A Mock
I've decided to jump into the fray and take a whack at my first mock. This is only the first attempt and there will be others.
For this first attempt, I'll be using DrafTek's Big Board, found here. Keeping the DrafTek Big Board at hand will allow readers to evaluate the decisions that I make, so you may want to open a second window and flip back and forth. You can also look at some of the other prospects that I won't mention and decide whether you believe they could better meet our needs.
In order to help readers evaluate how efficiently this mock meets the Broncos' goal of picking the Best Athlete Available (hereafter BPA), I'll place a negative score next to each pick with the term -- REACH: (-1, etc.), which indicates how much the pick fell below where that player was ranked on DrafTek's big board.
RESTRICTIONS -- Only players who fall below the Broncos' projected draft slot can be considered available for drafting. The very best number under these conditions will be a zero, which indicates that no value was lost in the selection.
STRATEGY -- There will be an emphasis on conserving value while meeting needs. Some picks are made because of my own personal evaluations but there are almost no instances in which I deviate much from the Big Board's values, and all deviations can be partly justified on a need/positional basis. I will comment in the discussion section when I do this and provide my rationale for the action.
There are goals other than preserving value however, needs are also important, so a perfect draft would consist of meeting team needs AND wasting no value -- which is highly unrealistic. Since I don't have a formal measure for how well this mock meets our needs, I'll discuss the idea at the end and evaluate the mock's strengths and shortcomings, which should provide some guidance for the next version.
A final note before starting -- this is a formal exercise designed to produce maximum utility. Many of you may disagree with DrafTek's Big Board rankings, and I do also. The point of this exercise is NOT to criticize their Big Board. We expect that the Broncos will have their own Big Board. Therefore, the point of this exercise is to produce a draft that maximizes BPA while meeting needs, and this can be partly measured by the REACH scores. Success at meeting needs will be more controversial and can be discussed at the end.
ROUND 1
#12 - Rey Maualuga, ILB (REACH: - 6)
ROUND 2
#48 - Ron Brace, DT (REACH: -2)
ROUND 3
#79 - Derrick Williams, WR (REACH: -1)
ROUND 4
#110 - Sherrod Martin, CB/S (REACH: -3)
ROUND 5(a)
#132 - Scott McKillop, ILB (REACH: -5)
ROUND 5
#141 - Tyronne Greene, OG (REACH: -4)
ROUND 6
#172 - Sammie Lee Hill, DE34 (REACH: -4)
ROUND 7
#208 - Orion Martin, OLB34 (REACH: -3)
ROUND 7(b)
#218 - Roy Miller, DT (REACH: -1)
DISCUSSION
The total REACH score is 29, for an average REACH of 3.22. This a fairly efficient draft in terms of BPA if one considers that most of the picks are very close to the Big Board value. The deviations from the BB values are explained below and always involve positional logic but there are a few small overrides, which are also explained.
PICK 1 - Rey Maualuga, ILB ( -6). Choosing Maualuga rather than the greater values; Knowshon Moreno, RB ( -2), Tyson Jackson, DE34 ( -3). Brian Cushing, OLB ( -4), is an arguable decision when looked at from a value standpoint. My feeling was that Maualuga was undervalued (an override) and filled a continuing need on the Broncos. There are strong arguments that could be made for any of the other three, when looking at need. The best argument might be for Cushing, who fills both a need and impact area, and also has the versatility to fill other areas.
PICK 2 - Ron Brace, NT ( -2). This pick met both need and value considerations. A greater value would be Patrick Chung, SS ( -1). Another obvious choice would be William Moore, S ( -4), which would be an override based on his undervalued status. And I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of Brian Robiskie, WR ( 0), who fits several criteria. He looks like the kind of player that McDaniels likes and WR can now be considered a need area based on Marshall's legal problems. Ultimately, it was the importance of NT that led to the decision.
PICK 3 - Derrick Williams, WR ( -1). Strong consideration was given to picking Andy Levitre, OG ( - 3), at this spot. If I knew that he was a good fit for a ZB scheme then I would have picked him instead. Derrick Williams also had some things going for him, too. As a KR and playmaker, he had some important assets other than just value and filling a need. Other possible picks; Andre Brown, RB ( -4) and Dorell Scott, DT/DE34 ( -8), make some sense.
PICK 4 - Sherrod Martin, FS/CB ( -3). The pick of Sherrod Martin fulfilled a need better than the competing CB choices. Martin may become a CB, too, but his use to the team as a FS was a dominant factor. If Derrick William hadn't been the choice in the 3rd then Jarett Dillard, WR ( 0), would have been a perfect choice here.
PICK 5(a) - Scott McKillop, ILB ( -5), I bypassed Glen Coffee ( 0) to reach 5 spots here. The justification was that there was a greater, and continuing, need at ILB. A pick such as Kevin Barnes, CB ( -2) could also be justified. The lack of ILBs currently on the roster struck me as a greater need.
PICK 5 - Tyronne Greene, OG ( -4). This pick is actually a tie between A. Q. Shipley, OC ( -3) and Greene. Shipley had a very slight lead according to DrafTek's Big Board but I broke the tie by going with the greater need (albeit arguable). My personal feeling is that replacing Ben Hamilton may be more important than replacing Casey Wieigmann. The presence of Kory Lichtensteiger made the pick of another OC, Shipley, somewhat less important. Oddly, I recently suggested that Shipley's arm length was too short (and his height is concern, too), but his combine showed he's an excellent athlete so I'll call this pick a tie and let others argue the merits. I do like the idea of an OL at this point though, so I like either pick here.
PICK 6 - The pick of Sammie Lee Hill, DE34 ( -4), at this point was easy. One of the positional goals was to add at as many defensive positions as possible, and DE34 is still un-adddressed at this point.
PICK 7 - This pick, of Orion Martin, OLB34 ( -3), is easy, too, as OLB34 is still unaddressed -- somewhat surprisingly.
PICK 7(b) - This pick, Roy Miller, NT ( -1), was also fairly easy, considering the importance of NT and Roy Miller's performance at the combine, which showed he clearly is a superior athlete. Some consideration was given to picking Trimane Goddard, SS ( -4) and Dan Gronkowski, TE ( 0). I'd prefer to see more than one Safety picked by the Broncos in the draft and Goddard is undervalued. I'm also mindful of the lack of offensive players and Gronkowski 'looks' like a good player. It would also make great sense to ignore the Big Board this late in the draft and let postional logic determine that we take Gartrell Johnson, RB ( -18). I can't argue with that logic but I think adding to NT is pretty important, and Miller is undervalued at this spot and is rising now.
GENERAL DISCUSSION
It can be argued that this draft 'shorts' the offense, and it clearly does and somewhat purposely. It also could be argued that one of the most important areas on defense -- OLB -- has barely been addressed. A solution to this problem might be to take Cushing in the 1st instead of Maualuga. I'm guilty of ignoring the DrafTek Big Board somewhat, although the ranking difference in only one spot. Another concern is the number of DBs. Ideally, the number should be higher.
There are strengths in this mock, too. The NT position is surprisingly well covered, which was unexpected. ILB is also particularly well covered, and this is important for team building although the positional logic doesn't necessarily justify it.
I will address potential shortcomings in the next mock, but it's an unfortunate fact that meeting one need leaves one less draft pick for another area. On general grounds though, I'd like to see perhaps a little more offense and address OLB earlier -- if possible. The 'layout' of the prospects made this difficult, and it would have necessitated some big reaches in cases. However, there were opportunities, but they would have taken from the strengths and I don't know if that's desirable.
This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR
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Mad props...
primarily b/c you picked my boy Derrick Williams!!!
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by bcfunk on Mar 8, 2009 2:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
don't know much about him
I’ve looked him up before and paid attention to him in the combine and Senior Bowl. My impression is somewhat mixed but I don’t have enough information.
The logic of picking him at that point was based on the importance of adding a WR and another KR. It was also a very good time to pick a WR, and there’s a long void until some other desirable choice appear, which meant picking any of them would be a massive reach — as per the structure of the exercise.
BTW — The pick of Williams eliminated a problem one round later when Jarett Dillard was the value choice. The choice between Dillard and Sherrod Martin would have been tough but the need at Safety would have still tipped the choice to him. The resulting scenario would have left the Broncos without a WR for the meanwhile. The chances for a contributer don’t get much better after that, and they tend to wind up being reaches — 5(a) #132 Brandon Gibson ( -6); 5(b) #141 Patrick Turner ( -1).
I guess it depends on what you think of them. There’s not a lot of choice though, so it could be bad if you don’t rate them highly. I’m looking at the need at WR to be elevated now that Marshall has recidivism problems.
by Colinski on Mar 8, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He played at a rival HS team where I grew up and
so I kept an eye on him from there to Penn State. A good friend I grew up knows him well and can’t say enough good things about his character and how his play will translate to the next level. He’s a perfect fit for McD (can do it all…very versatile). Also bear in mind that he never had a consistent QB at Happy Valley. Think Eddie Royal 2.0.
Scouting Report here and here…
for a nice highlight video, see here…
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by bcfunk on Mar 8, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
His combine 40-yd. time was poor
Let’s hope that his value is depressed enough to allow us to draft him this late.
We chose Royal despite his unimpressive statistics. Sometimes it takes an apparent flaw or two to scare off the competition.
I’m not set on anyone at WR, and that’s because the chances of any particular WR are low, even though the chance of finding one (non-particular one) is high. We need the playmaking and KR ability. We can’t draft Harvin but we need someone like him.
by Colinski on Mar 8, 2009 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not too concerned about his 40-time...
until they make them wear full game day gear, I’m not too concerned about 40-times… I’d be more concerned with his route running (which needs work). If he could somehow manage to slip to the late 3rd or early 4th, I’d like to see us make a move for him.
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by bcfunk on Mar 8, 2009 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW.....a more polished Anthony Alridge....he would be a good pick up. Thanks BC!
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by boydy2669 on Mar 8, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he'll be much better than AA
but point taken… In some ways, he’d fill the role we envisioned for Eddie last year before he blew up and went all “Randy Moss rookie season” on us—our new punt returner. I really don’t want Eddie to field punts this year…
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by bcfunk on Mar 8, 2009 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent mock.
I love everything but the first pick. You draw a good balance between need and BPA. The more I read about a 3-4 defense the more I think our priorities with the first two picks need to be DT and OLB, with BPA used for each position.
by swg777 on Mar 8, 2009 2:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice and well reasoned
Looking at the pro day reports, sounds like William Moore maybe moving back up some boards, heard he had a very good workout andnow some teams are starting to ask if last season play was more to do with injuries than anything else.
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by Broncoman on Mar 8, 2009 3:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
re: Moore
What I’ve noticed is that we really would like to fit 3 defensive positions in the first 4 picks but we have to have great luck or we’re stuck. We can always get 2 of the positions but things don’t seem to line up for all 3, and that’s even when we’re looking at different positions.
I started, back before the coaching change, looking at MLB, DT and S, and it’s now changed to ILB, OLB34, S and NT, but it’s still hard to get 3 of those to line up for the first 4 rounds, which is where I’d expect to find help.
by Colinski on Mar 8, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking about playing with draft tek sometime before the draft
Its not really my thing, but it sounds like it might be fun.
You mentioned an “override”…I assume that means you can tell the simulator to value a player higher than he currently is? That sounds very valuable, since a judicious use of it could be key to finding a way to get your “3 of 4” scenario you describe to come to fruition… The key of course is valuing certain prospects correctly, based on what Denver will be looking for now, which could be described as a ‘mixed bag’ at best. I can’t wait to see the new offense and defense in action. Soooo many questions to get answered.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 8, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
use of the term "override"
This is actually a passive selection process based on where DrafTek’s Big Board ranks players. Choices are merely my own, based on value/need considerations.
The simulator makes decision based on each individual’s need inputs whereas I made those choices on my own.
The interactive setting of the simulation replicates supply & demand dynamics but it takes away some of fine-tuned judgment that a decision maker would use to make an actual decision. Qualities like anticipation are hard to state formally. I knew enough to take Brace in the 2nd because I knew it might be our last chance to find an impact NT in the draft. I don’t think the DrafTek program is capable of making that kind of decision. I also don’t think it is able to respond to a run and adjust preferences accordingly. There’s also a problem with programing for things like “character” since all it works on is ranked value and filling a stated positional need.
by Colinski on Mar 8, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
more on the actual overrides
You can’t change the Big Board but you can literally grab a player you want at a stated round thus overriding all the programing output for that choice.
They have conditional logic setting that allow you to to make ‘what if’ choices, and you can enter in values such as “positional pairs” or P setting that say take another one of a position later in the draft. There’s a number inputs on the left, and you can lockout or grab a player. You can also change the team needs.
You can read it better than I can explain it. I’ve played around with it but I still haven’t used some of the settings.
by Colinski on Mar 8, 2009 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
balancing need and value
I like the idea of an OLB but the opportunity just didn’t arrive. There’s an element of luck involved, since there weren’t OLBs in the vicinity of the choice.
I think the best chance was at #12 with Cushing. The next, best opportunity is in the 2nd (#48) with Kruger (-12) and Gilbert ( -16). Big stretch. And we’d have to give up the NT that we were so lucky to find there. We could try again at 3 (#79), but we’d have to stretch all the way down to #93, Cody Brown ( -14), not much better. Then in the 4th (#110), Lawrence Sidbury Jr. is at #121, ( -11), so it just doesn’t work out for us very well.
The point is to find an impact OLB, not just anyone, and do it without sacrificing huge chunks of value. I don’t mind stretching for a good purpose but I didn’t know in each round whether the next would give me an opportunity — and it didn’t until late.
I followed the same procedure as a team would when drafting. All choices are made in order, so I didn’t know what would happen until the next round came up. And we got screwed, although I think the Orion Martin pick is a better than people realize.
by Colinski on Mar 8, 2009 3:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we should be picking any OLBs this year.
We already have Boss on the roster plus 3 projects at OLB (Doom, Moss, & Reid) and DJ could play inside or out. We need to spend the year evaluating what we really have before drafting more OLBs. On the other hand, at ILB we only have Larson, maybe WW and William. Davis is a stop gap, rotational guy who gives us some depth but I don’t see him as a long term solution. He may work very well rotating with WW though. Davis on running downs; WW on passing downs.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 8, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was my thinking, too, although I was still looking for one
I’m more than willing to throw a rookie in the midst but we weren’t well positioned.
The best argument for sticking with our currently projected OLBs — IMO — is the importance of the position. I’d rather see the position in the hands of D.J., Reid and Bailey, along with Moss and Dumervil although I don’t assume they’ll make the change smoothly, but it’s too important to use a rookie there and we still have to see how Dumervil and Moss perform before we decide whether or not someone else is needed.
I’m not projecting D.J. as an ILB at this point, and that’s why I “flooded” ILB in the draft. I flooded NT, too, but I was lucky to get the opportunity. I look at NT as needing a 3-deep rotation.
I also admit to having only a loose idea of the numbers at this point. I’m looking at something like: 7 DLs, 7-8 LBs, 7-8 DBs, for roughly 25 on defense.
by Colinski on Mar 8, 2009 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why Cushing should be the pick over Rey...
He plays all positions, brings better value and plenty of options to our D.
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by boydy2669 on Mar 8, 2009 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"...He plays all positions"
No, that’s Larsen…. :-)
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Mar 8, 2009 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larsen does too! I should have said at LB.
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by boydy2669 on Mar 8, 2009 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larsen & Hillis -- the NE-(W) Bronco way
So much attention has been given to the recent theatrics that it’s scarcely been noticed that some of our players are clearly McDaniels’ type. If versatility is a hallmark of the NE(W) Bronco type of player then both Hillis and Larsen should fare very well indeed.
by Colinski on Mar 9, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....plus they work hard, play hard, are team orientated, professional and dont provide controversy....they are my style of players too!
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by boydy2669 on Mar 9, 2009 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler brouhaha
My reaction to all the brouhaha is WT-eph! We haven’t even played a game yet! Did you really WANT to keep Webster??
The point is that the housecleaning — with all due respect to our former players — was clearly needed. And moreover, it’s not ALL the players, but the ones that most people here have been harping on replacing anyways.
This is why I’m not biting on the logic that our FA acquisitions merely represent (as the infinitely wise sportswriters have opined) a choice of quantity over quality. The FAs represent the beginnings of a foundation for the 3-4 and the replacement of players who were let go. And I’m not down on all of those players, but releasing them was a necessary step to re-building the defense. Name someone who was let go that we should have kept.
What seems to be unaccounted for are the players that are still on the roster. Moreover, our FA acquisitions should be measured according to a cap logic criterion. And the character consideration is equally important, especially if leadership is in short supply (a comment by Champ comes to mind here).
There is a considerable amount of gullibility that accompanies buying into the media narrative of the McX despotism. There were clearly players on the roster that they liked, IMO, but we’re not reading stories about how McX liked certain players after conducting their review of the team. Instead, it’s a highly imaginative narrative about an immature coach & GM acting rashly. I see ‘Koutou’ found a home in TB and Pears in Oakland. So who were the players that McX so rashly discarded? Was it them? The media and disgruntled fans are too busy reacting to their own self-created reality to examine what’s actually been done.
by Colinski on Mar 9, 2009 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agree and rec'd comment 100%
How can you fault a new regime’s aggressiveness when we (well,most of us) can agree that the old regime was an awful mess on the personnel side of things and had been for some time.
The last line rings very true, Colinski. I’m a bit shocked by the delusion that many fans (and many writers) have become so comfortable with.
What do these writers want?
A Haynesworth signing? No, too expensive.
A Derrick Ward signing? No, that goes against EVERYTHING McD’s done in the past with multiple backs with different skill sets.
A Peppers deal? No, too costly and risky.
A Suggs signing? No, too expensive.
Denver is changing their culture. I don’t know where I read it but Vrabel was talking about the regime change in KC and said something to the effect of ‘The biggest change will be that this new regime (Pioli) expects its players to have football as their #1 priority in life’.. If feel like Mc D is trying to do the same thing and instill a culture of toughness, winning, and objectivity.
I agree with everything you say and can’t think of a player that’s been cut that I though Denver should have kept.
And to any fans or writer or anyone, please end the tears over the Mike Leach vs. Paxton thing. If I had a choice to bring in a guy I was familiar with at a negligible cost, I’d do it too. Who cares? Let it be.
by super7 on Mar 9, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are talking about a frickin Long Snapper arent we????
The old Broncos are dead….and thank God. We sucked and the team had no nastiness, attitude or leadership….NONE!
Jedi McD has done more in bringing attitude to this team by signing Dawkins that the previous regime did in the last 5 seasons.
Why cant people see that we need a positive culture led by successful, high character veterans that will hold ALL players accountable.
As I always say, a CHAMPION TEAM will beat a team of champions and we are building a CHAMPION TEAM: It all starts with attitude, discipline and leadership…..and not running holiday camps for undeserving veterans!
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by boydy2669 on Mar 9, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind
that part of the ‘quantity over quality’ is that they can imply that Denver has cut every available player, and that if more were available to be cut, they would have been cut too. They use feather-light intimations of the Cutler and Scheffler fiascos to back up this non-claim, but facts are what they are. Denver cut some guys and they kept some guys.
I agree completely with your sentiment, rather than leave anything to the imagination we have a responsibility to ask why the players that were kept were, indeed, kept…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 9, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome comments 'Ski and rec'd....I agree completely!
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by boydy2669 on Mar 9, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice exercise
I agree that we have an issue at OLB and no immediate solutions. I particularly like this approach becuase it deals with a more realistic environment – instead of a wish list for each round, you had to look at the value and what would/might be available, which changes everything.I like these choices. Rec’d!
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by Emmett Smith on Mar 8, 2009 3:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree about OLB.
See my point above. ILB is now the position of need.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 8, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
where will they play?
Part of the problem is we don’t know — for certain — where some of the newer players will play. I had read about plans to move Reid but had forgotten where he would go, in large part because I had just been looking at a projected depth chart by someone who thought he was an ILB. It’s easy to get confused at this point, and positions are a little too fluid.
I can still justify selecting a ‘rush’ OLB because of the impact nature of the position and the amount of potential R-OLBs in this crop. The justification isn’t need, however, but importance. And the problem is that we’re not really going to know whether we needed R-OLBs till next season, long after the draft. This, along with many other issues, should be posed to McDaniels & Nolan when reporters have the chance to interview them.
by Colinski on Mar 9, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reid is an Adallius Thomas type as well as being a beast on ST..
He will be used as OLB/ DE type, in lots of different looks.
I love the guys they are bringing in: Diamonds in the rough with MAD upside, good mix of team leading veterans and role players.
I am happy.
I am hoping for a GREAT draft as well.
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by boydy2669 on Mar 9, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
our focus on the draft
I find the draft exciting but expectations of rookie saviors are usually unrealistic, so the most important steps to rebuilding for next year are the FAs. And I, like most people, don’t have a very good grip on them yet.
The draft is exciting because it represents the future but FAs are the present. Building a foundation is hardly exciting but it’s nonetheless important.
by Colinski on Mar 9, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
FAs
across the board, all the free agents we have signed, in addition to being very cap-friendly signings seem to be upgrades over the players they replace. The MSM has their heads….well you know.
Dawkins/Hill v. McCree/Manual – geez this is a no-brainer
Goodman v. Bly – maybe a wash ability wise, but a smart cap move when coupled with the DJ restructure.
Fields v. Robertson – upgrade based on 3-4 and good cap move
Buchhalter, Arrington, Jordan v. Aldridge, Bell, & Pope – is there anyone who doesn’t think these 3 new FAs aren’t an upgrade?
Paxton v. Leach – okay on the surface this looks like a wash, but I don’t begrudge a new coach wanting some familiar faces around who have already bought into his system.
Gabbney v. Russel – who?? another no-brainer
Reid v. Ekuban – personally I liked EK, but I can see where Reid is a better fit for the future.
Davis v. Webster/K2 – another no-brainer.
Across the board, with the exception of the Paxton/Leach issues, all the FAs are significant upgrade over the 2008 players they replace. The MSM is looking for sensational signings so that have something to write about. They are so obsessed with the sensational that they miss the significant.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 9, 2009 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
ha ha when you look at it that way I cant see WHY NOT? good point SWG
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 9, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agreed.....
Upgrades based just on playing ability.
Now, look at the MASSIVE upgrades with reagrds to intangibles like leadership, professionalism and preparation.
I feel so much better with our defense, and we have not even played yet.
We need some veteran leadership on the offense….I honestly believe that Cutler and Co need this as much as our D needed it.
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by boydy2669 on Mar 9, 2009 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, now that I thik about it...
It looks like Gafney actually replaces D-Jackson so I guess that make all the difference in the world. No wonder the MSM is down on our FA signings ROTFLMAO
by SlowWhiteGuy on Mar 9, 2009 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Mock Colinski
I do have a question. I see that it would be a reach to Take Ramses Barden with the 79th pick considering that it would be quite a jump of 10 spots. What do you think of something like that. I am not going to try and advocate any player but the situation. What would you think of a guy who is projected later but we grab. Royal would be a good example from last year. He wasn’t projected as high as we went for him and we “reached” with that pick. So lets say we go WR like you mocked with #79. Could we go to say #89 on the Big Board? Would we?
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 8, 2009 4:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It actually was a thought, and I was going to list him as an alternate
The structure of the exercise asks that we accept the values on the Big Board to a large degree. I do use judgment within a confined range though.
It’s not a problem to say I’ll pick Barden because we need a big WR (a stated positional need) and he’s undervalued.
The truth is that it’s not necessarily a completely realistic draft scenario. However, the one advantage it has is that it forces an economy on choices. And that also requires that the person making the choices NOT look ahead or work backwards to use retrospective logic. I actually didn’t know precisely where players were going to be on the updated Big Board so I was making naive choices, and I stuck to them. The later rounds are influenced by earlier choices but I didn’t use the outcome of a later choice to go back and re-select earlier choices. I also didn’t cherry pick by reading the BB and seeing when people went and adjusting my choices accordingly. This presumes omniscience and is the type of mock that I detest.
The fixed nature of the Big Board allowed me to take the draft exercise as if it were a real draft, but it also allowed me the leeway to use my own judgment unlike the simulator. I like the idea of the simulations but some of them strike me as lacking something.
by Colinski on Mar 8, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
after reading and recommending yours I am trying my own exercise.
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Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 8, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love me that kid....he would be a good player to pick up.
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by boydy2669 on Mar 8, 2009 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rey Maualuga is a big NO. We need Cushings/raji/Jackson @ 12.
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by Hogblog on Mar 8, 2009 4:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
But it’s also fair to note that we have at least one ILB slot open, and two if DJ should prefer OLB orLarsen is used at FB. We have the option of using WW at OLB, Bailey as well (however briefly), DJ, Doom and Moss. That’s not a bad group, although some in it are open questions.
It’s also reasonable to consider the possibility that we need both, which is my own opinion. At that point, we would make a decision based on the perception of one player over another as fitting our system. Do we have concerns regarding Cushings injury history that we feel outweigh his upside? I’m not taking either side, but framing the question. Maualuga has some concerns, so does Cushing and so does Tyson. I think that if BJ Raji is there that we have to take him, but I doubt that he will be. If he’s not – I could see going in any of those three directions.
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by Emmett Smith on Mar 8, 2009 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont worry about Cushing injury history and more worry that Rey is a 2 down player. Cushing is definitely a 3 down player and a good rusher.
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by boydy2669 on Mar 8, 2009 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's plenty of scouts and 'draftniks' who would disagree that...
Cushing is a three down player. There’s plenty of conversation about both SC backers ending up as 2 down guys at least in the first few years.
by super7 on Mar 8, 2009 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats cool.....I wont agree with them then....
Cushing gives you the option of running so many different looks: at ILB, OLB, Off the edge, as a DE….hes a great rusher and have watched him for his career. He brings a lot to the table.
Thanks Super.
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by boydy2669 on Mar 8, 2009 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you...
Good comment.
Its a tough pick between the two.
by super7 on Mar 8, 2009 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep 7 wont be super bummed if we get Rey though!!!
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