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What is "The Mission" in 2009?

Between the end of the 2008 NFL Season and the draft of 2009, the Broncos have gone through major changes in identity.  Among these:

  1. Denver's two-time Super Bowl-winning coach Mike Shanahan was fired.
  2. Denver's QB of the future Jay Cutler demanded (and received) a trade elsewhere.
  3. Denver received a bag of first-day picks for '09 and '10.
  4. Along with the head-coaching change, Denver changed at offensive and defensive coordinators.
  5. Several players were let go, and several new players came aboard.
  6. Denver fans received the new schedule, and it looked brutal to most observers.

The thinking amongst fans can vary widely.  Those who look purely at the win / loss record will divide into "La La Land" optimists (those 13-3 types) and the "gloom and doom" crowd (those who believe the team record will be the same or worse).  Those views are fine, but there are other ways to judge a team.

Star-divide

Imagine a poor team has a moderate schedule and has a poor record.  Now imagine that the same team gets better with coaching personnel and players the following year, but faces a tougher schedule?  The team might be "better", but the tougher record could cover that up.  The team may have the same record the next year, or even lose an extra game or two.  Would it be fair to judge the team as "worse" off?

Let's take that thinking a step further.  What if everyone just "assumed" the team would perform poorly since the schedule was going to be tougher?  Perhaps the tougher team might be at a level to compete with teams that were previously thought to be too good.  Perhaps that team might now be at a level to compete on an even playing field.

Could Denver be such a team?  Consider the following thoughts.

Denver has improved at many player positions

Defense

First, consider the safety position.  Brian Dawkins is sorely missed in Philly right now.  He revolutionized the safety position in football, and (even at his age) continues to play at a star level.  Renaldo Hill lines up next to him.  Denver can still develop Josh Barrett and Vernon Fox behind them, or (as some fans hope) get a safety in this draft (perhaps Patrick Chung).

Two things come to mind here.  One, the personnel at safety are certainly an upgrade.  Two, with the new head coach and defensive coordinators running the show, the safety position will likely be used properly for the first time in about two years (safeties out of the box in zone support).  This should support the cornerback positions mightily.

And at corner, Denver still has Champ Bailey.  Across from him Denver has parted ways with Dre' Bly and picked up Andre' Goodman.  

I continue to feel Bly had a bad showing at the same time Bailey's stats dipped (neither had two "over safeties" for two years, and no pass-rush help up front in the same time period).  This was quadruple trouble for Bly, who also had to contend with extra passes (being across from Bailey) and the disadvantage of being a gambling-style CB without safety support.

Either way, Goodman is a solid CB and will have the advantage of better safety support and a more-aggressive pass rush.  (How do I know the pass rush will improve?  I think it is just reasonable to believe that our new coaching staff will not be rushing only three players like the old regime did.  Call it an educated hunch).  Rashod Moulton, Josh Bell, and Jack Williams might compete for the nickel position.  Then again, a draft pick may round out the position.

The linebackers still have Williams, the hands-down "safe" veteran on the corps.  Newcomer Andra Davis is likely to be the run stopper at an ILB position.  Fan favorite Wesley Woodyard is also likely in the mix.  If he can stay healthy, Boss Bailey is a contributor as well.  A lot of fans want to see Spencer Larsen at LB again (instead of FB).  Newcomer Darrell Reid might surprise a few folks, too.  This leaves Mario Haggan and Louis Green to fight for reserve spots on the depth chart.   Right?

Wrong!  In the hybrid 3-4 defense, we can expect some of the current DEs to get a shot at an OLB position.  Players like Doom (Elvis Dumervil) and Jarvis Moss have been discussed for such a role, and perhaps others.  I also haven't mentioned the possibility of a draft pick coming in and making some noise in camp this summer.

Now consider the following for the LB positions.  In a 3-4 defense, a team can have a group of linebackers that are not as elite as they would need to be in a 4-3.  The reason is because you have an extra LB on the field to play with.  Denver has quality linebackers, but may now add a LB on the field.  I think this bodes well for the defense.

The defensive line is the one question mark on the defense, but I think it is already in better hands than last year.  Ronnie Fields is a true NT, but may not be the answer.  Marcus Thomas or Carlton Powell might play at backup NT or move to DE.  In the meantime, our DEs can be contributors, but we might lose some of them to the OLB squad.  With improved coaching, a better system, and perhaps a draft pick, the line can't do worse than last year.  At the very least, with at least one LB joining the rush, we should see a better pass rush than we have for some time.

All in all, on the defense I expect that we are improved at SAF, CB, and LB.  At DL we will either break even or improve somewhat.  With the change in coaching, I expect the DL to get some help (such as an extra rusher, and an actual system so that players know what they're doing this year).  I'll be surprised if a draft pick or two isn't spent on the DL.

 

Offense

 

The first thing one notices is the loss of Cutler.  I've made my own thoughts on Jay clear.  I'm not going to start bashing him after believing he was our future QB last year.  We lost a good QB, but it was his own doing.  Story over.

However, the compensation we received was fantastic.  Two first-rounders and a third-rounder.  We also traded a fifth-rounder to get Orton (that's my context.  It wasn't a QB for QB trade).

Now we have two QBs that won't set the field on fire (Kyle Orton, Chris Simms), but they will be careful in managing the games they play.  Remember how bored Jake Plummer was when he was "forced" to manage games instead of being set loose?  Those were the games with no INTs, resulting in wins.  The same goes for Cutler.  Remember when he had to play a couple of teams where he was coached to just "take what they give you"?  He WON those games.  And that's what these guys do.  Boring?  Sure.  But I can do with a lot less INTs and a lot more balance on the offense.

And these QBs have excellent weapons.   Brandon Marshall is still here, and his (injured) arm is going to be better than last year.  Eddie Royal is still a high-octane performer.  Brandon Stokley is still one of the most dangerous threats at slot.  I'll take this combo of receivers any day.  Several other WRs are on the roster, but not likely at all to crack the starting lineup.

And we're improved at RB.  Peyton Hillis is healed, and will get a look (having survived the big purge in the offseason).  Ryan "The Train" Torain will get another chance to prove himself post injury.  While names like Selvin Young and Andre Hall are still around, it's hard not to notice pick-ups with names like J.J. Arrington and Correll Buckhalter.  Throw in LaMont Jordan to round out the roster, and this is a very deep running-back corps.

Most importantly, the OL coach (Rick Dennison) and RB coach (Bobby Turner) are still around after the "night of the long knives", so the running game is likely to be something to behold (having been shelved by last year's "pass happy" coordinator).

The OL is still intact.  The biggest need is depth for the future on the interior.  But for now, Denver sports two of the youngest and best OTs in the game of football (Ryan Clady and Ryan Harris), and a solid interior to match.  Our QB should be safe, and our RBs should do some damage.

I like the idea of Andrew Pinnock at FB (FB Hillis can keep playing RB, and FB Spencer Larsen can play at LB).  And we still have Daniel Graham at TE; one of the best blocking-TEs in football (and a better than average receiving-TE).  The only question is whether Scheffler returns.  If he does (and his foot stays healthy), we have two terrific TEs.  If not, we play as a one TE team.  No big deal.  (Or we go after another TE).

 

Denver has draft picks to play with

 

Not just several draft picks, but first day draft picks.  This means the potential to score immediate impact players, and long-term solutions.  Reading over the previous two sections (offense and defense), you can use five picks on the first day this year to patch up an area of need.  Then there remain several later picks to pin some hopes onto.  Next year, Denver will likely have at least four first-day picks.

I'm just using some old coaching intuition here (and as a HS level coordinator I obviously never drafted players), but I think it's reasonable to assume that out of five first-day picks, we won't bomb on all of them.  Surely at least one or two will pan out.  And we should still have a later pick that surprises us too.  I'm guessing that we have a minimum of four players that come out of this draft that turn into fan favorites during this season.  That would be a terrific draft (in my opinion).

 

The new HC and coordinators are a wild card (but a good one)

 

Nobody knows how Coach McDaniels and his crew will work out.  He may shock the football world and take Denver deep into the playoffs, or bomb worse than our darkest fears.  But I will say this.  The defensive play-calling was abysmal last year, and I detected no hint of any formal system on that side of the ball.  I remember a player being quoted as saying that the guys on the defense didn't know their roles, the expectations, or the defense in general.  That affirmed my suspicion.

The offense wasn't much better.  Chuck the ball deep and often, and don't establish any kind of run.  This led to untimely turnovers and fresh defenses every time we took the field, and defenses could predict a deep spread almost every play.

So in my mind, it comes down to the idea that we may have a bad coaching crew, but they won't be any worse than last year.  And it isn't likely that they are that bad.  In fact, our coordinators and HC have already made moves towards establishing systems.  We know that the defense will be in a 3-4, and we've heard "Ameboa" thrown around for the offense (which is more of a personnel philosophy than a system).  At least these guys have a plan, and that makes them better than what we had last year.

 

The Schedule

 

Brutal.  There's no lipstick to put on this pig.  It's a rough schedule.

My take:

Dont take 'em for granted, but -

Bengals (4-11) - likely win

Browns (4-11) - likely win

Raiders (5-11) - a bad team, but also a division rival.  On the other hand, they don't know what to prepare for this year

Chiefs (2-14) - see the note on the Raiders

Toss up -

Cowboys (9-7) - not a great team, but a group of very, very talented individuals

Chargers (8-8) - I believe they are in decline, but still dangerous

Redskins - (8-8) not a strong team in the NFC East, but not a bad team by any stretch

Eagles - (9-7) Will have to adjust to life without Dawkins.  But often a contender in the NFC.

Tough.  Very Tough -

Patriots (11-5) - and they get Brady back

Ravens (11-5) - I don't think this team was a fluke

Champion Steelers (12-4) - A solid organization from top to bottom

Giants (12-4) - as tough as they come in the NFC

Colts (12-4) - I think this team is about to start trending downwards, but they still have incredible talent

 

Here is how I view the schedule:

  • Four teams are on my "should win list".  Two are division rivals, so that's 6 games altogether.  Rivalry games are often split, but we have the advantage this year of new coaching and systems to confuse the bad guys.  Instead of a split, I think we win 3/4 of the KC and Oak games.  We are "supposed" to beat teams like CLE and CIN, so let's say we do.  Chalk us at 5 wins so far.
  • There are four "toss-up" teams.  Note that none of them were below .500 last year.  I think we split SD.  I'll be conservative and say that we can beat the Skins, even if we lose to DAL and PHI.  Two more wins, and we get to 7 wins so far.
  • Five teams remain, and to be honest I just don't think we should be beating any of them.  But "any given Sunday..."  So I'm going to say we pull out an upset in one or two games.  This gives us about 8.5 for the season.

Sounds depressing doesn't it?  I don't think so, and here's why...

 

The Mission

 

Denver needs to do two things this year. 

First, they need to prove (to some fans at least) that the loss of Shanahan and Cutler isn't the end of the Broncos franchise.  And they have to do it with a very daunting schedule.  Football-savvy fans (like the ones to be found at MHR) will look at on-field performance, not just the record.  If the Broncos play solid football, even in losing efforts against strong teams, the core group of intelligent fans will give the team a pass for '09.  They will do this because they see progress, even if the record isn't fantastic.

Second, despite the reasoning of the above paragraph, everyone is still going to want something solid to hold onto, either a good record or a playoff chance.  That's just the nature of the beast.  Can Denver manage a good record, or a close shot at the playoffs?

I think they can at least come close.  Remember this above all else:  We are not competing with the rest of the NFL.  We are only competing with the AFC West during the regular season.

In my mind, Oakland has been run into the ground by Al Davis for several years.  Oakland fans (like our good friends over at SABP) have even started to notice this, and Al seems to be losing the support of fans that were once solidly in his corner.

Kansas City is a good organization, and they are in a long-term building mode.  Where Oakland has been impatient and gambled on instant gratification, KC has been slowly trying to rebuild with a patient but wise approach.  They are moving up the talent ladder.  And while the climb is slow, they are taking an approach that will pay off for a long time.  I think they mirror Denver in this respect, but Denver starts out ahead.

SD is a team that has been ahead of Denver, but declining.  I predicted they would worsen last year, and they did.  Still, in the recently bad AFC West, 8-8 deserved a playoff spot.  The key is, "Have SD and DEN switched places yet".  In other words, is Denver now able to be the top team in a poor division?

If so, Denver has a shot at the playoffs.  The flip side is that, despite the higher ranking SD had last year, the two "similar ranking" games SD and DEN got this year would seem to help SD a little more than DEN this year.  It is just an unfortunate quirk.

But have no doubt.  Denver controls its own destiny.  The key games are the games against SD.  That, and the hope that one places in a team moving up with youth over a decent team that's getting a little older.

(And who knows.  Without the Rivers-Cutler rivalry, perhaps Denver fans can go back to hating the team they really want to hate more.)

For me, I'll be looking for on-field performance above all else.  Winning may be "everything", but I'll be looking for indications that we will be passing SD, while keeping KC at bay.

All the best,

HT

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Awesome Job HT!

Way to put things into perspective. I don’t know if you previously stated your expectations for our special teams. IMO, I think we will have some solid players on ST this coming season. Again, thanks for the read! Def. Rec’d!

"I can do all things through HIM who gives me strength"

by BroncoCountryHawaii on Apr 17, 2009 12:43 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Special teams are important.

To me, they’re also very mysterious. I had next to nothing to do with special teams coaching, and I try to stay away from writing what I really don’t know about.

My guess is that the more quality starters a team has, the more qualty players are pushed back to special teams. If we have good depth, the STs will do well. But that’s not an educated guess either.

Thanks for the kind words!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like your analysis but I think this coaching staff will be on an extremely short leash

regardless of the effort. I think if we win anything less than 8 games then the calls for McDaniels head will be huge, regardless of the schedule. I agree the schedule is tough, but it’s the NFL, there are no gimme games, regardless of oppenents. McDaniels has been preaching to FA that he has no intention of rebuilding and wants to win now, if he doesn’t, he is going to have a long road to hoe for blowing up an offense that had been very succesful in the NFL and dumping a very good young QB for some journeyman backups.

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by Broncoman on Apr 17, 2009 12:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

So we lose Cutler (by his own doing, not McDaneils) and he is "blowing up the offense". How so?

Get real man, our offense was all smoke and mirrors man. We averaged 17 points a game from week 4 onwards. 16th overall in scoring and not good in the red zone.
If this is your definition of a very successful offense, than you are really easy to please.
This was a TOTALLY underperforming offense which ever way you slice it. The vertical game worked for 3 games and then was game planned against, and Bates had as much in his bag as a Eunuch….nothing.
We have brought in some GOOD, SOLID players on the offensive side of the ball, so I am trying to see how it has been blown up or is any worse.
Anyway, juts my take mate, but I dont agree with you.
This coaching staff has been brought in to change the culture in a club that had become a home for underperforming veterans and me first players. They are here to bring attitude and team work back to a team that desperately needs it.
I will take a couple of 6-10 seasons and see improvement in attitude, and consistent effort than any of the last 3 frustrating years of mediocrity with no end sight we saw with the past regime.
Peace.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on Apr 17, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree with you on the offense. Our offense was mainly bad because the play-calling SUCKED!

With a new OC and the Jedi coming into town, I can see our offense improving an appreciable amount, especially in the red-zone. Josh McD help put together one of the best offenses in the league the last two seasons…I think he’s going to follow that up with a new high powered offense in Denver. And yes, we may not be a 16-0 team, but we are definitely getting better.

"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".

"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.

by broncoholic on Apr 17, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree broncoholic

I think we had sufficient talent on the offensive side of the ball. I think the red zone impotence and lack of committment to the running game and TOP were disappointing at best.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Apr 17, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that disagreeing with me Holic?

Beacuse I am with you. We are super talented, but Bates SUCKED. My point is we were NOT one of the best offenses in NFL last year except with yardage….apart from that we were avaerage to below average.
I think our O is going to be WAY improved this year.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on Apr 17, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

if i see another "Bates WR bubble screen"...

I will explode

fader nation is a conquered nation

Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!

by mdierk on Apr 17, 2009 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tell me about it

Will Explode? I haven’t recovered from my explosion last year.

by diviesti on Apr 17, 2009 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

More points for the Broncos...I'll take points over yards any day.

"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".

"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.

by broncoholic on Apr 17, 2009 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

IF that happens

Bowlen has always provided one of the most stable organizations in the NFL. I think initially the coach would easily get 4 years at least and at worst I figure he gets 3 now.

by Kfustud on Apr 17, 2009 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed.

I don’t think an 0-16 season could get HCMcD fired. He’s got 2-3 at least.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 17, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. We aren't the Raiders

We aren’t about to see a coaching carousel in Denver. Pat is too smart for that.

"I'm not looking for the best players; I'm looking for the right ones." ~Coach Herb Brooks in "Miracle"

by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 17, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 Head Coach Salaries

The main reason we won’t see a change in the head coaching position for at least 2 years is that Bowlen will not want to pay 3 head coaching salaries at the same time. I think the new coach could be a disaster and he would have at least 2-3 years and with moderate success, 4-5 years.

by Baltimore Bronco on Apr 17, 2009 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wins or Seasons?

fader nation is a conquered nation

Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!

by mdierk on Apr 17, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya Broncoman.

But I think the leash is shorter for the fans than Bowlen. He wants improvement, not instant success. He realizes that schemes and players are changing, and a major change was at QB (Bowlen pulled the trigger). I know records are important, but steady improvement in performance in a coach’s first year under these circumstances are hard to come by.

If the team doesn’t entirely bomb, I think he gets at least two years to prove something.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post Coach!

I have said it before…..a spread of 20-30 points total will be the difference between a winning and losing record for our team.
Wew could be 5-11/6-10 or 11-5/10-6.
All I want is a team with some nastiness, some character and who keeps it close.
If this new regime, with new players and a renewed TEAM first attitude, can stay in games till the end then we have a chance.
The schedule looks brutal, but thats now…..before the draft. I will reserve judgment until after our first pre season game.
As normal, I love your points and I am genuinely excited by the look of our team, players and coaches,
GO BRONCOS!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on Apr 17, 2009 12:45 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks mate!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent thoughts, HT

Always appreciate your viewpoint – I learn something every time I read your work. Personally, I will consider the ‘09 season a success if most of our losses are reasonably close (not blowouts). To me, that would be a major sign of progress over a team which allowed almost 450 points last year and got blowed out and debacled (Emmitt’s words, not mine) on too many occasions.

I look at the 2008 Packers as a perfect example of your points – they went 6-10, which reads as a terrible season (and worse than Denver’s). However, they lost 7 games by 4 points or less – that is a competitive team which just needs to learn how to win. Also, their point differential was +39, which is the mark of a team on the rise. A season like that for the Broncos would make me happy.

by Douglas A. Lee on Apr 17, 2009 1:00 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Blowouts. We actually got used to blowouts.

I was OK with the Shanny firing once I realized I had become almost completely inured to getting blown out. By the end of the year, I didn’t bat an eye at the poundings administered by the Panthers and Chargers. On the morning of December 29, I actually thought: Of course they dropped 50 on us! They’re the Chargers! The mighty, 8-8 Chargers.

I had even started to conceive of miserable drubbings, like the one the Raiders uncorked in Denver, as close games that just happened to get out of hand. These are the kinds of rationalizations that fans of terrible teams learn to live with long-term.

As far as formal expectations, all I know is that I expect that defense to give up fewer points and the offense to score more. I expect to see a defense with a plan and an offense that makes adjustment. The schedule could more than overwhelm the impact of those changes in terms of final records, but I expect the improvement to be easy to see.

by Chibronx on Apr 17, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1 re: Green Bay

Perfect example.

"I'm not looking for the best players; I'm looking for the right ones." ~Coach Herb Brooks in "Miracle"

by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 17, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great points.

I didn’t mention the differential angle, but I should have. That’s a great standard to look at.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still disagree with the logic that we traded a 5th for Orton

Orton is apparently the reason that we made the trade with Chicago. They offered a Orton, two firsts and a 4th; we countered with Orton, two firsts and a third. The 3rd minus a 5th was a compromise to get the deal done.

Time to galvanize

by jack_ on Apr 17, 2009 1:03 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think that McD really wanted Orton, and that’s the main reason we dealt with Chicago instead of another team. We’ll know by November or so If McD correctly evaluated Orton. My money is on McD and Orton.

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by bradley on Apr 17, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed Bradley. Great to see you back.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on Apr 17, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree too

but I have to say, I really like how Simms is handling himself and answering questions. He seems to be a smart, considered player. We may not have a gun on our team, but we definitely seem to have a couple of fine young men who genuinely want to step up their game for us. I like that.

"I never understood that word, overachiever. That means you're doing something you're not supposed to be able to do. Because obviously we were able to do it." -- Rod Smith

"I really don’t want to talk about me. I didn’t want to talk about me last week, and I don’t this week. I want to talk about our team." -- Rod Smith, on setting the franchise record for touchdowns

"This was pretty big talk from a guy that once quit the team 12 hours before kickoff 8 weeks into the season. He quit the night before a game. We were 4-4 and we needed him. I had to go out there and I had two rookies and a third-year guy playing receiver and I'd rather go out there with some guys who wanted to play with their hearts." Smith held up his two huge Super Bowl rings. "Before you start popping off at the mouth you ought to get yourself some of these." -- Rod Smith on Eddie Kennison

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by broncosmontana on Apr 17, 2009 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

They may have got Orton cheaper than that. If you consider they had options of which teams to trade with and chose Orton over other QB options. If you take that into account he may have really only been valued at partial of a 5th or part of another pick.

In any event you definitely got value in this trade.

by Kfustud on Apr 17, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jack,

Your point is well taken, and correct. However, (like the half full / half empty analogy) I’m just trying to make the point that if one breaks down the trade by saying Cutler = 1,1,3 and Orton for a seperate 5th rounder, the trade looks very good. As you correctly point out, the trade is all inclusive. But breaking it into parts is how I try to shed a different context versus those who see the trade as primarily Cutler / Orton and hate it.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is the mission in '09?

I think it’s the same as every year…to win the SB.

What would be a successful season?

I would consider the ‘09 season a success if the Broncos can make the playoffs (hmmm…same as last year). Honestly, I don’t think there is any excuse for being worse than last year. I do agree that the games against IND and NE are unfortunate but we’ll just have to overcome them.

I think the defense should be considerably improved by a good scheme and playcalling and a DC that has shown that he knows how to spot NFL caliber defensive talent. The offense will be just fine.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 17, 2009 1:17 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

In combat, the mission may be to “take that hill”. As soldiers, we may know that we have very little chance of taking the hill, and may be a diversion for the “real” attack somewhere else (see the end of the movie “Glory” for my point). The mission may be to take the hill, but the “real” mission is to do our best, and perhaps die trying.

In the Broncos case, our mission is always to win a Super Bowl. However, realisticly, our job is to play as hard as we can and fight for as long as we can. I think that “improvement” is a realistic goal, but I respect and appreciate other views of what a realistic goal is also.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great read HT, love your stuff!

One thing about the wins over Raiders and Chiefs.

You were pretty bold in your prediction that we beat the Chiefs in Kansas City in December consider the Denver Broncos are 1-16 ALL TIME in Kansas City during the month of December. Our lone win game in a 20-17 OT victory in 1994.

I’m just saying…

1-16 man….ONE AND SIXTEEN. Kyle Orton is no John Elway…that’s all. 1-16! Are you freakin’ kidding me?!?

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 17, 2009 1:18 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

btw,

that ONE WIN came on December 4th…close enough to November. This year is December 6th, so maybe we’ll get lucky and the Chiefs will forget what month it is and we’ll win for just the second time in FIFTY YEARS.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 17, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You misread me my good friend.
Instead of a split, I think we win 3/4 of the KC and Oak games.

I wrote that as winning 3/4s, ala 2 wins over Oakland and a split with KC. We don’t disagree on the win / loss projection at all.

But I will say this. The 1-16 stat is an anomoly. It means nothing to me, unless there is a corresponding reasoning behind the stat.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is it meaningless? lol

1-16 in Arrowhead Stadium in the month of December. That isn’t an anomaly, that is domination. I did misread your post though. lol Damn KC!

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 17, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's meaningless because....

…there is no reason to justify it. What happens every December in KC to cause us to lose? If there was a variable that could be isolated (such as "In Dec a virus that is present in KC’s water supply that only affects high altitude people), I would buy it.

It’s a statistical anomoly unless a reasonable theory is behind it. Just my thinking. The stat doesn’t scare me. KC should have a better record because they are at home (granted). By why 16-1 over Denver?

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...it is scary because it exists.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 17, 2009 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok.

I buy that.

Still, if I was a coach and a player brought up that stat I’d put a boot up his rear. Just go and play and knock someone’s block off! Who cares about freakin’ December?

: )

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am a fear mongerer.

I worked on Dick Cheney’s campaign in 2000. :) lol

Now I work for Timothy Geitner.

FEAR! FEAR!!! BOOOOO.

Also, the DOW is about to embark on another long fall starting Monday. Just warning you guys out there who rushed to dump money into the market when Goldman Sachs posted a book cooking profit back in January.

I’m only trying to protect Bronco fans…whom I care for greatly! :)

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 17, 2009 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lmao

"I want to talk about our team." -- Rod Smith, on setting the franchise record for touchdowns

by broncosmontana on Apr 18, 2009 6:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can throw all those old stats out the window.

They’re part of the old regime.

The new regime is 0-0 at Arrowhead. That’s right…UNDEFEATED BABY!!!! ;-)

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 17, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

old regimeS..you mean?

1960-2008 covered many coaches and owners. Last I checked, Pat Bowlen still owns the team…maybe he was the reason we won that ONE game in 1994……

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 17, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either way...

The new regime is still undefeated at Arrowhead.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 17, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

i guess you are right PosterNutbag....

We are 0-0 in 2009 baby! We were 13-3 in 2005…one of those three losses? In Arrowhead stadium in the month of December. lol We were 11-5 in 2000, one of those losses in Arrowhead in December. 11-5 in 1986, one of those losses in Arrowhead in December. We were 13-3 in 1984…one of those three losses? Yep, you guessed it…in Arrowhead stadium in the month of December.

But not in 2009! We are 0-0 in Arrowhead in December….ZERO AND ZERO BABY! I feel better already. :P

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 17, 2009 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

i am just goofing around.

I expected something like 3-10 in december or something like that…but no, 1-16. lol My God man!

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 17, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I am calmed down a little.

I had to go check KC’s record in Denver in the month of December. They are just 4-11, with half of those wins coming in the 60’s. I feel better now. :)

I will be happy this year if we go 1-15 and beat KC in Arrowhead Stadium. lol

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 17, 2009 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

you'd be okay losing to the faders twice?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 17, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I wouldn't be okay with 1-15...period.

I was lamenting. I demand victories at home and competitiveness on the road.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 17, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want victories everywhere!

fader nation is a conquered nation

Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!

by mdierk on Apr 17, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

losing to the conquered fader nation is uancceptable in ALL instances!

fader nation is a conquered nation

Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!

by mdierk on Apr 17, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Zappa

I was too lazy to look that up. I knew it wasn’t good though.

Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup. They slither wildly as they slip away across the universe. Pools of sorrow, waves of joy are drifting through my opened mind. Possessing me and caressing me. - The Beatles

It's amazing how much The Beatles knew about MHR before MHR existed.

by orangeblood on Apr 17, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

"3/4 Against Raiders & Chiefs"

I’m assuming he meant we’d lose that one in KC. Anyway, I think we win the division and get to the playoffs. (I’m going to look at that schedule with a GHF point of view!) Who knew Brady would go down in the first game last year? Everyone said they’d be cooked without him, that he was the “ONE” player the Patriots could least afford to lose, and they still went 11-5.
I’m a big Shanahan fan, but the last few years, the defense was getting nauseating to watch. It seemed like they were in the prevent the whole game! I think the change in coaching is exactly what this team needed. Just my two cents!

by bronco-Maine-iac on Apr 17, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats a clever NAIME man....

and I completely and 100% agree with you!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on Apr 17, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget also that we have split the season series with Oakland two years in a row..

and we were one lucky ass timeout in overtime from it being three years in a row.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 17, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Splits are always unacceptable with the conquered fader nation

fader nation is a conquered nation

Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!

by mdierk on Apr 17, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

especially

when we lose at HOME! This must STOP.

"I want to talk about our team." -- Rod Smith, on setting the franchise record for touchdowns

by broncosmontana on Apr 18, 2009 6:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maine-iac

You read my comment correctly. Thanks!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really Great Stuff as always HT...

You probably know where I stand!
.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Little, Wright, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Apr 17, 2009 1:25 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't live in La La Land....

…but she’s an ally I would give my life for. 13-3 or solid improvement; I’ll take either!

All the best my friend!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

GReat article. recommended

hey,dont we have only 3 first day picks this year? b/c the first day is only the through the 2nd round.

by Calibroncoboy on Apr 17, 2009 1:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Correct CBB.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on Apr 17, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry.

My age is showing. Heck, I didn’t see what the big deal was when Sen. Bob Dole thought the Dodgers were still in Brooklyn! : )

They’ll always be first day picks in my heart, but I didn’t write that part of the article with my head. I apologize for the oversight.

HT

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

well make sure it doesnt happen again

jk, lol. yah 3rd round picks don’t really come to mind when u say day 2

by Calibroncoboy on Apr 18, 2009 1:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 18, 2009 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another great post HT! Thanks

You make many excellent points and one in particular stands out to me.

If the Broncos play solid football, even in losing efforts against strong teams, the core group of intelligent fans will give the team a pass for ‘09.

I, for one, am willing to give them that pass if:
1) Every player gives 100% on every play. I am sick of guys taking a play “off” every once in a while. I want players who act like they want to be on the field.
2) We play hard-nosed football. We are clean, but hard-hitters and good blockers. I hate some of the wimpy arm tackles we were used to making
3) I want men of character. I am sick of the wife-beaters and sociopaths. They don’t have to be choir boys, but need to learn from mistakes.
4) We have team-first players who put W’s over individual statistics.

Great job coach. I love your stuff. For the record, I see 8-8 which is good enough to go to the playoffs.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Apr 17, 2009 2:01 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Excellent points First!

Your four points should be nailed on the entrance to our locker room. If we have those four qualities, everything else will fall into line. It sounds cliche, but it is true: A lot of coaches prefer a good player with great character over a great player with only good character. Great character people are more coachable, are team players, and have their priorities straight on game day. It’s a big part of why I have the sig I do (about the lions and the sheep).

Here’s another of my favorites:

Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn’t work hard.

Blessings

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You HT!!!!

I’ve been trying to come up with an appropriate “visionary” name for this years campaign, ie; “The Quest”, for awhile now. I like “the Mission” as it fits well with what (IMHO) our mission should be about this year!! I agree that our character, attitude & overall coaching ability has grown alot, not to mention the increased talent level! I am excited about having “real coaching” again. It was embarassing to lose in BLOWOUT fasion so often the last couple years!!!!!!!!!! At times it didn’t look like we even knew what the word “adjustments” meant? IMHO this is changing, (adjusting to another teams offensive/defensive strategies, What a concept!), After reading the “bios” for the new DC/HCs I’m thinking that we should improve considerably on D, (Nolans teams zoomed to respectability against the run the first years he went to Baltimore, & then SF, where they avg 4th the last 4 years), not to mention other things like finding & coaching up 4 DROYs etc., including Mike Croel many years ago. While it may not translate to lots of Ws this season, we probably won’t get blown out often either!!! Which IMHO will be a tremondously positive step in the right direction! If McD can turn Cassel (WHO?), into a competitive QB, I’m looking forward to what he can do with PROVEN winners KO & Simms! Thanks again HT for a GREAT article as usual!! GO BRONCS!!!!!!

by Pmac54 on Apr 17, 2009 2:06 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the kind words Pmac!

I’m excited too. I would like to see a lot of wins, but I’ll be very content if we just look better.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Insight Coach

I totally agree. I was Jazzed up because of all the new FA’s that we signed. The way they were brought in so quickly makes me think that there was a method to the madness(so to speak). Like good, character Team players and role players, and even stand out special teamers. That alone convinced me that I will give McD an automatic passing grade for this season. This is also assuming our QB position works out (and IMO, it will) I like the way our team is shaping up and can’t wait for the draft. I’m too anxious to see who we ACTUALLY get with our 2 first picks. I am optimistic for a 10-6 record + playoffs.

My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season

by KaptainKirk on Apr 17, 2009 2:34 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Kaptain

And I like your dad’s take on the four seasons! You got a great education!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

8-8 would be an improvement over last year.

Huh? Here is the rationale. In the early 80s Bill James came up with a way to predict a baseball team’s W/L record based on runs scored and run allowed. It turns out that when teams won or lost more than they predicted wins they tended to move toward the direction of the prediction the following year.

The same principle can be applied to football with the same results. The Football Outsiders among others have done that and showed this works. So, the Broncos scored 370 points and allowed 448. Applying the basic formula (PS^2/(PS^2+PA^2) yields a .410 winning pct. That is 6.5 wins. So, the Broncos overperformed by 1.5 wins last year. They should have won 6 or 7 instead of 8.

Stat geek stuff aside. Do any of us really think they were as good as their 8-8 record last year? So, the way I see it 8 to 9 wins is definitely a step in the right direction in my opinion.

Keep Moving Forward.

by ColoradoOwl on Apr 17, 2009 3:18 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

When you consider the first SD game

where we were saved by Hoch’s blown whistle, we absolutely were a 7-9 team last year.

"I'm not looking for the best players; I'm looking for the right ones." ~Coach Herb Brooks in "Miracle"

by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 17, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But then you have to consider the Jags game

The refs got even with us on 2 horrible calls on Bly that allowed them to continue drives & pull off the win. You could argue, refs aside, we still would’ve been 8-8.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 17, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

the refs are human, too -and no game is called perfectly. I suppose I bring up the infamous Hochuli game because I was there and, as exciting as it was to have just beaten the Chargers, you couldn’t help feel like we had just stolen something. Walking out of the stadium there were some Bronco fans who were being real jackasses toward some SD fans. My stomach just churned and all I could think was “This game was a gift -we have no right to brag about this one.”

"I'm not looking for the best players; I'm looking for the right ones." ~Coach Herb Brooks in "Miracle"

by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 17, 2009 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think we saved ourselves.

SD still had multiple chances to stop us, and blew it. Not only that, but Cutler’s fumble wasn’t anything due to SD’s effort. I’m not defending a bad call, but I don’t blame Denver for the win, nor do credit SD for doing anything to stop us.

Hoch blew a call (as all officials will do), and was man enough to admit it. For that, he caught a lot of grief. I’ve never credited a ref for a win, or blamed one for a loss. I know that’s not what you’re saying here, but I always feel for refs who get pointed out for a bad call. I know that “no ref” can do my job as well as me (and I’ve made my share of coaching errors), and I certainly know that I could never do a ref’s job as well as he.

Sorry for the rant. I always feel compelled to stand up for refs when I hear Hoch’s name. I have a lot of respect for someone willing to put himself in such a thankless position.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably the best analysis I've ever seen on a blog - ever

However, as clean as your execution was, I have to take exception with your concept. As a football savvy fan, I understand that, after last season, improved performance on the field would be encouraging. I wouldn’t ordinarily expect a coach coming in to win right away or fault him if he failed to do so.

 However, McD has put the pressure on himself and you can’t blame fans for putting him on the hot-seat if he doesn’t win this season. He said it himself – this is a production business. If you don’t produce, you’re gone. This fact is only exacerbated by the fact that McD came in, traded our beloved QB of the future, forced the firing of our successful personnel dept. (at least I think that’s why Goodmans are gone), and made-over the entire roster. This is his team. This team is the sum of his decisions.

While I don’t blame others for calling for his head if we go 7-9 this year, I will give him a couple of years as long as we show marked improvement each year and as long as we are back in contention soon. Even with a measured approach, however, one can’t blame us being short on patience with Josh McDaniels.

by GJcontingent-rAd on Apr 17, 2009 3:25 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed, my friend...

…I don’t think we disagree at all. He will be hard on himself, and he knows it is a production business. Bowlen is also wise enough to give him time (I think). I’m only calling for fans to share my view (and yours) that improvement should be the mission to focus on for fans.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely agree with this excellent article

Great job & rec’d!

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 17, 2009 3:36 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks C!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great read as always HT, Rec'd ofcourse. My favorite comment, that sums up 2008 season:

Most importantly, the OL coach (Rick Dennison) and RB coach (Bobby Turner) are still around after the “night of the long knives”, so the running game is likely to be something to behold (having been shelved by last year’s “pass happy” coordinator).

     Poetic Justice my Friend. My take is we will be better, maybe its the koolaid, maybe the Fan Base that circles
the wagons on the msm. Logically I agree with you, emotionaly I’m in Mike Clarks Camp; and sense this is an
Emotional Game……

GO BRONCOS

13-3 BABY

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Apr 17, 2009 4:05 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks UB3

If you think with the mind of any of the MHR crew and have the heart of Mike Clark, you’re going to go far.

: )

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd and Buzzed, Professor

Another great read

Hillis in '09

by Emmett Smith on Apr 17, 2009 4:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It's nice to write a "great read"....

…it’s nicer to hear about it from a “great writer”.

I’ll leave the trash dumpster and the picnic basket unguarded tonight Bear!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 17, 2009 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great article HT, rec'd

always appreciate your on-target analysis.

by CoastalBronco on Apr 17, 2009 7:29 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

I always enjoy your avatar!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 18, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

strongly agree

with your take on the schedule. I would have rate the teams the same way.

"according to the map, we've only gone 4 inches"

by MikeD55 on Apr 18, 2009 12:02 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

Where does the sig come from? I’ve heard it before….

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 18, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

love the article and also strongly agree

I’m afraid we’ll lose 1 or 2 to mediocre teams, probably within the division, but am blithely (giddily?) optimistic that we’ll be a good enough team to knock off one or two unsuspecting big guys.

Here’s to flying under the radar and the element of surprise in 09!

"I want to talk about our team." -- Rod Smith, on setting the franchise record for touchdowns

by broncosmontana on Apr 18, 2009 6:56 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

“The Mission,” or…

“The Ninja Mission!”

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 18, 2009 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it:

2009=The Season of the Ninja!

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 18, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think upset wins are likely balanced by upset loses.

But that’s my “human” guess. My coaching guess is to bank on wins we “should” get, because we sure as heck have no business losing “gimee” games. If we play hard all of the time, we won’t get upset, and we should steal a game or two from a “superior” team.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 18, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very solid assessment!

As noted by a previous poster, I would really consider regaining the dreaded “Mile High” home field advantage as a success in itself. I was staggered last year by the way we played at home.

And a thought from left field…….I love how they built the new Mile High (we all know it’s not really Invesco) to shake just like the Original!

by Broncotodd on Apr 18, 2009 7:47 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

And you’re right about needing homefield. Folks need to be concerned when they hit the road to play us. We haven’t had that for awhile.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 18, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for a geat read this morning...MHR rocks!

I have much of the same mixture of enthusiam and fear for the new season. If the D improves, which it should, that will go a long ways toward restoring that ol’ Mile High Magic. The last two years at home have been painful. No lead was safe, and with that horrendous D we were never more than a 5 minutes of poor defensive play from blowing a home game. I always felt that when we lost Al in the middle we lost the soul of that D that won so many games for Jake.

I think the new regime gets it, and McD is no dummy even if he has made some mistakes. Our staff is going to be better, our players are going to be better, we will win more home games, and we will be in the hunt.

by anotherNYCbroncofan on Apr 18, 2009 11:14 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone misses the Elway offense years.

But I miss the Orange Crush. I want to see offenses that sputter because we are smart, but also because we are kicking in some teeth.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 18, 2009 2:40 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Meant as a reply to "anotherNYCbroncofan"

Sorry, wrong reply button!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 18, 2009 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats, HT - superb essay, as usual . . .

Just two items:

1. If only one or two of the first day picks “pan out,” it will be a disastrous draft. They really need, rather, no more than one or two to bust.

2. I honestly believe Orton to be better than advertised. I watched him carry his team to a couple wins or near-wins last year. And he was in only his second year as a starter. Watch him excel with the line, weapons, and coaching he has this year. (Yes, I think he’ll be the starter.)

I still agree to a probable 8-8, not better than 9-7, record this year. The Broncos will have upgraded in talent, but the schedule is tougher, and with the upheaval in personnel they will need a year to gel.

Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy

by AZDynamics on Apr 19, 2009 8:11 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I buy all of that.

When I say pan out, I’m meaning that those two picks hit. Two solid starters from the first day (plus a couple of surprises from deeper in the draft) would be good (in my opinion), and added into the FA pick-ups (some of whom will work, and some who won’t). Just my opinion. We might be talking past each other on how “pan out” is meant, and I should have perhaps used stronger language (like “stikes gold”).

I agree that Orton looks very good, and has much better chances in Denver. Yet, I still want to reserve judgement until we see him in orange. I’m certainly pulling for him. I’m confident enough in Orton that I’m not wanting a QB this year.

Great stuff AZ!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

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