Top 100 Average BPA & The Wisdom Of Crowds
Hello everyone from Limey Land across the Pond.
Thought I'd try a little long term experiment. But in the meantime hopefully some of you may find this interesting and/or useful when it comes to 2009 Draft day.
The basic principle here is that the draft is a bit of a crapshoot. We all know the "experts" get it wrong. So the idea here is to use the "wisdom of crowds" principle and try and average out some of the mistakes each indvidual scout may make.
This mitigates to some extent the ability of one expert to get it wrong, and I would venture is a better way of doing it then just working off one list,
So what you see below is an average of the Best Player Available compiled from:
WalterFootball
Drafttek
NFL DraftCountdown
NFL.com (CBS)
Pro Football Weekly
All seemingly sound sites.
While conceptually simple putting it together took some time, so I've only done players likely to be 1-3rd rounders. In total I added up the scores for about 140 or so players. I hope you find it useful when considering who should be taken when/who is likely to be taken when. But even if you don't, I'm planning to use these on draft day to see which players in my own mind are value picks/reaches. I should add that I am a big believer in BPA wherever possible as a draft strategy (assuming they fit the relevent system of course).
What I wish I had done - and will do so next year, is compile a similar list next year before the Senior Bowl/Combines etc to complement the one done one week before the actual draft. My hypothesis is that what should really matter is college production, not artificial 40 times and/or one off games etc. What I think would be very interesting is comparing the two lists 4/5 years later and then having a look at which BPA list produced the most accurate prediction of actual NFL success.
As you can see I'm planning some long term research here…..:)
Caveats -
1. This is as much a scientific experiment to see if the scouts can get it right. I should add that I have not seen a single one of these guys play (we don't get College Football here in the UK), but that's not the point. I'm relying on the "experts" to tell me who to get! Lets see if they can collectively make a good stab at it.
2. This list was put together based on rankings 2 weeks ago on the respective sites. I notice some have changed since then. Quite frankly I find this silly. If you don't know the value of a player after years of production (or lack of) in college + performance in the Senior Bowl/Combine/Pro Day Workouts then what on earth has changed one week before the draft? Stil the Talking Bobbleheads get to fill column space talking about last minute risers etc.
Anyway here's the list. Any comments gratefully received.
1. Aaron Currey LB
2. Matt Stafford QB
3. Jason Smith OT
4. Eugene Monroe OT
5. Michael Crabtree WR
6. Brian Orakpo DE
7. Malcolm Jenkins CB/S
8. Mark Sanchez QB
9. BJ Raji NT
10. Michael Oher OT
11. Knowshon Moreno RB
12. Tyson Jackson DE
13. Jeremy Maclin WR
14. Chris Wells RB
15. Everette Brown DE
16. Vontae Davis CB
17. Rey Maluagua LB
18. Andre Smith OT
19. Brandon Pettigrew TE
20. Brian Cushing LB
21. Peria Jerry DT
22. Josh Freeman QB
23. Darius Heyward-Bey WR
24. Darius Butler CB
25. Clay Mathews OLB
26. Percy Harvin WR
27. James Laurantius LB
28. Aaron Maybin OLB/DE
29. Robert Ayers DE
30. Don Brown RB
31. Ebon Britton OT
32. Kenny Britt WR
33. Alex Mack C
34. Larry English OLB/DE
35. Evander Hood DT
36. Alphonso Smith CB
37. Hakeem Nicks WR
38. Clint Simtim OLB/DE
39. Brian Robiskie WR
40. William Beatty OT
41. Michael Johnson DE
42. Louis Delmas S
43. Max Unger C
44. LeSean McCoy RB
45. Sean Smith CB
46. William Moore S
47. Eric Wood C
48. Ron Brace NT
49. Connor Barwin OLB/TE
50. Patrick Chung S
51. Duke Robinson G
52. Rashad Johnson S
53. Jarius Byrd CB
54. Travis Beckum TE
55. Phil Loadholt OT
56. D.J.Moore CB
57. Jared Cook TE
58. Cornelius Ingram TE
59. Jamon Meredith T
60. Paul Kruger DE
61. Juaquain Inglesis WR
62. Andre Brown RB
63. Derrick Williams WR
64. Shawn Nelson TE
65. Jaron Gilbert DE
66. Fili Moala DT
67. James Casey TE
68. Marcus Freeman OLB
69. Chase Coffman TE
70. Sen'drick Marks DT
71. Darry Beckwith ILB
72. Shon Green RB
73. Sherrod Martin S
74. Lawrence Sidbury DE
75. Cody Brown OLB
76. Alex Magee DT
77. Andy Levitre G
78. Louis Murphy WR
79. Chip Vaughn S
80. Mike Thomas WR
81. Kraig Urbik G
82. Darcel McBath S
83. Mohammed Massaquoi WR
84. Gerald Cadogan OT
85. Mike Mickens CB
86. Pat White QB
87. Coye Francis CB
88. Asher Allen CB
89. Victor Harris CB
90. Brandon Gibson WR
91. Rashad Jennings RB
92. Michael Hamlin S
93. Troy Kropog OT
94. Kevin Barnes CB
95. Tyrone McKenzie OLB
96. Herman Johnson G
97. Jonathan Luigs C
98. Javon Ringer RB
99. Antoine Caldwell C
100.Kennan Lewis CB
Cheers!
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Nice Work BB
Interesting where the BPA average falls for our 48 & 79 picks compared to our percieved needs
Also interesting where Jenkins & Andre Smith land in the BPA average compared to all the mock draft projections
Nice work
Very Interesting British Bronco.
To tell you the truth, I would be happy as hell with Jackson, Smith, Brace and Vaugn! Thanks for the post.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Apr 23, 2009 6:09 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree firstfan...
Great job BB!
Rec’d.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
Very good post...
I will take number 11 at 12 and 17 at 18 – sounds like value to me!
Moreno in '09!
Walter is a smart dude...he is a Bronco hater though. :P lol
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
I can only agree
with all the above comments
+1
My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season
Definitley stick with it guv'nor
I will be interested to see where this data leads… I am a strong believer in the “tale of the (game)tape” so this could lend some credence to it. I will point ot that I think that the CBS.com/NFL.com/Rob Rang data is already a “wisdom of crowds” situation. I don’t know what sources they are averaging, but I do believe they are averaging player rankings in their list.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 23, 2009 9:33 PM MDT reply actions
Sound exactly what I like except Andre Smith at 18.
The players mentioned at our spots all seem good to me. Good job
Thanks for the research. Rec'd
It will be interesting to evaluate each scouting source and see which one is the most accurate. I hope someone can find the time to do that research.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
How do you mean?
It sounds interesting….
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 23, 2009 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I may be missing something, but....
You could enter the mocks into the MHR Draftivus to see how they do?
British Bronco mentioned these sites in the post:
WalterFootball
Drafttek
NFL DraftCountdown
NFL.com (CBS)
Pro Football Weekly
I guess it isn’t really measuring the accuracy of their player evaluations, but the MHR Draftivus scoring system would be a way to evaluate how their mocks fare relative to each other and to the MHR entries. You could add other “professionals” as well… would you want to see how Jamie Dukes, McShay, Kiper, et al, do in the Draftivus?
ahh
I probably will see how they score against our members, sounds like fun.
Also, you guys might wnat to check out this link: it rates professional mockers and talent raters each year, and maintains a three year average on them.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 24, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Nice work BB
Same situation here – I haven’t seen a single college game – well I lie, I think I saw one on a free weekend that NASN had, although aren’t they now ESPN America? But I will be damned if I can even remember who it was between. Although that said, I have found myself on the Internet arguing with people between picking two players who all I know about is seeing youtube highlights and reading 2 paragraphs on NFL.com. Which is still more research than Al Davis will do on his draft picks.
Anyway, I digress. Good work on this!
"The Wisdom of Crowds"
An excellent book that I highly recommend. It spends a chapter or so talking about Pro Football, the Patriots specifically, and the mystique that is going for it on 4th Down. Interesting stuff indeed.
Great Post!
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if you put that list together of precombine/interviews vs draft week rankings I’ll have an official man crush on you for your due diligence. And then the performance review several year later, damn that would be great.
sbhchawk
Glad you all found it interesting
How useful this is, will of course only be proved over time. But I do intend to pursue this over the coming years. While no system wil be get close to 100% it would be good to find out what system gets the closest. Is it BPA pre Combine, BPA post combine, actual draft position etc? Lots of possibilities.
And yes in reply to Artic Bronco I will keep the list from each source so we can see which website scouting gets more hits then misses over time.
Guess I had better hang around MHR for a few years then!!
by British Bronco on Apr 24, 2009 10:34 AM MDT reply actions
Great Stuff!
Great Post BB…where are you at in England? I am an American Expat Bronco fan up in Yorkshire!
London town
Been supporting the Broncos for 22 years ever since I caught John Elway demolishing Seattle 40-17 on my first ever US Footie game I ever saw on TV.
Travelled out to MH stadium twice in the 90’s (including the SB season!)
Colorado and Wyoming are gorgeous states btw.
Hope you’re liking it here in the UK!
by British Bronco on Apr 25, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
British Bronco--I have one question.......
Have you met SilverBlood yet?
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Little, Wright, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
FYI
She’s an American girl taking University at Oxford, and an MHR member. She’s the young lady wearing the Broncos gear to the Oxford / Cambridge crew matches. You can’t miss her.
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