If we are going to be 8-8 and not make the bowl with a mediocre QB at best, I would rather be 6-10 with a chance at a big time QB…..McDaniels is the one who served up the crap sandwich that everyone is eating….and I do hope I am wrong. Been following the Broncs for 30 plus years and can’t remember a time when I disagreed more with a head coach. Having said that, the proof will be in the pudding this year….all this yeh yeh about Orton will either shut me up or vindicate my view and I don’t want a bad year I just don’t want to be stuck in mediocrity.

I haven’t read yours. Orton is the more efficient QB, and has shown un upward trend. Cutler (for all of his flashiness) doesn’t seem to compare (at least to me).

Setting aside the name calling, I would be interested in seeing any statistical supports you have. The good Dr. has at least provided us with some numbers.

FWIW, I’m not one of the people that’s been trashing Cutler because he left the team. I think he could have had a future with the team, but took bad advice from a know sleazebag agent and blew it. However, I’ve had to set aside my own preconceived notions about Orton because of the plain facts that have been put before me.

Cutler is good; very good. He has some terrible habits that can be coached away. He’s also had the secret service protecting him on the offensive line, and three terrific WRs (plus two terrific TEs and a solid running game). Orton had no receivers of note in Chicago, and a horrible line. Still, he holds up in terms of efficiency against a QB who is surrounded by weapons.

I suggest you lay out Dr. Bear’s numbers from his work, then lay out your critical remarks. Otherwise, give the man the credit for the hard work he’s done and just disagree respectfuly.

Apparently intoxication has set in, so, step away from the keyboard before it bites.

The fact that the Bears see nothing in a quarterback is poor evidence. The team is horrendously run from an offensive standpoint. As a 24-year-old know-nothing fan, I could see that UCLA’s Cade McNown had happy feet, a goofy delivery, terrible improvisational tendencies, and bad accuracy. They made him the twelfth pick.

More to the point, what’s relevant about Orton is last year’s performance, when he played very, very well for a team with terrible pass blocking, wretched wide receivers (they’re actually COUNTING ON Jay-C’s buddy Earl Williams, who caught zero passes as rookie 2nd-round pick) and play-calling that was going to confuse nobody.

The bit about the Pats not making the playoffs without Brady is weak evidence, too. They went 11-5, better than multiple teams that made the playoffs.

Denver’s staff was approached about a trade, then rejected it. No big deal.

Bus Cook has a history of advising his players to refuse to play on the premise that a team rejected a trade offer. Cook was also caught in several un-truths regarding where people were when meetings happened that couldn’t have been correct.

Cutler’s refusal to talk was a gimmick, and he got called on it. MHR broke this angle, and the media scoffed. After Cook was caught in several lies, the media backtracked and ended up supporting MHR’s reporting. It was a nice feather in our cap, and a repudiation of Bus Cook’s behavior.

Cutler got called on a bluff and lost. For Cutler fans like me it was hard to swallow. But those are the facts.

This didn’t come out until after Cutler became a Bear, and it solidified my position on the situation:

After the (very preliminary) trade talk, the Front Office called Cutler and/or his agent that afternoon to inform them of the situation. This is when Cutler stopped communicating with the team. As far as I can tell, McD and Bowlen made the effort to handle the situation professionally and respectfully, and to keep the lines of communication open. Cutler and Cook were having none of it. So you (Whidbey) and I disagree that Cutler was lied to and disrespected, but that’s okay. We’re both coming from a concern for our team, so I appreciate your perspective.

I had high hopes for Cutler maturing and growing into the Elway heir we all wanted him to be. Although I shared his disappointment that the trade was considered (no way I was down for a Cassel/Cutler swap), I feel like he really let his Denver fans down with how he handled the situation.

I can’t quite bring myself to wish him the best, so I’ll settle for not wishing him the worst. I do hope the Bears 2009 record will provide the Broncos with a high 1st round draft pick next year.

So it’s a good thing it never gets windy in Chitown, eh?

team was 7-9 the preceeding year he picked Terrell Davis in the 6th rd #196, and things started turning around eventually to the Super Bowl, and 2 wins. Was it fate, or the luck of finding such a gem so late in the rds, no, it was an attitude of winning that got them there. I just hope that attitude of winning comes back to the Broncos.

Here’s hoping we’re all rooting like zealots in the playoffs next year!

Coach – Listens to an offer from another team, then rejects it.
Player – Refuses to answer his phone.

Add to that the meeting that Bowlen had face to face, even though he was out of town when the meeting would have taken place (we call that a “Bus Cook Lie”). Another lie was that McDaniels initiated the talks (the other team confirmed that it wasn’t McDaniels).

Remember, it was Cutler that demanded a trade, not the coach. It started because the team listened to another team, then said no. McDaniels was up front about that. Bus Cook has a history of demanding trades because of a contacted “trade talk”.

Assoc. Editor Styg50 broke this news, and the media intitialy scoffed. As the facts came out, Styg was proven right.

Your’e right. You should drop the issue unless you have new facts.

It’s blind until the object of that faith screws the pooch!!

lol sorry couldn’t help it.

I’m hoping coach recovers and continues in the footsteps of his mentor!!