Outsider's Take on the Cutler Saga
Hello everyone- I've never really posted here before, but for some reason or another I feel compelled to chime in on the events that are transpiring in Devner. As you can tell by my name i'm a huge Gators fan, and I follow the Dolphins in the NFL. That being said, I have been a lurker on this site for a while for a few reasons. I did spend several pleasant years in Colorado Springs during the Elway years, and I have a lot of fond memories of going to games to see your team, and I try to at least keep up with the news. You also have a TON of great contributers here, who write very knowledgable and informative posts about football in general.
I know 99% of the people on this site are not going to care about what I write at all, and the rest of you are only going to care insomuch as you think that I am an idiot. Either way, its the offseason, and I'm bored- so here it goes.
From a (mostly) unbiased outsiders view, I think that a lot of the fans here are looking a gift horse in the mouth with Cutler.
As a Dolphins fan, I see you guys as having been a bit spoiled. You enjoyed a relatively rare period of stability with Shanahan as your coach. Even your "lean years" for QB after your hall of famer left were not that bad- we both suffered through Brian Griese- and then you had Jake Plummer, and the man himself, Cutler. Compare that to the Dolphins who have seen a staggering 13 quarterbacks start games since Marino's last season- each one worse than the last until Pennington came along. Not to mention 5 different head coaches.
As a fan, suffering through all of this has taught me two things. #1) If you have even an above average QB, KEEP HIM unless you have a sure thing to replace him. #2) Coaches do not always know what is best for the team- even in their supposed area of expertise. Take Cam Cameron, supposed (and maybe actual) offensive genius. He fielded some very good offenses in San Diego. He even picked up after us in Baltimore and did decently. But when he was here? We had one of the most atrocious offenses on the planet. Maybe having Drew Brees as your QB, and LaDanian Tomlinson had something to do with his genius? I couldn't tell you for certain, but when he was here, he certainly couldn't make something out of nothing.
Of Course, McDaniels is famed for being the guiding hand behind the recording breaking Patriot's 2007 season, and then following it up with an 11 win season with a QB who hadn't started since highschool.
However, consider it this way. If McDaniels isn't there in 2007- how many TDs do you think Brady still throws for? Was his coaching the missing peice? Or was it having Wes Welker, Randy Moss, and Tom Brady all having been in an offense for enough time to be comfortable and establish a repoire? I personally think that was a much bigger peice of the puzzle. As for Cassel- did McDaniels do something any other coach couldn't have done- especially considering he had the mad genius Bill Belichick behind him? The guy had years learning the system, and 2 all pro wide receivers to throw to. I don't know how many of you are familiar with the 'Air Yards" statistic being tracked over at Advanced NFL Stats, but I suggest checking it out. Cassel had quite a bit of heavy lifting done for him by his receivers. 57% of his yards were YAC, the highest percentage in the NFL. That's the Pats system you say? In 2007, Brady had only 42% of his yards as YAC.
Really, I am starting to see a trend emerge for former Belichick assistants- and one that is probably immensely disappointing to their mentor. That is a trend of inflexibility. Does anyone here remember when Mangini took over the Jets? One of his most famous moves was to force a 3-4 defense onto a personnel group that was set up for a 4-3. Compare that to Belichick mentor Bill Parcells in Dallas who took several seasons to fully convert his defense until he had the proper players on the roster. I see another Eric Mangini at work here on your offense.
This article from yesterday made the point that the Patriots offense was influenced by Urban Meyer. I can tell you this is absolutely true. Belichick is a fixture in Gainesville during the offseason. Last year he joined Meyer at the basketball games, and Meyer was seen sporting Pats gear on a mission trip. I've seen UF Plays in Foxborough, and Patriots Plays in Gainesville.
From I've seen so far, don't expect any Meyer or Patriot like results from McDaniels. Truth is, there is no 'Meyer Offense' or 'Patriot Offense'. SlowWhiteGuy's comment in the article of "what works" is exactly right. Meyer and Belichick are so successful because of their flexibility. They play to the strengths of their players, and avoid their weakpoints. If you look at the Gator's offense with Chris Leak in 2006, it is totally different from the Tebow offense of 2007, which in itself is totally different from the offense of 2008. With the Patriots, they definitely didn't run the same offense with Cassel as they did with Brady. In short, they don't force a system onto players, they mold the system to fit the team they have.
To me, McDaniels making a play for Cassel demonstrates the complete opposite of this flexible philosophy. Instead of adapting his schemes to take advantage of a superior tool in Cutler, he instead fealt compelled to make a play for a guy who would have a better foundation in the offense in the short term- but is far more limited in the long term. To me, it comes across as a grab for a security blanket.
As far as calling Cutler a 'crybaby'- have any of you tried to put yourself in his shoes? I know- the NFL is a business. But I work for a business too. Say I am an in demand employee who could find work at any company in my industry. For one reason or another, my boss at my company was replaced- and his successor tried to ship me out in favor of one of his mid level managers at his old company. I can guarantee you my resume would be out to 10 different companies the next day. The business works both ways, and if I am made to feel disposable, it is only human nature that I try to go to a situation that is more stable. It is a business for your team, but its also a business for the players, and they have every right, IMO, to act as such.
And all this talk about how he is a liar, the coaching staff was trying to make nice, and spoiled old Jay just wouldn't talk? OK- Cutler is not a saint in this, but why would anyone take the word of the team at face value either? They are also pushing an agenda and are putting their own slant on the story.
At the beginning of the coaching search we got this:
“I talked to (QB) Jay Cutler, and Jay understood the conversation. I talked to him this morning. I didn’t get any negative feedback. I think he understands enough about the business of football, the game of football, that there are going to be coaching changes and changes in organizations. I didn’t sense that Jay had any negative feelings about it, and I’m sure he is very interested in who is going to be the next head coach. Obviously, he is the man around here now, so I will be talking with Jay.” (emphasis added)
And now we here "Oh, I don't remember talking to Jay". I also read a refutation of Cutler saying he didn't get any calls that said the owner doesn't talk directly to the players- he uses the GM or an assistant for that. But he clearly stated he DOES talk to him. So which is it? They are both telling their own version of the truth- I can't see how you give more credence to the teams over Cutler's though. When you hear Cutler say, " I never asked for a trade" before this, take it with a grain of salt. But if you hear the team say, "We didn't start this, he asked to be traded"- take it with the same grain of salt.
What it really boils down to is this though: back in January, TheSportsGuru wrote this article stating his desire to leave well enough alone with the offense, and fix the defense. What has changed since then? I would have been much more worried about where my hulking, yet athletic nose tackle is going to come from instead of how I need to replace my probowl QB.
Thats the end of my rant, feel free to insult me below.
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Well, I can always appreciate someone elses opinions
and I respect yours, there’s a lot of different things that factored into this whole thing though.
Back in January, Bowlen said that with the intention of Cutler actually working with the new head coach.
Cutler went from Pro Bowl, future great quarterback to whiny little bitch when he made a huge fuss about McDaniels listening to other teams offers.
Regardless of Cutlers abilities, unless your team just went 16-0 and smoked every team in the playoffs, YOU LISTEN TO OFFERS… I think McDaniels being a new coach isn’t going to ignore any deal that comes up because the fact is, there is other quarterbacks out there that are better than Cutler.
If Indy or New England came to us and made some kind of offer for Manning or Brady, farfetched as that is, I would at least listen.
The fact of the matter is, NO ONE is safe, and Cutler clearly believes he was immune to any trade talks. While he was pretty much safe in his role as the starter here, he still got butt hurt about someone answering the call.
Cutler is skilled, sure. But everything else he does really makes it hard to get behind him as a player…and even harder to get behind him as a person.
Peyton Hillis in '09.
Name him---Mr. Balls....or Thunderpussy.
But don't you think there is a difference
between entertaining a trade for Peyton Manning, or a trade for Matt Cassel? To continue my business analogy- if my boss told me he was going to swap me out for Warren Buffett- I probably couldn’t say much. But if he said I’m going to replace you with the this hobo I found on the corner, I’d be pretty upset. And for the record, yes, I think Cassel is a bum- he has none of the physical tools you want to see in a QB, and if you face a team that tackles well and limits YAC, he offers no down field threat to keep the D honest. Why do you think teams were involved in a 3 way trade to get Cassel to Denver, and get Cutler for themselves. If Cassel was any good, they would just go straight for him don’t you think?
I think you have to consider the circumstances around it to put his reaction in perspective. I just don’t think its a fair analogy to say its the same to consider a trade for Tom Brady as it is to consider getting Cassel.
Also- whether Denver just listened to trades or actively instigated them depends on who you listen to wouldn’t you say? There are rumors both ways- (I also heard a rumor that Bellichick and the Pats are the ones who leaked the news out to spite McDaniels – if so then that is down right soap opera-ish).
The real point is though, why are you listening to offers on the best piece of your team? From the perspective of someone who hasn’t had an even average quarterback from about 2000-2007, IMO a great QB is a foundation to build on- not a bartering piece. To be completely honest, I am astounded that the front office is retooling the offense with relatively minor attention being paid to the defense. I can tell you from experience, Andre Goodman and Renaldo Hill were not the best pick-ups on D and you guys gave them an absurd amount of money, even if they never see a dime beyond the guaranteed $$.
I definitely understand the support the team is getting. At the end of the day, the Broncos will be whats left, and Cutler will be playing for someone else. I just think it needs to be OK to question these guys, because I’ve drunk my share of Kool-Aid and been let down many times.
Winner of the 2009 Bill Parcells Award.
Less Lonely Leader of the Percy Harvin Bandwagon.
Let's understand something...
There was never a discussion of trading Cutler for Cassel straight across. that keeps getting tossed around but it is a complete mis-characterization. By all accounts it was a discussion of Cassel and multiple draft picks for Cutler. That is a much different story and for a team with as many holes on defense as we had last year it had to be considered. I only fault the FO for having not thought out this scenario in advance a little more. But new coaches and new GMs are going to make mistakes.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 1, 2009 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
well to find the common ground between your Dolphins and my Broncos...
you just need more ORANGE Kool Aid, my friend.
Peyton Hillis in '09!
It's simple math, the Denver Broncos will succeed in 2009 with the addition of 20, but minus 6.
He may be a gift horse...
But like all horses, if they dont perform and do their part they are either shot, put out to pasture or turned into glue.
Cutler whined, bitched and little boyed his way out of Denver.
This will galvanize the real fans, the team and the organization. this team will be better off without Jay Cutler…which is a shame!
Thanks for the post man and welcome.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
thanks for sharing
I like hearing different points of view. What you say makes sense and is better written then other pro-cutler stuff people have been throwing out here. It misses a couple of things though:
Cutler has repeatedly shown through actions that he does not want to be a Denver Bronco and has been acting with that bent since the coaching change.
He could have fixed this at any point by talking to the coaches without his grease-ball agent in the room.
He isn’t mature enough to return Bowlen’s phone calls.
Yes we are missing out on a really great QB, but he is losing more. We are a really REALLY great team with a fantastic owner. He won’t have nearly the same thing wherever he ends up.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
Sometimes you have to say goodby
Divorce is an ugly thing. Regardless of all the MSN, if one party does not want to reconcile, there are no options. Here we are.
Peace to both parties.
Coach, I am Hurt, Not Dead - Remember the Titans
One thing all of us over look
I think the real problem here in Denver is that sense Pat has owned the Broncos we as fans have never realy had to deal with a high profile squable like this.In most cases it is delt with in private the players,coaches,owner and fans have never realy had to deal with such,for lack of a better word,T.O.ness.Lets be honest the Denver area fans have never had to deal with crybaby athletes for more then a few days in any of our sports until the nugets brought in A.I. and now Cutler.I hope as a Bronco fan this is not something we have to get use to.
Cutler's gone
just like A.I.
Now Billups, that’s a guy you can get behind.
Peyton Hillis in '09!
It's simple math, the Denver Broncos will succeed in 2009 with the addition of 20, but minus 6.
Right on Robsey
Colorado is full of people who enjoy sports and their teams. The Broncos were our first Major League Team and we suffered and then we won. Not slighting the Aves or Rockies.
Let’s see how this goes down. The ball is in Mr. Cutler’s court.
Coach, I am Hurt, Not Dead - Remember the Titans
Good post
I’m not a Cutler lover by any means. I just have a hard time seeing a whole lot of good in this. Being in the military, all my friends are from all over the states and therefore are fans of all kinds of teams. The common thread is all those fans have been praying, wishing, begging for a quarterback. Here we are as Bronco fans praying, wishing, begging to be in their shoes. I just keep seeing flashbacks of the early 2000’s, and I cringe every time. Maybe most of you guys enjoyed those years.
My 2 cents. Nobody is blameless here. I don’t see one person involved in this mess being squeeky clean right now. It’s just double speak from Bowlen, McX, and Cutler.
09 Broncos, from re-tooling the D, to complete rebuilding.
Agreed.
This is a clusterf*** on the part of everyone involved. There is no way that Jay Cutler should end up playing for another team. He likely will though because a bunch of egos blew up on each other in a giant narcissistic circle jerk
The only ones really getting screwed here are Denver fans who love their team. And GatorPhan is right, we Broncos fans are spoiled. But as I’ve said elsewhere, that was one of the advantages of rooting for our team. The Broncos have been consistently competitive and stable for 30 years. We really don’t have any clue how to deal with the sheer ridiculousness of such an absurd situation.
Same here
You’re right about the fans getting screwed in this deal. I’ll never stop being a Broncos fan, but I am sorely disappointed with everybody involved. And no matter how you look at it, somebody involved with this shady business will still be in the Bronco’s organization. I think it’s time to get rid Cutler, but that still leaves McD, X, and Bowlen. I just have a hard time trusting anybody, I’ll just have to root for the uniform.
Great Post GatorPhan
Your opinions are welcome here any time you wish.
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