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Some call it the light at the end of the tunnel. Others insist that its actually a train, and we are stuck on the tracks. But what do you think, Bronco Country?
Great deal. Lots of picks, good riddance Jay.
396 votes
Good deal. Lots of picks, good luck to Jay.
562 votes
Bad deal. We could have got more, but instead its good bye Jay.
120 votes
Terrible deal. Picks and Orton?? Come back Jay!!
401 votes

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Alright guys! It's crunch time!

You’ve received a load of picks for Cutler. Have fun rebuilding your defense! You’ve done a pretty good job with this trade, and I hope your new coach gets the job done. With a better defense, you might just improve on your record. That’s all you can count on, because Kyle Orton is no Jay Cutler, not by a long shot.

There is one thing for sure, by this time next year he’s either going to be paraded around the city on a golden throne, or tied to a block of wood and burned at the stake.

Good luck.

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Apr 2, 2009 5:20 PM MDT reply actions  

By the way

By previous closing comment extends to your Head Coach as well.

"Once again the trowsers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Apr 2, 2009 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd bet on the coach being burned at the stake.

I don’t think Denver is prepared for the 3-13 season that is about to happen. At least they’ll get a high pick next year!

by MTBroncoFan on Apr 2, 2009 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

seriously?

i don’t understand how people can’t see that the broncos are otherwise a good team. sure they may struggle next season without Cutler — but 3-13? With that line? With the depth at RB? With a presumably improved defense? (that can’t be worse) The melodrama is laughable. I’m no Pollyanna, but I at least expect them to be competitive next year.

by underdog on Apr 2, 2009 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I ain't happy about the deal

But, I think that was probably the best they were going to get given the circumstances, I will say, I am a hell of a lot happier about this deal than any deal where we would of got Matt Cassel and given up picks.

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness

by Broncoman on Apr 2, 2009 5:20 PM MDT reply actions  

Cassel vs. Orton

That’s pretty much a toss up for me…

Looks like we may still need to pick a QB either this year or next…

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

by DesertBroncoFan on Apr 2, 2009 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lets move on--good luck jay

GO BRONCOS

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Apr 2, 2009 5:22 PM MDT reply actions  

I’m not moving on.. I hope he sucks badly with da Bears!

by Where is Bob Hartley? on Apr 2, 2009 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Same here, but at least now we get to focus on the draft. Now we can take a LB and a DL in the 1st round...you gotta look at the bright side.

What I want the Broncos to do before the start of next season:
1) Improve the defense drastically.
2) Improve terms with Jay Cutler.
3) Talk Jay into firing Bus Cook as his agent.
4) Sign Torry Holt to a 1 year deal.

Let's go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by broncoholic on Apr 2, 2009 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

the great thing about it

we can root for jay cutler to suck next season, because the worse the bears are, the better our pick!

by lolcopter on Apr 2, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it is the best we could get

Everyone would have loved 2 1st and 2 2nd and a 4th or some crazy trade like that but is that a realistic expectation. I would have loved to get a few more picks but I think we were setting our expectations to high. Lets move forward get some good players with our draft picks and build this team.

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 2, 2009 5:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Let's see here..

We have 4 1st-rounders over the next 2 years, an extra 3rd rounder, and a backup QB with starting experience.

And all we had to give up was a guy who didn’t want to be here anyway and a 5th rounder?

Grand slam.

by Hobnail_Boot on Apr 2, 2009 5:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Time to rebuild...

Great points, now we have to make those picks stick. Which is something we haven’t done in the past with Shanny drafting. Hope JMac and crew know what they are doing. I will always be a Bronco fan, it’s just a lot more fun when they are good. GO BRONCOS!

by BroncoBuff on Apr 2, 2009 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

The deals was great.

But I didn’t want Sh.tlip which is my nickname for Orton. Sorry, but when he has his helmet on it looks like he has a nice turd just riding shotgun on his upper lip.

Anyways. I’m still concerned with our QB situation. I mean, Orton (SL), Simms, and Hackney… OK… Did we just become the Bears? Are we going to go through 10 QBs in the next 3-4 years too?

by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Apr 2, 2009 5:37 PM MDT reply actions  

The SPLEEN

will start ahead of Orton FYI

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 2, 2009 5:37 PM MDT reply actions  

So if the SPLEEN starts, does that make us the Mystery Men

"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness

by Broncoman on Apr 2, 2009 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

hasnt our team been a mystery since McDaniels took over anyway?

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 2, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

$5

says cutler doesn’t make the pro bowl next year

have fun loser!!

by lolcopter on Apr 2, 2009 5:41 PM MDT reply actions  

Not bad...in my opinion

Ok…I was a supporter of Cutler and I wish him well; however, now we have to move on. Orton…I don’t think he’s has bad as everyone here is saying. I’m from Michigan, so I see the Lion’s and Bear’s games every week. I honestly see an upside to this for Orton. He’s has great weapons here in Denver. He did quite well in Chicago with not much at his disposal. IF…IF…McD can utilize his talents I think Orton can do well for the Broncos. Sure he’s no Cutler, but I think he can be a good QB in our system. I was hearing on Sirius that they think they should trade down with both our 1 round picks to grab a QB; however, I disagree in that we’d be wasting what we got for Cutler. Again just my humble opinion…

by nheimler on Apr 2, 2009 5:44 PM MDT reply actions  

I dont think he will like it in Chicago

Cutler likes to throw the football around and the bears are a run first team with matt forte

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 2, 2009 5:44 PM MDT reply actions  

here is a quote from cutler's dad

“This is the happiest day of my life,” Cutler’s father Jack said after hearing from his son about the deal.

The Cutlers were life long Bears fans

This is pretty sad if this is the best day of his life lol. This just proves the cutlers were never happy in Denver

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 2, 2009 5:55 PM MDT reply actions  

i bet 3 years from now Cutler comes crying back to denver

he’ll be sick of no oline or weapons on the bears and will finally realize denver was the best place for him. but it will be too late…

24-24 doesn't win championships

by broncoboy on Apr 2, 2009 5:56 PM MDT reply actions  

lol

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 2, 2009 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't like Orton

But can be convinced he’s mediocre. :) I really don’t know anything about him. Does he have a strong arm? Is he accurate? Does he have that elusive ability to escape would be sackers, y’know that sixth sense that he better move because he’s been in the pocket too long?

All I remember of him is a bad beard and the fact that nobody seems to want him, the Bears were just making due until something better came along.

What is the first round pick this year? 10?

We don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks. - Calvin

by solace on Apr 2, 2009 5:56 PM MDT reply actions  

As the bears are my second team, and my inlaws' favorite team,

I have seen Orton a time or two. In answer to your questions: Arm? Nnnno… not really. Accurate? Well, not really. Scrambling ability? Not observed.

I’ll admit, the bears are a distant second to my Broncos.

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Apr 2, 2009 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am sure Cutler is happy

being reunited with his teammates from Vandy in Chris Williams and Earl Bennett

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 2, 2009 5:56 PM MDT reply actions  

I like the picks the Broncos got ...

but think Chicago made out. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Broncos are looking for a QB for a while. Don’t think the Spleen (great knickname), Orton, or Sanchez are the answer. I can see a 3-13 season on the way for sure now. Maybe a #1 overall pick.

I also think the Bears head coaching position just got a whole lot more attractive to Shanahan…

by MTBroncoFan on Apr 2, 2009 5:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Don't worry

Our starting QB will be Hackney. ;)
(stranger things have happened)

by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Apr 2, 2009 6:00 PM MDT reply actions  

At face value, I think it was fair for both sides...

Just scared to death that Cutler goes on to a HoF worthy career while the Broncos are mired in mediocrity for 10 more years, if those draft picks don’t pan out.

Here’s hoping that both parties enjoy success and SB appearances… wouldn’t it be hilarious if they met in a future SB?

by tunga77 on Apr 2, 2009 6:01 PM MDT reply actions  

How many years has Orton been playing?

What I want the Broncos to do before the start of next season:
1) Improve the defense drastically.
2) Improve terms with Jay Cutler.
3) Talk Jay into firing Bus Cook as his agent.
4) Sign Torry Holt to a 1 year deal.

Let's go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by broncoholic on Apr 2, 2009 6:02 PM MDT reply actions  

i still cant believe you traded cutler . I had is back on arrow head pride yes im excited he is gone

but he was your best option in my opinion teams would kill for a starter like him. Mcdaniels should be burned at the stake.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 2, 2009 6:04 PM MDT reply actions  

Maybe I'm being naive, but I can't see 3-13 or even 4-12 in 2009

I just feel like the offense was a whole lot more than just Jay. The line is top 2-3 in the league, the receiving corps is excellent, and I think the coach will be able to keep the offense running, even with Orton or Simms.

Also, I think the D is already better than last year and we haven’t used any of our 11 draft picks yet. Call me crazy, but I still think they win at least 6-7 games, even with their scheedule.

Also, if Simms does start, does that devalue Clady (since Simms is a lefty)? Just a thought.

by blooming rock on Apr 2, 2009 6:05 PM MDT reply actions  

I have been wondering the same thing about Clady

Is it possible for him to go to the right side? Or does that make no difference whatsoever?

by adamriggs on Apr 2, 2009 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yah

I made comment to this effect above. I could see them struggling in some ways but they have too much talent everywhere else to be as bad as the real gloom and doom posters here are predicting. Not with their OL, their RB depth, some of the new personnel on defense (and presumably some good players from the draft). Oh, and if the coach is any good. In short, who knows, but I think it’s ludicrous to be predicting the end of the world. Cutler won some games with his arm alone, and the D was bad, but let’s not forget Cutler also lost some games on his arm, too.

by underdog on Apr 2, 2009 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am happy.

The drama ends today. There may be a few follow-up surprises, like maybe one or two guys that can’t get over loyalty issues with Cutler, guys from his draft class or later. However, the main question has been put to bed. Let’s hope McDaniels can work his magic on ANY career backup QB.

I still get to root (cautiously) for Jay on my second favorite team. I wasn’t inside any of the discussions that went on, so I don’t know whose “fault” all this was. Maybe its just the Universe’s way of setting things right, putting Jay where he wants to be, and giving Denver the fresh start Bowlen spoke about when he fired Shanahan. There is balance in the force now. Denver’s place is not, and has never been, “in the news.” Remember how we all used to be shocked if the media mentioned anything about the Broncos? This will teach us to be careful what we wish for. I don’t LIKE our team being in this limelight. I’d rather the hall of fame overlook our greatest legends every year than to have the media hype our quarterback the way they hyped Cutler. I enjoy being the under-the-radar underdog. It is where the Broncos belong. Victory from behind, beneath, and below. Subtlety in style, precision in execution, and class on the field. I wish I could go meditate at the Horvil Tiki. btw, is he back online yet?

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Apr 2, 2009 6:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Better here than on the peace, love, and understanding thread

Nobody knows how this deal will work out. But I don’t see how anyone in their right mind can feel good about it. Seriously.

Let’s just talk about facts. Fact, Jay Cutler is currently the best QB from his draft class, a class that included Vince Young and Matt Leinhart. I’ll go further and say that Jay Cutler is one of the few, young, franchise quarterbacks in the NFL right now. Period. Sometimes even top draft choices, at QB, don’t turn out to be franchise QBs. Some teams go decades without a franchise QB. The Broncos have only had one, and Cutler was becoming the second in franchise history. Now what do we have left at the most important position, by a mile, in football? Kyle fricken Orton and Chris Simms. Sorry if I’m not doing cartwheels here.

I don’t care who Josh McDaniels thinks he is. Other NE coordinators have been hyped, moved on, and failed. Other coordinators with more on their resume than McDaniels. I don’t care if they land a stud with the 18th pick in the draft. Unless he is a franchise QB (and I’m not even sure if there is one in this year’s draft), the Broncos just lost, big time. And my guess is that next year’s Bear pick isn’t going to be very high. Bear fans are feeling like Broncos fans felt in the spring of 1983 right now. And now I know how Colt fans felt.

Sorry if I forgot to sing cumbaya. ;)

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on Apr 2, 2009 7:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Yada yada yada

Yes, we’re all well aware of what Jay is capable of. Not only in his ability on the field, but his ability off of it. Namely, he’s got a knack for jerking off upper management and turning his back on his teammates. All the talent in the world (by the way, being better than Vince Young and Matt Leinart really isn’t that remarkable of an achievement) doesn’t justify that behavior. Nobody is above their own franchise.

As was said earlier in the comments, we made off with a handful of great picks in exchange for (pardon my hyperbole) a traitor. We have our first franchise QB in over a decade, you say? That’s nice…well, that guy doesn’t wanna be here. Sorry, but Jay Cutler really doesn’t care what you think.

The truth is that no Bronco fan in their right mind should be opposed to this. Sure, ideally we could have kept Cutler and he could have gone on to do great things for us for years to come. Welcome to reality, where that guy wants nothing to do with the team and would have just continued to be a distraction whose heart wasn’t in it. You want to keep that? Seriously?

Cutler’s not a franchise QB. He may be one day, but right now, he isn’t. Maybe you and I have different criteria for a franchise quarterback, but a couple of mine are to behave older than 12 years old and demonstrating some semblance of leadership. Cutler has neither of those things going for him, and unless he learns to change that, he’ll go the way of Ryan Leaf.

by Rob4Braves on Apr 3, 2009 12:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bungled Pay Rise

I don’t get to post on here very often, so many better informed commentators who say it much more eloquently.

However, I do believe Jay when he said he didn’t intend to be traded – this was supposed to be about a Pro Bowl QB getting what he thought was a well deserved pay rise for putting up some stellar numbers. But when you hire Bus Cook and negotiate through bullying and threats and stone-walling the guy who signs your cheques, then the law of unintended consequences takes over. Either way, Cutler, Cook and the Broncos management have just taken part in the most bungled pay negotiations ever.

Moving forward, we’re off the frontpages and this has to be good for team morale. We have a stack of draft picks and I’m on my knees hoping that McX can do the business in the draft.

Cutler was always going to be traded out of conference, and my preference would have been for the graveyard of talent that is Detroit. I think he’ll do ok in Chicago – average O-line, decent D, tough division with Green Bay and the Vikes, and also up against the AFC North this season.

Bears next due in Denver in 2011 – GO BRONCOS!!

"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It's nothing of the kind. The game is about glory. It is about doing things in style, with a flourish, about going out to beat the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."

Danny Blanchflower

by orangecrush22 on Apr 3, 2009 4:48 AM MDT reply actions  

As an NFL deal this is a tremendous win for the Broncos. Getting 2 1st round picks is just unheard of. Throw in a 3rd and a quality QB and it’s a steal.

Yes Jay’s important, but he wanted to leave, so let’s move on from that.

Let’s see how Orton turns out under Wonderkind’s guidance. From everything I’ve heard he’s highly respected in the locker room and is a guy everyone rallies behind, and he’ll be willing to learn and never say die. I’ll take that.

by hallandnash on Apr 3, 2009 7:28 AM MDT reply actions  

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