Tales: Who is Kyle Orton?
Introduction
Things change. In the case of the Broncos, the changes have come fast and have shaken people up. From the moment that Pat Bowlen announced that he'd fired Mike Shanahan, most of our preconceptions about this team have been thrown into the fire. What remains is different from anything we expected about this offseason.

In the wake of The Trade, Jay Cutler is going to a very different offensive system. Rationally, we can expect Lovie Smith to try changing the system to take advantage of Jay's admittedly stellar talents, as well as continuing to attempt to polish the rough edges of their new acquisition. Lovie is probably going to establish a vertical passing game of some degree. Jay has shown an unusual ability to throw in inclement weather - since he'll be playing in Soldier Field he's going to need it. While Matt Forte was the primary and capable receiver his rookie year, Cutler doesn't like checkdowns and will probably ask for more of a vertical game. His line will be very different, as will his receivers. For the Broncos, though, last year's offense is what they will be looking to upgrade. Upgrade, without Cutler? Absolutely!
Broncos fans on the Mile High Report have talked extensively and cited many stats that prove, without real question, that the Denver Broncos offense was a paper tiger after week 3 of the 2008 season. Rather than recite the litany, I'm going to accept the conclusions and try to find out where we could go from here.
On the Broncos' side of the equation, we can expect Josh McDaniels to continue doing the same thing for Kyle Orton and Chris Simms that Smith will do for Cutler: polishing them. McDaniels is going to match his quarterback to his offense whichever one it is and he will train his QBs to take advantage of his offense. Until now, Josh has taken advantage of a passing scheme that stretches the field vertically and horizontally and which uses running attacks heavily aimed at the middle of the line as well as a scheme that employs substantial RB pass-catching. Those things are unlikely to change.
Josh McDaniels was responsible for grooming and developing Matt Cassel from a perennial backup to a player that both McDaniels and GM wunderkind Scott Pioli believe to be a franchise QB. It's a good notch on the resume for Josh and it speaks well of how he'll do with Orton and/or Simms )(as well as any draft choice that we might bring in).
Personal
So, who is Kyle Orton? Kyle Raymond Orton was born on November 14, 1982. His father, Byron, played football at South Dakota, so Kyle came by his skills naturally. As a Denver Bronco he has a dirty secret - he was always a Nebraska fan, growing up. As a star senior prep student, in Altoona ,Iowa Orton nearly became a Colorado resident. he even committed to the University of Colorado before a camp for young quarterbacks change his mind.
Coming out of high school, Orton could already throw a football over 72 yards - you could say that at times, his arm strength is underestimated. In fact, Orton out-threw NFL QB Jon Kitna at Purdue's Elite Quarterback Camp in the summer of 2000. Purdue promptly offered Kyle Orton a scholarship to a program that had already produced two NFL quarterbacks. He took them up on it, majoring in history and studying football.
College Years
His studies of history were ironic - the history was that Orton was fated to follow the career of the great Drew Brees at Purdue, and his accomplishments there were sometimes overshadowed by that fact. Even so, in gross numbers, he had 947 attempts for 550 completions and 6,247 passing yards, each good for 5th in the school's history. He passed for 32 touchdowns with only 23 interceptions, at 2.43 interception percentage that left him the Purdue career leader. That accuracy would benefit him well as a pro. He started three bowl games, as did Brees and Mark Hermann before him.
Once Orton enrolled in 2001, coaches were immediately impressed by his poise. Purdue runs a spread-type offense with multiple receivers and a heavy emphasis on the shotgun. As a freshman, Kyle appeared in 7 games with 3 starts. He started in the Sun Bowl vs. Washington State that year, setting a bowl-system record with 83 offensive plays. Orton completed 38 of 74 passing attempts for 419 yards with two touchdowns. It was the most pass attempts in NCAA bowl history.
Said Northern Colorado coach Scott Downing, who was an assistant head coach on Joe Tiller's staff at Purdue at the time, "He went in and just threw the ball over the place. Nothing could rattle him. He was big guy, a tough kid."
Former Bronco middle linebacker Niko Koutouvides was at Purdue when Orton was there. He echoed comments about Orton's attitude.
"He can really sling it," Koutouvides said. "When I was there, he was always a good teammate, always working out, throwing the 7-on-7, doing the extra stuff to make himself better. I have never heard of anyone having an issue with him as a teammate, even when he was in the NFL."
It was the 2003 Capital One Bowl that would leave an indelible impression on those who watched him. He suffered a dislocated thumb, a sprained toe and a cracked rib, but finished the game. His head coach, Joe Tiller, would later call it "one of the two truly courageous performances I've seen in all my years of coaching." That kind of guts has shown up throughout his career at all levels.
By 2004, Orton was garnering national attention with his arm, his intellect and his courage. I can't do better than the Purdue bio webpage:
Named 14th-best player in the nation (No. 2 in the Big Ten) by ESPN The Magazine ... preseason third team All-American and No. 3-ranked quarterback in the nation by Phil Steele's behind Matt Leinart (USC) and Jason White (Oklahoma) ... ranked No. 4 by The Sporting News and Street & Smith's ... preseason Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year by Lindy's and The Sporting News ... named Most Fearless Quarterback in Big Ten by The Sporting News ... tabbed Most Accurate Passer, Strongest Arm and Coolest in the Clutch in Big Ten by Lindy's ... selected Best Passing QB in Big Ten by Street & Smith's.
In his final regular-season college game, Orton threw for 522 yards (33-of-54 passing) and six touchdowns against Indiana (Nov. 20, 2004). He had 401 yards in the first half. The 522 yards tied a school record (held by Drew Brees). Obviously, his arm is better than some would have us believe. Small wonder that Chicago was glad to select him in the 4th round (pick 106).
Pre-draft Analysis and Scouting Reports
Since Orton was young, raw and didn't fit their system, what might have drawn Chicago to the young player? I obtained three of his pre-draft scouting reports to find out. The first is from ESPN's Draft Tracker:
Pre-draft analysis - Grade 79
Strengths: Has adequate-to-good size. Arm strength is good but not elite. Puts good zip on the deep out route, can drive the ball downfield in the vertical passing game, and can fit the ball into some tight spots in coverage. Shows excellent touch and accuracy when throwing vertically. Has impressive timing and knows how to lead his receivers in stride. He continues to improve his decision making skills. Played in a spread offense where he was forced to read the field, make progressions and check down. Knows how to read defenses and is used to having several options. Really cut down on turnovers and seems to have a much better grasp of the concept of ball control. Isn't a good athlete but pocket presence is above average. Has decent feet and will avoid the rush well from within the pocket.
Weaknesses: Has been inconsistent and streaky throughout his career. Isn't a great athlete. Can scramble from within the pocket but won't pick up many first downs with his feet. He will not be a threat to run in the NFL. He has trouble at times versus the blitz and he doesn't always make sound decisions when under pressure. Elongated delivery is a big concern. He needs to improve his mechanics by getting the ball up and quickening his delivery. He played in a shotgun-spread offense that is extremely passer friendly. How will he adjust to taking snaps under center? Will he struggle to read defenses while dropping? Is he a bit of a system quarterback?
Overall: Orton played in seven games and earned three starts as a true freshman in 2001. He split time as a sophomore in 2002 before developing into a fulltime starter as a junior in 2003, as he started all 13 games and finished with 2,885 yards, completing 60.6-percent of his attempts, with 15 TD's and seven INT's. Orton had more of a roller coaster season as a senior in 2004, as he was one of the "hottest" quarterbacks in the nation for the first half of the season but cooled off in the second half, partially due to a lingering hip injury. Orton finished the season completing 60.7-percent of his attempts for 3,090 yards with 31 TD's and five INT's.Orton spent a good majority of his time at Purdue working out of the shotgun and he struggled with the adjustment of taking snaps from under center during the Senior Bowl. As was the case with former Purdue star Drew Brees (Chargers), it may take Orton longer to make the transition to the NFL than other quarterbacks that had better experience in a more traditional offense. Orton needs to improve the quickness of his delivery and become much more consistent when put under pressure. Otherwise, Orton has the physical tools and makeup to develop into a solid starter in the NFL. He has the size, arm strength, accuracy and mind that it takes to succeed at the next level. There's no question that Orton is a risky "boom or bust" type of prospect, but he has enough physical tools and was successful enough at the highest level of college football to warrant second round consideration in the 2005 NFL draft.
Len Pasquarelli, also on ESPN, provided the second.
Kyle Orton (Purdue)
Vital statistics: 6-foot-4, 233 pounds, 5.06 in the 40.
Numbers game: Appeared in 44 games and started 35 contests. Completed 236 of 389 passes for 9,337 yards, with 63 touchdown passes and 28 interceptions. Added 271 carries for 316 yards and six touchdowns. A finalist for the Manning Award and for the Davey O'Brien Award. Twice a team captain.
Upside: As evidenced by a 6:1 touchdown pass to interception ratio in 2004, does not make many mistakes with the ball, and is accurate in most areas. Big guy who can see over the pass rush. Knowledgeable about where his receivers are and will make many of his throws to the spot, rather than to the player, with estimable timing. Knows how to take something off the ball when the situation calls for it. Good competitor.
Downside: Played in a quarterback-friendly offense, often works out from the shotgun, and lacks top-shelf arm strength. Has an elongated throwing motion, and throws sidearm way too often, so his basic mechanics will need to be restructured. Footwork is awkward and, when forced to work from under center, is clearly uncomfortable. Too impatient in the pocket and will yank the ball down, try to ad-lib, especially when his top option isn't available to him. Watch him on tape and he looks too programmed. Benched at one point in 2004, after slumping badly, following a 5-0 start. Seemed to lose confidence.
The dish: In the past month or so, has started to rehabilitate himself in the eyes of several teams, and could still be a late first-day selection.
The final report is from footballsfuture.com. Each of these had enough good info that I felt they should be included, verbatim:
Kyle Orton, QB, Purdue Sr 6-4, 233
Positives
A true safety-first QB. Will never, ever force a deep ball or anything into double coverage unless it absolutely needs it (just 5 picks in his senior year). He has the field-reading skills of a 10 year NFL vet and can diagnose a blitz instantly, and is happy to sit in against it and make his reads. Good timing is a huge part of his play, especially in the underneath and short-medium range passes. He won't even consider parting with the ball until he is certain his receiver is open, and may be on a par with plenty of NFL quarterbacks when it comes to play action - think ol' Peyton but slightly less polished.Negatives
One thing will stick out to NFL scouts - watching him throw a long ball is just plain painful. They're either off target (a long way), underthrown so the receiver has to slow down to a crawl to receive it, or he sits in the pocket so long he gets snapped in two. Another warning sign has to be his benching towards the end of his senior season when it all fell apart rather briskly. One more slight knock is that he played almost all of his college career out of the shotgun spread offense, and will take a long time to adjust to the complexities of an NFL passing scheme.Pro Potential
Best fit
Orton is one of those QBs that you just know can be successful in a particular system. In a short to intermediate passing game he could well be a comfortable NFL starter as long as he can adjust to the rigors of the big league.Somewhere in a conservative system with plenty of underneath passes (think the Patriots) where he has a couple of years to learn his trade at a higher level. He gets those two - solid NFL QB in a few years.What isn't being said here, IMHO, is that in Orton's freshman year he was calling a lot of audibles in the offense. He was encouraged to learn them early, and it's left him with a mature ability to change the play at the line when needed. He also has learned to excel in the no-huddle offense.
NFL Career
After Chicago drafted him in the 4th round with pick 104, Orton expected to have time to settle into an offense that was foreign to his training. Instead of a multiple-receiver spread, he was constantly under center in a ball-control offense that was heavy on its running game. Expecting the luxury of a pro-football education, Orton found himself thrown onto the field almost immediately. The Bears' #1 QB, Rex Grossman, went down to injury and their backup floundered. Orton found himself on the field, untrained and unready. His QB rating that year was an anemic 59.7. He completed 190 passes in 363 attempts, a mere 51.6% completion rate. He wouldn't throw a pass in 2006.

In December of 2007, he returned to the field for the Bears and presided over two thumping wins against one loss. In the first of these three games, on the road against division enemy Minnesota, The Bears lost 20-13. Orton threw 22 completions in 38 attempts for only 184 yards. Orton improved his form in the second game, however, as the Bears thrashed the rival Packers in a 35-3 blowout. But Orton himself was limited to just 9 of 15 for 104 yards: the Bears scored on FGs, special teams, one rushing TD and just 1 by Orton passing. Orton continued to throw well in limited chances the following week in a 33-25 win against the Saints, producing 2 TD against 1 INT and completing 12 of 27 for 190 yards. It was good enough to earn him a competition in 2008 training camp, from which he emerged the Bears starting QB.
2008
Consider this scouting report prior to 2008 from Scouts Inc. What it tells us is worth looking at:
Grade: 64
Alert: None
Comment: Orton is going into his fourth year and has good size and above-average athletic ability. He has a strong arm and can make all the throws. He can fit the ball into tight windows or toss it deep with accuracy. He is more of a pocket passer who has a three-quarter release and can get the ball out relatively quickly. Orton has lots of raw talent. He isn't fleet-of-foot, but has enough foot agility and quickness to move and avoid pressure to make plays downfield. He appears to have matured reading coverages better and taking what the defense gives him rather than forcing the ball when under pressure. He has the tools to be an effective signal caller in the league but isn't a player who can carry a club. He will compete for the starting position in 2008.
Orton didn't just compete for that job; he took the job and ran with it. In the firs half of 2008 Orton was a hot QB. By the end of that season his completion percentage had dropped for a high of about 61.6% to 58.6%. This told little of the story, though. By now, he'd straightened out a lot of his mechanics. His natural arm strength was tempered by an improved accuracy on many of the throws. His footwork became sound. His ability at reading coverages, which be began to learn his freshman year in college, greatly improved. And, they didn't expect him to be able to carry the club. That's good - there are very few playoff teams who are 'carried' by their QB. For the Broncos to get there, they will need to have the pieces and the schemes beyond the QB in place, but that should be a given.

He was injured midseason; suffering a high ankle sprain in the game against Detroit on November 2. He took only one game off and fought through the ankle injury despite how it interfered with his mechanics. In fact, I would suggest that 2008's numbers are meaningless unless you note that he played about half the season injured.
His pre-injury stats of 151 completions on 244 passes (61.6%) for 1,777 yards with 10 TD and 4 INT were very good. His QB rating of 90.8 for those games easily exceeds Cutler's 2008 rating of 86.9. But after the injury, the games increasingly went south and so did his numbers. He ended the season with a QB rating of 79.6, an 11.2-point drop.
Was the difference in competition between the two half seasons a factor? In part, maybe. But the Bears played against Tennessee, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Indianapolis, Carolina and Tampa Bay, as well as division rivals Minnesota and Detroit in that first span and that's not a weak sister lineup. After watching a lot of film, I have no doubt that the right ankle injury made it impossible to plant and throw off the back foot properly.
Moving Forward
From Purdue Sports.com:
When he was in college, Purdue ran its trademark one-back, multiple wide receiver offense and made defenses cover the entire field. The BoilerMakers ran the ball more than generally perceived - and so did NE. In 2003, Orton's junior year, Purdue ran the ball more than it passed and the 2004 offense was very balanced. The ball was often thrown to the tailbacks on screens and swings to the flat. What is interesting is how closely that mirrors what McDaniels has been doing in NE these past 4 years, allowing for the far greater complexity of the NFL offense, of course. Purdue believed in getting the ball short to its playmakers and allowing them to do just that - make plays. Commonly, that also worked for NE, although with Randy Moss at WR, the ability to stretch the field vertically was constantly available.
Oddly, the Chicago passing attack is nearly the polar opposite of the Purdue approach as well as opposite the approach used by McDaniels at New England. I never quite understood why Chicago was the team that picked Kyle. Chicago believes (or believed, before obtaining Cutler) in a ball-control offense that preferred using the QB under center, on a power running game (theoretically) and on a dominating defense (hopefully). Despite the questionable fit that Orton must have had there, as well as the violent weather elements swirling in off of Lake Michigan, he went on to win 21 games vs. only 12 losses in his time there. This was particularly impressive since the running game wasn't very good and the defense slipped to 21st in the league.
I like and appreciate stats, but Orton's stats are a great chance to see how easily they can lead you astray. If you take his QB rating since his first game, it really isn't all that good. That's mostly because his early stats were poor. When he was drafted, the Bears knew that he wasn't ready for the pro game. He was suddenly thrust into the game his freshman season in the NFL despite being a player whose scouting reports begged for time to season. He was tossed into the lineup without proper preparation due to the injury of one QB and the terrible play of another. He sat out his sophomore year.
Yet, each year he has played he's improved markedly. He now has good red-zone numbers, good scoring numbers and his record of wins is substantially better than Cutler or Simms. Cutler, on the other hand, has a lot of yards, lousy scoring numbers and hasn't learned the things that would/could make him one of the best in the league. But the comparison to Cutler here isn't even the point. Orton has done exactly what was predicted when he came out of college. Remember this?
As evidenced by a 6:1 touchdown pass to interception ratio in 2004, does not make many mistakes with the ball, and is accurate in most areas. Big guy who can see over the pass rush. Knowledgeable about where his receivers are and will make many of his throws to the spot, rather than to the player, with estimable timing. Knows how to take something off the ball when the situation calls for it.
This part of his pre-draft evaluation also came out dead on:
As was the case with former Purdue star Drew Brees (Chargers), it may take Orton longer to make the transition to the NFL than other quarterbacks that had better experience in a more traditional offense. Orton needs to improve the quickness of his delivery and become much more consistent when put under pressure. Otherwise, Orton has the physical tools and makeup to develop into a solid starter in the NFL. He has the size, arm strength, accuracy and mind that it takes to succeed at the next level.
All Orton has done is work hard, fix the mechanics that plagued him in college and in his early career and maximize his skill-set. That speaks to something else that's been in short supply in Denver lately - he learns, matures into the position and has continued to improve and develop. He is accurate - far more so than most of us, myself included, thought. Also, the ability to throw a touch pass has been sorely lacking in Denver, and we will welcome that change. Orton will welcome a better running game and better receivers.

Orton is especially going to welcome being on the field with Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal and Brandon Stokley - and maybe Stokley most of all., given the Bears distant acquaintance with the slot receiver functions. I rarely saw anyone go over the middle in Chicago. I even wondered unkindly if they had heard of a slot receiver at one point while breaking down film.
Josh McDaniels broke down a lot film of him from last year. I have to wonder if he may also have looked at various times in his career and seen that improvement growing. Josh has noted that much what he wants a QB to do fits with Orton's abilities. Like many others, I'm not interested in giving Kyle the job right now. I like and believe in Chris Simms and I think that he, too, can start in this offense. But Orton is a lot better than I once thought - and that is partly because he's gotten better than he once was.
Professional Growth
Consider this, too: Understanding why McDaniels is excited about Kyle's presence on the team is in part a matter of looking back to see why he struggled earlier on. His negative pre-draft analysis was pretty specific:
From ESPN:
Has been inconsistent and streaky throughout his career. Isn't a great athlete...He needs to improve his mechanics by getting the ball up and quickening his delivery.
Has an elongated throwing motion, and throws sidearm way too often, so his basic mechanics will need to be restructured. Footwork is awkward and, when forced to work from under center, is clearly uncomfortable.
But when TedBartlett905 broke down his film from last year, this is what he saw:
"I really like Orton's footwork, and I always hated Cutler's. Orton's feet are spaced very nicely, and there's bounce in his dropback. He looks really similar to Peyton Manning in the lower body. By staying on the balls of his feet, he's able to turn square to his target, and get his lower body into the throw, something which he (like Manning) obviously needs to do... Orton's overall throwing accuracy is much-improved over his rookie year. He completed 58.5% of his throws this past season, compared to 51.6% as a rookie, and 53.8% as a third year player. (He took no snaps in 2006, his second season.)"
TedB also gave us this from another of his now-legendary ST&NO:
"In this highlight package, you can see Orton hit on slants, deep outs, fades and crossing patterns, but what I was really impressed with was his touch on deep throws. This used to be his weakness, but he's vastly improved his skills in this area. He shows a lot of skill in dropping the ball over the top of the CB, and outside of the S against Cover-2 looks. That's something which neither of our last 2 QBs had much skill at. One of the keys to the McDaniels offense is challenging the deep outside, and I am confident that Orton has the skill set to do it."
The Chicago media was higher on Cutler than some of the fans. Take a look at this piece from the Chicago Tribune, dated October 20 of 2008:
That mentality has helped the Bears thrive. In the last three games, Orton has completed 71 of 109 passes for 903 yards with five touchdowns, no interceptions and a 106.2 passer rating.
"We feel that he's turned into one of the top guys in the league," said tight end Greg Olsen. "Besides the physical tools and being able to make all the throws, he's a guy with total command of the game plan and the offense. He gets us in and out of good plays.
The coaches put a lot on him, sending him to the line with a couple of options and relying on him to make the right decision, and for the most part he almost always does.
In Sunday's win, Orton completed 21 of 32 passes for 283 yards with 2 touchdowns, no interceptions and a 114.5 passer rating. The former Purdue star easily could have had three more TD passes, but Marty Booker dropped two throws in the end zone and Desmond Clark fumbled at the 1-yard line.(Note: That's the Broncos own Desmond Clark who, with Greg Olsen, has become one of the Bears leading TE since arriving in 2003)
"I don't think we have any egos on our offense," Orton said. "It's a group effort. That's how we treat it at practice, that's how we treat it in games. It doesn't matter if we're getting cheered, if we're getting booed, whatever the case is. It's 11 guys in there together trying to get it done, and it's a great feeling out there."
Operating a no-huddle offense at times throughout Sunday's game, Orton completed at least two passes to seven different receivers. Of his 21 completions, nine went to tight ends, eight were caught by receivers and four went to running backs.
"When that ball's flying around and we're going no-huddle, we've got a team on its heels, and it's fun," Olsen said. "We feel like we're in total control of dictating to them, dictating what they can do to us, and that's a good feeling."
The Denver Post added this:
"Check out the three-week stretch of statistics directly before his injury: 301.0 passing yards per game, five touchdown passes, no interceptions and a 106.2 rating. And that was while playing quarterback for defensive-minded head coach Lovie Smith.
"Not taking anything away from a defensive head coach," Orton said. "That's what they know, that's their passion, and that's what they're going to coach toward. I know we were safe a lot of times in Chicago. There were a lot of game situations where we played it pretty safe and let our special teams and defense win it."
If Orton is struggling now, it's containing his enthusiasm at the prospect of playing for an offensive-minded coach such as McDaniels. The Broncos' system will ask its quarterback to throw oodles of high-percentage passes a game, mostly from the shotgun formation.
Strengths and Weaknesses
Orton has downsides, no question. He tends to throw a flat pass at times and has them tipped at the line. He will still fall into that sidearm motion at times. He can hold the ball too long, although if he gets receivers open that may diminish. He shouldn't be asked to make certain long passes, although he does well on others. But if you add up strength and weaknesses, both of which you find in all QBs, his overall package is excellent.
For example, John Madden, during the Philly game, noted that the closer you get to the goal line, the better Kyle Orton is. He meant that Kyle can make all the throws in the shortened field. It really plays to his strengths, and after our poor numbers in the red zone with Cutler, that may be a welcome relief. In the red zone, Cutler had only a 46.6% completion rate and a QB rating of 76.1.
Orton, with a lessor offensive team around him, had a QB rating of 96.0, better numbers on his TD rating and threw an interception only 1.69% of the time as opposed to Cutler's 4.76 (red zone numbers provided courtesy of nycbroncosfan). If you thought that a lot of drives ended in interceptions - well, they did. Give the man a little more time and an open receiver and he can make any throw up to about 20 yards from the line of scrimmage. He didn't have either - time or the receivers, all too often, but he still managed to do what good QBs do - he produced.
He's also courageous. He has a (bad) tendency to not slide when he runs with the ball. He throws a pretty good block for the quarterback. He plays injured and never complains. He's really a blue collar sort of quarterback, the perfect kind for an orange and blue team.
Dodging Bullets
Sacks were a constant problem for Orton last year: pressure and hurries were also incessant. I know that I talk a lot about the Denver line. The more of Chicago's that I saw, the more I decided that I'm going to talk about them, too. I saw two INTs in two weeks that were coverage/blitz INTs - one was tipped by one of multiple, unobstructed blitzers or he was screened by having 3 guys in his face and trying to get the screen pass off. Kyle's not that immobile - the line has to play better. John Tait was a constant problem., too, but he wasn't alone.
The coaching didn't help Orton very much. They almost never used Orton on a bootleg (when he was healthy), never on play action - Other than the no-huddle, used sparingly never backed off the blitz. The play-calling often seemed rudimentary and didn't do things that seemed simple to protect the QB. I hope that they do better for Cutler.
By the way, watching Orton run the no-huddle gave me a lot of respect for the man. Whoever McDaniels chooses to run the offense in Denver will have to have skill at making reads and audible adjustments. Orton definitely has those skills.
Watching him carve up Philadelphia like a Thanksgiving turkey in Week 4 was enlightening. He threw 3 TD passes in the 1st half against a pretty good Philly defense. He really does excel in that red zone - he also used the no-huddle very effectively to control the blitz.. Orton was sacked 4 times, hit 4 times more, knocked down 3 times and had 2 batted balls. That was in just the 1st half plus 10 minutes of the Philadelphia game. He still came up with 3 TD passes in that time. That was pretty good, considering how he was pummeled:. During that same time he was 16/29, for 178 and 3 TD with 2 interceptions.
That Philly defense had handed the Pittsburgh Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger his head the week before, so they were no slouches. It's fair to say that Orton needs a better ‘clock' in his head to get rid of the ball - that's a coaching issue - but it's also true that he was not getting much help. Let the guy roll out, let's see how he does on bootlegs and let him get into the full role of a QB. From everything that I saw, we're going to like what we get.
The injury at mid-season to his ankle changed his performance. You could see the difference in Orton's mechanics immediately and throughout the rest of the season. It was a high-ankle injury, and it really slowed him. He became even more of a target to opposing blitzers and his accuracy was severely hampered. The stats don't really matter after that point - it was impressive just to watch him fighting for every play, hobbling to the line of scrimmage and never complaining. If the Chicago defense hadn't given up TDs in the 4th quarter, he would have had more wins. Given the difficult road that his tenure in Chicago endured, his record of 21-12 says it all.
Looking Ahead
In the final analysis, the measure of a QB is going to be how many wins he was involved with. In later years, no one but the toughest fans talk about how the defense faltered against Atlanta, or how badly they were out-coached in this or that game. It's unfair at times, but there's a reason for it. Good QBs find ways to win. It's the measurement of the position. There are a precious few like Marino who remake the record books on sheer throwing ability, but even they would gladly trade 5000 or 10,000 yards for the glitter of a Super Bowl ring.
Next year isn't going to be easy. Putting in a new offense takes time, effort and discipline. The Broncos are also remaking the defense. Players will come and go, and the coaches will have to find the ones who absolutely are not going to let this team lose. Wins will have to be earned. The old proverb "The hotter the fire, the stronger the steel" never rang more true than it does now. The players who see in this a golden opportunity are the ones who will create those wins.
"Taking nothing away from my days in Chicago, but this is an offense that a quarterback can thrive in," Orton said. "Hopefully, I can take the next step in my career and become a top-level quarterback in this league."
This is his biggest challenge and his best chance. Opinions vary. As far as top-level QBs go, for my money he already is.

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I was hoping some look at this guy a little more closely. Does this mean you’ll be doing a Simms posting too? I really think that it is going to be an all out competition between these two players. And I don’t see it being decide until the middle of preseaon. Hopefully it doesn’t turn into a Webster vs. Koutvidies thing. Cause that was just picking your poison for the season.
by maritimebronco on Apr 19, 2009 12:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Simms will come up after the draft
And I’ve heard rumors that there will be an article comparing the two of them to our last offense, so we’ll see.
Interesting that you’d mention the K2/Webster thing. Can you personally believe that Nate wasn’t a sentimental favorite? I suspect that with the publicity over Nate’s father’s death, and with him dedicating his season to his dad that Shanahan decided that his heart triumphed over Niko’s skill. Sad.
There are no favorites here. McD went out and got both of them, wanted both of them and is training both of them. A QB controversy is always a possibility, but from what I’ve seen of Josh, I’m not worried. Nice point, thought
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 19, 2009 12:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
K2 v. Webster
I don’t think it was sentimentality. K2 never looked comfortable in the middle. Everytime I saw him he looked tentative while Webster seemed to understand the defense. I think it really was a case of “choose your poison.” The coaches could go with Webster and his over-pursuit or K2 and his tentativeness. Tough call. The mistake was the coaching staff’s failure to realize the weaknesses in both players and take steps to find someone who could actually play the position.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 19, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Dead Dad thing tipped the scale?
It’s in the past anyway but I thought that K2 was probably better at stopping the run than Webster. K2 was tentative but also he seemed to lack a lot of natural agility and quickness to attack the ball and not get beat. I think that is why he would just stand there and let the guy come to him. When you think back to past drafts we should have grabbed a MLB. Frig Beason would have made an awesome Bronco. But its all part of the Bates Curse. I think its the first time we agreed on something Slow cause usually you have some constructive critism for me hahaha.
by maritimebronco on Apr 20, 2009 7:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Overview
I am three games into watching Orton’s 2008 starts on Game Rewind. The only real negative I can say I have noticed so far is his accuracy on deep throws.
He is very accurate on short and intermediate throws. He has a quick release, and I like his poise on the field.
Keep Moving Forward.
by ColoradoOwl on Apr 19, 2009 12:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great as always Bear! Sounds like we may have really come out on the bright side of this trade...
Especially if McDaniels really is as good at grooming QBs as what occured with Cassel would make it appear.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Little, Wright, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Apr 19, 2009 12:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
and recommended. You’ve articulated a lot of impressions that I also have. Orton may not have the physical skills that the former QB had, but he is better than a lot of fans and media are giving him credit for.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Apr 19, 2009 1:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great job Bear!
A very good summary on Orton! It will be interesting what you come up with for Simms. Based on their track records(at every level), there is not much of a comparison between the two QBs imo. Could the “open competition”, somehow tie into the need for the Broncos to rework Kyle’s contract in a substantial way.
For the offense to hit the ground running in September, Orton should get the majority of the reps in training camp and work with the 1st unit in preseason. Learning a new offensive scheme and getting familiar with the receivers is going to require thousands of reps.
by rocko1 on Apr 19, 2009 2:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right on the reps
I’m looking at it this way (and admitting up front that I’m a SunnySide kind of a guy): No matter which man it is, we’ll know pretty early in training camp. Big however – In order to be safer in case of injury, both men have to be very well trained. We know from multiple sources that both QBs are eating, sleeping and breathing the playbook. On to reps – they both have to have thousands.
But there’s an advantage. I’ve worked with growing companies, and when you change things, there can be resistance, but as people start buying into the new reality, there is an enthusiasm to the process. People become willing to put in extra time, really work to become superior at understanding and executing. If the players take that perspective, they are going to do well.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 19, 2009 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give you a rec?
Hell, I wish I could buy you a beer! This was just superb, Broncobear!
The only thing I didn’t like about this article is that it came to an end . . .
Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy
by AZDynamics on Apr 19, 2009 2:15 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Where do we send the $ for a beer or two?
Great post Bear, I love reading your stuff & IMHO we are some VERY blessed fans!!! I am excited to see what McD & Co. are going to bring to the table! LOVE the attitude & accountability so far, & the fact that it seems like most, if not all, the players are buying into what he’s selling! I think that Mr. Bowlen has done what he believes will get his team back to the SB for some more wins!! THANK YOU, PAT!!!
by Pmac54 on Apr 19, 2009 2:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
well....
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San Marcos, CA 92078
(760) 471-0050
If you’re in town, let me know…..great brews
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 19, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks guys
We also need to thank nyc for this article. He and I chatted a lot while I was breaking down the film, and it helped a to achieve a more complete perspective on this issue. Thanks, Doug
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 19, 2009 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bear, GREAT POST!!!!!!!!
sounds like you’ve been doing your homework on the guy. He’s just another reason that I’m ready for the season to get rolling.
by newby on Apr 19, 2009 3:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Just noticed the C on his jersey
Team captain! Sweeeeet!
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 19, 2009 3:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You bet
It’s not to take anything away from Cutler, but Orton is very popular with his teammates. They respected his fire and his off-field humility. That speaks well for the future.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 19, 2009 3:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Tales, as usual Doc
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Apr 19, 2009 4:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta Love this Article
Sounds a LOT like a “tough, get it done, team guy” by the name of Craig Morton!
My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season
by KaptainKirk on Apr 19, 2009 4:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what I thought also!
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Apr 20, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was great.
I was trying to explain yesterday to my wife the difference between the average MSM article vs. an MHR article. This captures it perfectly. Yes, we’re hopeful, but the level of detail, effort, and analysis here is amazing. Thanks for the great article Bear. Reminds me a bit of Boydy’s. Great stuff.
Looking forward to rooting for Orton (at some point).
Go Broncos!
by NedBronco on Apr 19, 2009 5:28 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great job Doc...
Glad to see we are on the same page.
Rec’d and buzzed my friend,
I think KO maybe the best part of “the Trade” for us.
A 5th for a starting QB whos potential has not been tapped…this season could be a surprise!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 19, 2009 5:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Marvelous article
Thanks so much for the in depth analysis of this article. I have felt good about Orton and Simms from the start and this just adds to that opinion. I think we are seeing a perfect match of both QBs to a system that they can thrive in.
If Orton can bloom late in the same vein that Drew Breese did, we will be a fortunate franchise and the speculation over what Cutler might have been will die very rapidly.
"Now we have them where we want them"
-Kieth Bishop - On the Denver 2 yard line, Cleveland Ohio, 1987
by AlanC on Apr 19, 2009 5:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Think Belichick
Some backfround on Simms:
Chris Simms had played ok at the end of the 2005 season, and thus came into the 2006 season with high expectations around him. However, for no particular obvious reason, Simms’s play in the first two weeks was abysmal. In back-to-back games against the Baltimore Ravens and Atlanta Falcons, Simms posted up 45 completions on 82 attempts for 446 yards, but had zero touchdowns and six interceptions. Largely due to his inexplicably poor play, the Bucs scored a mere 3 points in two games.
Then after his spleen injury:
Over the weekend of the 2008 NFL Draft, the Buccaneers reportedly received trade offers for Simms, but the team declined them. However, the Buccaneers denied that these trade offers ever existed. Simms’ relationship with head coach Jon Gruden worsened significantly during this period, due to how Gruden treated Simms during his recovery from spleen injury. He has even said that “The relationship between me and coach Gruden, it’s broken,” Simms said. “And I don’t see any way it’s going to get better.” Simms also said that he will never forgive Gruden, although he still respects the Buccaneers as an organization.
Does this look familar.
When it comes to what McDaniels says, think Belichick. The master of spying and camoflauge II. Unless the Broncos make a trade, I believe Orton is the man and they know it now. How can he not be? The problem, as I see it, is the $3 mil Simms is going to make and the $1mil Orton is due in the last year of his contract. What will Kyle settle for? What Rogers and Cassell make? Just a hunch.
by rocko1 on Apr 19, 2009 6:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Whether he starts or backs up, I'm sure that contract will be redone after the season
Of course, the amount will vary a lot, based on which of those roles he plays. But he’s a team player and he’s not at all afraid of competition (consider his past situation with Rex Grossman), so I’m sure that Josh and Co will make him comfortable. The only codicil I’d add is that if he backs up Simms, there is be a lot of teams looking to acquire him when his contract is up.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 19, 2009 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
great article
Thanks so much for taking the time to research and write fine this article. Orton was my 3rd rd choice for the Broncos that year. I think he has a very high ceiling with the MacD offense. I don’t know how to rec an article or I would rec this one. I am looking forward to your Simms article. He was also one of my favorites in the draft the year he came out. (This year my choice is Stephen McGee btw). I think the Broncos need to draft 2 QB this yr, one for the 3rd QB and one for practice squad. I would draft McGee in the 3rd and Mike Reilly Cent Wash in the 7th
by mauibroncofan on Apr 19, 2009 6:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
;-) It's the Line just before the comments section
Just for those who are new…Your thanks is plenty, my friend. Nice to have you here
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 19, 2009 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
starter
I say he could be the starter now
by duneman on Apr 19, 2009 7:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If you had a choice right now, straight up to have either Cutler or Orton
would anyone take Orton??
I know they are kinda hard to compare and all but still
by RiG on Apr 19, 2009 7:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Given the numbers and perceived attitude
I do not think McD would have taken Elway after his 3rd year in the league.
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
by wyoeng on Apr 19, 2009 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point in time?
With the the personnel and coach we have, Orton for sure. From all I’ve read and seen he seems to be the smoothest cog and a more than competent closer – Something the Broncos have sorely missed for years. Down the road? The dice are still tumbling.
by cuprite on Apr 19, 2009 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
flat out, i would have to say that i wish culter and mcd had been able to work things out, and that JC had stayed [so long as we wouldn’t have had a breakup 2 years down the road].
but the deal we got for cut was great; the more i look at it, the happier i am with it. The draft picks were the key of course, but i think KO is going to work out really well with us.
Sippin' PBR on a Colorado game day...
by mfured20 on Apr 19, 2009 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler or Orton?
A few months ago, Cutler was the answer without question, but that was before amplified reservations about his coachability, maturity, and leadership.
Regardless, it isn’t the question the FO was faced with. Instead it was: (an unhappy) Cutler and a 5th or Orton and two 1sts and a 3rd. The more we learn, the more it appears this may have been a steal for the Broncos.
Highly rec’d post. Thanks a bunch Bear and NYCbronco.
by CoastalBronco on Apr 19, 2009 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 19, 2009 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair question
I’ll give it an honest answer, too. Last season, I had some reservations about Cutler. I love the man’s natural talent. I believe that he can become great. When Shanahan was fired, I became concerned by Cutler’s reaction. Natural, but troubling.
When McD came on, I was worried. Not about him – I thought him, and still do, to be a good choice. I was worried because the things that I knew he would stress in the offense were not things that Cutler prefers, and Cutler became more ‘public’ with his displeasure than I thought the situation warranted. Heads were going to butt. As things played out, I still don’t think that Bowlen and McDaniels had much choice. You have to be a team player and you have to respect your coach and the guy who signs your paycheck.
So, when I make that choice, I have to do it in light of what happened. I would have been happy with Jay, had he accepted what was changing. Since he couldn’t, or didn’t want to, I had to look at that part of things. The choice is between a guy with a ton of talent who didn’t want to be a part of the team or a guy with some less natural skills, but who has worked like heck to develop what he has, who has never complained, whose teammates all deeply respect him and who will work hard as heck to develop within the system he has – and who is excited about that. Given those factors? I’m fine with this. From this point on, I’m looking forward.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 19, 2009 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
very well put
couldn’t agree more
by CoastalBronco on Apr 20, 2009 12:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome Bear!
You da dog! Oh, I guess that’s Jivan.
by St. James Bronc on Apr 22, 2009 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Bears Fan...
I can tell you Kyle will work his butt off to make your team better. He is a silent giant on the field, but isn’t flashy. He takes what the defense gives him most of the time.
I look forward with Cutler too. I bought his new jersey and wear it proudly, even before he takes a snap. I am also honoring ’Neckbeard" by not shaving mine until the season starts.
I am glad to see you guys are positive about Kyle. He was out captain, and he will be missed. I just hope Cutler matures now that he got what he wanted, and that he will become a leader on the field too.
by Bearsguy34 on Apr 23, 2009 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the comment!
It’s great to hear the perspective of Bears fans regarding KO.
" I just hope Cutler matures now that he got what he wanted, and that he will become a leader on the field too."
Welcome to my world from the past three years. Good luck with that :^)
by CoastalBronco on Apr 23, 2009 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Post
Recommended.
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
by wyoeng on Apr 19, 2009 8:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd.
Brilliant post, Bear.
"A rosy-fingered, golden-armed monstrosity."
by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 19, 2009 9:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Top to bottom
an excellent analysis, bb!
Sure looks like those hunches we formed after the trade were completely justified. The only thing I’m nervous about is how long it will all take to come together. But this man is no rookie, and our offense is full of big time talent, so on offense I’d be surprised if we’re not firing on all cylinders by mid-season, putting the scare into some good teams.
I’m putting the onus on the D to show us something this year. I’m now more than comfortable with the options on O.
Thanks again!
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 19, 2009 10:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
rec'd.....good read, thanks
"show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser" - coach
by chikndnnr on Apr 19, 2009 10:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The key for me...
The key for me here is that Orton has learned and improved. The biggest frustration I’ve had over the past few years is that we have seemed to lack any ability to grow individually, and/or as a team (the possible exception being a little defensive spark with the younger guys were covering the injuries last season). Mostly, you’ve had stars hit the ground running (Clady, Royal), or pickups who just stay flat (Moss, Webster, etc. etc. etc.). I’ll leave it to the better football minds to assess why this is the case (or if I’m even on target); but I’ll gladly take an Orton, a Simms, and other “non-stars” if they can grow and learn to win as a team.
Great post! Informative and well written. Thanks!!
by MakeCents on Apr 19, 2009 11:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well that is one outstanding analysis broncobear
I tip my hat to you on a fine piece of work. I know I don’t expect the Broncos to be a solid team this year with all the changes and a new system in place, however I never thought I would say this but I feel somewhat comfortable with Orton.
For example, John Madden, during the Philly game, noted that the closer you get to the goal line, the better Kyle Orton is. He meant that Kyle can make all the throws in the shortened field.
This is what I really need to see us improve on. Punch it in when we are that close.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
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by weazel on Apr 20, 2009 12:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Cutler is gone
Cutler is gone and we, like the team, need to move on. When you look at it though, it’s pretty obvious that Cutler and his agent drove the wedge that resulted in the trade being necessary.
Cutler asked to be traded immediately after Bates left. He then met with McDaniels and found out what might be expected of him.
Then the trade stuff and his being miffed was made public by a “source” than I believe was none other than Cook.
Then when the trade was inevitable, Cutler expressed the desire to not go to Cleveland. Why? Because Mangini is the coach and they run the same offensive system. Its the system he didn’t want to play for rather than McDaniels. I think that is a HUGE mistake.
But here we are with not only a very talented offense, but talented QBs and a system that will maximize their strengths. I do look for a good year this year and I think it depends on how fast the defense comes together. With a new system and about 1/3 new players, it will take a lot of work.
Shanahan never had a “good” defense here. Even during the Superbowl years it was better described as adequate. Neither Shanahan or Reeves for that matter showed any real ability to evaluate and aquire defensive talent. Remember Reeves taking a defensive tackle that he had never seen and then finding out the guy was no bigger than a linebacker?
Anyway, great posts here and great information all around. I’m looking forward to this draft like I haven’t in a long time.
"Now we have them where we want them"
-Kieth Bishop - On the Denver 2 yard line, Cleveland Ohio, 1987
by AlanC on Apr 20, 2009 12:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
North County Guy, eh?
Great post Doc (and NYC) as always. I have been reading on this site for months, I just don’t comment because I can’t do it from my phone. Your research and analysis of what KO brings to the Broncosis greatly appreciated.
A side-note, I grew up in Escondido, and now live in Temecula. I’m out that way (San Marcos) all the time.
by TVbronc on Apr 20, 2009 1:02 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post!
Hey Bear, I’m new here, but I just wanted to let you know that I’ve lurked for a little bit and I like what I’ve seen.
Great breakdown of KO, this was exactly what I have been looking for. Thanks!
Sippin' PBR on a Colorado game day...
by mfured20 on Apr 20, 2009 2:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome!
I’m glad that you’re come out of the woodwork. I only found MHR about a year ago, and the members and staff here immediately impressed me. I hope that you enjoy it as much as I – nice to hear you posting comments. well reasoned discussion are the order of the day here. Enjoy!
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 20, 2009 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've said this before...
But I just can’t help but repeat it. As a longtime, huge fan of Kyle Orton, I am so excited about him being in Denver. I watched him play at Purdue and in Chicago, and as a fan it was frustrating to watch his years in Chicago. For A LOT of reasons. From the lack of support cast to the way the media, fans, management and coaching often treated him, it was a bad situation. I don’t want to dwell on it, but let’s just say I’m glad I won’t feel the need to watch very many Bears games this season. Which is good because I’ll have more Bronco games to watch!
As someone who has always believed in Orton’s ability as a QB and a leader, you have no idea how refreshing it is to come on here and see so many Bronco fans ready to embrace Kyle Orton and at least give him a chance to show what he can do. After the verbal beatings he took from the fans and media in Chicago, this is certainly a welcome change of pace! Thanks Denver, you obviously have a great fan base!
by racer39girl on Apr 20, 2009 9:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to both of you!
racer39girl, one of the great things about the Broncos fans here is that they are unstinting in support of players who give their hearts and strengths to being a Bronco. Kyle has made it clear that he’s in this to win the job, and that whatever the outcome, he’ll handle it with the kind of class that he showed in Chicago. We’re glad to have him and look forward to what he will give to the team – and we’re glad to have both of you on MHR. Thanks for commenting.
Hillis in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 20, 2009 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second Bear..
Welcome and thanks for the great comments racer39girl on KO.
I personally think we fleeced Chicago and the best value part of the trade was receiving Kyle Orton. Can he be comeback player of the year, because he may just be one of the biggest surprises of the season in the 2009 season!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 20, 2009 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone besides me thinking 3-13?
After the reality of the schedule sinks in and the fact that we don’t score many TD’s to begin with, I’m thinking 3-13, new coach, new offense, I would not be surprised at 2-14, should have a nice top five pick next year either way, call me in 2012
Still pullin’ hard, just not real excited about the upside, flashes of Wade Phillips type results are buzzing around in my head…
GO BRONCS GO
by dbfannwis on Apr 20, 2009 8:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see 3-13
We have too much firepower on offense. I don’t care if we have Phil Simms at qb, we have an excellent O Line and a solid running game. No matter how you slice it, we are due to pick up significant talent in the draft. Our red zone efficiency can’t get any worse, thus we score more. The schedule is indeed tough, but there is just so much parity in the league that many wins and losses boil down to intangibles. I see the new coach, new offense, and new defense as an asset.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Apr 20, 2009 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't have said it any better
Quoted from page: No. 3-ranked quarterback in the nation by Phil Steele’s behind Matt Leinart (USC) and Jason White (Oklahoma)
And who is Matt Leinart and Jason White? What the hell did they do in the NFL? lmao. You’ve been suckered.
by surrealbears on Apr 28, 2009 7:32 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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