Another attempt to Mock our Draft
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 3:50 PM MDT
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PrintSorry guys I know these are gong up like Wild fire. I am going to attempt to fill what I think are the needs that the Denver Broncos shoudl fill via the Draft. I think there will be a lot of CFA's we target. I didn't use a big board other than my own and I tried to be as honest as possible with the big board as I am mocking for a few other teams in other places and use the same board. Anyway this was what I came up with For Denver, hope you like it. If you dont give it to me in the comments!
Round 1- #12 Brian Cushing (OLB- USC)
The OLB need i do feel is great in Denver. If you looked at my breakdown I note some hybrid players but my argument is that They are situation LB and DE's for the most part. The only exception is that I feel Moss is a Strong side linebacker. Cushing has a work ethic and will step in as another rotaional player in our Linebacking Corps. I am not sold on picking anyone else at this point because there are too many questions for me on others. Cushing is a good solid pick for me.
Round 2- #48 Ron Brace (NT- Boston College)
To me i think that Brace will end up falling to us without having to move. Denver needs help up front I agree, but Brace woudl be the first place I would look because of the rotation I think we will have at the "NT" position. Brace is a high class guy who will bring it on the field. There are other ways I could go here but some of the other players I would want to draft here are already off my board for other teams.
Round 3- #79 A.Q. Shipley (OC- Penn. St.)
Shipley actually "slips" to us here on my board based on needs. His Wonderlic Score (40) makes me happy because he can process information quickly which is needed in a zone OR gap blocking system. Good depth on the Offensive Line with Guys like Polumbus and Lichtenstieger.
Round 4- #114 Ramses Barden (WR- Cal. Poly. SLO)
I really fell for Barden this season watching some Cal Poly games. He plays an agressive knock 'em down style of offense that makes DB's think twice before playing bump coverage on him. Ramses really has the ability of a #2 and his combine speed time is very deceptive because of his game speed. Think of the trio of Marshall, Barden and Royal lining up on a consistent basis...
Round 5- #140 Jasper Brinkley (ILB- South Carolina)
Jasper provides good solid depth because he is a gap guy. He knows what to do and where to plug as well as make a tackle. I Love DJ and WW but they are both specific style players where as Brinkley has the ability to play all types of coverage, blitz and zone. This would definately be a good pick up in my opinion.
Round 5- #149 Morgan Trent (CB- Michagan)
Trent is a later round prospect. He is the victim of a deep deep DB class, much like Woodyard was the victim of a deep draft last year. Trent comes from a very zone style of play but has held his own in man play. Smart Corner which is what I desire
Round 6- #185 Antone Smith (RB- Florida St.)
I like the signing of Arrignton but I think we need a "true" scat back. Smith is just that. He can run between the tackles but he does his best work outside. He knows what it means to cutback and find his hole for the home run. Not an every down player but we don't need that now do we? Great Change-of-pace guy.
Round 7 #225 Bear Pascoe (TE- Fresno St.)
The Doc wrote and absolutely stellar piece on Mr. Pascoe. As it stands I have Bear on my board a little higher than 225 (201) but the seventh roudn for some teams tends to be a need based round instead of quality depth round which drops bear in our lap. Quite happy to take him
Round 7 #235 John Parker Wilson (QB- Alabama)
This would be the epitome of a "QB Project." Wilson has some game savvy but his technique is far from polished. He woudl make an adequate back up right now but coudl turn into a more than serviceable starter.
Well ladies and gentlemen that is all I have ask me questions or rip me apart. Thanks for your time!
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I like everything besides Shipley in the third round.
You may be right, but I don’t see him going as early as the third round. I love Barden but I have one question for you. I’m not doubting you but I wonder where on earth you were able to see Cal Poly games? Must have the ultimate sports package on your TV, some crazy internet feed, or you live across the street from the stadium. They are such a small college. Anyway, I would be happy if this was our draft. Good job
Cal Poly
cousin goes there. I was mid move going back and forth between Nor cal and Alaska. I was AT the cal poly games cause unless you have like MASTER sports package there is little chance you will get a Cal Poly game EVER.
Shipley on my board is actually ranked #72 overall
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Good mock mate...
Dont agree with everything….not sure about QB. I can see the reason for Shipley but I am wondering if he drops further, and we could take a REALLY good corner in the 3rd.
Apart from that, good job.
I really like Barden and Brinkley…and would not be upset at all with Brace and Cushing.
Thanks man…cant have too many mock drafts!
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Thank you sir
I think passing on Shipley when he has so much to give is hard to do. I like Morgan in latter rounds because of his willingness to study film.
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd ligit kill myself...
if we ever had this draft, i mean, did u watch the broncos defense last year. D line wins games!!! they make your entire defense better which makes your offense better. Our first three picks must be Nose tackle 5 tech Dend(3-4 d end) and an OLB. You have more offensive picks then defense. Taking a qb, i dont even care if its the seventh, look at Hillis. We should not take an offensive player until our first of two fifth round picks, and it should be an interior lineman, followed by a WR(which should be similar to Marshall size). I’l be posting mine soon, with a pro bowl qb, great young recieving core and great o-line, its the other side of the ball that needs the attention.
BDAWK....
Completely disagree. We need playmakers, and raeching for a NT at 12 is a silly. Brace makes sense in the 2nd, Cushing is an OLB in the first.
We have major needs at O Line, with the age of Weigmann, and Shipley is a fit because of his mobement and intelligence.
Barden would be a steal in the 4th….we need some WR help, and BM will be suspended.
Brinkley will be the steal of the draft, and fills a need at ILB.
Morgan Trent is a great pick up at CB and has some upside.
I can see the reason for TE, but I do agree with you on QB….particularlu if a guy like Roy Miller will be available to us.
But I really like this mock draft…..2 good picks in the first 2 rounds that fill your requirements.
I look forward to your mock….cant have too many mocks and its great conversation.
See where you are coming from but I dont think it as bad as you portray.
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Fair enough
did u watch the broncos defense last year. D line wins games!!!
I agree however so many aquisitions on defense and the addition of Fields leads me to believe that we are going to be legitimate. You have to look at value across the board. I would love to read your mock to see who you select. I am not sold on Jackson Raji or anyone on D Line with the exception of Michael Johnson (DE Georgia Tech) in the first round. Johnson was by far a huge reach to me here.
You have more offensive picks then defense. Taking a qb, i dont even care if its the seventh, look at Hillis.
I do have more Offensive picks. With our defense shaping up to be what it will be I see a lot of holes on the O that need to be fixed. 6’6" WR and TE to help with our red zone scoring, scat back to help with our run game, center to address O line depth. Right now I can safely feel comfortable with 7 of our o line players but I want an 8th to keep me comfortable. As to the QB, I like Simms but I am not Sold on Hackney. Wilson is a decent QB who needs to develop. Why not develop him in Denver?
We should not take an offensive player until our first of two fifth round picks
That would be silly. Passing up on players who can fill holes and become quality NFL Players because our defense sucked is not the way to draft. If Shipley is not a quality pick who woudl you go after? what position needs so much more that it justifies passing on someone like Shipley?
with a pro bowl qb, great young recieving core and great o-line, its the other side of the ball that needs the attention.
and yet with all of that there are still needs on our team’s offense. If our offense was so set why couldn’t we score in the red zone? I am a fan of Jay Cutler, but don’t use the Pro Bowl to justify his ability. Ryan Clady wasn’t a pro bowler so he sucks according to that argument.
Thanks for the feedback and like I said I am looking forward to your mock!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Everything is good, but I think there were too many offensive picks. Sure we might need them, but our defense needs those picks even more.
What I want the Broncos to do before the start of next season:
1) Improve the defense drastically.
2) Improve terms with Jay Cutler.
3) Talk Jay into firing Bus Cook as his agent.
4) Sign Torry Holt to a 1 year deal.
Let's go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree to a point
it becomes hard to reach for players just because we had a sucky defense.Quality over quantity is my motto. Liek I said to BDIAB give me who you would take instead and I will argue my pick. I am not opposed to changing things but it is hard to pass up on some of these guys
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions
And I dont think we can fix all our defensive woes with one draft....
And we need to not neglect our strength which is our offense…that still needs tro be built AND maintained.
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+1
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions
You have to remember, if we see talent on the defensive side of the ball, but we don't want to draft him to high, then we can always trade down.
What I want the Broncos to do before the start of next season:
1) Improve the defense drastically.
2) Improve terms with Jay Cutler.
3) Talk Jay into firing Bus Cook as his agent.
4) Sign Torry Holt to a 1 year deal.
Let's go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but i worked with the picks we have
not dream scenarios like trading #12 and 48 to detroit for #20 and 33.
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 30, 2009 2:30 AM MDT up reply actions
This would be bad
I appreciate your effort, but this is not a good draft. WAY too much offense, and only one defensive lineman. The reason we didn’t go after D-Linemen in free agency was because we were planning on addressing that area via the draft. If the ONLY d-line we get in the draft is Ron Brace, I’ll be ticked. I’m thinking three new fat boys at a min.
You are under rating the guys we have in there now....
Thats just my opinion, but the needs at CB are also huge.
We almost have a free draft pick in Carlton Powell.
I like the to and fro guys,,,,awesome time of year!
Thanks Sayre…I liked your piece at Bleacher too!
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Thanks for the Compliment!
This is one of the deepest classes of CB’s (on paper) that we have had in a long time. It goes about 15-20 deep for top three round talents.
As far as the D-line goes, we have Powell, who has proven nothing but I am excited to see what he has to offer, Thomas who is awesome, and a bunch of nobodys. We need a NT and a DE. Maybe two DE’s.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 29, 2009 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions
It would be hard to find where to grab them
who do you want? What round? with one of those questions I will look at see what is there. I think with Fields, Thomas and Powell mixing it up in the middle we only need to add one. When Shanny Drafted three CB’s one after the other I wasnt impressed. I think adding too many in one draft where, IMO the pickings are slim doesnt qualify as a good draft!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree...and I have said it before...poor quality on D Line this year...if you check out draft tek almost every pick on 3-4 D line is considered a big reach
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therefore
find the best player available and draft him. We had a crappy defense in 2007 as well what was our first second and first 4th round pick? I think we went offense yeah? Plus we had nine picks last year and went offense on five. I know shanny is gone but the goodmans had a solid draft taking who they thought was the best player on the board. just because we have a horrible defense doesnt mean we have to reach reach reach for the best defensive player
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions
This is who I want
I want Tyson Jackson round one. I don’t care if we pick him at 12, or trade down to someone like the Jets, Bears, or Bucs who may want Mark Sanchez and get him. I just want him if we cant get B.J Raji.
If we can get Ron Brace or Ziggy Hood in round two, that would be awesome. To me, if we could come from the first day with a combination of Tyson Jackson/Ron Brace or B.J. Raji/Ziggy Hood we would be set at D-line. You have to go after these guys early. Think NYG D-line. They have a ton of high draft picks up front. Same with Philly. Same with Houston. All three have dominant d-lines. Thomas and Powell are barely above 300, and will not be able to consume two blockers like a true NT needs to.
Mitch King would be an AWESOME addition at DE in the fourth or fifth round. He is going to be a ferocious defender with a chip on his shoulder. Jarron Gilbert would be a great third round pick at DE.
Think if we could get three character guys like Hood, Jackson, and King all in one draft! That would be sweet. Then we could go after a big time nose tackle in the fifth round like Sammie Lee HIll.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 29, 2009 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
sell me on Jackson
or Raji, because I can not say that I see them as top flight talent. I personally believe their stock has soared because of lack of defensive talent on the line. Match them up against Sed Ellis or Glenn Dorsey from last year. Why didnt they come out last year when eligible? because (IMO) they would have been 3rd or 4th round picks and not got the contracts they will receive now with zero competion
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 30, 2009 2:34 AM MDT up reply actions
competition***
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 30, 2009 2:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Jackson and Raji
First, I’ll sell Jackson. He is the one and only truly elite five-technique in the entire draft. That being said, at a whopping 6’4" 295 lbs, he is also extremely athletic (see pro day workout). I don’t know what you are judging him on, but if it’s based on sacks you’re looking at the wrong guy. Jackson is not going to rush the passer like a DeMarcus Ware or Julius Peppers. He is going to stuff the run, and cause havoc in the backfield. A sack is one of the most misleading stats in all of football. We have Marcus Thomas, and who else to play DE? Carlton Powell? I’m just as excited as the next guy for last year’s fifth round pick, but he spent all season on the PUP, and we have no reason to believe that he won’t this year. Jackson was a stud on a National Championship defense, and did it in the SEC to boot. I don’t know any of his stats or measurables, other that HT WT off the top of my head, but that’s about as good a pitch on Jackson as I can give you.
As for Raji: I can’t believe you wouldn’t take him over Brian Cushing. Cushing has a history of injuries, and at the linebacker position that’s not what you want to invest your first round pick in, lest you are a lot lower than pick #12. B.J. Raji is a dominant nose tackle, which we do not have. We have Ronny Fields, who could maybe be a surprise, but he has done nothing in the league to warrant a sure fire starting job with us. Raji proved at the Senior Bowl and the combine that he is undoubtedly the best DT in this deep crop. He is athletic, and for 335 lbs. he can really take up blockers. When you transition to the 3-4 defense, your NT has to clog the middle and take up at least two blockers in order for your middle linebackers to be effective.
That being said, I wouldn’t oppose drafting Brian Cushing. Heck, if we drafted Chris Wells I’d still love him cause he’s a Bronco, I just want to see us address the d-line b/c we didn’t in free agency. Getting guys like Jackson and or Ziggy Hood, Mitch King, character guys like that, they make re-building a defense much, much easier.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 30, 2009 7:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Ok
my problem with both players is motivational issues.
Jackson:
I would never base line play on statistics, I base it on reactions and production. Can the guy hold down his lineman to allow the linebacker to move in? Jackson had a problem keeping bigger Offensive Lineman from holding out the Linebackers. Can the guy switch directions quickly? everything I have seen says no. He maybe athletic but it takes change of direction ability to play DE in a 3-4. the Line in a 3-4 doesn’t rack up a whole heck of a lot of stats because it is their job to keep the line off of their Linebackers.
Raji:
First Raji wasn’t available for Denevr to draft in my breakdown. Raji isnt as dominate as the scouts woudl have you believe. he has a problem against smaller lineman. Brace is a better player and knows how to switch well between a 4-3 and 3-4 which i anticipate us doing. Once again I think Raji is the victor of a weak D Line Class.
Cushings injury history is blown out of proportion. I am not sold on Cushing as our pick but when it came time I had to just break it out and say okay best player on the board.
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 30, 2009 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions
follow up
here are my top prospect as DT/NT next year.
Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska
Terrence Cody DT Alabama (6-5 365)
Jarvis Jenkins DT Clemson
Boo Robinson DT Wake Forrest
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 30, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
By the Way
DT prospects that are supposed to be “elite” do not always go high. Remeber Gabe Watson? He was not supposed to get past the third overall pick in 2007, and he fell all the way out of the first round.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 30, 2009 7:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Well...Pay Kirwans draft has us heeting Raji and Gilbert...that would make a lot of fans happy!
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Saw that
I saw that, and I liked it a lot. Good mock draft actually as a whole. Three out of four analysts on NFL.com have us getting Raji, and so does Scott Wright. I’m still holding out hope that he falls to us!
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 30, 2009 7:11 AM MDT up reply actions
the addition of Fields leads me to believe that we are going to be legitimat
yeah nothing like a guy with 19 tackles total and no sacks or TFL or to turn a bad defense around.
You dont even have the Broncos drafting a 5 technique defensive end which we have none of. We dont have a single player on our d line who has played a 3-4 d end, and you dont have us taking one either. What makes you think the transition will be so easy for our lineman, which are not even that good, besides Thomas who i believe has a lot of potential.
I dont want to neglect offense at all, maybe i went overboard saying until the fifth round, but i think we at least need to go Nose, 3-4 D end, and OLB in the first three rounds. D line makes everyone better on defense. Everyone will play so much better with three quality players up front, and good pass rushers. I agree that we should take an interior o lineman early in day two, put id wait till the fourth. I dont want to take a back, i like Buck, im not sold on Arrington, but with Hillis, Buck, and company our running game can be a good compliment to oout passing attack.
I’l have it up tomorrow Jon, i enjoy draft fighting makes April 25th even better.
fair enough
I do not have us grabbing a 3-4 DE because I dont see one worth the pick. I await your mock to see who you choose. Fields may not have stats but he was in a rotation that allowed very few gut runs. You dont have to have stats to be a beast. I think that Fields helps those around him. Also Nolan has a way of making his team understand their role, so I have faith in our guys. What bothers me with a lot of mock drafts is we neglect the fact that we have a lot of bodies on the already it isnt like we have one DT and 2 D and we are going to fill it all up. We made some solid acquisitions that while not STARS hold their own. I think we are trying to get the best talent out there and set ourselves up for a good draft next year as well. How many teams can say one draft sent them to the super bowl?
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Stats
One fact that tends to escape the casual, and sometimes not casual fan is that in the 3-4, the NT and/or the DEs will often have poor or no stats in games where they have played their best. Their #1 jobs are to keep their linebackers clean by keeping the O line off of them and to clog the middle. Tying up the O line, plugging gaps and redirecting the running play to the LBs are often the keys to the play, but none will produce a stat line. Since DL often take 3 years to mature, I’d give more credence to the fact that Fields was the first former player that Nolan wanted than to his stat line.
Hillis in '09
+1
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 30, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
love the Antone smith pick!
He would be a solid late round pick. Dude can fly!
Slow is smooth and smooth is fast
thats my reason there ha ha
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Completely agree
that not 1 draft will win a SB, but i dont think we will win a SB next year. We do have a lot of young talent with Thomas, Powell, Peterson, Clemons, Reid(who i really like). I dont see a role for Crowder on this team, he doesnt really fit anywhere, but he had a solid rookie year and i think can positively contribute.
Nobody really stands out to me out of those guys, Thomas is i think versatile on the line, and i think will play well, Nose is by far our most important need, Raji can be a three down Nose, Brace a great run stuffer, I like Thomas or Peterson to then play Nose on passing downs if we get Brace.
I also really like Woodyard to play OLB, on the opposite side of Elvis, Moss or whoever we have rushing the qb. Larsen i think can play too, i think Andra can provide leadership and guidance for the kid and i wouldnt give up on him, he deserves a chance at inside backer.
Unlike most people i am totally against getting a corner early, that would be a huge mistake IMO. I’l post my mock tomorrow but this is probably going to be my order by position:
1. Nose
2. OLB
3. 3-4 D end
4. Guard or center
5. Reciever
5. Inside backer
6. corner
7. d lineman
7. Safety
We’ll see which players are around, and youre right, if im picking in the third round and i took Raji in the first and Cushing in the second, and i see possibly a guy like Stintim OLB or Donald Brown at running back somehow still there im gonna pull the trigger and get the best guy. But we have so many needs, this is what i hate about mock drafty, you never know who will be there, or what will play out.
Go Broncos!
Look forward to it man...
but unless we trade up we wont get Raji in the 1st round!
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Cushing in the second?
do you really think he will drop that low? I mean to make it to #48 he would have to get past every team in the NFL and some of them twice. I just dont see it happening!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions
to hit a point
But we have so many needs
I agree but continue to say BOTH sides of the ball need the help. Also if we targeted guys based on need you could be paying someone like Jeff George a Champ Bailey Contract. could you imagine signing a guy like Matt Lienart to a 6 year $60 million with 14-20 of it guaranteed?
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 30, 2009 2:38 AM MDT up reply actions
This is the best mock I have seen
Any Denver draft that doesn’t have a RB in the 6th will get an automatic un-rec! TD to the HOF!!
Earlier I said that we didn’t need to draft RB until next year, but then I realized that we would be wasting the talents of the best RB coach in the game, Bobby Turner, if we didn’t give him the chance todevelop at least one RB each season.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
TD to the Hall indeed
The biggest thing is that every mock I see is good but misses the biggest problem this year (mine kind of did too). there is so much talent coming out on teh offensive side of the ball and not as much on the defensive side of the ball that it makes it very easy to say “he is the best DT/NT/DE/CB/DB/OLB/ILB/WHATEVER ELSE POSITION int eh draft” because there is little to grade against him. Last year as example, Ryan Clady was not the “top prospect” in the draft because there were other Tackles to grade him against and therefore it was easy to find short comings. This year who does BJ Raji Compete against? Last year it woudl have been Sed Ellis and Glenn Dorsey how does he stack up compared to those guys? that is why he stayed in last year. Same reason Sanchez came out this year, how does he grade against guys like Tebow and the others? that is what I look at. The guys over at Walter Football .com and Draf Tek also do this and it helps them evaluate guys better. anyway I rambled enough
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I like All of it...
Except for Cushing, can’t stand the guy and he screams ‘bust’ to me. He was never on the field on third down at USC, and I think he was the worst of the 3 USC LBs. Clay Matthews would make me excited.
I would be really excited if we got rounds 2-7 though.
Yes my bad Tollerud
i meant Raji in the first and Barwin in the second, it was a bad example anyways forget i said it.
Also i think we need to give Kory Lichtenstiger a chance, people from Bowling Green gave vaery high praise for this guy, and said he was a steal and a very physical lineman. Weigmann and Hamilton will be probably be here for at least this year and next year, so maybe we could wait to the fifth to get an interior linemanfor extra depth, and then get one in the third next year.
maybe
but (god forbid) Hamilton and Weigman go down are you comfortable with Pat Murry or Mitch Erickson, two guys who dont know the color of a playing field, taking over with Lichtenstieger? The only two guy in our depth I like are Polumbus (who is a good Tackle) and Lichtenstieger (Center/Guard)
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
But i just dont want to see third round talent ride the bench for a year or two if these guys stay healthy. I think like last year we will go after a bunch of undrafted free agents and we should get a guard in the fourth or fifth and another lineman or two undrafted.
By the way i havent really looked at too many late seventh rounders, ive watched the guys’ sleepers on NFL network and looked into some prosepects on Walter’s but you have an eye on any late talent rounds 6-7 and undrafted FA’s??? ive looked at a few so far.
The problem with UDFA
is that it is almost more of a crap shoot than the draft itself. Even if they “ride the pine” as you suggest during game day they can still get to the point of challenging an incumbent during the week. Barrett played his way into the line up as did WW. Its all about how much of a push you give the guy in front of you. Also Harris played Pears to a back up!
As to the 6-7 UDFA boards, Walter Draft Tek Mayock and others give you a good idea. Styg has done some excellent research on prospect here on MHR so be sure to check it out via the Scouting Services or the Draft 2009 side bar!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Also..
boydy if u see this id liketo let you know i hate ur mock draft. im sorry if that souds harsh, but your are drafting two more corners than i would in rounds 1-4(which is 0). Corner is not our problem, our secondary will be fine if we have a good pass rush. We could have nnamdi and champ and with our front seven teams would still thrown on us.
We all see needs according to our eyes
you have to remember that we were also pretty bad as a pass coverage team last year. I know it has some to do with the front seven but there is a bit to do with our DB’s as well! As much as I like Dawkins he is not long term neither is Hill. You have to go to where you feel value is. Boydy think that there is value in taking DB’s early on. I dont agree but I do se the need for some depth behind the guys we have now!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 29, 2009 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Agree to disagree my friend...
D Line prospects are crap and way over rated this year. CB class is very talented and deep. We have MAJOR needs at CB, and to waste high picks on average talent on D line when it will take a couple of years to devlop makes no sense to me.
Thanks for the comments.
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by boydy2669 on Mar 30, 2009 5:12 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Thats why we need to go D line early, there are a few good nose tackles who we could definitely use. WE have Josh Bell, a rookie last year who came on and did a decent job with little to work with, and Jack MnF Williams has great cover skills and speed, i like his intangibles and skill set. We have little talent on our d line, and i know our secondary is old, but we have vets who still have plenty left in the tank. Goodman played well last year, and i think safety is a bigger need than corner, its too bad the class is too thin, i think we should go for Mays or the safety out of Tennesse in the first next year. Dawkins will be great for two years, but Hill shouldnt be starting for more than a year and a half.
I’l have my mock up around 5 est.
This seems like a very good mock draft...
I agree that the first pick will be an OLB/DE. I just haven’t been able to settle on which one. Cushing was a little off of the beaten path, so I enjoyed reading your take.
I would be thrilled if Ron Brace fell to us in the 2d round. That would really make the whole draft in my mind, because I think we need two real NTs on our roster and we only have one (Fields). I would like to hear your rationale for why you think that he would fall that far.
Same question with Barden, do you really think he will be available in round 4? He is a must pick to me. So much of what the Pats do on offense is enabled by Moss’s height. With B-Marsh suspended, having problems with drops, and struggling to read defenses (see the Cleveland game), not to mention his never ending off the field woes, we need to cover our bets with a guy like Barden. Also, if he turns out to be a starter quality player, it frees us to either trade B-Marsh or avoid committing a lot of money to a high risk player. I was thinking he would be our 3rd round pick, but I was worried that he would not even be available there.
The more I think about it, the more I feel like we will address ILB depth somewhere in rounds 4-5—as you have it.
I think we will draft two CBs. We are 4 deep (Bailey, Goodmen, Bell, and Williams), but I think that we need to be 6 deep at CB and 4 deep at Safety. So, I think that we will draft 1 CB and 1 CB/S prospect, who could allow us to save a roster spot at safety (i.e. 5 CBs, 1 CB/S, 3 S). By the way, the Pats did this last year. I do think those two picks will be in rounds 4-7.
As far as the DTs go, it would be nice to get a Seymour or a Pryce, but I think that may be a bridge too far this year. From a run stopping stand point, I think that Peterson, Thomas, Powell, Clemmons, maybe even Crowder, give us a lot to work with. My current guess is that DT will be our main focus next year. When you look at our top three defensive needs (NT, DT, OLB), I always come up with 2 out of 3 after you allocate picks to our other needs and look at who is available when we pick. If Brace doesn’t fall, then my guess is that NT will be the big need that won’t get filled this year.
Great mock draft.
Here are quality prospects projected to come out next year on the defensive line
Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss
Brandon Graham DE Michigan
Derrick Morgan (Jr.) DE Georgia Tech
Jermaine Cunningham DE Florida
Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska
Terrence Cody DT Alabama (you want a monstrous DT here he is 6-5 365)
Jarvis Jenkins DT Clemson
Boo Robinson DT Wake Forrest
Next year is very D Line Heavy, so I wouldn’t want to “reach” this year and draft a guy just because of a need
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 30, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Rationale (sic)
Brace falls in the second for logical reaches in other teams. I have teams like Seattle looking at WO in round 2 when they can also use a DT/NT prospect too.
Barden is climbing in media notoriety but his numbers leave him a late third early 4th round pick. then it just goes based on guy being grabbed by team needs. no reaches really.
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 30, 2009 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I would like to see us pick up a safety that BDawk can mentor.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Mar 30, 2009 2:30 PM MDT reply actions
Afew good safeties that will fly under the radar.
Projected by many to be round 7 or College Free agents:
Terence Moore, SS, Troy State
Height: 6-2.
Weight: 216.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.72
Bench @ 225: 21
Vertical: 39"
Reshard Langford, SS, Vanderbilt
Height: 6-2.
Weight: 212.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.68
Bench @ 225: 17
Vertical: 38"
Kevin Akins, SS, Boston College
Height: 6-2.
Weight: 218
There are more but those stick out to me.
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 30, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Jon.
I’ll have to check these guys out during work today. I mean during my work breaks, ya that’s it.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Mar 31, 2009 6:43 AM MDT reply actions
ha ha ha
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