Complete stupidity: The Jay Cutler situation
by Revshawn on Mar 31, 2009 10:39 PM MDT
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PrintThis is Revshawn from other at Cat Scratch Reader, and I'm going to write today about the worst case scenario that has happened with Jay Cutler and Josh McDaniels.
I understand both sides, but I will personally take the side of Jay Culter in this debate. I will do so because I cannot imagine of getting rid of Cutler in the first place. This kind of situation in the NFL is what blows my mind. The way I see it, you need two out of three things to win a Super Bowl.
1. You need a Franchise QB and a strong defense.
2. You need a dominant rushing attack and a strong defense.
This franchise had its QB. It had it. The only thing wrong with Jay Cutler is that he has a big head and he occasionally opens his mouth to say the wrong thing. Like when he said that his arm was stronger than John Elway or whatever, some people took that as a wrong thing.
The point is this: Who cares? The kid produced. He threw for over 4,000 yards in 2008, cut down the sacks he received by half, and he threw 25 touchdown as opposed to 18 INT's in only the 3rd year of his career.
If I'm the head coach of that franchise, I would have said to myself "Thank god I have this guy! This is going to be a guy that can lead my team for the next decade. Good stuff. The offense is under control, now I can concentrate on rebuilding my defense."
Does Josh McDaniels do that? Hell no!
For some odd reason, that genius thought that the best way to improve the team was to tamper with the #2 ranked offense in the country in terms of yards by getting rid of the QB.
What is he thinking?
So the failed trade for Matt Cassel happens. Obviously, Jay Culter is very upset. Now mind you, this is a guy that has done NOTHING to be traded for. The only thing he has done is been a good QB and drove his trade value through the roof.
Let me make this point, and let me drive it again and again. The ONLY thing Josh McDaniels had to do was to go up to Jay Culter, appologize, and tell him something along the lines of this.
"I'm sorry Jay Culter for trying to trade you. You have to understand, in New England I had a special relationship with Matt Cassel. He was a guy I really respected, and as head coach wanted to build a franchise around. Now that he is with another team, I'm not going to try to trade you again. You are the QB of this team for now, for this year, and for the foreseeable future. This job is yours to lose."
That would have ended it. Jay Culter would be back on your side, disaster averted.
Did he do that? No. He goes on ESPN and he starts spraying this epic crap. Cue the transcript from the ESPN interview.
Scott Hanson: "You see [Cutler] as the quarterback of the Denver Broncos?
McDaniels: Yeah. He's our quarterback.
Hanson: Present tense.
McDaniels: He's our quarterback. Period (laughs).
Hanson: Future tense? He will be your quarterback?
McDaniels: He's our quarterback -- we can't predict the future, you know. He's our quarterback and, you know, we want him to be our quarterback. We made that very clear to him and, um, we hope he feels the same way.
So he won't make a commitment on Jay Cutler. Basically, he's saying to Jay Cutler "You're our QB till I can get rid of you and bring in my own guy." That may or may not be what he is thinking. Who knows. But Jay Cutler is going to think you're saying that, and he's a young guy that wants a coach to believe in him and build a system around him. Trust me, all it would have taken is a sincere apology to Jay Cutler and this would all be over.
Sure you can argue all you want that Jay Cutler should recognize this is a business, but it is precisely because of that fact that you guys should be pissed. There is no possible reason why you guys should be getting rid of Jay Cutler via trades or cuts. Statistically he's a franchise QB, and if you guys look around the league for a moment you will realize that it is a rare thing to have. He has done nothing to lose his job, why the heck was he on the trade block?
Josh McDaniels created this sitation for you. He created it because of his exceptional stupidity and his failure to communicate with his players. He's an offensive coordinator from the Patriots who deserves to stay just that. He has no business coaching a team if he's going to pull stupid moves like this. You think this is going to unify the team locker room with a rookie head coach at the helm?
Hell no.
I know I'm being a bit harsh here, but I can't believe this is happening to you guys. Why the hell someone would seek to improve a #2 offense instead of a #30th ranked defense I'll never understand for the life of me. You guys better hope and pray that the era of Josh McDaniels comes and goes as quick as possible. No good can come of this, I promise you.
God help you all.
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Its not that bad.....I will atke picks and a fixed D over unrealized potential!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
No no no
This is where your argument fails
Let me make this point, and let me drive it again and again. The ONLY thing Josh McDaniels had to do was to go up to Jay Culter, appologize, and tell him something along the lines of this.
“I’m sorry Jay Culter for trying to trade you. You have to understand, in New England I had a special relationship with Matt Cassel. He was a guy I really respected, and as head coach wanted to build a franchise around. Now that he is with another team, I’m not going to try to trade you again. You are the QB of this team for now, for this year, and for the foreseeable future. This job is yours to lose.”
Now from the Bowlen press release today:
"Numerous attempts to contact Jay Cutler in the last 10 days, both by Head Coach Josh McDaniels and myself, have been unsuccessful.
It’s hard to apologize to Cutler when HE WON’T TALK WITH YOUR HEAD COACH OR OWNER!!
McDaniels said Cutler was the QB. How is that hard to understand. Yeah, it’s the NFL and no one can predict the future, but we can’t read his mind when he says “no one can predict the future.”
I’m sorry I refuse to blame McDaniels after all of this that came out today. Yeah, he screwed up with the trade, but Jay has to meet him halfway.
his argument doesnt fail at all he supports it that you dont mess around with
your franchise qb if you are a freaking 32 year old rookie Head Coach and the thing about cutler not answering is just the fall out. Lame attempt at disqualifying this guy´s opinion my friend.
Um. K.
His Argument, which he wants to drive home: Apologize to Cutler, tell him “You are the QB of this team for now, for this year, and for the foreseeable future. This job is yours to lose.”
McDaniels at Owners Meetings: “Jay is our QB. I can’t predict the future.”
Bowlen and McDaniels for the past 10 days: “Jay answer your phone so we can talk about it”
Sounds like trying to “communicate with the player” to me. If the player doesn’t answer, then what do you expect them to do?
Try again.
No sir,
His argument is that McDaniels never commited to Cutler. You can´t use the “Jay is our QB i cant predict the future” Bull crap as to say that that was McDaniels commitment to Cutler, that was just cheap rhetoric by McDaddy, like Revshawn said “that was just a way of sayin ’sure you are my QB until i can get rid of you and bring in my own guy”. McDaniels never wanted Cutler and never commited to Cutler, if you think this shit exploded when he didnt answer the phone the last 10 days the you are completely lost, this thing was over by then.
Talk about rhetoric
Cutler said multiple times that he “plays for his teammates and not for the coaches”. But what does he do when it is time to report for meetings and conditioning? Throws his teammates under the bus and acts like my 3-year-old daughter. Everyone made mistakes in this mess, but a greater player, no a MAN, would say, screw you McDaniels. Cutler needs to act like so many other players that were almost traded (think Aikmen, Troy) and come prove the coach wrong by playing his butt off. Instead, he pouts and forces a trade.
Nope
Nope you are dead wrong! Jay went to a meeting, Jay was on a conference call, no apology came it got worse matter of fact. So he was there for the apology, they never came forth with one, and now they want to give one and he won’t return your call? Damn I wonder why. Jay did try to meet him half way McDuffus will not meet him half way.
by Bronco072006 on Apr 1, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
good post
though hard to know if that was really all it took to get Cutler to come back… Jay’s comments that were like, “I went into that meeting fully believing I would remain a Denver Bronco…”etc etc, sounded contrived.
Cutler’s attitude through this has been regrettable but blame rests on McD, Bowlen. Yea, it’s a business, but qbs – FRANCHISE qbs (who like Revshawn said, produce) — should expect better treatment than what’s gone down last three months. Consider you’re the franchise quarterback of a team, you just went to the pro bowl, you had developed a good relationship with your head coach, even better with your qb coach. Enter Pat Bowlen: head coach gets fired, new guy brought in (who has completely different style), you were told your qb coach would be sticking around, the new hc fires your qb coach. There are rumors your best friend on the team is going to be traded… Wow sounds great so far no? Oh yes, and finally, new coach tries to swap you out for a less talented version of you with the intention of paying that player 4x’s the salary.
I suppose we may never know who is really to blame but hard not to sympathize a little.
"according to the map, we've only gone 4 inches"
Produce what?
I don’t care how many yards he threw for. How many times did he go to the playoffs? NONE! How many games did he have where he could have clinched a playoff spot? FOUR (three this year, and one his rookie season). That doesn’t sound like he produced at all.
Excuse me?
Since when did Jay Cutler become the Denver Broncos? I’ll give you one reason why the Broncos didn’t make the playoffs: 30th ranked defense.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
You keep thinking that.
However, the truth is, Cutler’s red zone deficiencies are what cost this team a trip to the playoffs. In the Buffalo game, he had two drives where he got the team to the 20 or deeper and couldn’t get any points out of it. One he threw an interception (on the Buffalo one yard line) and the other he overthrew Stokley who was WIDE OPEN. I might take your opinion more seriously if you were a Bronco fan, but you certainly have no perspective on this matter and are forming opinions off of lame MSM half-truths (or complete falsities). Do research, and then talk to us.
No sir!
First off, he is in his 3rd year. He’s still developing as a QB, and red zone deficiencies are something that he can improve upon. Second, just look at how many points your opponents have scored each game. Yes, Cutler didn’t pull off anything down the stretch, but it’s not like he had that much help. You were down to your 5th or 6th running back at that point, so teams are expecting you to throw. Even Peyton Manning needs a running game to help out his passes. Even Cutler throws a perfect game, there is only so much you can do when your opponent can score 30, 40, and 50 points each game.
I’ve done my research, I’ve posted my opinion, and it will remain as such.
"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
You can have your opinion.
And I will have mine. My only difference in opinion is that he is not the FRANCHISE Quarterback everyone makes him out to be. Sure, he has potential. Great for him. But he could have been so much better. He doesn’t have the work ethic/desire to be like Manning. He is okay with mediocrity, and that is going to be his ultimate undoing.
that is not fair at all man
if you used that kind of logic with Dan Marino then he would be garbage not the greatest QB of all time.
How many Super Bowls did Marino win ??? You know better than that cmon
That is your problem.
Marino is not the greatest QB of all time. There are five I could name right now that are better. Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jim Kelly (four consecutive Super Bowl Appearances), John Elway, Johnny Unitas, etc.
Please bring some unbiased thought into this forum.
It was just an example, however you are right sorry. BUT continuing with the Cutler thing,
you say that Cutler cost this team a trip to the playoffs and give the example against Buffalo, Revshawn and I say that your shitty defense is what cost you that trip. And of course I didnt watch all the games of the Broncos, however, if there was one that exemplifies what we are trying to tell you, is the one against my Dolphins. In that game, yes, Cutler did throw an early interception that was returned for a TD. However, I think that game very well exemplifies what your season was all about, meaning, who lost that game? Cutler or the Defense. In that game, like I said, Cutler threw an early interception that cost you 7 points, however, then he came back and threw for a TD the next drive, later throwing an amazing 90 yarder to Marshall for a TD that was nullified on a fake interference call honestly, and just keeping you on the game. On the other side, your defense plain out sucked throughout the whole game, allowing the phins to have long drives and the chance to clinch the game in the first half because of their incompetence. What did we know as of now? Culter had kept you in the game against a defense that was playing very good football, even shutting down B Marshall and obviously the none existing running game of the broncos. And 2- that your defense had again succeeded in doing what it did best all season: Making Cutler throw the ball for 30 minutes against a defense that had shut down his #1 receiver and that played Prevent all that half because the Broncos couldnt run anymore. And obviously Cutler couldnt succeed under this conditions because it is nearly impossible. Resulting in interceptions and inaccuracy and ultimately a loss. This game, as well as your season, was lost by your defense and that is why you got a new Head Coach. To come and fix the damn defense, not mess around with the 2nd best offense in football.
2nd best offense, is incorrect
Yeah, they may have gained the 2nd most yards in the NFL. Whoop dee doo. In the stat that matters, they were a pedestrian 16th (that is points per game. The one that shows up on the scoreboard and determines games).
I am not going to disagree that the defense was atrocious. However, Cutler was in the position, many times to win games at the end of the season and he couldn’t do it. He missed a wide open receiver against Buffalo. That is not the defenses fault.
2nd ranked.....16th ranked....
Cutler doesn’t get to choose his field position. They ranked higher in yds than pts because he got to start the majority of his drives from his own 20.
Broncos D didn’t create turnovers or score points.
Cutler can’t kick FGs – Prater couldn’t kick a 40-50 yd FG to save his life.
Anyway, there are a lot of reasons the Broncos were 2nd in yds and 16th in pts.
How about a compromise – I think we’d all agree they had a Top 10 offense overall.
I really think that Revshawn has some good points, though they may be hard to hear as a Broncos fan.
exactly exactly you HIT the nail !
thank you for recognizing it
I really think that Revshawn has some good points, though they may be hard to hear as a Broncos fan.
I will agree
that the offense was somewhere between the 16th and 2nd. However, I put more stock in scoring, so I would say maybe 10th or 11th.
Fair enough
It’s just tough because we had a playoff caliber offense. Cutler was only going to get better, I think, entering his 4th year. I like one thing you said about Cutler: “He is okay with mediocrity, and that is going to be his ultimate undoing.” No winning record in Vandy and Denver did have me concerned.
Valid stat
Far cry from the 28 ppg Broncos gave up last year.
This is the worst-case scenario.
My point is,
What hurt more, Cutler missing a wide open receiver one or two times? or your defense missing a wide open receiver 254 times per game?
you guys are glossing over alot of details here, and if you paid closer attention to the broncos, maybe your opinion would be different.
1.Cutler asked for Trade when Bates wasn’t retained
2.Bus Cook is infamous for such scenarios (i.e McNair, Favre)
3.McDaniels listened to propositions, and we don’t even know how far the conversations went. Alot of parties have an interest in portraying more involvement actuality.
4.A new team for Cutler=another chance to play for Shanny
my point is there are plenty of details you’re leaving out in your Cutler Defensive
you already know.
Points well rcvd justwhytee
You make great points as well. The writing was on the wall when both Shanahan and Bates left. From there, it was only a matter of time.
Wouldn’t you like to see Cutler and Shanny reunited? I think I’d have to root for that team to succeed.
Valid point....to a point
Kerry Collins was 13-1 last year when the Titans held opponents to 21 points or less. So Kerry Collins = Jay Cutler? No. I’m not saying that you said that. Your point is valid…to a point. Loads of QBs have an alarming record when their D allows under 21 pts/game. If you’ve got examples to show otherwise, please share.
This is the worst-case scenario.
Produced this!
Only three other qb’s have his stats the last two years!
He is also 12-1 when the defense allows 20 or less points! Imagine 20 points or less!
Do you think the offense needed help? Yes it is called the defense
by Bronco072006 on Apr 1, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I like your post Rev, except for this
I understand both sides, but I will personally take the side of Jay Cutler in this debate. I will do so because I simply do not understand it.
You make no sense, therefore, your argument is irrelevant.
Peyton Hillis in '09.
Name him---Mr. Balls....or Thunderpussy.
Guys, McD didn't want Cutler. He never did.
Out with the old…
If Josh McDaniels does turn out to be what Bowlen thinks he is (brilliant/shrewd/opportunistic-like Shanny once was), then this will turn out to be the watershed moment for the 21st century version of the Denver Broncos. If McDaniels doesn’t think Cutler is the right guy, that makes me think that Belichick would likely agree.
Josh McDaniels must never have wanted to even give Culer a chance (at least he didn’t want to try that hard). He coached vs Cutler and saw him first hand last year.
He met with him and watched game film of him after being named head coach.
He likely asked other players about him.
It seems to me that in the end, he didn’t want him. I don’t believe that Josh McDaniels believes that Jay Cutler can be a team-first, tough guy, who keeps his cool in any situation (ie. Brady, Montana, Elway). And McDaniels is the coach. He took a huge risk in the eyes of the media and us fans, but I applaud his audacity in this drama. He is doing exactly what he thinks he needs to do to win.
It would have been chickensh%t for McDaniels to have kept Cutler out of fear of public and personal scrutiny if he didn’t think he was the right guy for his offense.
He didn’t like Cutler’s makeup as a man. I respect that. I also understand that a 25 year old guy with that kind of arm and upside is extremely rare, but like I said, McDaniels is the coach and he thinks Cutler has a bad attitude, is immature, and isn’t the right LEADER for his team.
If Josh McDaniels thought he could do great things with Jay Cutler, Denver would have bent over backwards to appease their mercurial QB, but they didn’t. Cutler put the final nail in the coffin by turning his back on the company, and those situations almost always end in divorce.
Who knows, maybe I’m WAY OFF (Samsonite! It’s right here on the briefcase!), a nd that’s okay because the truth will be out in a few more weeks for all to see.
I trust McDaniels on this because he knows a hell of a lot more about football than I do. The stats work both ways for Jay Cutler, and McDaniels as the head coach, reserves the right to play judge and jury and his verdict has been made. I think every party made a mistake in this drama, but I think that the biggest error was the way Jay Cutler let himself be percieved as juvenile. I have to think McDaniels knows what he’s doing, because if he doesn’t, then we’re screwed for at least 5 more years.
You’re damned if you…you’re damned if you don’t.
Hell, I’m still paying for my season tickets again this year.
It’s not gonna look a thing like Shanny’s squad, and that’s okay, because we’ve been pretty mediocre since ol’ number 7 hit the bricks.
by super7 on Mar 31, 2009 11:42 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Nice comment
I agree. McDaniels never really wanted Cutler….just like Cutler never really wanted McDaniels. Those arranged marriages rarely work out anyway.
Nice post super7. Recommended.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
Bowlen's fault
This guy isn’t a jedi, he’s a 2nd-rate Belicheat clone. Guys like him are a dime a dozen.
Jay is a special player.
Bowlen blew this the minute he hired an O coordinator to fix the NFL’s #2 offense and #30 defense. His ego was too big all along to admit his mistake so he stood by his run of the mill coach instead of his franchise quarterback.
Brilliant, Mr. Bowlen. You’re going to get what you deserve for this.
Interesting angle, but I disagree
McDaniels isn’t a head case and wanting “his own guy”. He is a Head Coach and knows how to run an offense really REALLY well. Cutler is an employee and can be discussed in a trade just like any player.
McDaniels was doing his job and Cutler got his panties in a wad over it. Good riddance. I look forward to seeing Cutler eat turf since he won’t have our O-Line in front of him any more to keep his shirt clean.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
Good riddance?
I hope you also look forward to a bunch of 3 and outs for the Orange and Blue next year.
Let’s see what we get for Cutler, maybe we’ll be ok. I will say this, though: if we didn’t have Cutler taking snaps last year and we had Simms, for example, we wouldn’t have finished 8-8. Try 4-12. Ouch. That’s how most teams with a 30th ranked defense finish.
That's why we dumped Shanahan
Because the team fell apart and nobody, not even Peyton Manning, would have gotten us to the playoffs.
Our team SUCKED.
I agree, if we didn’t have a top 10 QB last year, we’d have won like 3 games.
But we did have a top 10 QB and we still sucked enough to miss the playoffs. One guy doesn’t make the team.
Tell me something new anytime now
That’s why I’m glad to see the recent changes. Shanny hosed our Defense real good. I know we SHOULD have been 4 – 12 last year. I used to be glad Jay kept us at least from a losing record.
Now that I’ve seen his true colors though, I’m happy to move forward and look for a BRONCOS QB. Not a “ME ME ME ME” QB.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
Great Post Rev...
I agree with you 100%, who messes with your pro bowl QB and comes up with nothing?
Should never have been an issue. dumb dumb dumb…. but I guess we will have to wait and see how things go this year. Wonder how many people are going to be changing their tune on Mcd if we start out 2-6 as we very well could. If we don’t get a QB, 2-6 will be a great start. Chris is not going to do it, but then again maybe they know something here. 6 million a yr, they must know something, hope so because the bronco leadership sure looks like they are totally clueless and just winging it as they go. I sure hope I am wrong so guess we will have to wait and see. Then we can carry Mcd around on a golden chair or just smack him with a rock on his way out the door…. I vote for the chair…
I'm tired of hearing that McDaniels "tried" to trade Cutler
Some teams dangled bait that they thought would tempt him, he considered it but declined, he moved on. Jay didn’t. He wasn’t as gung-ho about Jay as Shanny was. He didn’t draft him. That doesn’t mean he didn’t want him. Jay wanted unconditional love. You normally get that only from the guy who drafted you, who has an emotional stake in your success. Jay’s just being immature. One of my co-workers (who I haven’t seen since this blew up) was an offensive lineman on Jay’s high school team. As rabid a Broncos fan as he is, and as proud of Jay as he’s been, it always struck me odd that when I’d say wow, it must have been great playing with him, he was always reticent about it and sort of implied, without really coming out and saying so, that he wasn’t that great a guy to play for. I thought maybe he was kind of jealous. Maybe now we’re seeing what he already knew.
"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen
Spock
I agree, and great thoughts…
I have to think that this pot had already reached boiling when the trade rumors fell into Cutler/Cook’s lap. I honestly think it was just icing on the cake.
The turned the trade into the ‘reason’ they’re so upset, but I think this started waaaay before that the second Shanny got canned.
This reminds me of dealing with foster children
(this in no way is meant to disparage foster kids)
They tend to “attack” their new families. If you give thema rule, they break it on purpose. If you ask them to do something, they refuse. If you tell them to do something, they up the ante, sometimes with physical attacks.
The professionals who deal with those situations say that the kids are trying to “test” the love of the foster parent. Their reasoning seems to be along the line of “If they still love me even if I am really bad, than that must mean they really love me,” except of course, that they aren’t reasoning. The structure of civilized relationships break down if the parent gives into that way of thinking, and instead the parent has to demonstrate and understanding of why the child is doing that, not an understanding for what they have done…. It is a fine line, and both parties, child and parent, tend to err in walking it, but good intentions usually see it through to the end.
The point in bringing it up, is that the foster kids are at the whim of their mostly uncontrollable emotions. But the difference between them and Cutler is that they have damned good reasons for feeling that way. Cutler has no excuse.
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 1, 2009 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Great
Another half-baked post by a non-fan that doesn’t really know too much of what’s really going on with this story, just what the msm has been feeding everyone.
Just what we need.
by AllBroncsallday on Apr 1, 2009 12:32 PM MDT reply actions
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