Rec’d!

I think a lot depends on the relative price of the QB’s. Given the choice between a 1st, a 3rd and Jason Campbell or a pair of firsts and Chad Henne, I think the Broncos would take Henne.

I also think Bowlen’s statement removed any leverage based on the idea that they might keep Cutler. I am not saying they won’t do it, but the public perception is such that other teams are probably willing to call that bluff. OTOH, the Broncos did gain some leverage by making the auction public, but that leverage is based on the idea that some other team will get Cutler instead (and not that he will remain a Bronco)

Peppers (Pro-Bowler on D) & Delhomme?

Of course, all that depends on the Broncos actually making the trade. This has been a high-stakes poker game right from the beginning. Could the Broncos once again be calling Cutler’s bluff?

You wrote exactly what I was thinking.

Rec’d and Buzzed. Can’t wait for MHR Radio tonight. It will be another show you just don’t want to miss.

The problem is that since Bowlen annouced they are trading Cutler, he has lost a lot of leverage since teams can now say, look we know you have no intention of keeping him, we will give you the bare minimum, cause what is the alternative, they keep Cutler on the bench for a season, then McDaniels gets to answer questions every day of why can’t you get Cutler to play for you, why isn’t the best player at that position starting, yada, yada, yada, in addition to splintering the locker room. If Bowlen had not made the annoucement, then teams would have the opinion that only a significant offer would be able to lure Denver into trading Cutler.

Two 1’s AND a 2 AND a 4 AND a starter doesn’t seem feasible. I would work on getting two 1’s first…

The Broncos are pretty much screwed in my opinion…there’s no way you can receive appropriate value for a player of Cutler’s caliber.

Wouldn’t the theory of a Cowboys trade be pretty plausable with Jerry Jones intentention of getting Cutler and bringing in Mike Shanahan next season to coach.

There’s another thing that I hope doesn’t occur to other teams (may they not read this blog). I don’t care about the aborted running game or the defense. The main variable on how well Jay performed, in my opinion, is the O-line and the receiver corps, and the first was best in the league (at pass blocking, at the very least) and the second was pretty damned good. If McDaniels was less than over-the-top-he’s-ours-forever committed to Cutler, and willing to at least consider Cassel, it might be because he knows something the rest of the league doesn’t. To wit, how well would a QB with a big arm but a less than stellar ability to cycle through his receivers and recognize danger in a few seconds have done on a team with an ordinary set of receivers and a line that didn’t give him the luxury of scanning the field at his leisure? (After which he still often stayed locked in on his primary receiver and threw into double and triple coverage.) Sure, he looks brilliant blazing a strike into Marshall’s midsection as the backs clustered around him flail at the ball. No doubt a quarterback who instead just drops the ball in to the wide open receiver will be dismissed as just managing the game. I’ll take it. So if Cutler has progressed as far as he can go in that direction, and at this time we don’t know one way of the other, we’ll be getting rid of him at exactly the right time, while other teams still see him as the second coming. It’s conceivable he can only flourish with a brilliant O-line and an outstanding set of receivers, in which case some lucky winner is going to wake up and say, We wuz robbed! Don’t know if it’ll actually happen that way, but life is strange sometimes. Let the fun begin.

P.S. Actually, I think it has occurred to Minnesota, from what I’ve heard of their evaluations of Cutler, but I think we can count on other teams being desperate enough not to want to believe it.

We will get a great deal out of this…or play hardball and sit him. The Broncos are going to come out ahead of all this mess one way or another.

That’s why they declared that he will be the starter of the 2010 Season after he learns for one more year under Chad Pennington. There is no QB controversy in South Florida…

But I really don’t see 2 firsts and an authentic defensive starter (let’s say 1st round value) together. 3 1sts just isn’t likely to happen anymore for anyone.

take away a first round pick or the defensive starter, and I think your’e a lot closer to a package we might see happen.

The Rams traded Trent Green and a 5th for a 1st round pick, and teams value their picks even more now. I realize Trent Green was older (30), and not as good, but this would be putting Cutler at over 3 times the value Trent Green had then

if nothing else, just to really feel out all the offers on the table.

and he will change it. ;-)

fan quote here:

Look, I get it—Jay Cutler is a good quarterback. He’s undoubtedly more talented than the Vikings’ current dynamic duo behind center. But I refuse to waste any more time talking about him because:

   1. The Vikings have nothing to offer that would entice the Broncos to trade him to Minnesota, especially compared to the plethora of other teams that are reportedly interested in him.
   2. It’s becoming blatantly obvious that the guy is a solid mixture of a giant douche and a turd sandwich. It’s OK to be a little miffed that your new coach was looking to trade you, but to burn his calls like a scorned junior high girlfriend is a bit much. I remember almost everyone on this site shunning the possibility of getting another me-first prima donna a few weeks ago—why is this one so different?

do we count Minn out?

Great write-up, TSG. I really don’t think you’ll get as much as you seem to think, but I have no doubt that somebody (like the Redskins) will pay through the nose for him.
As far as my team is concerned, I think a lot of people are sold on him, but not me. The way I see it, he has acted like a complete prima donna throughout this whole thing, stamping his feet and crying like a five-year-old who doesn’t get his way. As you posted in this comments section, teams are willing to deal with an “enigmatic” WR (or other skill position), but when a QB acts like a jilted girlfriend, teams should beware.
Also, you’re dead on in saying that he’s making himself look like a liar in this instance. If he refuses to play for the teammates he’s professed to be playing for, what good is his word? Who wants a me-firster leading the team?
Of course, all of this isn’t to say I think Mayhew won’t go after him, I just think he’s not worth the price.

I am really enjoying the kosher Coke I just picked up. Now I have to figure out how long it’ll last in my pantry before I go stock up on more.

very true. I am not worried about us with Chris Simms and while I would rather have a starting QB I could work with Simms. Oh and one more thing, watch out for Matt Hasselbeck as a dark horse. A trade for him and their first overall pick this year would be well worth Jay Cutler assuming that Hasselbeck has two years left in him.

What are we supposed to do with all these ‘JC Saves’ T-Shirts??

My first thought is to use it as toilet paper and fedex it to JC himself.

Cutler to Tenn for VY +draft picks? Your thoughts?

David Garrard, John Henderson, Swapping of first round picks, and a third round pick. with conditional day one pick next year

Why are they trading him? I understand that he’s been a pre-madonna, but many players are. It seems that the administration has blown it here. Their job is to put the team first and work with the players. They have expected Cutler to act like a front-office member… that’s not going to happen. Many players in this league are arrogant. If McDaniel cannot deal with players, than he’s clearly not cut-out for coaching. Anyway, my main points are as follows:

1. If Cutler is the problem and this madness is his doing, then what team would pay that ridiculous asking price? Cutler now has red-flags all over him. Don’t take me wrong. Teams will still want him, but they aren’t going to want to bet the farm on him. I just read that the Vikings and the Panthers took Cutler off their list because of his attitude problems.

2. If the administration is the problem, then why are you trading Cutler? You should keep Cutler and fire McDaniel. Getting rid of Cutler wouldn’t solve anything. In fact, it would just set the franchise back further.

3. If it was both, than you have a real problem. McDaniel would need to be fired, and Cutler would still need to be simmered down or traded.

In short… if Cutler really is a cancer, who is going to pay through the nose to get him?

what happens is they end up getting a first round pick plus some front seven player that is ok but bit on the caliber of Peppers, Rogers, etc? Then how does everyone feel about what transpired? Will JC still be blamed for screwing us, or will the wrath start to focus more on the front office for this whole travesty?

Given where we are now (past the Rubicon, it would seem) the best I can hope for is a Hershel Walker type haul; however, I fear we’re kidding ourselves. A lot of teams are interested sure, but it really isn’t realistic (IMO) to think about sitting him. It would poison the whole team and sides would be taken, lines would be drawn.

So I ask the question: What is the bare minimum that each of you, as Bronco Fans, would be OK in receiving for JC and who will you blame if we don’t get it??

I’m a Patriots fan, so as you might guess I have some recent experience trying to gauge the value of a young, succesful and somewhat NFL-experienced quarterback. And I just don’t see you getting as much for Cutler as you want.

Let me first make a few points clear: I believe Cutler is more valuable than Cassel, with more experience and a higher ceiling. He will also automatically be valued higher, because he was originally a 1st round pick. + the Broncos obviously have much more leverage, since the Patriots were pretty much forced capwise to get rid of Cassel in a hurry.

Still, I was schocked just how little interest there was in Cassel. Even if you attribute his wins to the receivers and the system – it sure wasn’t the defense – how could he only draw interest from 1½ team? (The Broncos being half the team.) I mean, at least Cassell has shown he can win in A NFL-system, and still the 49’ers were apparantly perfectly happy to go to war with Shaun Hill or Alex Smith who have haven’t won in ANY NFL-system or perhaps Mark Sanchez who has never taken a snap in the NFL. (Or think of Tampa Bay or Detroit, both certified qb-wastelands, who wasn’t even willing to give up their 1st-round pick for Cassel.)

As I said, I expect a higher price for Cutler, but it seems as if – once the off-season begins – everybody expect their young qb will “take the next step” next year, so they won’t have to pony up for the proven thing.

Broncos should not let a player dictate to the team. If you have to sit him and play someone like Simms, I say why not? Simms could be a pleasant surprise in the new offense. Of course you would have to get another QB, but so what? The Broncos don’t have to execute a knee-jerk reaction just because Jay says he doesn’t want to be here anymore. There are other quality QBs available next year, plus some better D-linemen. Patience is our luxury; Jay’s under contract.

Best case I think we will get 1, maybe 2 high draft picks (1st or 2nd), plus maybe a Brady Quinn-type player.

We will lose our 25 year old Pro Bowl QB. And we will keep a rookie HC with zero experience who, statistics show, will probably not take us to the Promised Land.

Basically, we’re going to get screwed no matter how this shakes out.

Sorry to be so gloomy, but this “pie in the sky” stuff about the huge haul we’re going to get seems pretty ridiculous given the present realities facing us IMO.

Sorry to be so gloomy, but this “pie in the sky” stuff about the huge haul we’re going to get seems pretty ridiculous given the present realities facing us IMO.

Just FYI, on Dan Patrick’s show airing right now he said that at the top of the hour Peter King will be on to talk more about Cutler, if anyone’s interested. That’d be 2 PST/3MST

Caught Patrick talking just briefly about this whole thing and he said he found it hard to believe that the Broncos would trade him to anyone in the AFC. (Just his conjecture.)

What is the infatuation with Quinn? There are other options for QB (Garcia, Leftwich, etc.). It seems to me that Rogers would be much more valuable to us.

I can’t even tell if you’re serious or not about the two first rounders, 2nd and 4th.

This Cutler thing has a thread (a contentious one) on the Niners Nation with over 200 posts and growing. Its got 49ers fans mad at each other.

I know my team isn’t very good. And I know our QB’s arent the greatest. And I know alot of 49ers fans want this guy. But I seriously hope we don’t make a trade on the terms of the original post. Certainly you guys would want that, but I don’t want my team to be on the ass-end of Hershel Walker part 2. This is regardless of Cutler being a little girl. And that just makes it worse. If we get him for a sweet heart deal for us fine (don’t worry won’t happen), but two first rounders and or more? I seriously hope my team doesnt do this.

Also as an outsider I am mystified how this situation got to this. I’m sure you guys have dissected this to death, but still, what is going on over there?

Brady Quinn and Shaun Rodgers! They can keep their picks. Give me those two (and believe me McD WILL turn Quinn into a HUGE Star) and I will be a happy happy man.

I think this whole mess has really shown us what Cutler really is, but we were to enamored to see it and admit it…a LOSER. Good riddance to bad rubbish I say, the kid will never win anything until he learns to be a little more humble and learns that the world actually DOESN’T revolve around him. Quinn will be a better QB under McD than Cutler in 2 years, bank on it!

GO BRONCOS!

Don’t trade him, make him sit at home, and pay him the money you owe him…2 firsts and a 2nd and a 4th for a guy holding the team hostage and who will demand a new contract to be traded….hahaha

1 and 20 with Ernie Sims for Cutler, 12 and 48
You’d fill 1 LB spot with Ernie, take Curry at #1 to completly shore up your linebacking core into the best in the league, and BPA @ 20.
Yes, Sims didn’t do to well last year, but with what he was surrounded by, you gotta admit it was not his fault. He is a stud

Besides, you guys owe us for George “False Start” Foster and Tatum “Bellhop”. He really did fumble the swiped duffle bags, too

your friends over in Santa Clara send you this year’s 10 and next year’s first and 3rd rounder? Eh? Eh?

Does anyone remember what the Saints gave up to Draft Ricky Williams? I can see one of the 31 other NFL franchises going that far.

The Saints gave up all 6 remaining draft picks in 99’ and then a 1st and 3rd in 00’ draft, wow, all that for a running back who hasn’t played a down in the NFL….

Image what the Broncos can get for a Pro Bowl QB getting paid only 1 million in base salary next year?!?…

Now it might not end up being all that, but don’t be suprised if one of the interested teams give up the farm to get Cutler.