Bleeding Blue and Orange untill we die

by sadaraine on Apr 1, 2009 12:35 AM MDT Comment 50 comments

I'm in shock as are many of my brothers and sisters after hearing Bowlen drop the hammer on the mess that is the Cutler situation. I'm going to use this post to get out my frustrations on this and share with you all where I'm at. I encourage you all to throw up your support for our organization below...or heckle me...or sniff more glue...have some kool-aid and let's get this off-season started!

Cutler: You are a wretched excuse for a man. I can understand you having hurt feelings for being mentioned in a trade. I can understand you not trusting McDaniels after he stood up to you and told you where you stand in the organization. What I can not do is understand how you can take a paycheck (and a VERY large one at that) from one of the finest owners in the league and then not return his calls. That is THE final straw for me as it has been for Bowlen. I now lump you with the Raiders and the Cowboys as my NFL enemies. I look forward to seeing you chew turf many times with your future team as you will no longer have the protection of our class A Offensive line.

Years from now when McDaniels is still coaching Denver and we are back in the playoff hunt (finally!) I hope you look back and realize what a collossal f-up you are.

McDaniels: Coach, I have your back. I love where you are going with our team and I look forward to MANY years with you as our coach. I know you have the goods, now show us to the promise land...improve our defense and get our offense straightened out.

It should be stated that you blew it with a VERY talented QB. I'm upset by how this went down even though you were doing your job. That being said, find us a QB that can work your system and let's get this ball rolling.

Bronco Fans: Whether you are pro McDaniels or pro Cutler makes no difference at this point. We now have an opportunity to get some great value from trading a very talented QB that no longer wants to be on OUR team. Coaches come and go...as do players...but the Broncos never fade.

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I will always be a Broncos fan;

however, that doesn’t mean they’re above criticism.

It’s hard for me to ignore the fact that barely three months ago we were a team that was a few key defensive acquisitions (and some scheme adjustments) short of a SB caliber team.

We now have a HC that has never coached a game in his life. We have a GM who has never led a team through a draft in his life. We have NO QB (remember it can take decades to find a good QB). We are starting from scratch on defense (and offense really). And the team and Broncos Nation is in a state of total and utter chaos.

I’ll wait and see…but things do not seem to be going well. Someone should be held accountable.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 12:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

If you want proof that things are not going well...

we have f’ing dolphins fans (DOLPHINS FANS!!!) telling us that we’re going through ‘tough times’. Doesn’t get much worse than that.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 12:51 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs

Hey the bloggers from other teams are just here to discuss the Cutler trade

and get some feedback you dont have to be an asshole

by MauMontaV5 on Apr 1, 2009 1:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Was I talking to you?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 1:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes sir

by MauMontaV5 on Apr 1, 2009 2:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dolphins had a better team last year

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Apr 1, 2009 3:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cheer for them then.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 6:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Look, I didn't talk Cutler into being a jackass

so please don’t take it out on me. Actually, it could get “worse than that.” Fans of teams that actually are bad, like Detroit, could feel sorry for us. That would be demeaning.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Apr 1, 2009 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kind of splitting hairs isn't it?

Detroit was 0-16 this year and Miami was 1-15 last year.

That was my point when I said it’s pretty bad when Miami fans are saying we’re going through ‘tough times’.

I didn’t mean to ‘take it out’ on you; however, it felt like you were siding with a guy that goes to random threads on other teams sites at volatile times and calls them an ‘asshole’ for pointing out that it’s pretty low when fans of a team that had a 1-15 season a year ago say the Broncos are going through ‘tough times’. I didn’t resort to an ad hominen argument…I don’t see why he thought he needed to.

I don’t troll his site and wait for him to make a negative comment about another team on a thread and comment that has nothing to do with me so I can jump in and call him an ‘asshole’. I don’t see why he feels entitled to do it here. It might be a different story if I’d made the comment on his post.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Miami was 11-5 THIS year, though

and I wasn’t “siding” with anyone. Nonetheless, I don’t think they were acting like jerks. It seemed like they were acting pretty decent. Maybe I missed something that you saw.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Apr 1, 2009 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...he called me an asshole. That fits squarely into my definition of 'acting like jerks'.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also...

I don’t believe that the Dolphins had a ‘better team’. ‘Better’ can be a pretty ambiguous and subjective term. Did you mean they were ‘better’ because they had a better record? Are teams with a higher winning percentage always ‘better’ than teams with a lower winning percentage? Are they ‘better’ because they beat us head to head? Well…I seem to remember a pretty close game that could have gone either way and some pretty questionable ref calls going the Dolphins way. Are the Bobcats better than the Lakers (Lakers are 1-5 against the Bobcats this season)? Or did you mean the were ‘better’ because you like them ‘better’?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with Parcells that you are what your record says you are

With our point differential we were lucky to be 8-8.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Apr 1, 2009 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn’t expect such a radical oversimplification from you.

So you’re saying that 9-7 teams are always ‘better teams’ than ‘8-8’ teams?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

(I know that’s wasn’t the Dolphins record…I was just creating a hypothetical example).

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even in this example,

if the Broncos had beat the Dolphins then both teams would be 9-7.

I don’t know if you remember that game; however, it’d be pretty fair to say the refs ‘gave’ that game to the Dolphins (I try to refrain from blaming the refs but this was a pretty grievous example of a poor refereeing significantly impacting the outcome of a game. I know the Broncos got the benefit of some poor calls this season too; however, I’m just pointing out how close these teams were to having the same record…perhaps only a single play away.)

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not if they're only one game apart, but 11-5 is pretty unambiguously better than 8-8

You can spin scenarios all you want, but there are also scenarios in which we end up 6-10. Basically, it all comes out in the wash and the team with the better record, especially if it’s several games better, is the better team. This last season, yes, I think anyone who’s not biased either way would say the Dolphins were better than we were. And by the way, he didn’t call you an asshole. Go back and read the post. He’s saying that’s what the Broncos were in effect admitting to with regards to their dealings with Cutler, and I happen to strongly disagree and said so in a response on the thread one of them started. But to say that he called you personally a name is just being hypersensitive. We’re all kind of raw over what’s happened. Let’s not get carried away.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Apr 1, 2009 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have to say

For my intentions of this post and the discussion of it I was WAY off in left field. Can’t believe it’s been hijacked by debate on Miami.

Oh well…go Broncos!

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Apr 1, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, Sadaraine

Kinda snowballed.

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Apr 1, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

My mistake...I was thinking they were 10-6.

Either way…switch the ref’s call and it’s the difference between 9-7 and 10-6 which is not ‘unambiguously better’.

I don’t think we’re talking about the same comment. I’m refering to the comment towards the top of this thread.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

clarification:

Obviously 10-6 is an ‘unambiguously better’ record than 9-7; however, it’s not necessarily an indication of an ‘unambiguously better’ team.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Good point PNB…You seem like more of a “cup-is-half-empty” kinda guy. I’m the other way around. We’re making progress and are going to come out of this just fine.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Apr 1, 2009 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Love your style...I am the same.

Its only frickin’ April!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Apr 1, 2009 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm really not usually a pessimist by nature.

However, I don’t believe in blind optimism either. Unfortunately I don’t see a lot of cause for optimism right now.

Like I said above, we went from a team that was a few key defensive moves away from a SB contender (imo) to a team with a rookie HC, rookie GM, no proven QB, and in a state of disarray. I’m having a hard time putting a positive spin on that.

If the Broncos were a corporation that I owned stock in then let’s just say I’d be looking for other investment opportunities. Like I said, I will always be a Broncos fan; however, they seem to be making some pretty poor decisions starting with the dismissal of Mike Shanahan. I think we took our situation for granted and made some hasty decisions that will end up hurting us. We have dismissed a HC, a QB, and a management team that most NFL teams would kill for.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

In other words, I am seriously concerned that we are watching a team in the process of ensuring mediocrity, or worse, for several years to come. I’m afraid that we have put ourselves in the same boat as teams that have a perpetual revolving door at HC and QB. I really hope I’m wrong.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a pretty big pill to swallow

Especially since we haven’t even seen training camp yet. I’d advise that you hold off on the “revolving door HC” thing until you at least see what McDaniels can do. I know the QB issue can be iffy, but signs indicate we have a solid young head coach that won’t be going anywhere. He’s set up to succeed. Bowlen is behind him all the way (obviously). All he has to do is improve the defense to have a successful first year in my opinion. Not a hard thing to do given what we started with when he was hired.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Apr 1, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

What signs indicate that we have a 'solid young head coach'?

He comes from a long line of coaches that have performed disasterously after leaving the Patriots (all of them looked like promising HCs). He is at least partly responsible for losing our best offensive player. Broncos players have said he has been ‘unfair’ and said there is a ‘tense’ atmosphere at Dove Valley. Bowlen has already indicated that he is ‘displeased’ with how McD has handled some things. He has managed to divide Broncos Nation right down the middle. And he has NEVER coached an NFL game (there are plenty of examples of great coordinators who were disasters as HCs).

“All he has to do is improve the defense”? That was before he lost our BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER!

In terms of Bowlen being ‘behind him all the way’…I think there are some pretty good indications that Bowlen is losing his mind. Did you see his induction of Zimmerman? He was barely coherent.

I appreciate hoping for the best. Unfortunately, that’s about the best we have right now. And believe me, I am hoping for the best. Am I a pessimist by nature? Absolutely not. If Shanahan was our still our HC I’d be extremely optimistic. Unfortunately, I’m not seeing a whole lot of realistic reasons for optimism right not.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

shrug

I guess you’ll just have to wait and see…either the stormclouds McDaniels brought with him will either cause us a season of drizzle or we’ll see some real Mile High Thunder.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Apr 1, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

There once was a young cocky QB who refused to play for a storied franchise

His name was John Elway, he forced a trade and left the Baltimore Colts in dissarry and doomed them to 20 years of futility as they searched for a franchise QB in the form of Peyton Manning. Has Karma finally come back to bite us in the ass.

I will always love the Broncos, I truly wish Cutler the best of luck, except when playing the Broncos, I understand his frustrations by having the rug pulled out from under his feet by an unproven, arrogant, insecure 32 year old coach who couldn’t admit a mistake. I fear that McDaniels will end up like all of Bilichek’s dicipiles, ruining organizations and being run out of town.

I will support the Broncos, but I do not support personnel who damage the team (coaches or players), McDaniels may have played all his chips with this move, anything short of the playoffs, and the calls for his head will be immense.

I understand Bowlen’s need to not

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness

by Broncoman on Apr 1, 2009 12:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Sorry

I understand Bowlen’s need to not undermine a new coach, but there are no innocent parties here, Cutler, McDaniels, Bowlen, everyone played a part in creating this mess. History will be the ultimate judge, but sometimes that Karma thing comes back in funny ways.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness

by Broncoman on Apr 1, 2009 12:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or?

Maybe it’s karma for firing one of the greatest coaches in NFL history and bringing in a rookie HC. I guess that’s not really karma though. It’s more of a ‘bound to happen’ situation.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 1, 2009 12:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh for some of the worries we didn't have with Shanny.

We have seen what Cutler is made of. He runs and hides when things don’t go his way. Now it is time to see what McDaniels does now.

Sadaraine, nice post. I am orange and blue 4 life. Like you, I have lost a lot of respect for Cutler in this whole situation along with a little for McD. McD has a chance to redeem himself so only time will tell for how this plays out.

Cutler was my favorite player, however I don’t know if I can root for him on whatever team he goes to.

by weazel on Apr 1, 2009 1:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just draft him in fantasy

it’ll make it easier to root for him. :)

by uziguzi on Apr 1, 2009 1:11 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

by weazel on Apr 1, 2009 1:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Respect

I think Karma-wise this is going to work out well for our Broncos. We know Jay’s true colors and it couldn’t have come at a better time.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out JC.

McD: Show us what you can do and show everyone that Bowlen made the right decision.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Apr 1, 2009 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm with you

by uziguzi on Apr 1, 2009 12:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

RIGHT ON!!

Each week that brings us closer to the ultimate prize,

by Punkin Head on Apr 1, 2009 1:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

You are blind Patriots(pun intended) there is nothing worse

What are you a fan of Bronco Fan?

The laundry?

The mascot?

If we are to blindly accept everything Big Brother Bowlen tells us to accept, then we are to conversely and paradoxically erase all of which we thought we stood for before.

There is no tradition. There is no legacy. The standard of winning is made meaningless.

You stand for nothing but short-term satisfaction, which apparently can only be derived from the man in the mink.

This Bolwell’s world now.

by rururuland784 on Apr 1, 2009 2:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I think you overdosed on Shakespeare

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Apr 1, 2009 3:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

and dope!

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 1, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your a Class F Meathead

I know I’m sling mud but this guy keeps on blabbing. ‘Big Brother Bowlen’ aka ‘The Owner’ aka ‘The Money’ has more at stake in this franchise than every fan combined. He is the one signing the checks and treating the players right. I’m a fan and will always be a fan through thick and thin. The only thing that Bowlen is doing wrong is not tossing Cutler out on the street and letting all the HUMAN’s who have worked for him stomp on Cutler. Thanks for your input though….

by maritimebronco on Apr 1, 2009 7:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice maritime...good post!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Apr 1, 2009 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Sorry, but Bowlen has overseen our rise from the ashes to the Promise Land. We’ve got two Superbowl rings thanks to him being bold and leading this team as he saw fit.

I’m good with throwing my lot in with Bowlen…he’s class A 1st rate in my book.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Apr 1, 2009 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe he took cutler's nice shinny insulin watch!

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 1, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Spok

In the empty spaces – lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes – new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory."

ok.

by rururuland784 on Apr 1, 2009 3:17 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Eh????????????

"In the empty spaces - lacunae, vacuums, pauses, voids, black holes - new things begin. We are born anew from the unexplored space, the badlands, the outlaw territory." - Sam Keen

by spock on Apr 1, 2009 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice call Sadaraine...I will help you keep it real.

I am 100% behind you.
My team is the Broncos, and my 2nd favorite team si anyone playing Jay Cutler…..

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.

by boydy2669 on Apr 1, 2009 6:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

So what am I supposed to do with my "J.C. Saves" shirt now

Damn it all!!! It was just getting broken in.

Do not trade Jay Cutler!!!

by orangeblood on Apr 1, 2009 8:34 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Hmm.

You could have it altered a bit…

JC Saves BH
Jay Crybaby Saves Broncos Headaches

JC Saves BBPIB

Jay Cutler Saves By Buying Pads In Bulk

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Apr 1, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs