Broncos source: ‘We have the phone records’
In a statement released last night by the Broncos, team owner Pat Bowlen said that "numerous attempts to contact Jay Cutler in the last 10 days, both by head coach Josh McDaniels and myself, have been unsuccessful."
Cutler’s camp says that’s just not so.
Sources close to Culter told NFL.com senior columnist Thomas George today that the quarterback contends he has not received any such calls from the Broncos.
Sources close to Bowlen responded to George in five words: "We have the phone records."
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Yep....I just think that Jay and, mainly Bus, have now REALLY ticked the old man off...
Gloves are off….
I am wondering if Bus was the one monitoring or taking the calls and he never told Jay. Is that a possibility!
Anyway, this is going to get ugly!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
LMAO
Nice…so my only question now is who is the Captain and who is the 1st Mate between Cutler and Cook on that substantial FAILBOAT they are sailing?
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
That made me laugh
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness
How pitiful
You just don’t mess with Bowlen man…cmon!
- shakes his head in bewilderment *
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
Get rid of this POS
I have never been more pissed at a Bronco player, EVAH! Cook and Cutler deserve each other. Jeff George has nothing on this punk. If Denver cant get what they want I hope they keep him and he holds out.
somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong
by broncfanstuckinsd on Apr 1, 2009 2:45 PM MDT reply actions
Jay was really thrown under the Bus
this off-season.
I like that phone records thing. Sounds like something you’d see on a bad episode of Law & Order, but whatever works.
WTF
Are the Broncos doing?!?!?
Do they understand NOTHING about maintaining trade value???
Dear League:
Please give us lots of draft picks and/or good players for our cry baby (their words, not mine!) QB. We have to trade him right now because our owner says so.
Thanks very much, The Denver Broncos
PS — He is also a liar!
Um, not so smooth guys. Could maybe have played it a little closer to the vest here.
Mark it down: we are going to get ROBBED on this trade.
Cutler
He’s a wanted commodity. His value will be high…but there is no way to ever get what he’s worth. Just reality.
what this market will bear
I commented on this yesterday, and it wasn’t hard because I had previously noted the fact that Cutler’s market value is obviously quite high when the Broncos were rejecting offhand the many offers they were receiving recently.
Here’s Tom Mills, the son of legendary agent Jack Mills, on the subject today:
"- …It’s supply and demand, Economics 101. In this instance, Cutler is the only star quarterback on the market, and a half-dozen teams, maybe more, will be in hot pursuit. Tampa Bay, Detroit, Washington, Minnesota and the Jets are just a few of the possible suitors.
“That’s the key,” Mills said. “You wouldn’t normally make an announcement that a guy is available in trade, but in this case, there’s so much competition it shouldn’t matter. This guy is a 10-year starter. Enough teams covet him, they’re going to have to come with their best offer. Denver should get good value.”
My guess is he’s worth multiple picks, including but not only 2 — #1s. And I wouldn’t be surprised if the number of picks is higher initially (although somewhat lower in value) or if we likewise parlay whatever we obtain into a larger number of lower picks. I would also expect that having those picks over this and next year is one way of lessening the impact on our trading partner.
Free markets = there is no such thing as robbed.
Stimulus or bailouts are robbers…free markets never rob. We will get the best value possible for Cutler. Just because the big banks bought their toxic mortgages at 100% and the free market is saying they are worth just 30% doesn’t mean the banks are getting robbed. It means they screwed themselves. We screwed ourselves by drafting a head case. lol
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by Tim Lynch on Apr 1, 2009 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
lmao +1000
"THIS IS SPARTA!!!" -- papigrande
"The cutsper gives up 100 000 dollars guy, come on custper you should show up and then give the 100 000 dollar to me so I can put down payment on the bronco cheerleader retire home where they can sit and eat all kind of pizza and chip and not have to worry any more about make for little waist in off seasnoal" -- Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Apr 1, 2009 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Ding Ding Ding
We have a winner!!!
I am a Broncos Fan. I am not a Cutler Fan. I am not a McDaniels Fan. I am a Broncos Fan.
Keep Moving Forward.
Disagree
The market will dictate Cutler’s trade value. With so many QB desperate teams and with the cap friendly young Pro Bowl QB on the block, I guarantee you the Broncos will pull the trigger on a pretty attractive deal.
And with regards to playing it closer to the vest, I think the Broncos have been playing it to vest over the past month while Cutler and Cook were pulling their shenanigans. I have no problem at all with their response to the allegation that they never made an attempt to reach out to Cutler. When someone calls you a liar, you have to respond.
No you don't
Not if you’re the owner of the team and you’re trying to maximize the value you get back.
Everyone invloved is acting like a 7th grade girl, but I would expect more from the coach and owner of my Broncos.
Pure rubbish.
by Elway's Ghost on Apr 1, 2009 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I have found that 7th grade girls have their heads on better than 7th grade boys....
how about calling them impotent jerks?
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by Tim Lynch on Apr 1, 2009 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ghost
Again, I have no problem with Broncos management responding to an outlandish, if not desperate attempt by a party that is doing everything in their power to make themselves look like the victim in this. In my opinion, they had no choice but to respond to a slanderous statement with supportive facts (phone records). If that takes some value away from a trade, then so be it. You have to protect your franchise.
This is going to end up hurting Cutler and his agent’s reputation a hell of a lot more than it will hurt the Broncos. I have a lot more respect for Mr. Bowlen for responding publicly rather than just letting it fester out there, leaving his organization and it’s fans to sit and question whether or not they did everything in their power to make this bad situation right.
And by the way Ghost, exactly what trade would you categorize as “fair market value” for the Broncos since you seem convinced that this response by them will diminish your expectations for a good trade?
But
There is nothing to protect! So “sources” say you never called. Big flipping deal. Why is your pride or honor so sensitive that you need to send your “sources” to your defense? In middle school, I can see it. The head of a Billion dollar organization, not so much.
And why can’t you see that hurting jay Cutler’s reputation is THE VERY LAST thing any Bronco fan should want right now. Pump him up! Hype him to death!!! Make every team and fan out there think he’s Elway 2.0! Don’t trash his character and then put your hand out and ask for top value in trade. To me, that falls under the "duh" category!
As for my view: Unless we get at least 2 top #15 No. 1 picks plus a starter (I don’t care what position) AND we turn those picks or that player in the a +QB (i.e., a QB that is not part of the problem — see every other QB since #7), then we have not gotten enough. Pretty tall order in my opinion, but when you realize what were giving up, that’s the bare minimum I’d accept and not call for a march to Dove Valley with pitchforks and torches.
by Elway's Ghost on Apr 1, 2009 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
My Issue
With this is that fans have been clamoring for the past 5 weeks for Bowlen to make a statement. Now he has, and fans are all over him. I don’t know that you were one of them, but for the ones that were, make up your mind.
Pat Bowlen has been incredibly successful in the NFL over the past 25 years. He may not be a real football guy, but the guy knows what he wants in his organization, and it generally works pretty well. When he steps in, there is a real reason for it, one that we can only speculate about, but I gotta have Bowlen’s back in this one.
Bowlen has been called a lot of things, but “dishonest” isn’t one of them. He says what he feels, and he always has. He doesn’t say a whole lot, so when he speaks, people listen. I’m inclined to fully support Bowlen in this one.
"When the one Great Scorer
Comes to write against your name
He counts not that you won or lost
But how you played the Game"
--Grantland Rice
"Will I wear a hoodie? Absolutely. In fact, I can't wait to see my hoodie." --Coach Josh McDaniels
Please, spare us the Chicago economics
Some others here are trying (poorly and lamentably) to channel Milton Friedman. This whole mess is a reminder that there is no such thing as a free market. This particular one is bounded by ownership with the ability to collude, collective bargaining agreements, terms of contracts and free agency, & c. Free markets exist in textbooks. Here on earth, we have rules, institutions and power.
Which is all to your point. They had no real choice here in outing the phone records — the story was being put out that they hadn’t called Jay. If the Broncos brought this up out of the blue, I’d agree. But if he’s dragging this out, the organization has to save face.
Besides, it’s not like it is all of the sudden going to occur to folks that the guy is a brat. That’s the premise of this whole spat
I say again
We are going to get robbed.
by Elway's Ghost on Apr 1, 2009 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions
If we're gonna trade Jay, we HAVE to do it NOW!! Think for a second...what is coming up real soon that could make or break the Denver Broncos.
If we don’t get a QB back from the team we trade Jay to, then we’ll have to use our draft pick. That’s why we have to trade our QB NOW! Not because Bowlen said so. Plus, I would rather have a QB who WANTS to play for my team…not some whiny QB who cries when he finds out that his name was used in trade talks. He can’t even stop crying when McD tells him that he is OUR QB, and that he isn’t going anywhere. Well since the poor baby can’t stop crying, he’s gonna get his wish.
McD – 0
Jay – 1
What I want the Broncos to do before the start of next season:
1) Improve the defense drastically.
2) Improve terms with Jay Cutler.
3) Talk Jay into firing Bus Cook as his agent.
4) Sign Torry Holt to a 1 year deal.
Let's go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bowlen
Does Jay honestly believe we would believe him over Bowlen? Past players, past coaches (even Mike who was being FIRED at the time) continue to adore the man as the best owner in football. He has NO history of lying to players or having issues with players; infact, quite the contrary. Jay needs to examine where he is getting his advice because he is being misguided. Bowlen has all the power in the situation and much more power in the NFL as a whole. Jay…remember that contract you signed? Or did you not receive any contact from the Broncos on that as well?
++++ A MILLION BILLION
Great point Jeff!!
~Davus.X~
Est. 1967
Bleeding Orange and Blue for 42 years
Newest Resident of La-La-Land! Mike Clark for President!
13-3 BABY!
Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya
Cutler is a complete moron. I can’t wait to see Champ take him for a pick 6 whenever he stumbles back into town. How could anybody possibly be that dumb?
At their respective introductory press conferences, McDaniels and Xanders both said that they want players that are “tough, smart, and prepared to work well under pressure”. Clearly Jay has demonstrated that he’s none of the above.
He’s obviously not very tough if he can’t handle a little chatter about him maybe not being the best ever. He obviously doesn’t work well under pressure if he just runs and hides from a challenge. And he obviously isn’t very smart if he wants to leave a quarterback’s dream system behind the best offensive line in the NFL for a place like Detroit or Cleveland, where even the Broncos would get 4 or 5 sacks.
Don’t let the door hit ’ya, Jay.
"When the one Great Scorer
Comes to write against your name
He counts not that you won or lost
But how you played the Game"
--Grantland Rice
"Will I wear a hoodie? Absolutely. In fact, I can't wait to see my hoodie." --Coach Josh McDaniels
As for demand....read this story. :)
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12047027
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
hahahaha. I love when white collar business guys
play hardball. It’s fun to watch.
Peyton Hillis in '09.
Name him---Mr. Balls....or Thunderpussy.
We may have lost John and TD and Shannon and Eddie and Rod
and future HOFer Shanny-han,
but we still have the ultimate Denver Bronco. Thank you for keeping the faith, Mr. Bowlen.
"THIS IS SPARTA!!!" -- papigrande
"The cutsper gives up 100 000 dollars guy, come on custper you should show up and then give the 100 000 dollar to me so I can put down payment on the bronco cheerleader retire home where they can sit and eat all kind of pizza and chip and not have to worry any more about make for little waist in off seasnoal" -- Horvil Tiki
+1
I’m so sick of hearing people compare Bowlen to Al Davis. It’s ridiculous. Thanks for talking some sense.
"When the one Great Scorer
Comes to write against your name
He counts not that you won or lost
But how you played the Game"
--Grantland Rice
"Will I wear a hoodie? Absolutely. In fact, I can't wait to see my hoodie." --Coach Josh McDaniels
Sources vs Sources, both unamed
How conveniant, we believe one source but not the other, “We have phone records”, why? Unless this was the plan all along to CYA, to paint Jay into a corner and build a hatred up from the fan base, what exactly do the “records” show, do they show someone called his number, really, big freaking deal, I am sure they had their secretary call the number and wait 30 seconds and hang up. This strikes as petty and insecure dealings strait out of the Belichik play book.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness
Let's Be Honest, Here
Obviously, Cutler’s “source” is Cook. That’s pretty clear. The Broncos? It would have to be Patrick Smyth, team spokesman, doesn’t it? It’s petty, but if there are phone records, then obviously Cook’s claim isn’t true.
As far as my feelings, see my comment above.
"When the one Great Scorer
Comes to write against your name
He counts not that you won or lost
But how you played the Game"
--Grantland Rice
"Will I wear a hoodie? Absolutely. In fact, I can't wait to see my hoodie." --Coach Josh McDaniels
I love you Broncoman
but that post sounds more than a little conspiracy theorist. You truly believe that’s the M.O. of Pat Bowlen, the man who stood behind John Elway over Reeves and led us to five superbowls?
"THIS IS SPARTA!!!" -- papigrande
"The cutsper gives up 100 000 dollars guy, come on custper you should show up and then give the 100 000 dollar to me so I can put down payment on the bronco cheerleader retire home where they can sit and eat all kind of pizza and chip and not have to worry any more about make for little waist in off seasnoal" -- Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Apr 1, 2009 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Bowlen has money...why not just bribe the phone company to put the calls on the phone record? :)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
it is what the government does when trying to bust a suspected terrorist. lol
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
You mean one like Bus Cook?
He’s clearly trying to make life miserable for us in Denver.
"When the one Great Scorer
Comes to write against your name
He counts not that you won or lost
But how you played the Game"
--Grantland Rice
"Will I wear a hoodie? Absolutely. In fact, I can't wait to see my hoodie." --Coach Josh McDaniels
Is that an act of terrorism.
We should report him to Homeland Security…inciting domestic unrest. That’s a crime right? lol
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Here's what I look at
Everything that has come out of Dove Valley seems to contradict the previous statments:
“We were not actively shopping Jay Cutler, merely answered the phone”
Then we get
“We were in discussions with the Pats, but we were late in the game”
Numerouos sources now confirm that the Broncos had spoke to many other teams about Jay
McDaniels says he is our QB yet won’t commit to him in the future, pick one, either he is or isn’t.
I truly respect Mr. Bowlen, but I think he has been led astray by a very insecure coach in McDaniels. Jay’s story has been consistent and to my knowledge he has yet to lie about anything when asked a direct question. You may not like the answers, but at least he is not spinning it. Maybe I am wrong, but as much as the whole conspiracy theory from the Broncos side may seem crazy, so does the whole Buzz Cook orchastarted this thing scenerio.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness
Does it matter?
Cutler refuses to speak to Pat Bowlen. There is no more debate here. Do you refuse to speak to your boss if they thought about laying you off but changed their mind and kept you around? Common sense man!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
YES!!!
Especially because there are 10+ companies down the road that are ready to treat me a hell of a lot better!! Business works both ways, man!
by HACK10 on Apr 1, 2009 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Cook
He may not have orchestrated the entire thing, but I do think that to disregard his role is foolish, regardless of what Peter King and Sandy Clough say.
Notice at the beginning – Cutler has an interview with Gary Miller of CBS4, in which he says that he “hopes” to be in Denver. Then all of a sudden he stops talking, goes into hiding, and he all of a sudden decides that he wants nothing to do with it. Why would we not think that Cook is driving the Bus?
"When the one Great Scorer
Comes to write against your name
He counts not that you won or lost
But how you played the Game"
--Grantland Rice
"Will I wear a hoodie? Absolutely. In fact, I can't wait to see my hoodie." --Coach Josh McDaniels
I agree that it's foolish to disregard Cook's role in this
but Jay’s change in attitude wasn’t all of a sudden. It changed after the meeting with McD the weekend before voluntary workouts started. He left town, demanded to be traded, and never looked back.
I hope that my avatar is a sign of things to come for a verrrrry long time :-)
Why do thye phone records? Because they have to pay their bills, duh?
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Apr 1, 2009 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
The point is why bring it up
Everyone has phone records that owns a phone, just because I called a number doesn’t mean I had any intention of contacting a person, you can mask numbers, block numbers, etc.., whose to say that they called Jay’s number as a masked number and Jay didn’t pick it up because like me, I don’t answer calls from unmarked or masked numbers. I am saying is rather than take the high road and just say we attempted to contact Jay and we will leave it at that, they look like a desperate attempt to try to turn public opinion.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness
RE: We have phone records, why?
Because almost every PBX in existence automatically records thems then, that’s why. That’s like asking why someone has a copy of their web surfing history on their computer?
Not why, but again, don't you think Cutler and Cook would know that they have phone records
They aren’t that stupid, the whole thing smacks of a way to look to discredit Jay and drive a wedge against the fanbase. Once again, records are limited, does it actually show who dialed the number, what if the number they are calling from is blocked/unlisted, I don’t accept those calls, maybe Jay doesn’t either.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness
It doesn't matter if Bowlen or McD tried to call Jay. If Jay wanted to play for the Broncos, he would of called them.
What I want the Broncos to do before the start of next season:
1) Improve the defense drastically.
2) Improve terms with Jay Cutler.
3) Talk Jay into firing Bus Cook as his agent.
4) Sign Torry Holt to a 1 year deal.
Let's go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or.......
He would just show up to the mini-camp in mid-April. I don’t care if he doesn’t answer the phone when he’s on vacation. Bowlen is jumping the gun.
by HACK10 on Apr 1, 2009 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Reality check!
Cook didn’t say Cutler’s hasn’t called because he’s on vacation. He flatly denied that the Broncos had called and went on the say the he and Jay had been trying to call the Broncos.
And where are HIS phone records??
I’d LOVE to see those!!!
"THIS IS SPARTA!!!" -- papigrande
"The cutsper gives up 100 000 dollars guy, come on custper you should show up and then give the 100 000 dollar to me so I can put down payment on the bronco cheerleader retire home where they can sit and eat all kind of pizza and chip and not have to worry any more about make for little waist in off seasnoal" -- Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Apr 1, 2009 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions
why do I think we would finally figure out
that whole Hoffa “thing”…
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 1, 2009 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Anyone else get the idea that what Bowlen said behind closed doors...
wasn’t as polite as “We will try to accommodate his trade request”
Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.
+1 laffing with ya
"THIS IS SPARTA!!!" -- papigrande
"The cutsper gives up 100 000 dollars guy, come on custper you should show up and then give the 100 000 dollar to me so I can put down payment on the bronco cheerleader retire home where they can sit and eat all kind of pizza and chip and not have to worry any more about make for little waist in off seasnoal" -- Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Apr 1, 2009 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, Jay has indicated he doesn't like liars,
and apparently his agent has been caught lying.
So when will Jay fire his agent?
Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy
by AZDynamics on Apr 1, 2009 3:01 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
+50
"When the one Great Scorer
Comes to write against your name
He counts not that you won or lost
But how you played the Game"
--Grantland Rice
"Will I wear a hoodie? Absolutely. In fact, I can't wait to see my hoodie." --Coach Josh McDaniels
+50000000
"THIS IS SPARTA!!!" -- papigrande
"The cutsper gives up 100 000 dollars guy, come on custper you should show up and then give the 100 000 dollar to me so I can put down payment on the bronco cheerleader retire home where they can sit and eat all kind of pizza and chip and not have to worry any more about make for little waist in off seasnoal" -- Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Apr 1, 2009 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't you guys hate
when you trade the franchise missias, because he forgot to say he changed his phone number
Random quotes about the raiders:
They really shouldn’t play — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
This is an utter disaster — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on Apr 1, 2009 3:11 PM MDT reply actions
Knwoing how this has gone, it might be the truth HAHAHA
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
HAHA! It's great to know that some of us still have a sense of humor =)
+100
~Davus.X~
Est. 1967
Bleeding Orange and Blue for 42 years
Newest Resident of La-La-Land! Mike Clark for President!
13-3 BABY!
I wonder if Jay is thinking ohhh craaappppppp! right now.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Apr 1, 2009 3:16 PM MDT reply actions
Give him a few years in Detroit...
He’ll want to be McDaniels’ best friend. Something tells me that he hasn’t really thought this one all the way out.
"When the one Great Scorer
Comes to write against your name
He counts not that you won or lost
But how you played the Game"
--Grantland Rice
"Will I wear a hoodie? Absolutely. In fact, I can't wait to see my hoodie." --Coach Josh McDaniels
Or.......
He will be the key piece that Detroit builds a playoff-caliber team around. Just like Denver was doing when Bowlen blew the whole thing up. Thanks Pat!
by HACK10 on Apr 1, 2009 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions
It's a shamockery!!
I’m embarrassed that it has come to this and also cannot wait for it to end. I’m excited to see what we can get for Cutler.
We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks. - Calvin
Hey Buss Cook,
looks like you got what you wanted. Should have smoothed things out and things would be better for Jay.
OK, which Jay Cutler did they call? ;)
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness
nice one... the first is still first hit on google...
Random quotes about the raiders:
They really shouldn’t play — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
This is an utter disaster — Chris Collinsworth (12/5/08)
/The great Dane - formerly known as Claaaaas!
by Claus Vestergaard on Apr 1, 2009 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions
misclicks I think
people hear Jay added some muscle, and they want to check it out…
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 1, 2009 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah...was it the DE/OLB or the QB?????
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Why would Cutler's camp say
that they weren’t contacted? How about reasonable doubt?
They know they don’t have to ‘prove’ that Cutler wasn’t at fault here, all they have to do is insert reasonable doubt into the equation. But what does that accomplish?
I think it goes back to the basic motive. Denver is going to get whatever the market dictates for cutler, which will likely be between above average and exceptional. This is regardless of what else happens. But Jay/Bus have somehting else on their mind, always have. When Jay goes to New Detroshington, he still has to be PAID. And not this bullshit $1.035 mil either. Teams will ante up for the trade, but the Jay/Bus camp needs to start doing some damage control, or else the new team will be highly resistant to reworking what is a VERY nice part of the deal for them, which is a low first years payment during the “warranty period” on the trade.
Of course, the Broncos once again pointed to reality. Phone records are, and what they are is everything that “hurt feelings”, “disrespect” and constantly changing stories aren’t, namely, real..
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 1, 2009 3:56 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
+3
Awesome, Styg.
"When the one Great Scorer
Comes to write against your name
He counts not that you won or lost
But how you played the Game"
--Grantland Rice
"Will I wear a hoodie? Absolutely. In fact, I can't wait to see my hoodie." --Coach Josh McDaniels
Consider this....
Why would Bowlen say anything at this time? Why not just contact all the owners privately? I think Bowlen is putting his foot down. This is his way of saying show up or just try making the Pro Bowl on your back in Detroit.
If he isn't totally frustrated right now
he certainly has every right to be.
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 1, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
+100
He is the Broncos #1 fan.
"THIS IS SPARTA!!!" -- papigrande
"The cutsper gives up 100 000 dollars guy, come on custper you should show up and then give the 100 000 dollar to me so I can put down payment on the bronco cheerleader retire home where they can sit and eat all kind of pizza and chip and not have to worry any more about make for little waist in off seasnoal" -- Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Apr 1, 2009 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions
+2 Right on Styg
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
He should have checked the bars on his phone
He must not have Verizon and is in the dreaded “Dead Zone”.
Come on, seriously. To claim you didn’t get one call in 10 days is pretty bogus. If I was trying to reach someone everyday for 10 days and then they claim I never called them I would just have to show them my phone log on my cell. Hey Jay, Mr. Cook is the head of your camp and it looks like he is driving it off a cliff just so he can cash a little extra dough from his commission.
Let's just see if
Bus Cook can defend his doucheyness to Jay now.
Not that Jay cares, but it’d be nice to be a fly on the wall for that conversation.
Peyton Hillis in '09.
Name him---Mr. Balls....or Thunderpussy.
I don't think it is very likely
But if jay told Bus to “Handle things” why he stayed out of it, and then he hears that Cook pushed the last buttons to push Bowlen over the edge, things could seriously blow up. More than they have, at any rate, which is still a scarry thought….
Amnesty, the idea that you can forgive transgressions against you, gives as much to one side, as it does the other. It has the noble quality of bestowing mercy to both parties.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 1, 2009 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I wonder if Jay is in Pat Bowlen's Fav-5
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness
Yeah, maybe it was a Freudian slip of the keypad!
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Apr 1, 2009 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Once Jay finds out that he isn't going to get as much money with that other team compared to what the Broncos would give him, Bus Cook is gonna get the boot.
What I want the Broncos to do before the start of next season:
1) Improve the defense drastically.
2) Improve terms with Jay Cutler.
3) Talk Jay into firing Bus Cook as his agent.
4) Sign Torry Holt to a 1 year deal.
Let's go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In regards to your sig:
1. Check
2. FAIL
3. FAIL
4. FAIL
#4 could still happen I guess…
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Too bad
That was my list, too.
"THIS IS SPARTA!!!" -- papigrande
"The cutsper gives up 100 000 dollars guy, come on custper you should show up and then give the 100 000 dollar to me so I can put down payment on the bronco cheerleader retire home where they can sit and eat all kind of pizza and chip and not have to worry any more about make for little waist in off seasnoal" -- Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Apr 1, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I remember seeing that Bowlen put the request in to speak with Cutler
What the hell does that mean?! Did he tell his secretary to call Cutler, and if he answered to put him through?
I hope that my avatar is a sign of things to come for a verrrrry long time :-)
Dude...Pat Bowlen is a billionaire..why the F does he need to pick up the phone to call someone?
Cutler should have gotten off his prissy little ass and made the phone call to HIS BOSS to give his side of the story. This whole thing makes Cutler look bad no matter what…at least in my eyes.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
You missed the point
I was just wondering what that meant, I didn’t say that he had to personally call him. But people are making it seem like he was calling him personally by comparing it to their boss calling them..
I hope that my avatar is a sign of things to come for a verrrrry long time :-)
Found the answer to my question on ESPN
A Broncos official scoffed at the notion that Bowlen didn’t reach out directly to Cutler, suggesting that any owner would set up a call through a GM or a personal assistant.
I hope that my avatar is a sign of things to come for a verrrrry long time :-)
Cutler should talk to Matt Cassel because Matt sat on the bench for the first however many years of his career.
Did you see Cassel crying on the sidelines…NO! That’s because he came from a winning school…USC. Meanwhile Jay came from Vandy…a school that has problems with football. I’m not saying Jay sucks but he doesn’t come from a winning program.
What I want the Broncos to do before the start of next season:
1) Improve the defense drastically.
2) Improve terms with Jay Cutler.
3) Talk Jay into firing Bus Cook as his agent.
4) Sign Torry Holt to a 1 year deal.
Let's go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's because he was picking up a hefty paycheck for sitting on his ass all day
Two best jobs in the NFL, Punter and Back-up QB.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness
One more thing
What school does it matter that he came from:
Elway came from a similar school in Stanford and had very similar record in college, no bowl games, a losing record, can you fault Cutler for going to a great academic school.
Just cause a QB goes to USC does not guarentee greatness:
I give you Matt Leinart, John David Booty, and Todd Marinavich (sp?) to name a few.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness
Plus, I'm not saying that just because you go to a better school means you are a better player, I'm just saying that one QB is used to winning and the other isn't
For me, part of how I measure how valuable a player is, is by how the handle adversity. I can’t stand Vince Young because of how he handles the ‘boos’ from the crowd. Jay needed to get over him…POSSIBLY being shopped, and he never did. So now we are in the situation where he needs to go unless Jay says everything is okay, which I doubt is going to happen.
What I want the Broncos to do before the start of next season:
1) Improve the defense drastically.
2) Improve terms with Jay Cutler.
3) Talk Jay into firing Bus Cook as his agent.
4) Sign Torry Holt to a 1 year deal.
Let's go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jay is used to winning...
…when his defense holds up their end of the bargain. Why do we have to hear about him being a loser when all the elite quarterbacks have the same type of dismal record if their defense gives up the house in points. Enough with that crappy argument. Wherever he goes, the offense will instantly improve, just like ours did when he took over for Plummer. Wait. Plummer had a better record, with inferior offensive output…I gues that means Jake was better than Cutler. I get how this works now.
by HACK10 on Apr 1, 2009 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions
John David Booty has been in the NFL 1 year man...give him a break.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Well, would you rather have Mark Sanchez from USC or Jay Cutler from Vandy...say Cutler is in this year's draft, and would be a rookie again.
What I want the Broncos to do before the start of next season:
1) Improve the defense drastically.
2) Improve terms with Jay Cutler.
3) Talk Jay into firing Bus Cook as his agent.
4) Sign Torry Holt to a 1 year deal.
Let's go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Umm...knowing what I know now or what I knew in December of 2008?
Now, I’d take neither. or Matt Stafford.
In December, no question it would be Cutler.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Ditto
Stafford is starting to look pretty good to me. He seems to have the arm to dish it in the Denver weather.
"THIS IS SPARTA!!!" -- papigrande
"The cutsper gives up 100 000 dollars guy, come on custper you should show up and then give the 100 000 dollar to me so I can put down payment on the bronco cheerleader retire home where they can sit and eat all kind of pizza and chip and not have to worry any more about make for little waist in off seasnoal" -- Horvil Tiki
by broncosmontana on Apr 1, 2009 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Sanchez,,,I think he has more talent than any of the USC QB's before him...Carson Palmer included.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Careful who you dis...
Leinart may end up as Cutler’s long term replacement. About 8 out of 10 scouts thought Matt was the better QB coming out of college, don’t forget.
8 to 10 scouts were WRONG.
Leinart is a bust..3 years and not a starter? Come on. That’s as epic of a fail as you can be as a Top 10 QB.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
8 out of 10?
Please. Any reasonable football fan could see that bust from a mile away. Leinart was knocked mercilessly leading up to the draft because his arm strength was (and still is) comparable to an 80-year-old quadriplegic. Young had question marks for not having sound pocket presence. Cutler, while largely unknown, had great mechanics and won SEC honors (no small feat in one of the biggest football conferences, while playing for one of its worst programs no less).
This isn’t hindsight at work. Many people felt that Cutler was the best QB coming out of that draft, and 3 years later, that’s held true. Of course, all 3 have demonstrated complete lack of mental fortitude required at the NFL level, but that’s another discussion for another day…
If I knew that Jay was going to turn into this rocket arm QB, I would take him. I'm not saying taking Jay three years ago was a bad move. Just that he doesn't handle adversity very well...or he has a good agent...in terms of getting you money.
What I want the Broncos to do before the start of next season:
1) Improve the defense drastically.
2) Improve terms with Jay Cutler.
3) Talk Jay into firing Bus Cook as his agent.
4) Sign Torry Holt to a 1 year deal.
Let's go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leinart was a starter for parts of his first two seasons..
..and lost the job due to injuries as much as anything else. Not to mention that he has a future Hall of Famer and current near MVP playing in front of him at the moment. Cassel didn’t do too badly once Brady went down, and Matt C. never started a game in college (and lasted until the 7th round) because HE WAS PLAYING BEHIND LEINART. As I recall.
…so if the Broncos preferred Cassel over Cutler, and coaches and scouts preferred Leinart over Cassel, where does that leave Jay in the pecking order?
Everyone is being a bit revisionist about that draft..
Leinart and Vince Young were a tossup for consensus top QB. Cutler was third in all but a few eyes at the time. Will he turn out to be the best of the three? Most of the story is still to be written. I have a feeling that if he was on the same team as Kurt Warner the past couple of seasons he wouldn’t have racked up 4000 passing yards by any means. On the balance, I would still take Leinart first of the three, but truthfully any one of them could be regarded as top dog a couple years down the road. Look how the perspective on Eli Manning/Phillip Rivers/Ben Roethlisberger has changed during the course of the five seasons they have been in the NFL.
I was thinking about that.
Trade the 49ers for the two firsts and a second and Smith for Cutler? :) I’d take that. Alex Smith flourished with a QB friendly coach and languished under Nolan. Which is also why I don’t think we will get smith…we have Nolan. lol
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
…Alex Smith missed a good part of his rookie season due to injury, but the next year (at the age of 22) in THE ONLY FULL HEALTHY SEASON HE HAS HAD, Smith’s numbers on a very bad 49er team were nearly identical to what current hotshot fave Joe Flacco managed on a much better Baltimore Raven team last season. Flacco was A YEAR AND A HALF OLDER than Smith was in 2006. Does anyone think that Flacco is a bust? For that matter there isn’t a lot of difference between what Smith did at 22 than what last year’s top pick Matt Ryan managed in 2008 at the age of 23. Take away the injuries and who knows where Smith could be now. As it is, he remains with the 49ers and will “compete for the starting position with Shaun Hill” in the upcoming season. If he is fully healed I like his chances.
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