What a misleading stat
by c_style on Apr 11, 2009 3:37 AM MDT
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PrintWe have all heard the stat thrown around about Cutler being 13-1 when the Broncos allow 21 or fewer points. This stat has been used by the media and by fans alike to bolster the argument of why Cutler is such a great QB and to simultaneously show how awful the Broncos defense has been during JC's tenure here in Denver. This stat never did sit well with me.
I agree Cutler's overall record of 17-20 as a starter is more of an indication of the Bronco's performance over the last 37 games rather than JC's performance over that time span, and I also agree that our defense has been bad since 2006, which is when Cutler made his debut. However, this stat seems to me to be reaching for something to prove Cutler is an elite QB in the league, which I don't agree with. At least he has not reached that level yet, in my mind. I felt this stat was misleading in how it was being thrown around in regards to only 1 player.
The one thing that this stat made me think of as soon as I heard it was that I'm sure most, if not all, NFL QB's have pretty good Win/Loss records when their teams allow 21 points or less. Well here is that data listed in order of win percentage:
Career Win/Loss record when team holds opponents to 21 points or less
1) Matt Schaub - Texans - 9W 0L 1.00
2) Matt Ryan - Falcons - 8W 0L 1.00
3) Tom Brady - Pats - 70W 5L .933
4) Jay Cutler - Bears - 13W 1L .928
5) Peyton Manning - Colts - 85W 7L .923
6) Tony Romo - Cowboys - 19W 2L .904
7) Phillip Rivers - Chargers - 28W 3L .903
8) Matt Cassel - Chiefs - 9W 1L .900
9) Ben Roethlisberger - Steelers - 46W 6L .884
10) Vince Young - Titans - 15W 2L .882
11) Matt Leinart - Cardinals - 7W 1L .875
12) Carson Palmer - Bengals - 25W 4L .862
13) Eli Manning - Giants - 30W 5L .857
14) Marc Bulger - Rams - 26W 5L .838
15) Drew Brees - Saints - 44W 9L .830
16) Matt Hasselbeck - Seahawks - 47W 10L .824
17) Joe Flacco - Ravens - 9W 2L .818
18) Jake Delhomme - Panthers - 39W 12L .764
19) David Garrard - Jaguars - 24W 8L .750
20) Tavaras Jackson - Vikings - 9W 3L .750
21) Chad Pennington - Dolphins - 37W 13L .740
22) Kyle Orton - Broncos - 17W 6L .739
23) Donovan McNabb - Eagles - 67W 24L .736
24) Alex Smith - 49ers - 10W 4L .714
25) Brian Griese - Bucs - 37W 16L .698
26) Derek Anderson - Browns - 9W 5L .642
27) Trent Edwards - Bills - 9W 5L .642
28) Aaron Rodgers - Packers - 5W 3L .625
29) Jason Campbell - Redskins - 14W 9L .608
30) JaMarcus Russell - Raiders - 4W 3L .571
As I suspected, every QB has a winning record and almost all QB's have very impressive records under this criteria. While Cutler is among the top of the list, there are a lot of QB's whose winning percentages are right up there (8 above .900, 17 above .800).
While it is true that Cutler is 13-1 when his team holds the opposition under 21, it is also true that Vince Young is 15-2, Matt Leinart is 7-1, and Matt Schaub and Matt Ryan are undefeated at 9-0 and 8-0 respectively. All this stat proves is that NFL QB's win a lot of games when their teams hold opponents to under 21 points.
***Notes: Minimum amount of pass attempts per game was 5. I found a couple of games that would have counted one way or the other but the QB's only attempted 1 or 2 passes, so I set the minimum at 5. I did not include Collins, Warner, or Culpepper because I'm lazy and they have played forever (particularly the first 2). I did not include the Jets because Clemens didn't have enough data, and I did not include the Lions because of my previously mentioned laziness (honestly I just ran out of steam).***
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These stats were for when teams hold the opposition to 21 points or less. Not less than 21 points.
If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.
wow i never realized this, good post,
but i dont understand this last part.
These stats were for when teams hold the opposition to 21 points or less. Not less than 21 points
so ur saying basically that these stats included teams that scored 21 points right? or did i read that wrong?
I Never Understood Why This Was Used
I’d like to know what it is when the opponent is in that 22-27 range. That’s the money range, right around 24. Then it’s not a shootout, and it’s not a defensive struggle.
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great post c_s
I love a good stat, but there are so many you can read what you want into and interpret to suit your point of view.
I must admit to rolling my eyes every time I heard this particular stat repeated during McJaygate. A good QB wins more often when his defence plays well? Well, you don’t say! Who’d have thought a QB under less pressure would make fewer mistakes.
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by Orange & Blue Badger on Apr 11, 2009 5:00 AM MDT reply actions
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by Mile High Mania on Apr 11, 2009 5:30 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I was going to say this quote if no one else did.
by Royal With Cheese on Apr 13, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Shhh...
What are you doing with actual research?!?!?! You’ll never make the MSM unless you parrot the company line in order to foment contraversy!!!
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Those be fighting words, mate!
us parrots in the MSM do research! You think we like listening to Mike & Mike in the morning? Tell me, where else are we going to get our information?
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by bcfunk on Apr 11, 2009 7:14 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I've got to give 2 rec's
One to c_style for taking the initiative to examine a blithe statement and see where it leads, and one to funky for that great parrot!
Hillis in '09
Ditto for me, but some of those QBs at the bottom must have had really feeble offenses
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Apr 11, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I often thought about the opposite
If Jay was 13-1 when opponents were held to 21 points or less, he must have been 4-19 when we really needed the offence to come up big.
by Jeeeeens on Apr 11, 2009 6:44 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Excellent point
If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.
+1
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by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 11, 2009 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Excellent question
there’s this myth that the offense was putting up all these points and the defense was letting games get away. while the defense has been lousy, under cutler, in games where the offense scored at least 21 points the Broncos were 15-3. Conversely, in games where the offense scored less than 21 points the Broncos were 2-16.
As TSG pointed out years ago (I guess it was only January but it feels like years ago) the Broncos were winning close and losing in blowouts. It was a team effort good and bad.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 11, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
0-5
Jay Cutler’s record in games that could have put us in the playoffs.
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by broncosmontana on Apr 12, 2009 6:48 AM MDT up reply actions
He's gonna have to get a team to the playoffs first
Not sayin’ he won’t, just sayin’…
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by broncosmontana on Apr 12, 2009 6:50 AM MDT up reply actions
oops, that reply was meant for lovewatchin below
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by broncosmontana on Apr 12, 2009 6:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Thank you!
If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.
Really nice job
That was a very interesting read…thanks for the research and hard work.
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Excellent post my friend and recommended!
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I love being the 5th RECD as well!
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Exactly what I suspected
I was too lazy to do the research, though. Glad you weren’t. Jay has a really good record when his team holds opponents several points under the league average? Who’da thunk it?
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I wanted to do the same study
But like Spoc was too lazy. I figured it would be what you wrote with most QB’s having great records when their opponent scores 21 or less. Thanks for the verification!
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Nice Work!
I love it when the media throws out stats without any context. A stat is just number until you put it in context.
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by ColoradoOwl on Apr 11, 2009 9:11 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Jay Cutler is 17 - 0 when his team scores more points than the opposition team!
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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
by boydy2669 on Apr 11, 2009 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course I was being facetious...
But I love this post as it show that stats can be turned around anyway that you want to read them.
The fact is that anyone who is starting in the NFL at QB is pretty frickin good and will have good and bad days.
Jay is a good QB. Orton is a good QB, and they will be affected by supporting cast and other uncontrollable factors like weather etc.
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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
The media plays the same games as the government
Jay Cutler is 13-1 when scoring over 21 points, and the unemployment rate is at 8.5% when not including those who have given up looking for work or who those who are underemployed. yada yada
Or even better, like our national budget deficit is a paltry $400 billion. HA!
Ok, I am yapping about inconsequential crap. Great post man! rec’d fo sho.
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Great post
I like that you used the same criteria for each QB. Kind of shows how meaningless statistics can be used to manipulate the reader. Thanks for the great research.
Great post, rec'd
and for what it’s worth, this statistic has always struck me like “If your defense keeps the opposing offense from scoring, you win”
it’s kinda an oxymoron in my opinion.
"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall
Rec'd
Don’t forget that the vaunted 2008 Broncos defense was 7-0 when the offense scored 24 or more points.
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May I qoute myself?
Every team has a 100% winning record when they outscore the opposition.
I’ve always thought the idea of a team having an excellent wining record when holding the opposition to 21 or less points was absurd, because, OF COURSE THAT’S TRUE! It’s like many other silly phrases. “The team with the better turnover margin usualy wins” (well, yeah), and “the team that controls the clock wins more often than not” (no kidding?)
I replied to a comment sometime last week about this very stat (the 21 and under defense). This led to me reply that the team that scores more wins every time, and it got a few laughs. Thanks for backing it up with the numbers.
Rec’d!
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Excellent post
I haven’t liked this stat since the first time I heard it, but like others I was too lazy to do all the research. Glad to see that the numbers show it is a pretty useless stat.
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Orton
I also notice that our man Orton was 17-6 (.736) in such games which, although 23rd on the list, is not too shabby considering the struggles of his offense as a whole.
Style of play
I also think that the style of play of individual teams contributes to some QB’s being lower on the list than others. The Bears with Orton had a good D so they were content to play conservatively on O and try to rely on their D kept them in many low scoring games. Many of Orton’s losses in this stat were games that the Bears lost with scores like 13-17 or 17-20.
This also contributes to many more games that fall into this criteria. Orton had a total of 23 such games even though out of his 4 years in the league he didn’t play at all in 2006 and played only 3 games in 2007. This is true for Roethlisberger as well. The Steelers play a similar style of football and he logged 52 such games in only 5 NFL seasons.
If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.
Upcoming 2009 Stat...........
Denver’s new dynamic defense has helped Kyle Orton to a 13-0 record when they hold teams to 21 points or less.
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Little, Wright, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
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And just to cover other posibilities
Upcoming 2009 Stat……..
Denver’s new dynamic defense has helped Chris Simms to a 13-0 record when they hold teams to 21 points or less.
I think that says it all.
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Little, Wright, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Excellent as always Mike Clark!
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My old friend Mr. Obvious strikes again
Using a stat like “Cutler is 13-1 when the defense allows 21pts or less” is like John Madden saying “Well you see, when you score more points than the other team, you’re gonna win the game” Gee thank you Mr. Obvious, where would I be without you. Great Post by the way and good initiative to search for the truth.
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Excellent job to keep the spin doctors in line. Thanks for doing the hard work in your research C-Style, we appreciate it!
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by Denver Diehard on Apr 12, 2009 12:39 AM MDT reply actions
good job on the research
Just wondering what happens when you run the stats out and include:
Yards per year?
Touchdowns versus int"s
Pro-bowl selections (how valuable to the team?)
Stat after Stat
I realize Jay C isn’t the most popular football player in Denver but I am thinking that it may not be soon (perhaps next year or the year after) that everyone else in the NFL will be singing his praises. Maybe even Superbowl MVP. Maybe I’m wrong but how embarrassing if all the naysayers in Denver are wrong? What if he is the real deal? Isn’t it better to reserve judgment until after the fat lady sings? Wouldn’t it be better to just let him slip out of Denver now that he is gone and just direct the attention to who is in Denver and who will now have an impact on the team.
Just a thought
by lovewatchinthegame on Apr 12, 2009 1:23 AM MDT reply actions
Good points...
Even if he is a NFL SB MVP I will always think we did the correct thing trading him.
He was going to be devisive to this team….regardless of talent.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
He's gonna have to get a team to the playoffs first
Not sayin’ he won’t, just sayin’ he hasn’t.
It’s easy to love potential but we did not give away John Elway.
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by broncosmontana on Apr 12, 2009 6:52 AM MDT up reply actions
The only statistical category
that cutler was a leader in was total passing yards – he was second but he also had the second most passing attempts. BTW: there is a negative correlation between passing attempts and winning (teams that pass more usually lose).
In all the other statistical categories he was slightly above average of slightly below average. The two categories that directly correlate with winning and losing are yards per attempt (YPA) and interceptions. In terms of YPA he was #12. He threw the second most int but since he also threw the second most passes that’s a little misleading. I haven’t run the numbers myself but I seem to remember seeing his interception rate was 17th.
he certainly is an up and coming player, but he has a long way to go before he is an elite QB.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 12, 2009 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting...
Thanks for explaining that, it makes sense that those stats would really tell the true story.
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Right now
The Bears have a 21st-in-th-league defense who gives up 21.9 pts per game. They will need to upgrade it, and/or get some receivers (and another RB) before they take any SB bows. However – you’re right. There is a little ‘spin’ going on to help us deal with the loss of Cutler, and we’ll be well off to look at all the players on our team that can help us win right now, and who will after the draft.
Hillis in '09
I've been having this argument with all kinds of Chiefs fans.
Another note- look at how many turnovers Jay had in the games where we gave up 22 or more versus when we didn’t. When we gave up a lot of points, it was often because he turned the ball over a lot and gave the other team’s offense a short field and easy points.
Oh, and great research too. Rec’d!
I seem to have lost my future self.
To wit:
Week 2: 38 points allowed to SD in a Win. (0) turnover margin, 1 total turnovers, a shootout, Cutler 1 INT
Week 3: 32 points allowed to NO in a Win. (-1) turnover margin, 2 total turnovers, a shootout, Cutler 1 INT
Week 4: 33 points allowed to KC in a Loss. (-3) turnover margin, 4 total turnovers, a blowout, Cutler 2 INT
Week 6: 24 points allowed to JAX in a Loss. (-1) turnover margin, 3 total turnovers, physically dominated, Cutler 1 INT
Week 7: 41 points allowed to NE in a Loss. (-5) turnover margin, 5 total turnovers, a blowout, Cutler 2 INT
Week 9: 26 points allowed to MIA in a Loss. (-2) turnover margin, 3 total turnovers, a failure to execute, Cutler 3 INT
Week 10: 30 points allowed to CLE in a Win. (0) turnover margin, 1 total turnovers, a shootout, Cutler 1 INT
Week 12: 31 points allowed to OAK in a Loss. (-2) turnover margin, 2 total turnovers, a blowout, Cutler 1 INT
Week 15: 30 points allowed to CAR in a Loss. (-1) turnover margin, 2 total turnovers, physically dominated, Cutler 1 INT
Week 16: 30 points allowed to BUF in a Loss. (-2) turnover margin, 2 total turnovers, failure to execute, Cutler 1 INT
Week 17: 52 points allowed to SD in a Loss. (-2) turnover margin, 2 total turnovers, a blowout, Cutler 2 INT
Totals: 4-8 record (.500), (-19) turnover margin, 27 total turnovers (2.4 per game), 16 INTs (Cutler threw 60percent of the turnovers)
Compared to:
Week 1: 14 points allowed to OAK in a Win. (1) turnover margin, 0 total turnovers, a blowout, Cutler 0 INT
Week 5: 13 points allowed to TB in a Win. (0) turnover margin, 1 total turnovers, a close win, Cutler 0 INT
Week 11: 20 points allowed to ATL in a Win. (1) turnover margin, 0 total turnovers, a close win, Cutler 0 INT
Week 13: 17 points allowed to NYJ in a Win. (+1) turnover margin, 1 total turnovers, a close win, Cutler 1 INT
Week 14: 17 points allowed to KC in a Win. (-1) turnover margin, 1 total turnovers, a close win, Cutler 1 INT
Totals: 5-0 record (1.000), (+2) turnover margin, 3 total turnovers (.6 per game), 2 INTs (Cutler threw 66percent of the turnovers)
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by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 12, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
To get an idea
of what Cutler could have done to help the team over the hump, just consider what happens if he reduces the turnovers by as little 30 percent. Overall you can reduce the turnover margin by 1 in each game. Close wins become comfortable wins, and a lot of those (-1) turnover games(losses) become (0) turnover games (wins…in theory) and the (-2) games become a slightly more manageable (-1) game.
The difference in the record if the QB is a game changer instead of a compiler? 10-6 most likely, but possibly as high as 12-4. Cutler could have made them better, but as it was, he was more likely to make them worse, in any given game….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 12, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Excellent point
which clearly makes a case for a guy like McDaniels to come in and help him improve vs. Jeremy Bates who really seemed more friend and less mentor to Jay.
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by broncosmontana on Apr 14, 2009 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions
wouldn't it make sense that your qb would have most of your turnovers?
I don’t disagree that JC threw to many picks, but seeing as the qb handles the ball every play it would stand to reason that he would have the most opportunities and consequently the highest percentage to the team’s turnovers. Is his ~60% of turnovers number substanially different than other qbs?
by laser rocket arm on Apr 15, 2009 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions
good point
60 percent in a vacuum tells us nothing. The point wasn’t really to say that Cutler was better or worse than someone else, just that he had a huge impact. But comparison is needed to see the impact. In general, the best QBs (in terms of winning games) are right around 50% of their teams turnovers, which makes sense.
What I looked at was the ratio of plays the Qb ran to the ratio of turnovers he had for the team. Generally the good QBs matched up: Rivers had ~55% of the teams turnovers on ~53% of the plays. Pennington had ~53% of the teams turnovers on ~51% of the plays. Cutler was slightly better than good here, at ~60% of the turnovers on ~61% of the plays. The best by far was Kurt Warner, who accounted for only ~48% of the teams turnovers, despite running ~64% of the teams plays. The worst by far was Brett Favre who accounted for ~73% of the teams turnovers while only running ~55% of the plays. There were some surprises as well: P.Manning was terrible with ~71% of the turnovers on ~60% of the plays, but it was a tale of two seasons for him. The early season saw him struggling from the staph infection, the second half saw him back to probowl shape. Also the other SB QB, Big Ben, had ~60% of the turnovers on ~50% of the plays. His was definitely a case of “right place, right time” which has sort of been the story of his career.
Here are some additional stats.
QB INT rates
Pennington ~1.4%
Cassel ~2.1%
Manning ~2.1%
Rivers ~2.1%
Warner ~2.3 %
Rodgers ~2.4%
Flacco ~2.7%
Brees ~2.7%
Cutler ~3.0%
Romo ~3.1%
Roethlisberger ~3.2%
Favre ~4.2%
Pts/Pass
Rivers .49
Romo .40
Brees .37
Rodgers .37
Warner .35
Manning .34
Favre .29
Pennington .28
Cassel .28
Cutler .28
Roethlisberger .25
Flacco .22
Sack percentage
Roethlisberger ~9%
Cassel ~8.3%
Flacco ~7.1%
Rodgers ~5.8%
Favre ~5.5%
Rivers ~5%
Pennington ~4.7%
Romo ~4.3%
Warner ~4.2%
Breese ~2.9%
Manning ~2.4%
Cutler ~1.7%
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by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 15, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Those facts......
are enough to drive a sane man mad. I equate my lack of hair on my head to the maddening play of “the player who was a gunslinger without leadership”.
Very good and rec'd
It seems that this 13-1 record is one that my friends hold onto. Thanks for your time in this post, and filling out all the stats. Now I have the facts. Hopefully this will help the guys here in Pagosa feel a little better about our upcoming season. GO BRONCOS
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Thank you!
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If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.
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Yeah, same problem here too
My friends are always sending me links to freakin Denver Post articles on the Broncos. Each time I send them any news it is a link to this site but they just don’t seem to catch on. I think it’s more out of habit than anything, but they just don’t know what they are missing! I’m going to keep directing them to this site however, if I can just change 1 life for the better…LOL.
I’m glad to see I’m not the only one from our area on here as well!
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If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.
Wow
c_style, I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to read your post. However, you deserve all the kudos you’ve received so far, and then some. I have had the same feeling about such a stat – it’s pretty much worthless, and I commend you for such excellent research and a concise post. Beautifully done, rec’d with emphasis!
Thank you all for your praise
I’m happy that you all enjoyed the post and I’m glad to provide us all with the ammunition to counter any ridiculous argument that is based on or uses this stat in regards to “the player”.
If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.
Who's dat????
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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
Great post c_style!
immediatly after I heard that stat, I looked up the opposite and posted it all over The Broncos Bloggs 2-17 when Offense scores 20 or less. then I looked up turnovers. Cutlers turnovers added up to 78 points given away, just something else to think about.
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