Is Brady Quinn still on Broncos radar??
by John Bena on Apr 21, 2009 4:04 PM MDT
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Leave it the folks in Cleveland to start rumor and inuendo. Tony Grossi, Cleveland's version of Mike Klis, wrote a blog entry on Cleveland.com today that sparked my interest. He spoke of the Beat Writer's Mock Draft that was recently heald and of his pick for the Browns at #5 - USC QB Mark Sanchez.
There are reports of Washington and Denver salivating over Sanchez. It's possible either team could trade ahead of the Browns and take Sanchez at No. 3 or No. 4. If that happened, I believe the Browns would be in a favorable position to trade the No. 5 pick for extra picks. Curry and one of the top offensive tackles would command interest.
I believe Eric Mangini favors extra draft picks over most any player at No. 5, Curry included.
The big mystery to me is what Mangini would do if Sanchez fell to him at No. 5. Would he take the USC quarterback and "redshirt" him one year behind Derek Anderson? Or would he pass up Sanchez for extra picks in a trade?
I picked Sanchez in this mock only because I had to make a pick. We'll see what Mangini does on Saturday.
Yes, the same Sanchez that the Broncos flew to California today to put through a workout, sans Josh McDaniels.
Ok, so that is vaguely interesting to us Broncos fans. The next comment, however, definitely caught my eye --
Incidentally, the beat writer for the Denver Broncos said that Brady Quinn's name has come up recently inside the team's headquarters.
Coach Josh McDaniels publicly stated he would base some decisions in the draft on evaluations of the team's first minicamp, which was held this week. The minicamp was McDaniels' first chance to view up close his quarterback hopefuls, Kyle Orton and Chris Simms.
Yes, you read that correctly. The "Broncos Beat Writer" that Grossi is referring to has to be Klis, I'd imagine, and he essentially tells Grossi that Quinn's name has resurfaced inside the Dove Valley compound.
How realistic is this? In my opinion it could be a definite possibility. The Broncos were reportedly interested in Quinn, and Jay Cutler reportedly wanted nothing to do with playing for Eric Mangini. A Broncos/Bears trade involving Cutler would do little to change that.
Add that to the fact the Josh McDaniels has spent time with both of his incumbent QBs, and it isn't outside the realm of possibility that the Broncos could still have an interest in Quinn.
There was one small tidbit from Grossi's post that I do disagree with --
The beat writer thinks drafting a quarterback or trading for Quinn will amount to an admission of error by McDaniels in trading Jay Cutler. But he doesn't think it's out of the realm of possibility. The Broncos own picks No. 12 and No. 18.
If it was Klis that said this, he's dead wrong. A trade for Quinn now, after the Cutler trade, does nothing to admit the Broncos were wrong to make the move. The Cutler situation was a personality thing, and in my opinion an off-the-field conflict, that the Broncos felt they had to address. They took the best deal possible at the time.
Now, if they think they can improve the team by dealing for Quinn, so be it. I'm not advocating it, just saying that one move doesn't necessarily need to be tied to, or be a statement about, the other.
In 3 days it will all become known, and MHR will have you covered!
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Can't wait til the draft
only then will the smoke clear and the reality of getting ready for the season start. By the way, congrats on the combine credential, Guru. I’m looking forward to getting the inside info from a reputable source.
Personally, I would not welcome a trade for Brady Quinn. While I think he could be successful (like many QBs) under McDaniels, he has less experience than either Orton or Simms, who I think are on their way to a great year. The advantage that McDaniels gives the Broncos is the ability to use a substandard (according to other franchises) QB and be successful through coaching and scheming. That is why we are probably better off with a QB of average NFL talent as opposed to Jay Cutler, who had elite physical tools. But this advantage is in the ability to spend relatively less on the QB position compared to other franchises and more on other areas of need. If we waste more resources acquiring Quinn, we have given this advantage away by not acquiring a quality draft pick. In addition, if I remember correctly, Quinn has a sizable contract (esp. compared to the venerable Neckbeard) despite his draft day tumble. I just don’t really like Quinn. From our game against CLE this year, I don’t think he brings any more to the table than Orton, and I believe our efforts would be best used elsewhere on the roster, even at other offensive positions that don’t seem to need an upgrade (RB-Moreno, TE-Pettigrew, C/G-Wood,Luigs, WR).
by orangeandblueblood7 on Apr 21, 2009 4:15 PM MDT reply actions
Ah don't you love all the rumors
this time of year. MSM Writers have nothing to write about so they just speculate and make up stuff.
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 21, 2009 4:16 PM MDT reply actions
yeah, but the MSM writers still have insider access we are denied.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Access to who the janitor at Dove Valley?
I agree there is more access for the established MSM writers, but sometimes you gotta wonder. Who are the talking to at team headquarters……..
Like any secretive organizations, there will be "leaks"
Some or orchestrated, some are legit. It all depends on how each of one of us perceives the information. :)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The facts that Brady Quinn's name came up at Team HQ...
and that Denver has the 12th and the 18th picks really have nothing to do with each other. Unless it is part of a package deal. I mean if you can’t start for the Brown’s full time, give me a break.
Well
Chris Simms was not good enough to even compete with an aging Kerry Collins for the starting role in the Titans coaches eyes. I am pretty sure at worst Brady Quinn is also not able to compete with an aging Kerry Collins. Kyle Orton has been beaten out by Brian Griese and Rex Grossman in his career so it is not like it is beyond the realm of possibilities of improving the QB talent in Denver. That being said I don’t think Quinn adds anything to the equation. Hopefully they draft a qb with talent and potential that can sit on the bench and learn the offense. If Orton turns into the real deal extend him, if not buy him a bottle of Jack and send him on his way.
Saturday should be interesting. Hopefully it starts with the Nuggets winning down south.
Quinn has the most upside I think...but yeah, you don't drink enough kool aid my friend. :)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Let's get the story straight about Orton
Kyle Orton was never beaten out by Grossman and Griese. Hopefully I can straighten out the facts and give you a little insight into how things work with the Bears. Grossman was the Bears 1st round draft pick in 2003. Their new franchise QB! Grossman played in about five games in 2003 and did okay. In 2004 he missed most of the season due to injuries, but was annointed the starting QB. The Bears record in 2004 was 5 and 11. In 2005, Orton was drafted by the Bears in the 4th round.
In 2005, Grossman was injured in preseason. After Chad Hutchinson stunk up the joint during the remaining preseason games, Orton was named the starter for the season opener. The Bears went 10 and 4 in Orton’s first 14 games. Grossman has now recovered from the injury and with the playoffs coming up, Lovie Smith inserts the Bears “franchise QB” back in the starting lineup. Grossman starts for the remaining games in 2005.
In 2006, the Bears sign Brian Griese as a backup to Grossman. Even though Grossman was outplayed by both Orton and Griese during the preseason, Grossman starts all 16 games in 2006. He had a good first eight games, but his play deteriorated in the final eight games, playoffs and Super Bowl. Orton didn’t get on the field in 2006.
In 2007, Grossman was still the starter even though he played very poorly in preseason. Griese is second string and Orton 3rd. There was no competition.
After a 1 and 2 start to the season, Grossman was benched and Griese was named the starter. Griese does ok, but fell out of favor with the coaching staff. Grossman is reinstated as the starter, but gets hurt yet again in game 13. The Bears have 5 wins and 8 losses at this point.
Finally Bears management gets a bright idea. Let’s give Orton a shot! He went 10 and 4 as a rookie and hasn’t played since 2005. Orton and the Bears win 2 out of the last 3 games in 2007. In
2008, Orton is finally given a chance to compete with Rex Grossman for the starting job. Griese is released. You should know the rest of Orton’s history with the Bears by now. Again, Orton was never beaten out by Grossman. Bears management wouldn’t let him compete because Grossman was their boy.
by rocko1 on Apr 21, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Rocko...your info on Orton is invaluable and its is great having you over here!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 21, 2009 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll clarify
Orton was, in the opinion of the Bears coaching staff and management, not better than Griese and/or Grossman at one point in his career. However you define, whatever the motivation, the fact remains that Orton was holding a clipboard watching Grossman and Griese start at QB in Chicago. Orton then started a season, followed by the Bears making a decision that trading Orton, 2 1st round picks and a 3rd will improve their team. Does that mean that he wont be a stud in Denver playing for McD? No, I hope he makes the Bears regret the day they traded him, and one day the men of Colorado will proudly wear neckbeards in honor of their new hero. What it does mean to me is that like Chris Simms, Orton has failed to impress his coaches to the point they are comfortable with him as a long-term answer and the Bronco’s would be well served to hedge their bets just in case…
But on the other hand...
Josh McDaniels looked hard at Orton’s performance and decided that it was better to get Orton than Josh Campbell or, apparently Brady Quinn.
Time to galvanize
I disagree....I would ask you to go check some footage and also what Ortons strengths are...
Broncobear did a great synopsis of Orton here:
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/19/840423/tales-who-is-kyle-orton
I also did a blog as well here:
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/4/823116/is-kyle-orton-merely-a-quick-fix-a
Just check it out.
I think you are unfairly down on Kyle Orton.
Thanks AK!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
Getting Cutler was management's hail mary pass.
Think about it. Bears’ management evaluated, drafted him in the 1st round, and stuck with Grossman for four years. What does that tell you? They have wasted 1st round pick after 1st round pick over the past five years. Add in numerous blown 2nd and 3rd round picks. The Bears’ defense is rapidly on the decline, yet all the aging starters on defense have big expensive long term contracts. Orton was one of the only bright spots on the team in 2008, and one could easily make the argument he was their mvp. That with zero for wide receivers and a pourous offensive line.
The end of the road is coming for Jerry Angelo and Lovie Smith. Cutler is their out and insurance for a few more years on the McCaskey gravy train. We need to score more points is their solution! They are both incompetent, but when you are being judged by the the 93 yr. old grandaughter of George Halas(Virginia is the Bears’ current owner), it doesn’t take much BS to keep the paychecks rolling in. The Bears have completely lost the ability to judge, draft, and develop talent. Plain and simple. My prediction, the Bengals in two years. They have many holes on the team talent wise. One of which wasn’t at QB.
+1
Enlightening.
"A rosy-fingered, golden-armed monstrosity."
by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 22, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
You just made a bunch of Bronco fans happy...sad for Bears fans
happy cause Cutler gets screwed.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Let me ask you this rocko1,
If Grossman was their ‘boy’, and now Cutler is their boy, how is that going to play in the factor of Grossman’s ‘the boy’ ego? It could very well have a rippling affect all the way down through the teams locker room, don’t you think? Just a thought, and good luck tis season.
Urlacher said it all
“I guess they(management) felt we needed a change at quarterback”.
" Cutler must be really good".
“Kyle was a good QB, a great teammate and friend.”
“I hope he gets that big contract in Denver”.
The players are all singing the company line about Cutler, but they know what’s going on with the coaching and management.
by rocko1 on Apr 21, 2009 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree with this assessment
In particular the 2005 season. The Bears were 10-4 not because of Orton, but IN SPITE of him. He was terrible that year (less than 60 QB rating, only 1 game over 90) as are most rookie QBs. The Bears put Grossman back during the playoffs for the simple reason that Grossman was the better QB in 2005 (even with the long layoff).
What the Broncos are getting is Orton 2008 which is light years better than Orton 2005. Comparing the two is meaningless. However Orton hasn’t shown much to this point to suggest he’s anything more than adequate.
OK...but he managed the games and did not LOSE them games...
Big Ben did much the same thing his first season.
The difference: Pittsburgh improved the team around Big Ben on both sides of the ball with judicious drafting and pick ups as Jerry Angelo and the crew screwed the pooch.
Just my opinion.
Thanks Double B!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
homer homer homer
your love affair with Orton is plain funny……If I say it once I will say it a thousand times….EVERY BEAR FAN I know has been laughing for a couple weeks now…..Stephen McGee or Sam Bradford is more like it…..Maybe Orton can give us a top five pick… I could live with a painful year with a franchise QB coming next year.
+1
You should read the replies to my post on Chicago’s site… they feel sorry for us.
I hope they’re wrong… they are Bears fans after all. Oh wait, they have some of the most diehard fans in football… hmmm
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 21, 2009 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Your negaitivity and the want for our team to suck so you can get another franchise QB is what laughable...
Support the team…how can any fan wish for their team to lose because you are pissed we let a player that you like go???
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
At Yallas not Whidbey
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
Realistic is more like it
If we are going to be 8-8 and not make the bowl with a mediocre QB at best, I would rather be 6-10 with a chance at a big time QB…..McDaniels is the one who served up the crap sandwich that everyone is eating….and I do hope I am wrong. Been following the Broncs for 30 plus years and can’t remember a time when I disagreed more with a head coach. Having said that, the proof will be in the pudding this year….all this yeh yeh about Orton will either shut me up or vindicate my view and I don’t want a bad year I just don’t want to be stuck in mediocrity.
Laughing about what? The fact that they are homers as well?
Laughing about not having a single first round draft pick for the next two years in which to improve upon their aging defense? Their laughable offense? Cutler does not a team make.
It will be interesting to see how Cutler will carry an offense that is not built around him, without the benefits bestowed upon him in Denver. Do not get me wrong, first round draft picks also carry a bust potential, but at least we can address our perceived weaknesses through the draft, as well as having many chips with to deal with. The Bears are in just as big of a bust potential situation with Cutler if they cannot address their weaknesses on offense, but without as many bargaining chips. I just do not see this as a losing situation in Denver, but a chance to build upon an opportunity.
Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?
— Anon
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw
by Choochoobonewagon on Apr 21, 2009 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Bears Fans
the Chicago Bears fans I know are mixed. Most feel they really gave up a lot. They understand the move but have a realistic expectation.
Even PTI on the dreaded ESPN isn’t sure who wins this trade.
Remind me again
Why we care what the Bears fans think? OF COURSE they’re happy, they haven’t had a legit QB since 1870. Means nothing, and I personally could care less what those people think.
by AllBroncsallday on Apr 22, 2009 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
The 2005 season
In 2004, the Bears won five games. Basically with the same defense, offensive personel, and special teams as the 2005 team. I agree with you that Orton didn’t light the world on fire as their starting QB. They limited him to about 20 plays, and told him to just manage the game plan. He had one game where he threw four interceptions(he lost that game) and the remaining 13 games he was breakeven on touchdown passes vs. interceptions.
Coming into the 2005 season, Grossman had 5 touchdown passes against 7 interceptions for his career. A three and five record as a starter. Hard to make an arguement that Grossman is better than any QB with that track record. Injury prone to boot.
Broncobear had an excellent post titled “Who is Kyle Orton?” earlier this week. This is a must read to gain insight into Kyle’s career with the Bears(2005 in particular) and at Purdue. Having watched Kyle for 30 plus games at Purdue and all of his games behind center with the Chicago Bears, imo this kid is the real deal.
I'm sorry, but that's inaccurate.
Please read that above link to Orton has improved dramatically each year that he’s played, He came out of school with the predraft codicil that he wasn’t ready yet but would be very good in a few years. his performance last year prior to his injury was much better than Cutlers, by several statical models.
Analysis of Orton shows him to be a talented QB in an inappropriate system with a weak supporting cast – and he still did better than Cutler until his ankle injury should have sidelined him. Even then, the poor defense and lack of a running game in Chicago lost most of the games. Orton did s very good job. His performance, thrown into a bad offense his first year is unimportant.
Hillis in '09
much better than Cutlers, by several statical models... again drunk on the koolaid!
“Even then, the poor defense and lack of a running game in Chicago lost most of the games.”
Sounds like the things we Cutler supporters aren’t allowed to run…verbatim.
Why again were so many teams willing to give up so much? Clearly the rest of the world disagrees with your assessment.
That said, I like our QB’s. I hope we see some good competition there during preseason. They’re both pros who’ve shown skills, promise & very big heart. Maybe all one of them needs is a chance with a team like I’m hoping we are. (great) At least our line is better, our WRs are better and our scheme (so far as we know) is better.
There is reason to believe.
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 21, 2009 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks
That is a great history to know.
I’m glad McDaniels is trying to keep his eyes open to all of his team’s talent. Hopefully he can continue to do after coaching a few years.
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
to be fair...
Chris Simms wasn’t 100% back last season. I think this year he could return to the form he displayed with Tampa Bay before he lost his spleen.
Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.
John C. Calhoun --
Last year
Simms spent all of last year working on his mechanics and getting his arm strength back to where it had been. Everyone in Tennessee said he had made it back by the end of the season and was ready to play without any problems.
This will be an interesting pre season. Much more so than most.
"Now we have them where we want them"
-Kieth Bishop - On the Denver 2 yard line, Cleveland Ohio, 1987
'heard inside hq'
could mean that Klis was talking to himself, out loud while roaming the halls alone.
I put this in with Chris Mortensen and his “league sources”
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
lol
"I'm not looking for the best players; I'm looking for the right ones." ~Coach Herb Brooks in "Miracle"
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 21, 2009 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Quinn? NO!
Brady Quinn has potential, but that’s about it. The Cleveland Browns are a very challenged NFL organization. Why in the world they drafted Quinn is a mystery. They had Derek Anderson and drafting Quinn didn’t make a heck of alot of sense. Sure Quinn had a decent college career at ND, but hasn’t shown much in the NFL.
It is just wishfull thinking on the part of the Cleveland press to think that the Broncos will bite into Quinn over Orton. I also highly doubt the BS that Cutler didn’t want to play for the Browns. Put Orton and Quinn side by side, on any level, and you can see why Coach McD chose Kyle Orton.
Give Orton some playmakers and a good offensive line(both of which he didn’t have in Chicago) and he will make the Broncos fans forget about Jay Cutler. This kid is the real deal!
It's all about BJ
The Sanchez visit seems to me to be nothing but a smokescreen.
My hunch is that they are targeting Raji and will do whatever it takes to influence his drop a bit down the draft. Now, while I don’t think he will drop out of the top ten, I do believe if he drops to 8 (Jac) or 9 (GB), we will pull the trigger on a trade and go get him.
But you know what they say about hunches!
That’s right…big shoes!!!
I like Brady Quinn, but I think there is nothing here
You don’t trade for Orton if you’re going to turn around and trade for Quinn. My understanding is that there is not really widespread love for Quinn among the Belichick coaching tree, despite the recommendation of Charlie Weis.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
Agree Partially
Would definately not like Quinn. But want Stephen McGee (long term development) this year or Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy etc. next year….a top ten pick next year will be fun to pair with our other pick and we can truly replace Cutler.
No Colt please
We need full grown broncos!
My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season
Make it stop
I want to get off this bus, again, why would we want Quinn, seems like we could of had him many moons ago for or without Cutler, if that was the case, then why not make a three way deal with the Bears/Browns/Broncos. I think the realistic evaluation of Quinn coming out as someone with a inaccurate and weak arm who benefited do to the Norte Dame hype has not changed, he has not shown he can throw a ball over ten yards with any consistent accuracy, basically adding Quinn would cost us a ton of money and get us nothing but a three headed monster at QB.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness
One thing that most of you are forgetting
is that Quinn has experiance in this same system under Wiss at ND. I think maybe McD is trying to bring in someone who is familiar with this system so that he can be successful. First Cassell now Quinn. Whats next, bring Bledsoe back from retirement?
This is not the same system
and it’s not even close. Weis runs an Erhardt/Perkins offensive scheme, and the McDaniels offense is very different.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Apr 21, 2009 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Agree TB.....100%.
Enough with the frickin’ Brady Quinn talk.
Orton will be really good for us and Simms will do a great job at back up.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
enough talk about the point of this article?
The first line is only made less intelligent by the second…
Why will Orton be “really good” and why will he beat out Simms?
We know nothing yet do we?
Enough of the frickin kool aid overdose!
You know that 18th pick and the worse one next year?
let’s solve our QB problem with them… Oh wait they caused it, eh?
The one thing we do know about McD as a leader… he’s prone to serious error!
The only good he’s EVER done in the NFL was behind Belicheck!
So Let’s sit back and see before we speak eh?
small sips folks, i know it’s good but DAMN!!
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 21, 2009 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Nah man...sorry if I came off bad.....
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
People really need to wise up...
I’m with you boydy, McDaniels didn’t fall off the turnip truck yesterday (at least I hope not, he was ill I hear), and he will make the right dicisions for the team…No QB early, and No Quinn…KO will surprise so many people this year, they’ll be saying JC who?
I believe that is called
a reversal of fortune! ^^
^ Orton
v Cutler
One player does not make an offense unless they’re one player away.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 21, 2009 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I love your style Montana....
Chicago is a environmental grave yard for QB’s.
Chicago is WAY more than piece away from the golden ring (even if Jamie Dukes thinks Chicago can win the SB this year….God he is an idiot!) but I digress.
It is an absolute miracle that Orton made it thru Chicago, with his O line and weapons, with a pretty good winning record.
To me, that shows me the mental and intestional fortitude that we need for OUR team.
Peace.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 21, 2009 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes...as I like to remind some overzealous Bears fans
We had Cutler last year (with a top tier WRs and stellar OLine), and we didn’t even make the playoffs, let alone the SB. Goodnight and goodluck.
"I'm not looking for the best players; I'm looking for the right ones." ~Coach Herb Brooks in "Miracle"
by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 21, 2009 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol Kitten
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 21, 2009 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions
likewise buddy
Your ardent defenses of McD and KO are hallmarks of a bona fide fan. Good on ya!
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 21, 2009 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions
To clarify,
do you mean to say that the Broncos are going to field a team of laundry this year?
If that is what you are saying, then yes I will be rooting for the laundry. But I don’t see that as making me brain dead, just makes me a true fan. Like my grandpa was, when he started rooting for the laundry in the sixties.
If I have read your post correctly, here is a better formula IMHO:
True Fan = Roots for Laundry or Winners • Fair-Weather Fan = Only Roots for Winners
Of course this begs the question, what is a fair weather fan doing reading the off-season minutiae of a True Fan blog? We won’t know if the fair-weather’s should care about our team for several months now.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
I root for the Denver Broncos
Regardless of their laundry.
I will be disappointed and upset if they play poorly or are poorly coached. But until that happens, I am giving the new regime the benefit of the doubt.
Apparently you believe
that loyalty to a team makes you brain dead?
Explain.
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 22, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
IMHO
I believe our offense will be better that the Bears. Does anyone believe different? We have the better OL, WR, Coaching (Turner, McD, Dennison), and “system”. Hillis and gang will be utilized in a way that will confuse, daze, and humiliate defenses. All under the guidance of…(Orton).
so far I'm thinking maybe he DID!
Gawd some of you folks are like religious zealots!
After screwing the pooch on the Cutler thing, can’t we at least hold him responsible to prove himself before we start building him up? @#^#^#
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 21, 2009 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I want some
I want whatever you got. That has to be some strong stuff.
by surrealbears on Apr 28, 2009 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Some good points made...
There are multiple reasons why this doesn’t make sense. First we have Orton and Simms. Talent wise, I can’t justify saying Quinn is any better than Orton. Put them side by side I think Orton is the better player period. Next economically speaking we don’t have the money to make this move. Quinn’s contract is an albatross. Lastly we have other needs and I don’t think McD is in a position to start giving away draft picks. Quinn was drafted at #20. If anything his value has decreased. If we were to give any of our first rounders to Cleveland, I just doesn’t make sense. All that being said, we are still unfamiliar to what McD is thinking. We can gauge by his quality moves that he is a smart dude. But hypothetically what if he’s actually a bonehead? Maybe he likes this move. Maybe he wants Quinn bad? I doubt it but nothing is impossible. The point I’m trying to make is that while we have some evidence indicated he’s a smart guy, we don’t know yet for sure, the jury is still out. By the end of this weekend we should have a pretty good idea as to how smart out FO is.
Articles like this..
..are proof that everyone’s going stir-crazy and that all the realistic possibilities have been discussed.
The only way Cleveland drafts Sanchez is if they already have a deal in place to trade his rights to another team.
Oh god
No more quarterback controversy. Please, please, please. Between Xavier Henry’s recruitment and the Denver Broncos Ongoing Soap Opera, I’m about out of energy for drama.
I somehow don't think signing Sanchez or Quinn
would make KO or CS fly to Nashville. ; )
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 21, 2009 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I can't wait for the the draft
I have been counting the days for like two weeks
Basesball is just a game-RIP Nick Adenhart
+14
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 21, 2009 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions
wahoo!!!
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 21, 2009 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions
oh snap guy
the draft hear it come. I cant take. biggest draft. Come on guy lets get some body who sacked you enemy quart back so bad. we can upgradive the defence guy. Got to pict real good no bust this time. No to the bust player.
I is fan of the Denver
+2
Busts are not an option this year!
"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster
by broncosmontana on Apr 22, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I did enjoy the deer in headlites photo of Quinn
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun, A-hole" - Ash from Army of Darkness
any news on b-marsh!?
if not, that is great! they cant possibly suspend him for a lenthy amount right be4 the draft, can they??
Lynch has already received his, didn't he?
I don’t think Marshall will get anything, but I sure he got his hiney rimed out pretty good, and hopefully he won’t have any more issues. Keeping my fingers crossed.
by bfree2bronc on Apr 22, 2009 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Hears the Deal
They Give us their First Round Pick
They Give us Brady Quinn
We try to work out a three way deal that gets the Browns Mr. Forgettable (the last pick of the draft)
Why? think of all the head aches we’d have.
We’d have to pay top 5 money to a player, have three QB’s in a race
The browns get all of the hype and you know they are just going to draft a bust anyway works out perfectly
we would be lucky
as not only a bronco fan but a notre dame fan I would love to see brady quinn here! I watched him his entire college career and I think he would be a perfect fit in mcdaniels system. cleveland didnt have the right system for him to flourish in. he is a top talent and we would be lucky if he landed in denver!!!!
sorry to reighn on your parade
First off I have watched Kyle Orton play for his entire Bears career,and hes not so special. You can rag on our recievers all you want the fact remains that Orton can’t throw an accurate pass beyond 25 yards.When the ball was thrown in the vacinity of our wide recievers they were caught. Now that we have an accurate qb you will see Hester kill the league this year.
Second aging defense who you kidding the only old defenders we got left are Urlacher and the average age of the starting lineup is just 26.33 years, fourth youngest in the NFL—and faster. That means everyone can finally keep up with Urlacher. Only 28 himself.What was your defense ranking 23rd. Thats why you didn’t make the playoffs not Cutlers fault.
You know, I don't know
how anyone expected or can expect any QB to succeed with the Bears (inc. Cutler).
OL: ?‘s at both tackle spots. Pace has been hurt with knee and shoulder injuries each of the last two years. Great injuries for a 33 year old Tackle. Chris Williams still hasn’t played in the NFL. Who’s the backups when/if one or both of them go down again? Last year was even worse with St. Claire and Tait. Yikes.
WR: UM learned that Hester’s hands were too poor for him to play WR in college. Now he has to catch Cutler’s bullets? Good luck with that. Outside of Hester the roster looks even bleaker.
TE: Finally, a position with a good starter and good depth. Yeah.
RB: Forte was excellent in his first year. Yet, who is behind him in case of injury? If Forte goes down what happens to the offense? Nothing good that’s for sure.
D: Yeah it may not be getting old, but it has been getting worse. 27th in 2007. 21st in 2008. Neither ranking is much higher than Denver’s. The pass rush has been non-existent. The safety play has been lackluster. Corners have suffered due to lack of pass rush. LBs are still good.
Not only has the Defense not been the vaunted Chicago D of old, but there are tons of questions on both sides of the ball. After the trade, the Bears (who have a poor draft history regardless) have even less ammunition to add quality NFL starters at 3 critical offensive positions (T, 2 WRs), not to mention fixing a weak defense.
Until someone can convince me there is a current QB with the ability to succeed with Chicago’s limited offensive talent and their middling defense, I take anything Orton did in Chicago with a grain of salt.
In Denver he has one of the best & young O-lines and WR corps in the NFL. A backfield that despite injuries was still more productive than Chicago’s. And TEs that at the very least are the equal of those in Chicago, if not better.
Sure the defense has holes here. But we now have tons of draft picks over the next two years to fix it. So call us overly optimistic if you want. But the difference between Chicago’s offense and Denver’s offense is akin to the difference between the beaches of Somalia and the beaches of Hawaii, respectively. The difference between the defenses is even less.
Unless Cutler learns how to block, catch, pass rush and cover I fail to see where Bears fans think they can tell use we’re too optimistic.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Apr 22, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
You have been on fire of late Randall....another AWESOME post my friend!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 22, 2009 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great reply, Randall
I have never done this, but I thought that I’d add something from a comment I made up above to what is probably a dead discussion. If anyone ends up mining this twice, I apologize.
I’m find giving up some of the long passes – but before we do, it’s worth considering that both TedB and myself noticed that Orton throws good passes on certain types of longer throws. The question there becomes why coaching asked him to throw passes he wasn’t good at when there were so many that he was.
I doubt that Royal, Stokley or Marshall will miss the finger jams from all the throws that Jay didn’t use a touch on. They might like a more catchable ball. They might also like routes that fit their needs and appropriate play calling.
Jay? I like him and will always wish him well. But the Bears need to hope that Pace has a few good years in him, That Chris Williams will do better at right tackle than he did at left, that they draft well and that Earl Bennett does better than last year. That won’t be hard, since he didn’t catch a single ball in 10 games. They need another good receiver, but there’s something else that gets little attention.
They need to hope that somehow, somewhere their head coach and offensive coordinator suddenly become pass-savvy, that Matt Forte is going to get some help and that their offensive scheme will suddenly and magically change and bloom like a summer rose, because if all those things don’t happen, this might not be the best thing they’ve ever done.
If the coaches couldn’t use a guy who was willing to play the ball control game they asked him too, why will they suddenly be just fine giving Cutler new targets, new pass routes and new offensive plays that will please him and are totally different from the current team over-riding strategy?
Hillis in '09
The Browns are saying they want to trade down to someone who wants sanchez. we arent really that interested in him. just to let u all know.
and brady > orton and simms
beating out grossman and griese doesnt mean much. Brady had to beat Anderson, who went to the probowl in 07
Alex Hall for President
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Apr 22, 2009 7:52 PM MDT reply actions
Next QB
if coach mcd is so great at teaching qb’s, why do they need a mark sanchez? why not a graham harrell in the later rounds?
i mean, he made matt “the system qb” cassell didn’t he?
i know alot of people are bad mouthing jay cutler in this whole mess. but i think this is going to come back to haunt us. the problem was the defense. so what does bowlen do? he hires a coach to screw up the offense.
i mean mcd, you can groom any qb right? why not cutler? why are you so in love with matt cassell? are you having a secret affair behind your wifes back?
this could go down as one of the dumbest trades in the history of the NFL.
and you can’t tell me that pat bowlen isn’t regretting hiring mcdaniels. he knows this team is gonna suck!!
i have been a broncos fan for 30 years. and i am dreading the start of this season.
then i read where the team is starting to buy into the system. lets see what they’re buying when they win 3 or 4 games all year!!!!!
STUPID OWNER
Welcome to MHR!
You cover a lot of ground in your comment. As you might imagine, the topics you bring up have been discussed quite a bit on MHR. Here are some of very good FanPosts that I highly recommend:
Code of Conduct
PLEASE READ – MHR Code of Conduct
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/16/798822/please-read-this-will-be-t
Mike Shanahan
Shanny’s Draft by the Numbers (3 part series)
Shanahan Not All That Must Change
http://www.milehighreport.com/2008/12/31/705785/shanahan-not-all-that-must
(There was a great FanPost discussing blowout losses that I couldn’t find. Anyone remember what that one was called? That link should really be added here.)
Josh McDaniels
Tale of Two Systems
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/25/801973/tale-of-two-systems
Divining the McDaniels Way (4 part series)
- Part 2: The Running Game
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/7/811303/divining-the-mcdaniels-way-part-2
- Part 3: The Passing Game
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/10/811424/divining-the-mcdaniels-way-part-3
- Part 4: Propensities and Conclusions
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/14/812783/divining-the-mcdaniels-way-part-4
The Trade
The Definition of Irony
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/2/777623/the-definition-of-irony
Jay Cutler: A Brief History Lesson
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/4/819649/jay-cutler-a-brief-history-lesson
A Letter from Pat Bowlen
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/3/821652/a-letter-from-pat-bowlen
Analysis of the Jay Cutler Trade
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/4/821151/the-trade-analysis-of-the-jay
Evaluations: Cutler , Orton, McDaniels
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/4/822484/evaluations-cutler-orton-mcdaniels
Tales: Watching the Parade
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/5/822776/tales-watching-the-parade
Movin’ On
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/3/822150/movin-on
Kyle Orton
Is Kyle Orton a quick fix? A look at Kyle Orton and a theory on a QB graveyard: Chicago.
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/4/823116/is-kyle-orton-merely-a-quick-fix-a
Tales: Who is Kyle Orton?
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/19/840423/tales-who-is-kyle-orton
2009 Season
What is “The Mission” in 2009?
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/17/839117/what-is-the-mission-in-2009
Player by Player Analysis: How We Should Approach the Draft
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/21/847777/player-by-player-analysis-how-we
A Time of Transition
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/2/3/745132/time-of-transition
by Leukadian on Apr 23, 2009 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
nice work coastal
I’m trying to figure out the best way to take advantage of your post here….this should be a page or something…
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 23, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks, Styg
I’m still having fun looking through the blogs of some of MHR’s more prolific contributors for other articles I remember, and in the process finding additional great posts from the past. This trip down memory lane has left me rather stunned by the quality of MHR contributors (I knew the community was great, but holy 12th man, batman, there’s some good stuff on this site), and I feel like I’m only scratching the surface. I highly recommend to everyone: if you like a commenter on MHR, click on their name then click on their blog to check out their past FanPosts.
And by the way, Styg’s blog is an amazing draft resource.
At the risk of highjacking this thread, I’d love to see everyone else’s favorite posts from the past — for a broader perspective and to revisit some that I may have missed. Here are two FanPosts that I have not been able to find, and I’d love to read again if anybody has the links:
- Bus Cook exposé (a defining moment for MHR — I think this was by Styg, but I couldn’t find it on his blog among the stunning amount of draft profiles)
- In depth coverage of Broncos blow-out losses over the past few years (as I’ve commented before, this article really helped get me through my Shanagrief )
Here are a few more that I wish I’d included originally:
Shanahan
The Fall of the Denver Rushing Attack
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/2/12/750441/the-fall-of-the-denver-rus
Things I will miss about Shanny (and a few I won’t)
http://www.milehighreport.com/2008/12/31/706048/things-i-will-miss-about-s
Statistical Review of the 2008 Broncos
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/1/6/710820/statistical-review-of-2008
The Trade
Waking up today with a sharp pain of sadness
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/2/819265/waking-up-today-with-the-sharp
Jay Cutler: The Next Jeff George?
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/2/9/754070/jay-cutler-the-next-jeff-g
by Leukadian on Apr 23, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. Followed up the
“Comment of the Year” with another one! Great MHR research there. heheh :) Love it!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Bus cook
Soils himself (or something like that)… It was put on the featured list on the sidebar, not sure if that disables it in my sidebar or if my blog is just full or something… :)
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 23, 2009 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions
if we're talking stupid trades lets have fun
If we’re going to make a stupid trade for offensive players I’d rather get a proven commodity. Quinn has done less then orton and simms.
To me Boldin would be a better trade, he’s proven and we know he can work with another star WR. Can you imagine Marshall, Royal and Boldin? Not to mention Stokely and Scheffler. I could throw for 5000 yrds in that offense.
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