The Brandon Marshall Saga
by Tim Lynch on Mar 6, 2009 1:00 PM MST
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There has been much criticism this week over Brandon Marshall's recent run in with the law, which again puts his future with the Broncos in question. Many fans are even okay with his immediate release from the team. This issue has been over blown and needs to be put back into perspective, within both the confines of our cultural mentalities and love of the game. Most of us despise men who abuse women and even though many of us were able to look past Brandon's apparent abusive past, this latest incident seems to have enraged many of us more than any past indiscretion committed by Marshall.
I think it's time to rehash the laundry list of run-ins with the law that Brandon Marshall has had since entering the league in 2006. My hope is that you will see that this latest incident is not even close to the same level of abusive infraction with the law as his past legal troubles. It is my belief that Roger Goddell will not take any action against Brandon Marshall for his most recent arrest, if he does, then it will be more because of the media frenzy it created rather than the actual seriousness of offense.
June 17, 2006
Marshall's then girlfriend Rasheedah Watley sent a sworn statement to police that he threw a phone or a remote control at her, hitting her in the forehead and cutting her above the eye. Charges were never filed.
January 24, 2007
Brandon Marshall and his father got into a heated argument in the parking lot of a bowling alley about money. Marshall's father told police that Brandon had fired a gun at him, while Marshall claimed his father tried to run him over with a car. Witnesses did not confirm either accusation and neither pressed any charges, nor were any arrests made.
March 21, 2007
Police were called to Marshall's residence in Boca Raton where Watley was removed from the scene to defuse the situation. The argument was non violent and no arrests were made. However, Marshall told police that after she left he was so angry that he picked up an iron pipe and struck the ground in frustration.
I will take a break here to point out that these early issues were building up and one can see that Brandon Marshall was on the brink of losing control of his life and his situation. He needed help and no one was there to reach out to him in time. The help would come later, as usual, after the damage had been done. Now on to the really bad stretch of Brandon Marshall's public personal life
March 26, 2007
Marshall arrested for domestic violence and false imprisonment. He would not allow a taxi to leave the area with his ex-girlfriend Watley in it. He reportedly punched the window of the taxi several times and he was arrested after Watley called 911 and the taxi driver was able to flee the scene. The charges were dismissed in May of that year
October 22, 2007
Marshall was arrested for DUI after police pulled him over for driving down the wrong way of a one-way street in downtown Denver. He initially pleaded not guilty, but when the case finally went to trial in September of 2008 he pleaded guilty to driving while impaired and served 24 hours of community service and $1100 in fines.
March 6, 2008
Brandon Marshall was arrested again, this time for battery. He reportedly hit Rasheedah Watley in the mouth and eye and was arrested and booked for battery. In what would become the apex of his legal troubles, he was charged for misdemeanor battery on September 10th, two days before he was to plead guilty for his DUI case.
March 2, 2009
Police were called to a domestic dispute between Brandon Marshall and his fiance. Marshall and his fiance were both arrested for disorderly conduct. The charges were quickly dismissed and both were released within hours of the arrest.
Ok, so now we see just how embattled our star receiver has been in his career with the Broncos. You can see, that March is not a kind month to Marshall. Perhaps we should lock him up in a padded room each and every March. In any case, his troubles really started in March of 2007 and ended in March of 2008. He has been clean and honest with his life for an entire year. This latest incident really just looks like a lovers quarrel that took place in public and the police arrested the two just to keep the public peace. The arrest and charge had no legal standing and was quickly dismissed.
The fallout of this incident really came about because of the media. We can't really blame them though, as it is Marshall's fault that the media is so concerned with his personal life. As I said at the onset, if anything happens with Marshall from a suspension standpoint it will be because of the media taking notice of the incident and of Marshall's past infractions. As far as this incident being a precursor to future hassles, I doubt it. The only way my mind could be changed is if Marshall begins to have minor run-ins in the future that involve his fiance, for that could be an indication that things are escalating. For now, it just looks like a minor incident that we would have never known about or took much notice of if it hadn't been for Marshall's past troubles.
I also don't think we should be so quick to ostracize him for this and demands for his immediate release or trading are based more on emotion than reason. Brandon Marshall is a unique talent and the Bronco organization needs to do everything it can to get him the help he needs to be the quality of person off the field that he is on the field. I leave you this video to remind us all of what he means to us on the field and a picture to give you hope of what he can achieve in his life off the field.
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Zappa I dont see a video
is the link somewhere other than the last sentance?
hmm...both were lost. Let me check on it.
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Great analysis and thoughts on the situation, rec'd
The reason I rec’d this is because it causes (or should cause) you to stop and really think about the most current sitation that Marshall got himself into. I’m sure that everyone has had this type of argument (the most recent one, not the others) with their significant other at some point in time, but behind closed doors. I for one am not one of those that are calling for immediate release or trade. That said, it’s still hard not to forget BMarsh’s past transgressions and think judge him. So thanks Zappa, I’m willing to move on from this too.
Thanks man! SlowWhiteGuy also had the same thoughts in his recent post:
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/6/783328/why-marshall-may-not-get-s
Basically, this thing was way over blown…really its Marshall’s own fault. I don’t blame the media for over blowing this one bit. :) But yeah, it is time to move on…
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Yeah, but our overall theme and conclusions were too similar for me not to notice. :)
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Will be punished by NFL
I think Brandon will be punished by the NFL. I don’t think the Broncos should release him, at least not at this time. My question is, can Brandon develop any level of maturity and accountability. These traits have bled over to his play, and I believe are at the root of some of his flaws (dropped passes, poor routes). If he can get past this, develop maturity, and raise the play of his game, he can be a true great, or he can be the latest TO.
I think the last year has shown tremendous maturity on his part...
the dropped passes were not as big a deal as they appear. BMarsh was targeted more than anyone else in the league. His drop percentage is much lower than other star receivers in the league. Someone wrote a post on that recently…need to find that link. :)
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future
i think that a major thing that is lost in all this talk about how serious the offense is and the fact that the charges were dropped….is that the guy simply has not changed.
these two arent even married and they are having fights that result in both people being arrested……where does it go from here???
in my opinion, who cares how much remorse he shows and all that, the two will fight again, and maybe it is 3 years from now, when he is 2 years into a 6 year deal….then what???
i just think that regardless of the spin the media has put on this event, and all the charity work he has done and everything else. the fact is simple, the man got arrested while in a “heated argument”….the type of argument that gets you arrested. the fight was with a woman that he apparently wants to spend the rest of his life with.
i truely believe brandons denver career is winding down one way or another. At this point it would take an absolute miracle for things to change to the point where Denver would ever offer him a serious contract.
there is no way the broncos will release him. he is an asset to the team, whether it is in a broncos uniform, or through a trade. you dont develop a top flight WR and then get nothing in return for him. to wish for his immediate release is too wish for the broncos to make a decision that hurts the team severely.
TJ who’s your momma got 8 million a year…….just take a guess what Brandon will ask for.
one last thing.
everyone should ask themselves this.
you have millions and millions and millions of dollars riding on your behavior. your only responsibility for 1 year (the end of next football season) is to not get in trouble with the law.
the cops arrive at your house, would you not do everything in your power to avoid an arrest????
PS: i can only pray to god that the cops arrested them because the situation was not going to resolve itself. if it ends up being that they arrived at the house and immediately arrested the two, then i sincerely apoligize for everything written avbove
Are you married?
If some of the arguments my wife and I have had in the past were held outside of our home, I am sure we would have been arrested for disorderly conduct. There are times when a man and a woman are just at odds with each other and a good argument is the only way to reconcile the differences. Obviously, BMarsh did not resort to his old self by getting physical with his fiance, but neither were they willing to stop getting it all out on the table. The only BMarsh did wrong was allow the argument to take place in public. I say he has changed…but he still has some lessons to learn about when to have a heated argument with his fiance.
I do agree that they were arrested because neither would stop with their spat. Of course, one or both of them could have told the cop to piss off and that was that. Either way, I think you are being overly harsh with the given situation. If another public incident occurs again then it will become apparent that something is coming to a head that will not bode well for Brandon’s future NFL career.
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As I posted elsewhere...
the fact that a judge dismissed the charges leads me to beleive that the police way over-reacted. Judges tend to beleive the police most of the time. It is actually rare for a judge to immediately dismiss charges unless the response of the police was obviously over-board.
truely disagree
i think it is wrong of us to say “do you have a wife”, and “if our arguments were held outside…”
how does the fact that other people have serious arguments change anything??
i would love to know the percentage of people on this site that have ever been arrested for an argument with their wife.
probaly below 1%……and then you throw in the fact that he had a boat load of money (more then most, if not all of us will ever make in our life time) riding on his situation.
how does the man not just walk away. as soon as the cops arrive.
ask to speak to a police officer in private and tell the officer
“look we are having a big argument, and i want to avoid all trouble. would it be acceptable if you will escort me back into my house, so i can get my car keys and then i will go and spend the night in a hotel alone, and try and reconcile my problem with my fiance on my own tommorrow”
like come one, are you kidding me????
the fact that he didnt do everything in his power to avoid an arrest proves in itself that he has no common sense.
Here is my guess
And thats all its is is a guess but it seems to me alot like what me and my wife of 13 years went through early in our marriage. I get the feeling that somehow there was probably some drinking involved in the situation on both sides. When me and my wife have gotten into series fights (there have only been a couple) it was always due to us having had a few drinks earlier that night. We know hes been picked up for dui before so it is safe to assume that he does drink on occassion. I think that those of us who have drank or did in the past we all know how that can turn even a light hearted happy go lucky person into a raveing maniac for awhile until sobreity returns. Somehow I just get the feeling thats what is happening with BMarsh. If I was him I would look into getting some help for any drinking problem that he might be haveing.
by broncosorbust on Mar 6, 2009 1:49 PM MST up reply actions
It's a valid point.
A relationship has intimate and involved as marriage or an even an engagement changes things. In many arguments with your significant other it is hard to take a step back and reflect. In many ways its like arguing with yourself. It is easy for someone who isn’t married to say, just walk away and calm down. You just don’t understand the intricacies of a relationship of that level. You can say anything about what someone should have done, but it is much different when you are in that situation.
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Yes Future!
That is exactly what needed to be said! Brandon has a problem. Period!
He needs to realize he does, and get serious about counseling. I think most of us have been down a similar road but once the cops are called and you have been arrested, Its common sense that a normal person would do everything to avoid that situation again! At all costs!
Brandon is a great football player! Denver is lucky to have such a talented receiver. But Brandon also has a problem with relationships and women. Until he stands up and takes responsibility for that, he will continue down the same road.
Current incident is similar to March 26, 2007 incident
It looks to me like the current incident is similar to the March 26, 2007 incident. I think this will be a major strike against Brandon.
In the current incident, according to the Atlanta Journal-Consitution:
The officer "observed Mr. Marshall grab Ms. Nogami-Campbell by her shirt and pin her up against the wall, and at this time Ms. Nogami-Campbell then began kicking and hitting Mr. Marshall."
The March 26, 2007 incident is similar in that force was used to keep the woman from leaving and the charges were dismissed.
The key difference, of course, is that Brandon took a few punches in this one. Maybe the commish believes in natural consequences and will leave it at that.
Hmmm, I hadn't seen that report.
Of course, that situation could be construed in several different ways. I have been in those situations. My wife is done talking, I am not…though I normally don’t pin her up against a wall. I just follow her around and keep talking. lol In any case, I am not apologizing for Marshall’s actions…but I think he still needs counseling. I said as much in this post:
Brandon Marshall is a unique talent and the Bronco organization needs to do everything it can to get him the help he needs to be the quality of person off the field that he is on the field.
On a personal note, my wife flipped out once to a point where I had to grab her and restrain her up against a wall. I was not angry, she was, but I did what I had to do to keep her from causing harm. I won’t get into the details of why this happened, but it was partly my fault and partly hers…she has an Irish temper. In the end we were able to argue and talk it out. That was about a year ago when she was quitting smoking and not in a right state of mind, but that was the only time I’ve ever had to get physical.
I am just sharing that, because if a cop had rolled up while I was pinning her against the wall to restrain her then I am sure I would have been arrested. Perception is everything…we don’t know what actually happened that night and we are leveling judgment based solely on Marshall’s past offenses. That is wrong from my point of view.
Btw, my wife’s mental state returned to normal when she started smoking again. lol I quit January 2008. :)
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I'm not saying he's guilty or should be punished,
just that he’s likely in more serious trouble with the Commish because of the similarity between the incidents.
We agree. I am not optimistic about his prospects with Goddell.
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Details?
Does anyone know where this took place…restaurant, club, etc? Was it just a bunch of yelling between the two…or is it true BMarsh held her up against the wall?
by bronco-Maine-iac on Mar 6, 2009 1:31 PM MST reply actions
If the police report was so reliable....
I don’t think the judge would have been so quick to dismiss. A dismissal is a legal decision that no offense occured.
A lot of this doesn't make sense.
For example, the paper’s say that the disorderly conduct charge was dismissed because the two wouldn’t testify against each other. This makes no sense to me – disorderly conduct is a crime against the peace, not against another person. Maybe this was a way to cover a problem with the incident report? For example, if the “pinning” happened before the police arrived then the judge would need testimony to prove it.
On the other hand, the Denver taxi incident was also dismissed, but not until two months later. Anyone know what the grounds for dismisal were?
You are getting legal advice from reporters......
Ask a lawyer how the charge could have been dismissed. Because in Marshall’s past the CHARGES were dropped because his ex would not testify against him.
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Reporters are cheaper than lawyers,
particularly if it’s not your own a##. But seriously, I think I’m incorrect in drawing an analogy between the two dismissals, as the Denver taxi incident was a domestic violence charge and thus probably requires testimony from the victim.
The taxi incident was not a dismissal.
The charges were dropped…which is different than having the judge dismiss the case.
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Well, maybe
Charges are dropped or dismissed only by the Court. The Court can dismiss because the prosecution moves for dismissal, or the Court can dismiss after a hearing or trial if the court finds that the prosecution did not meet their burden of proof.
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Ahh, yes.
The charges were dismissed, meaning there were charges to begin with. This recent case, nothing ever got charged and he was never booked. It looks more like the officers just locked them both up for an hour or two under disorderly conduct and released them. That’s the differences I was trying to get at. I hate lawyer-speak!
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Dropped vs. Dismissed
Zappa hit the nail on the head. According to my lawyer friend that’s a critical distinction. Charges can be dropped for any number of reasons, frequently a deal. But a dismissal is an offical court ruling.
And Snaggins you are correct, the judge wouldn’t just dismiss it because the two wouldn’t testify IF the police actually had any evidence. It almost sounds to me as if the cops should up, asked what wa going on, then arrested them based on their testamony. That would violate their 5th ammendment rights and be thrown out. Then if the cops hadn’t actually seen anything the judge would have to dismiss everything. That’s the scenario that seems to fit the best, although it is mostly conjecture.
According to the Atlanta paper
the officers witnessed the shoving and striking, so there would be no need for the prosecution to have Brandon or his girl friend to testify, in order to get a conviction.
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The 5th amendment
It is not a violation of the 5th Amendment for an officer to ask questions. A person can decline to answer however, based on the 5th Amendment. If the person does answer, his statement can be used against him.
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That's the thing I noticed very early in this deal...
I never say the word “Charged” or “charged with”…that is a major deal, especially to Goddell.
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The dismissal..
….would only have happened upon the prosecuting attorney moving to dismiss. The Judge would not have dismissed it unless the prosecution wanted it dismissed.
Pretty unusual, to say the least, that a charge involving an incident early on sunday was dismissed on Monday morning.
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It probably isn't all that unusual.
It is more unusual to hear about a case like this in the national media. I am sure you would be surprised to find out how many incidents happen early Sunday morning and are dismissed a few hours later. lol
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About zero, in my experience
I am sure you would be surprised to find out how many incidents happen early Sunday morning and are dismissed a few hours later. lol
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My opinion:
If team officials truly believe he is a “changed man,” then we stick with him. If not…trade him before we lose him without something in return.
come on now
please read the statements in this post…..which is hands down the best collection of information on Brandon’s past that i have seen, everyone should rec this just for the effort put forth to collect this information.
would any of you defend a co-worker that has a history like that.
would any of you defend a player in the NFL with a history like that, if he wasnt on the broncos.
now let me say this. i truely love Brandon as a player, but it has gotten to the point where noone should look at this post and defend this man.
would anyone want there 12 year old boy to read this post, and then watch their father the following sunday cheering for brandon marshall.
Please don't take my arguments as a defending of Brandon Marshall's past behavior.
I was only asking that you not make Marshall’s past behavior the sole basis focal point of your argument that he is not a changed man. I will change my tune drastically if things escalate, but this if his first infraction in a year and it was a fairly minor one at that. Because of that fact, I am willing to give him on mulligan in his path towards changing his life. This incident was his one mulligan. Now if the incident was worse than it was then my mindset would be different, but the charges were dismissed and nothing came of it except bad press and that alone might be enough to get him suspended.
You argument also says that former alcoholics never change and should just continue drinking with no hope of recovery…some with drug users. We should never give anyone a chance to change their life and if they slip up once then they must and should be condemned for all eternity. It just seems overly dramatic. And it seems like you want to see him punished more for what he has done in his past, so in a way you are more upset that he has not been punished enough for past incidents…not so much for punishment for this current one.
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my final take
i dont believe that my arguments have set the stage for the type of attitude that “former alcoholics never change and should just continue drinking with no hope of recovery”.
in fact what i am trying to get at, is that brandon has a history. his history has manifested again, and if he wasn’t a pro athlete, everyone in society would conclude that this man has a problem.
people who have problems, addictions, inner demons will tell you that they didn’t recover from these problems by being given a “mulligan”
they recovered by surrounding themselves with the proper support system. to give Brandon a mulligan is to do him a disservice.
please read this article on Jerramy stevens:
if you decide to read this article. take some time to think about what society does with pro athletes. i am not comparing the actions of Jerramy to the actions of Brandon.
i am however trying to make two seperate points.
a) it is one thing to cheer for the denver broncos, but to do any defense of a man of this character is failing to hold another human being responsible for their actions both past and present.
b)making the point that defending brandon on the pretense that some of you have also had fights with your wife is:
1) an insult to those of us that have done our best to avoid being arrested, and try our hardest to set a proper example for the people (however few) that look up to us.
2) it sends the wrong message to our youth….who are the future leaders of this country. no one person should ever be given a mulligan for this type of behavior, and anyone who thinks that one year without an infraction, then a minor infraction makes it acceptable for everyone else to forgive a man is doing not only that man a disservice, but everyone else in this country who are forced to play by the rules a disservice.
Very well said
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
Glad to see that Nuehessial got punished for allowing this type of behavoir
Oh wait, he is still coaching, can’t wait to see the dirt bags he recruits to UCLA.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
My coworkers cannot be suspended...
for their personal actions on their own time unless it directly affects their on-the-job performance. Nor can most Americans. We, unlike the NFL, are entitled to due process.
Unless their actions are highly publicized and reflect poorly on your employer?
I voted for a Mulligan, so I’m playing Devil’s Advocate here. Athletes are held to a different standard, e.g. Michael Phelps.
I cannot compare Brandon to other individuals.
Maybe it is that libertarian streak in me, but I don’t like to lump people in to groups for better analysis. I’ll compare Brandon in regards to talent, but not personality or future intent. I don’t think its fair to convict Brandon of offenses he hasn’t yet committed just because someone else went through something different and raped someone. I get what you are trying to say, I just don’t agree with it. We will have to agree to disagree on BMarsh. ;-)
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sometime next year we will both be smiling along with BMarsh and the Broncos
after a 75 yard touchdown catch and run that defied all belief. ;-)
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Seems like Brandon's bigger issue may be with drinking
I don’t condone violence against women, but seems like many of his issues look to stem from drinking. Maybe if he came out and said look, I have a problem, I will seek treatment for my problem, and I will take responsibility for it. Sometimes it’s hard to admit you have a problem when you are Brandon’s age and you think you are invincible. I could see him having a Chris Carter type of career where once he admits to his problems, gets help, he could become a HOF.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
You may have a point there...
I wouldn’t be surprised if Marshal doesn’t abstained, or significantly cut back during the season. Then get careless in the off-season.
That is part of the equation no one talks about...
He may not be an alcoholic, but he appears to turn into a different person after several drinks…..
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Appears to fall into the angry/emotional drunk, I hate those guys
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
He is busy peddling his latest book.
I hate that bastard…the pox that plagues husbands everywhere!!!!!!!
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Great piece!
Loved the highlight reel at the end. I think we should be expecting a suspension from Goodell for this. i say 4 games at least. We should trade for Holt from the Rams to be our #1 WR while Marshall is out at the beginning of the season. I heard he wants out of St Louis and could be had for a 4th round pick. He’s only 32 so he’s got some gas left in the tank. Then when Marshall returns we have a solid 1-2 punch and can move Royal to the slot.
Wow, only a 4th rounder?
I would do that trade in a heartbeat, do you know what the contract situation is with Holt? How many years and how much is left on the deal.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
+1
Mile High Holt!
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy...Just solid guy not souper star break you bank. I turn guy." - Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Mar 6, 2009 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
Source: http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6716591#6716591
“Holt is in the final year of his contract and is scheduled to count $10.2 million against the salary cap”.
Ouch, that's a big number
I wonder if he would be willing to redo it for say 3 years at 5 million a year.
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"McDaniels must go!" - Broncoman
I think the deciding factor for the cut itself
was the 1.25 million roster bonus he was due. And, to address your question, I think he would definitley be willing to take less, and to rework it to a cap friendly deal.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 6, 2009 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
Especially tp play with utler, marshall and this high octane offense...he would be over the moon!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
I agree on the orange jerseys
Those should be our primary home jerseys for sure. I also would love to see a throwback jesrey game this year. Bring back the D helmets for a game for old times sake!
+1
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy...Just solid guy not souper star break you bank. I turn guy." - Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Mar 6, 2009 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
the arrests HAVE TO STOP
I think there are some salient points here, Zappa, but I honestly feel that if Brandon was truly a changed man, he simply wouldn’t put himself in situations where this sort of outcome is even possible. (See Daryl Gardner at IHOP.)
I know it’s a free country and young guys are allowed to have fun. But this most recent arrest happened at 5 AM, correct? How about showing me you’re a changed man by not staying up partying until 5 AM?
I truly love Brandon and I want him to stay a Bronco. But more than that, I want him to get his act together for his own sake.
While I’m very proud of him for staying out of trouble for a year or so, I just can’t agree that this is a minor instance. The fact that this comes after a year or so of good behavior makes it more confounding, IMO. I was happy to see him engaged. Now I question his maturity in making even that decision. Is he ready for the responsibility? Marriage is full of very difficult situations. Arguments happen a lot. There is a fine line between the tone and tenor of a “lover’s quarrel” and an abusive relationship, sometimes even in the mind of the participants.
All I’m saying is that this man is a role model to kids. Football players are held to a higher standard for a reason. That’s why you get the big bucks and TV commercials. He needs to make better decisions about his personal life. I sincerely hope he does. For his own sake as much as the team’s and fans’. These debates are getting old. That’s why I think people are frustrated.
I do appreciate your comments, though. It is important not to prejudge, and really no one can really know what’s going on with him but him. I’m just praying we don’t see another headline like this one soon, a year from now, or ten years from now.
"Hey guy worm has turn...We need all kind of crazy fool on defence. Like ten new guy...Just solid guy not souper star break you bank. I turn guy." - Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Mar 6, 2009 3:38 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I don't disagree with your sentiment.
I’m just giving Brandon this one mulligan…another incident even one as legally dismissive as this one and all bets are off. I don’t think BMarsh is ready for marriage and his fiance had better look long and hard at Brandon’s past and his anger problems. From what it sounds like, Brandon has a good heart but a poor family structure and that could be where a lot of his anger could come from. I really think his counseling sessions should continue and hopefully McD and Bowlen will make an issue of it and get him back into therapy. Some people need that for extended periods of time because it is so hard to overcome a lifetime of screwed up people messing up your head.
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A little tough love
is what he needs now. Exactly right.
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by broncosmontana on Mar 6, 2009 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
"Freedom...
isn’t free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don’t all chip in
We’ll never pay that bill
Freedom isn’t free
No, there’s a hefty in’ fee.
And if you don’t throw in your buck ’o five
Who will?"
- TAWP
Sorry...
broncosmontana. I saw your free country statement and just had to throw some Team America in there. But I agree with you, B-Marsh isn’t helping his cause by putting himself in these situations.
I believe that B-Marsh does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. If it’s not one thing it’s another with him, and i’m not sure he will ever fully change. I do think that he probably has made some progress over the last year to a certain degree, but he has shown us once again that he has little control over his emotions. I’m not a psychologist, although I do have a psychology degree, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn the young Brandon had a similar relationship with his mother as he does with his partners and somehow is seeking these relationships out of some kind of inner psychological need, in a bad habit kind of way.
lol I think BMarsh got home at 5am in the morning and his woman was PISSED OFF.
That’s just my theory on the whole thing.
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+1
"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
I am a little gratified
to see how quickly our new HC invited him into the office for a chat to discuss it. Now that the line has presumably been drawn, the ball is in B Marsh’s court. Don’t screw it up, Brandon.
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No benefit of the doubt
Once you punch a woman in the face you are never going to receive the benefit of the doubt in any sort of domestic dispute, nor should you.
There are tons of domestic violence arrests which involve no physical violence and which can easily be dismissed as nothing more than heated arguments which happened to attract police attention. When there is no history of physical abuse these incidents tend to be forgotten.
Every argument that Marshall has for the rest of his life is going to be cast in a different light and judged by different standards because he has already established himself as a physically abusive person.
It may not be fair but it isn’t exactly unfair either as his own actions earned him the stigma.
You make a valid point...
I’d have a hard time being as forgiving of a regular guy with BMarsh’ record…in fact, I would even look upon the guy with contempt. Alas, we hold these celebrity athlete’s up to a different standard. Right or wrong, it’s the way it is. That video up there shows why I am so willing to give him a mulligan, but every man has his limits. Some of you have reached your limit already, others, like me, are nearing their limit, while some will forgive until the end of time.
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You know, that is probably one thing I didn't really account for in my post.
We all have different levels of tolerance for this sort of behavior. My skin must be a little thicker than some or I am blinded by the talent I see on the football field. I only pray this is the last hear of Marshall’s legal problems….
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Whoa there; when did he EVER punch a woman in the mouth?
His GF accused him of throwing a cell phone or remote at her and he hit the window of her taxi. But I’ve never seen any reports of him actually hitting a woman.
I agree SWG...I have never seen or heard these accusations....lets not make it any bigger than it is!
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It was in a previous accusation. read the laundry list of offenses.
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Nice post Zappa
This Irishman thinks a mulligan is a mighty good idea…Marshall is a good person he is just passionate and he needs to control that passion. His past discretions are unfortunate but hopefully he is continuing to grow. Word is he is grown alot already.
I support Brandon Marshall.
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NIce post Zappa
It is always easier to look back and say this person should have done this.
I think Marshall get a mulligan for this, however he needs to start being aware of the situation so as to avoid this in the future. He did go one solid year between the last incident, so I think that counts for something. I hope, I mean I really hope, that Marshall really learns from this.
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+1000
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by broncosmontana on Mar 6, 2009 7:24 PM MST up reply actions
Isn't that the incident where
she supposedly pulled a knife on him? I’m not saying Brandon doesn’t have troubles, but let’s not be too quick to label him as an abuser. He obviously has issues and I’m inclined to think Broncoman is onto something regarding drinking. But the truth is that none of us really know what went down and I have serious doubts regarding the objectivity of MSM reports.
I am not labeling him as an abuser.
I am just saying he needs to be aware of things around him. If she did pull a knife on him, then this is someone he should think twice about continuing forward with. I totally agree with you on anything from the MSM.
2007-08 MVP: Kobe Bryant
Cutler's 4th qtr/OT game winning drives: 9
This is the NFL
If you can play you will. The NFL is a thug league full of criminals.. so at least we have a criminal that can catch the ball.
Domestic Abuse
Marshall is clearly an abuser. All of these incidents paint a picture eerily similar to the current Chris Brown/Rhianna relationship. Brandon Marshall needs help. He is an abuser and needs to learn that is never acceptable to behave this way towards women. He will hit her again. Just this police blotter here shows a classic cycle of violence.
How many free passes does he get? He deserves to be in jail, not making millions playing a game.
It is certainly a possiblity
but an all-out accusation should be reserved for the professionals that deal with him. I am hoping that this isn’t a case where justice isn’t being served because he’s famous or anything like that. But he has not been accused of those sorts of crimes by the police and DAs whose job it is to charge him if he is at fault. To the degree that the charges aren’t being handled properly in Atlanta, I really can’t speak to, but based on what others have said regarding those types of accusations in Colorado, I suspect that they (the authorities) won’t take Marshall’s case lightly, and that if he is guilty of something they will see to it that justice is served. For now I trust that the authorities that are handling this are all doing their jobs.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 10, 2009 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions
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