2. Kenny Peterson
3. Nic Clemons/ Matthias Askew
RE
1. Marcus Thomas
2. Kenny Peterson
3. George Hypolite
FS
1. Brian Dawkins
2. Josh Barrett
3. Vernon Fox
SS
1. Renaldo Hill
2. Chip Vaughn
3. Vernon Fox
LCB
1. Champ Bailey
2. Josh Bell
3. Jack MF Williams
4. Wopamo Osaisai
RCB
1. Andre’ Goodman
2. Jack MF Williams
3. Wopamo Osaisai
NB
1. Josh Bell
1a. Jack MF Williams
2. Wopamo Osaisai

K
1. Matt Prater
P
1. Brett Kern
KR
1. JJ Arrington
PR
1. Eddie Royal
LS
1. Lonie Paxton

I seem to have lost my future self.

by papigrande on Mar 29, 2009 12:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

One can NEVER get enough depth charts!

Seriously! I love them. They help crystalize where we are in comparison to the rest of the league.
Nice touch to your mock papi.

by topnation on Mar 29, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Papi - Very nice chart

That being the case, I do see on opening an ILB – we will need someone who can play it if the injury bug hits, which it probably will. Brinkley is one option, to be sure. I’d take issue with little, but a couple of comments:
McD is very high on JJ Arrington. I suspect we will see him on a lot more than returns, and that’s not a bad thing. He blocks well and receives well, which are two big pluses in the current version of the NE offense. Much of the running in that O is up the middle – Hillis is made for it, but he will have to show McD that in practice. If he’s learning the playbook the way I expect, he’ll be fine. LaMont Jordan is a lock at RB, though. I like your ideas on Johnson – he’s interesting.
We probably won’t keep 6 WR. Butler could end up on the PS.
Loved that Ryan Clady was 1st and 2nd string LT. Yeah, it’s kind of like that, isn’t it?
Neither Jackson nor Raji will be likely to make it to #20, but while I’m not big on Jackson, I understand the pick. I’d love to see a much better CB to groom, especially if it’s Jenkins who could work into safety.
Last, I’ve seen Polumbus take snaps at center and I thought he played well, even if it was preseason last year. Lots of flexibility if both he or Steiger could step up as needed. I don’t mind short arms, but since both Steiger and Shipley have them, is that a problem? (if Chuck Norris had short arms, would less people have been afraid of him? Not with that side kick, but this is football…)

Hillis in '09

by Emmett Smith on Mar 29, 2009 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like this draft

We are Penn State

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by supraman on Mar 29, 2009 1:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding nameology in the later rounds!

Hypolite and Osaisai were clutch picks, I was afraid you would have to go for MCNA (most common name available, i.e. Smith, Jones, etc. ). Those two late round finds are what separate the real bloggers from the wannabes.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Mar 29, 2009 1:49 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Another fine post papi. I'm curious however....

are you that sure Cutler will be playing for Detroit?

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The best defense is a good offense!

by Mike Clark on Mar 29, 2009 2:04 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

funny me---I saw the 20th pick from Detroit and jumped to conclusions....

I saw the depth chart after i wrote the comment.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
The best defense is a good offense!

by Mike Clark on Mar 29, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike...

Papi was referring to an idea of Denver trading our 12th and 48th to detroit for their 20th and 33rd.
It would be a scenario that would help both teams.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Mar 29, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

boydy......LOL........... I am a high degree dyslexic and sometimes read things backwards

when I first read her picks I thought I read we were getting both BJ and Tyson in the first round..

Funny me——I’ve made so many mistakes like that in my life.

LOL

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
The best defense is a good offense!

by Mike Clark on Mar 29, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

My brain sometimes truly visits La La Land.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
The best defense is a good offense!

by Mike Clark on Mar 29, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey buddy...you are not alone...

if brains were dynamite i could not blow the cap off my head!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Mar 29, 2009 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

but you could create some blue and orange smoke!

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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be an upside for sure JT!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Mar 29, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Truly Awesome Post, but I have one nit pick...

I understand that swapping first and seconds with Detroit puts us in position to take Brace that we likely won’t otherwise have. And like many of you he’s my top choice in this draft for the crucial NT position. However, consider the school of thought that says that falling in love with a player and over paying for him is a good way to blow drafts versus trying to maximize value at each pick. We’d be seriously undervaluing our 12th pick and if Brace turned out to not be what we think then the draft is botched.

I realize the draft value numbering chart has its justified critics, but it’s still useful to consider. Denver’s two picks add up to 1,650 while Detroit’s first and second pick add up to 1,430. The 220 delta is a mid third round pick. I’d like the idea a lot better if it included the Lion’s third rounder and we threw in some second day picks.

by PigskinProphet on Mar 29, 2009 4:27 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That would work....

I agree pigskin….I am floating the idea but it is more a concept than anything……..I would be happy with their third and we give thme one of our 5ths maybe so we could have 2 3rd rounds aswell….that would be great.
Great post man!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Mar 29, 2009 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would eat up another third!

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I had their third...

I would use it to take Chip Vaughn, since there is a chance he might not fall to us. Then I would take Victor “Macho” Harris with our third and solve a future need at CB. He and Bell could replace Bailey and Goodman when they move on.

I seem to have lost my future self.

by papigrande on Mar 29, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmmm

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets toss in

the Lions 3rd round pick next year, and our 6th next year. The expectations for both picks should assuage both parties of any perceived value deficiencies…

Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.

by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 29, 2009 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Hypolite, trade positioning

George Hypolite does have potential but I’m not sure how well he fits the DE34 position, and I’ve pondered the idea for some time now.

This is a question for our ‘X and O’s guys.

My impression is that he’d fit as an undertackle. And If he could add more muscle, then he might make it at NT, but he may be maxed out. He’s got the speed and motor to contribute in the NFL, so it’s mostly a question of position and finding the right situation.

Hypolite was ranked as a 4-5 rounder earlier in the year, so he’s probably underrated now, clearly because of his size and CU’s poor 2008 season. If size isn’t an impediment then he’s a worthy late rounder, and I had hoped we could sign him as a FA — assuming he’d fit.

The trade with Detroit is a possibility, because they need to draft a top flight OT and we’re in a good position to help them there. The problem is that it might not do much more than shuffle the deck. Tyson Jackson is very likely to be gone by #20 so we would be helping ourselves with only one of the two objectives — finding a NT. Moreover, it may be a little early for Brace at #33 so we’d only be able to fill that position by reaching.

The best part of this proposed deal would be any other picks we could get in the trade, although we better hope that Detroit is the initiator or it’s unlikely that we’d get a 3rd. It’s not that we couldn’t trade our top two picks for theirs but the fact that we might not accomplish both our goals that’s problematic. We’d be putting ourselves in a worse position for many of the targets on defense and we’d be pre-committing to taking Brace quite early.

Of course, there are other possibilities, too. The trade makes more sense if we’re looking to take the BPA at #20 & #33 and #?. The other possibility is to trade picks with another partner who’s well positioned and select Brace at a carefully chosen point. I’d guess we’d be helped by the picks from Detroit and would need to move up in the 2nd. However, I don’t know that Brace is exactly worth all that trouble. I’d rather see us maximize utility for our entire draft. Finding a NT is certainly important but it can be a mistake to put too much value on achieving that particular goal rather than a fuzzier more general goal of maximizing utility.

by Colinski on Mar 30, 2009 12:55 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice mock Papi...

I just don’t see Detroit pulling the trigger for that deal. Their draft just got way more expensive and not all that more talented.

All in all I like your picks though. They make sense.

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast

by Steve O' on Mar 30, 2009 6:40 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Macho Harris

As a Va. Tech fan, I’m all in favor of taking another Hokie. Fair warning though, he has a little punk attitude in him. He is very versatile so I think a 3rd round pick is worth the risk. And no it wouldn’t be as much of a risk as Maurice Clarett was.

Do not trade Jay Cutler!!!

by orangeblood on Mar 30, 2009 1:52 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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