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Around The League Day 1 Wrap-Up

I had a good time being the comments editor on the live threads today, and I also agreed to write this Around The League Day 1 Wrap-Up.  While I am not branding it as an edition of ST&NO, I'll try to keep it Shallow and Narrow, like always.

1.  To keep this family-friendly, John Clayton is a total fool.  Peep this from his Day 1 wrap-up:

5. Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team. He signed three running backs in free agency and drafted another (Knowshon Moreno). And then he sent Denver's first-round choice in 2010 to Seattle for this year's 37th overall choice, which he used to pick cornerback Alphonso Smith. That's bizarre. Mike Shanahan must be laughing at that one.

I wasn't initially that thrilled with the Moreno pick, but it's growing on me.  What helped was listening to Michael Lombardi say something that made temendous sense.  He said that in a 3 WR set, a star RB makes a defense defend the box, which in turn, opens the WRs up to do damage.  I'm an offense guy, and I never really thought about it in those specific roster construction terms, though it's obvious.  Yesteday, he talked about how Chris Johnson opened everything up for the Titans this season, by being a star back in a mostly 3-wide scheme.  So I am happy with Moreno. 

Clayton's non sequitur about signing 3 RBs in free agency is typical of him.  They're guys who will compete for a roster spot, and either will or will not make the team.  We only want the best players making our team, John.

To the point of trading next year's 1st rounder, I come back to the concept of the time value of money (TVM.)  My first bachelor's degree was in Finance, and you spend a lot of time on TVM in that kind of program.  Basically, a dollar today is worth more than a dollar next year, mostly because there is certainty in the purchasing power of that dollar today.  This applies to future draft picks, which tend to be discounted to the middle of the next round.  So, next year's one is equivalent to a mid 2nd round pick next year.  The 37th pick is a high second round pick, so it's theoretically a good deal.

Mike Mayock thinks this is a weak draft, and that's fine, but it is utterly meaningless in this case, and he and Charley Casserly tried to make it seem meaningul.  Alphonso Smith is a smart, productive, versatile, high-character player who can contribute right now.  His quality is completely independent of anybody else's quality, or the group's aggregate quality.  It has absolutely zero to do with the overall depth of a draft class.

By the way, I like Ayers, McBath, and Quinn too.  Read HT's article which focuses on the Broncos' haul, as he did a great job making sense of it.

As for Clayton, I wonder if he himself is claiming to have a great grasp of how to build a team.  Maybe he fancies himself as another Ernie Accorsi or something.  All I know is, when you're just some bug-eyed tool pundit (meant negatively, as always,) you should be careful showing such certitude about something which has a lot of potential to be thrown back in your face for years to come. 

Rectum?  Damn near killed him.

Star-divide

2.  AFC One-Liners!!!! Yay!!!

a.  New England's first three picks were terrific (Chung, Brace, Butler) but the Vollmer pick was a reach.

b.  The Jets got their man in Mark Sanchez, and have to be happy to have something so exciting to sell their fans as a new 1st round QB.

c.  Perplexing day for the Bills, with a not-ready-for-primetime pass rusher, 2 interior offensive linemen (when you need a Left Tackle,) and a slow CB.

d.  Miami picked three great athletes in Vontae Davis, Pat White, and Sean Smith, and followed their profile very closely.

e.  Baltimore got great value, as usual, with Michael Oher and Paul Kruger.

 f.  Cincinnati picked two productive guys with character red flags, in Andre Smith, and Rey Maualuga.

 g.  I liked Cleveland's trade with the Jets, but the guys they picked sort of made this a loser of a first day.

 h.  The Steelers kind of bombed too, with no offensive line help appearing.

 i.   Houston improved their defense with Brian Cushing and Connor Barwin, and will be in the playoff mix this season.

 j.   For Indianapolis, I like Donald Brown, and am less high on Fili Moala, but mostly, I wonder why no WR?

 k.  Jacksonville set out to solidify the OT spot, and did so resoundingly with Eugene Monroe and Eben Britton.

 l.   Tennessee got good value with Kenny Britt and Sen'Derrick Marks, though neither projects as a star.

 m.  Oakland did the Al Davis shuffle, and picked two guys who are going to be busts.

 n.  Kansas City reached for Tyson Jackson, but he'll be a good player for them.

 o.  San Diego picked a good player in Larry English, but Ryan Clady will dominate him regularly.

3.  And now, NFC One-Liners!!!! Double-Yay!!!!!

 a.  Dallas sat out, which created an ironical situation which was used to stupidly criticize Denver's desire to jump in for Alphonso Smith.

 b.  The Giants did very well, taking 3 guys who will start sooner rather than later (Nicks, Sintim, Beatty.)

 c.  Philadelphia continued to overhaul its offense by getting good pick values for Jeremy Maclin and LeSean McCoy.

 d.  Washington kept their first-rounder (!!) and took Orakpo, who hopefully isn't soft and used to being coddled, like nearly all former Texas Longhorns.

 e.  Chicago sat out also, because like their QB, they're too cool for school.

 f.  Guru and I disagree, but I like Detroit's Day 1 performance, especially Brandon Pettigrew.

 g.  For the Packers, great pick on Raji, and questionable pick on Clay Matthews, given their roster.

 h.  Minnesota did great with Percy Harvin, and added a potential good RT in Loadholt.

 i.  Atlanta got a good player in Peria Jerry, and a high-risk/high-return player in William Moore.

 j.  Carolina was kind of meh, in my opinion, but I get what they were doing.

 k.  I hope New Orleans isn't planning on leaving Malcolm Jenkins in a lot of one-on-one island situations.

 l.  Josh Freeman will eventually be a very good NFL QB for the Buccaneers.

 m.  Arizona strengthened themselves with Wells and Brown.

 n.  Taking Jason Smith and James Laurinaitis was like hitting back to back doubles for the Rams.

 o.  The Niners did well to land Michael Crabtree, but the decision to trade out of the second round was weird.

 p.  The Seahawks are going to be back to being competitive this season, given decent health, and Curry and Unger will start right away.

4.  Teams which gave me a warm fuzzy include Baltimore, Miami, Detroit, Jacksonville, Seattle, Minnesota, New England, the Giants, and our own Broncos.

5.  Teams which I judge to have spit the bit include Dallas, Chicago, Buffalo, Cleveland, New Orleans, Carolina, Pittsburgh, and most especially, Oakland.

6.  Did I mention that I think John Clayton is a fool?

7.  Retired for John Elway.

8.  NFL Network did a terrific job with the coverage of the Draft, with the exception of occasionally letting Jamie Dukes appear on their air.  He claims that Florida State is the Harvard of the south.  All I know is, I spent 6 years in Jacksonville, and the least bright people in town are overwhelmingly the people wearing garnet and gold, so I think he's incorrect about his alma mater.

Anyway, the things that ESPN does which make me want to throw something didn't happen on NFLN, and it was most refreshing.  Minimal cliches, no Berman pomposity, a complete lack of Kiper irritability, and zero terrible suits (even from Prime Time!!!!)  Kudos to them for doing a good job.

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Great psot and read TB....thanks for sll your work today mate...much appreciated!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on Apr 25, 2009 9:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Forgot one thing I dod not see on your post...

Is John Clayton one of the biggest idiots out there?

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on Apr 25, 2009 9:45 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

A bit of a weenie, but not as foolish as mentioned above

by yallas on Apr 25, 2009 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

You are the biggest homer I have ever read.
Ayers-Smith-Quinn for Cutler…..I am as sick as I have EVER been as a Bronco……and instead of calling John Clayton a fool, why don’t you answer the question, why do they spend all that money and sign 3 players with Arrington getting a good size signing bonus and then drafting a RB….Surely they made it up as they went.

by yallas on Apr 25, 2009 9:55 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The answer is there

if you take the time to read and understand.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay I'll give you the signing bonus as a head scratcher

You’re keeping us honest, I can see that. But to me the salient point is that having a star RB in an otherwise empty backfield in 3 wide is exactly what we need for big plays on offense…

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see your point as well

Just wish we had concentrated on our weaknesses a bit more and not on position of adequate strength…I really do think that Hillis could have been the real deal…now as an Hback I guess

by yallas on Apr 25, 2009 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sooo...

If we don’t share your assessment of the players we drafted or traded or signed, then we’re homers? Sweet! I’m a crazy homer then.

"The mystic chords of fandom, stretching from every trade and signing to every active account and guest all over this broadband, will yet swell the chorus of union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature". ~ Abraham Lincoln-ish

"The tree of victory must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of quarterbacks and coaches". ~ Thomas Jefferson-ish

by ejruiz on Apr 25, 2009 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep….you seem to love Kool Aid too!!

by yallas on Apr 25, 2009 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

My favorite Kool Aid is tropical punch….is yours orange flavored? LOL

by yallas on Apr 25, 2009 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps...

You should try the special flavor that was a big hit in Jonestown a while back…

"The mystic chords of fandom, stretching from every trade and signing to every active account and guest all over this broadband, will yet swell the chorus of union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature". ~ Abraham Lincoln-ish

"The tree of victory must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of quarterbacks and coaches". ~ Thomas Jefferson-ish

by ejruiz on Apr 25, 2009 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry you think I am such a homer...

You forgot to add Orton to the trade for Cutler. I am happy with these picks.

As for Clayton being a fool, I stand behind that. Signing 3 average RBs in free agency doesn’t preclude you from drafting a guy like Moreno. His assertion that a guy has no clue marks him as a fool.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Apr 25, 2009 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We could have tried to move up for Raji…taken Orakpo who might have Merriman written all over him…very strong….I do like Moreno living is SEC country, but I listened to McDaniels talk about Arrington the same way he talked about Moreno with the 3rd down blocking bit…He spent 10 million on him with 3 million guaranteed….just dissapointed we didn’t get our biggest needs answered

by yallas on Apr 25, 2009 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your logic that next years 1st rounder is worth a 2nd rounder this year.

That pick could be used to get McCoy or Bradford. Do you honestly think with the schedule that the Broncos are going to be picking outside the top 5? Worst trade ever.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 25, 2009 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on where Smith was on our board

If we had him as a first rounder, it’s a no brainer to get him this year. And we still have a 1st round pick next year.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus

His price tag will be better as a second rounder. And he’s a ball hawking freak. Apart from not having a killer NT, what’s not to like?

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heard he was a bit slow...is that right...

My rival Chargers fan friends have been texting me for an hour…hope they are wrong

by yallas on Apr 25, 2009 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha like the chargers cleaned up

They reached big time for Larry English

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 25, 2009 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just feel like with the schedule this year they can’t expect to have a stellar season, and the 1st rounder next year is going to be a high one, clearly management doesn’t realize that. This team should have won 5 games at most last year, and it’ll shock me if they win more than that next year with who they have to face. I certainly hope to be proven wrong, but nearly all of the moves this season reek of arrogance and incompetence.

Signing 3 FA RB’s, then using the #12 on a RB (I actually am excited about Moreno)

Cutting one of the best long snappers in the league and giving significant dollars to a comparable player (alienating some of the players in the locker room in the process)

I won’t even go into the Cutler fiasco, as I feel like both parties were equally culpable, but the head coach needs to handle himself a lot better.

I like the Dawkins signing, but let’s face it he’s old, I hope he’s still got a few years left in the tank. If it works out like the Lynch signing a few years ago I’m happy with it.

The Draft. I think much like Al Davis, McDaniels does not understand how the process works. If Heyward-Bey was THE guy for Oakland – they should have traded out of the top ten and taken him, he would have still been there and they would have had to pay him less. I feel the same about the Smith pick, not only was it a reach, but they gave up what was potentially a marquis player a year from now. It’s tough to judge a draft this early. Last year many of us were asking “Who the hell is this Eddie Royal guy?” That turned out pretty well. I just think that Clayton hit it on the head with

Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn’t have a grasp on how to build a team. He signed three running backs in free agency and drafted another (Knowshon Moreno). And then he sent Denver’s first-round choice in 2010 to Seattle for this year’s 37th overall choice, which he used to pick cornerback Alphonso Smith. That’s bizarre. Mike Shanahan must be laughing at that one.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 25, 2009 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Expectations

So you think our Head Coach should look at our schedule this year and say, you know what…I think we’re going to stink it up this year. Definitely finish with one of the 5 worst records in the league. Since we are going to suck so bad next year, record wise, let’s just plan accordingly for that and expect to draft really high next year. There’s a saying that whether you think you will succeed or fail, you’re right.

What’s wrong with having plenty of competition at RB this pre-season? If they don’t make the team, they don’t get paid. The more competition at each position the better.

I agree the long snapper move was not needed as Leach was just as good as his replacement but we didn’t overspend on Paxton as you imply. When you look at their overall deals, both players were set to make about the same amount of coin. McD paid his guy a tad bit more but not anything significant as you suggest. Leach was one of the best but so is Paxton so it’s not a step down talent wise, although it was change for changes sake so I think it was unnecessary.

I won’t go into the Cutler fiasco either, other than to say if Cutler wanted to be a Bronco he would be.

I love the Dawkins signing. Leadership is much needed on our squad. Not to mention Hill and a newly drafted Safety as well.

Don’t give up on the 2009 Broncos so quickly. I think we are going to surprise a lot of teams. I certainly glad our new HC doesn’t share your outlook because if he did, you would most likely end up being right.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 25, 2009 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll admit I could easily be wrong – I hope I am. But Seattle made it clear they would have taken the Chicago pick as well…which given the choice which would you have given up?

If they don’t make the team, they don’t get paid.

It’s called a signing bonus.

As for 2009, the 2008 Broncos were a 5 win team at best (talent wise), I still fail to see how they have significantly improved with a tougher schedule on the horizon.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 25, 2009 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all hope you're wrong too

We might lose out on some signing bonus $, but none of the 3 FA RB’s had ridiculous amounts of guaranteed $. Besides, when he signed those players he had no idea if Moreno would be there at 12. You don’t not draft your guy becuase you signed some FA’s. If you actually let that dictate your selection you would be screwed already. The FA pickups look like insurance against Moreno being taken before we picked. With Raji & Jackson off the board I loved the Moreno pick, regardless of the 3 RB’s we signed this off-season. That we landedAyers at 18 makes the Moreno pick at 12 all the better.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 25, 2009 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, & we may end up with a high 1st rounder next year still

How much better is Chicago today than they were yesterday? No weapons for JC to throw to combined with a weaker O line and an over-rated aging D. Who knows which pick will end up being higher. At least McD is betting on himself.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 25, 2009 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to

argue – not much we can do but wait and see. I hope Jay falls on his face in Chicago.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 25, 2009 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope that he falls on his face in Denver

Pre-season week 3 baby! Hopefully Ayers can help him fall on his face, and hard too! JC better hope he doesn’t throw a pick in that game. All 10 players who don’t have the ball will be going after his ass!

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 25, 2009 11:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand what you're saying

In regards to trading Chicago’s first round pick over our own, especially with our schedule. All I’m saying is I’m glad McD traded our pick b/c his goal, like every other HC is to win the SB. The trading of our 1st rounder is goal orientated in that he is planning for our pick to be #32, in which case Chicago’s will have to be higher. I applaud him for that.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 25, 2009 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do get what you are saying about the whole self fulfilling prophecy bit, and again – I hope you’re right here.
Just read the McD comments from the article on the main page and feel a little better about it now. I guess I just feel like the way things have gone on since December have been uncharacteristically unprofessional for the organization, and it’s going to take some winning for me to get over that – and my optimisim for that happening is not high. But you and many others here have said, they have a plan and are seemingly executing it (Cutler not withstanding – or maybe that was part of the plan, who knows) we’ll have to see how things pan out.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 25, 2009 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not begrudging the Moreno pick, clearly they were focused on him, especially with the fact that they were convinced he would have gone to SD at 16. But there were capable guys on the roster already at RB.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 25, 2009 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should clarify

to backup, that they seemingly attempted to replace with Buckhalter et al. I think Moreno will be head and shoulders above the rest of these guys.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 25, 2009 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do too

And Buckhalter, JJ, and Jordan still have some value. We may trade them to a team that loses a RB early in the season. They’re still our assets (until they get cut at least).

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 25, 2009 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part of

what irked me about those signings was how I feel about Torrain and Hillis. I think this basically forces Torrain out, which will happen on its own if the guy can’t stay healthy. Those issues aside he is extremely talented.
I do hope the coaching staff figures out a way to utilize Hillis – the man is a beast.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 25, 2009 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Hillis is the man! I think McD knows that. More weapons my friend, more weapons. They won’t be able to key in on any one player at all. If they do, they’ll get burnt. If they don’t, they’ll still get burnt, just not a crisp.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 26, 2009 12:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

It’s about time for me to go to bed – although i’m sure I won’t. Appreciate the discourse, and apologize for the negativity and frustration if it came off the wrong way. I also appreciate the optimism, I could use a little.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 26, 2009 12:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget Orton

Sounds like we got 4 guys that want to be here…..for one guy that didn’t want to be here.
Ayers – hopefully a guy will pressure a QB and improve our D……improve our turnover ratio
Smith – ballhawk that may improve our turnover ratio
Quinn – a good blocker that may help our running game and minimize fumbles and or pressure to the QB, not that this is a weakness of ours but…..improve our turnover ratio.

respectfully,
Homer

by Lean n' Mean on Apr 25, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have too many Bears fans to like Orton

Sorry homer…not swallowing the Kool Aid…should have kept that extra 1 to get our guy next year

by yallas on Apr 25, 2009 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

and yet

you haven’t seen Orton play one game yet for the Broncos. It’s a little early to say he’s gonna be good or bad, IMO.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

My friends follow the Bears like I follow the Broncs and I am sick with him at the helm…I will be glad to eat crow if I am wrong….like your attitude broncosmontana

by yallas on Apr 25, 2009 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

like yours too yallas

I try to never knee jerk on what some might perceive as pure negativity. Gotta keep ballast in our heads until we see some games. I’m with you completely on your earlier point about wishing we’d addressed what we perceive as our areas of weakness. And I do love Hillis. Maybe we get to dish some gnarly Hillis/Moreno wildcat on the league this year. So many things not yet known, but I do believe there’s some room for optimism as much as there is for concern.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

For all

of my bitching above about McDouchebag and how he has handled this organization – I actually think Orton can be successful in his system and will surprise alot of people.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 25, 2009 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are we supposed to take you

seriously when you use phrasing like that for the team’s coach?
I mean seriously — there’s a real mean spirit to the comments from people disapprove. Can you phrase things like adults and back up with facts the things you don’t like? I don’t approve of everything McDANIELS has done so far, but I think there’s a plan and am willing to see how he fares with that plan before categorizing things as successful or a failure. I really feel exasperated with some of this stuff. Sorry.

by underdog on Apr 25, 2009 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because

he’s doing such a fantastic job of leading this franchise, and he’s proved throughout his illustrious career that he is a successful head coach. I just think that with the way things have been handled this offseason that he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 25, 2009 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not here

We don’t use terms like that to talk about Bronco players, coaches or management.

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Apr 25, 2009 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand

trying to keep the blog clean, but jumping on everyone who doesn’t use a coach or players real name is a little sanctimonious. Clearly people are frustrated. Relax a little.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 26, 2009 12:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't have anything to do with it being his real name,

it’s because we are fans of the Denver Broncos, and you are calling our coach a douchebag. That’s not sanctimony, that’s Bronco pride.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Apr 26, 2009 2:49 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Full of Bronco pride... but...

I applauded bring McDaniels here as I’ve thought for a few years now Shannahan was losing his magic…

However…

Since day one, McDaniels has not shown much reason in his handling of things. Maybe he does have some master plan, the irony is that no one with a grain of football intelligence can see clearly what that plan is. Rather he appears to be playing by the moment, going with his gut as to whatever the current situation is whether it’s fielding a phonecall about a prospective trade, signing free agents, or shuffling around draft picks.

I’ll always be a Bronco fan, but part of what has built that love is the stability this organization has displayed as a whole for the better part of 3 decades. Stability is not something I’d tag to the current state of affairs at Dove Valley.

by apelikejay on Apr 26, 2009 4:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Feminine cleansing products

are a topic more suitable for a Denver Post thread. We’re trying to keep things civil and respectful and reasoned here. If you can state a case or opinion without name calling, you’ll find a lot more people agreeing with you. Just to clarify.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

wishing for iggy

MHR...and proud of it!

by MHRsGirl on Apr 26, 2009 8:19 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't know that

Cutler very may have wanted out as soon as Shanny was fired. He could have been pissed that his wink wink deal for a huge contract extension this off-season walked out with Shanny. He may have forced his way out regardless of who was brought in as our next HC. No one knows the truth of that fiasco other than Cutler himself.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 25, 2009 11:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmmmmm

Jay gets voted into the pro bowl ahead of qbs with better stats…sees a new system being installed that isnt gonna be as pass crazy as the one that was there…is prolly gonna not have as good a passing stats (but fewer interceptions)…so…since hes a “show me the money” kinda guy…he wants out

MHR...and proud of it!

by MHRsGirl on Apr 26, 2009 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

ridiculous

I’m with Yallas again.
For instance are you in the know as to how to build a team?
I’m also sick as I’ve ever been as a fan.
But I’m still a true fan, so you Koolaid drunk fools can quit with anything to the contrary!
I like some of the players but my GAWD!!
Only the Raiders did worse than we did!
Pat B is truly the laughing stock of the league.
Go Broncos
I’ll trade this season for a new coach.
Sorry but i will.
I don’t want to waste three or more years with this idiocy.

by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 25, 2009 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

give it a season

they have a plan just cause we dont know what the plan is like we have for the last 15 years doesnt mean there isnt a plan

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 25, 2009 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think its rediculous that all the couch surfing fans out there really think they know more than McD about what the team needs

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Apr 26, 2009 2:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe...

It’s because us couch surfing fans have spent the last several years seeing every play these players make on the field, not just the ones that make the highlight reels currently being used in training.

Or maybe it has to do with every other outside source that arguably knows as much about football as our new coach, being as baffled as us potatoes are.

SIDE NOTE: nice little quote there about the Okoye-Atwater hit. Unforgettable.

by apelikejay on Apr 26, 2009 5:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Knowshon

I hope all of you Broncos fans get behind Knowshon 100% because he is such a good guy. Explosive RB, genuinely nice guy, passionate player. He’s an instant highlight reel. Y’all got a very special player.

by Georgia Dawg on Apr 25, 2009 9:55 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Love Knowshon

Don’t like McDaniels plan….Orakpo would have been a blast. Glad to have a RB but that was a solid postition already

by yallas on Apr 25, 2009 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo wasn't a good fit for the 3-4

Least that’s what I heard. ^^ I was actually hoping we’d get him too.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo looked a bit like Merriman to me

Look for fast Washington ran their card to the commisioner

by yallas on Apr 25, 2009 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol yeh i noticed that

bout tripped over themselves!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo can not play in space

his hips are to tight. Also can you name the last good DE or any player for that matter to come out of Texas? Didn’t think so

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 25, 2009 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was it though?

Buckhalter = 3rd down back. Arrington = return/depth guy. Jordan = who knows? With Moreno you are getting an elite talent, the likes of which the Broncos haven’t seen since Portis. Sleep on this pick. I am sure you will like it. Orakpo doesn’t fit our scheme….

by Business Socks on Apr 25, 2009 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

messed with my expectations in a big way

How about Jerron Gilbert available and we give our 2 third rounders to get a 2nd blocking tight end…another of our solid postions

by yallas on Apr 25, 2009 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

See your point on that

I really disliked the Quinn pick. I wanted Gilbert in that spot badly as well. Didn’t understand that pick at all.

by Business Socks on Apr 25, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really do like Knowshon

and I am glad the Chargers didn’t get him….

by yallas on Apr 25, 2009 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus the age factor for long term

    How many years do are FA RB’s have? And if Moreno is the second coming of L.T. or even L.T. lite it will be worth it.

"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton

by odarol on Apr 25, 2009 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks GD...I know we will.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 25, 2009 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love it...

Even if it makes no sense. This guy’s gonna be huge.

by apelikejay on Apr 26, 2009 5:07 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn’t TVM have more to do with compounded interest than in ‘certainty of purchasing power’?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 25, 2009 10:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

If you look at it in terms of future value of present money

If you look at present value of future money, you discount backwards, but you’re guessing on what the discount rate is, so there is a risk premium in there, hence the uncertainty.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Apr 25, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another component of TVM

Is that a dollar spent today is guaranteed to buy you something today. Tomorrow is not guaranteed to anybody, much less a year from now. I may not be around to spend that dollar in a year from now, but I’m here today.

While I think that McD will have more than a 1 year leash regardless of our record this season, it’s certainly not guaranteed.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 25, 2009 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

are u high?

Or just stupid?
Everything we do is based on hopes that our idea of the value of a thing a year from now is accurate.
It may be that a first next year is worth only a second this year…
I have zero faith in McDaniels ability to predict that unlikely event!
Do you people get a check from Bowlen?
Why else would you be so blindly supportive?
Look around. You’re the only ones who are.
Experts. Fans. Rival Fans. Only a few homers here…
odd

by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 25, 2009 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s uncalled for.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 25, 2009 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tone it down.

We don’t roll that way here. Disagree, but do it with respect. Please.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 25, 2009 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you get a check from Al Davis

or do you just like complaining about the Broncos?

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 25, 2009 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

I’ve read WB’s rants for months and months now on both this site & on Broncotalk. I seriously think he should just follow Cutler to the Bears. It’s obvious that he’s a bigger JC fan than he is a Broncos fan. How someone could so blindly support a player who completely abandoned him as a fan I will never understand. The anger inside of WB that has not resided at all since the whole JC fiasco is being directed at the wrong party imo. He just seems to love JC too much to bring himself to the fact that JC is the reason he’s not a Bronco anymore. Please WB, go love up your boy and his new squad.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 25, 2009 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey....I won't commit suicide over this draft but.....

Some of your comments above are astounding. How is it “MEANINGLESS” that this year’s draft is a weak draft? I think taking stock of how next years draft compares to this years is a prudent long-term move. You can’t just write it off?!!!

No offense, but the following phrase “his quality is independent of anybody else’s quality” is one of the most uninformed short-sighted comments I have ever read on this site. In reality, his quality is not independent of everybody’s, it is DEPENDENT on everybody else’s quality.

With all that said, I still think we made some good move with this draft and I am moderately excited about it. If we didn’t give up our first I would have stamped my complete seal of approval on it. Instead, just moderate support instead.

by swg777 on Apr 25, 2009 10:05 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a valid point.

A good player is a good player. If you stuck Adrian Peterson next to Barry Sanders, would that make AP a bad RB?

by ten_fiver on Apr 25, 2009 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely disagree, which is fine, I guess...

Alphonso Smith is same player, regardless of who is in this draft or next year’s draft. If the guy can play and help you now, he’s worth the trade. If you evaluate Smith as a really good player, your best guess as to what next year will look like doesn’t matter.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Apr 25, 2009 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

what?

that makes no sense whatsoever!
It matters if we could have drafted a better player next year! Of course it does…unless the world ends.
He’s the same player, regardless of who’s available that pick next year? Of course but if there are better picks available next year… really? need i continue speaking to you as if you were a child? Put down the Koolaid!
You’re selling us all out for that small check Xanders gives you!

by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 25, 2009 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 11:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

read it again

slower this time. It makes perfect sense and is 100% logical.

He disagrees with you. Get over it.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And don't forget the Bartlett motto

narrow and short-sighted! So what are you so excited about?? LOL

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

his quality is independent of anybody else’s quality?

In the context of a draft group this is true. For example the numer set : 1, 2, 4, 2, 3, 1, 3, 2, 2, 4, 2, 1, 9 The overall (average) value is low i.e. a weak draft class. Regardless of the overall quality 9 is still high even though it is surrounded by lower numbers.

In a TEAM context a players value is dependant on everyone else around him because they must interact. The draft just lumps them together randomly.

"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton

by odarol on Apr 25, 2009 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

however if you mean 9 is better than 2

And 9 only has value in relation to 2 the values are dependent. but I still think Ted’s comment is correct.

"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton

by odarol on Apr 25, 2009 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love the Moreno pick

Contrary to what everyone else is saying. Hard to pass an elite RB prospect. A solid running game is as good as adding a legit defensive piece. Moreno will be a top-5 back in this league. I have watched a lot of Georgia games and know Moreno is an absolute stud. I was hoping we would get him coming into this draft. I am much more excited after the first round of the draft for the Broncos’ season than I was during the Cutler trade. I will be the first to pick up a Moreno jersey this summer!

by Business Socks on Apr 25, 2009 10:07 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

ding!

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:01 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll probably be getting one too, to replace my Cutler jersey that I gave to a homeless man.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 25, 2009 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard that you can buy a Cutler jersey real cheap nowadays

and that they throw in a free baby bib and binkie to sweeten the deal. I’m thinking about buying a few b/c I have an infant daughter at home and I can always use some rags to clean my toilet!

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 25, 2009 11:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven’t actually given mine away – but it’s probably in the next goodwill bag that goes out. I was in the SportsFan the other day and was surprised how little they had dropped considering how well he is loved in this town these days /sarcasm.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 25, 2009 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sunk Costs

Some people just don’t understand the concept of sunk costs. It doesn’t matter how much they paid for it, if somebody’s will to give them a dollar for it they should take it. That’s a dollar more than they have now. If they don’t understand this they will get zilch for it.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 26, 2009 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is a very underrated concept

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 26, 2009 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whew...

The haters are out in full force tonight. I didn’t know there were this many future GM’s out there.

by ten_fiver on Apr 25, 2009 10:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post Ted

Nice and shallow as usual. lol

Agree about the NFLN coverage. When I switched over afterwards to the pundits on ESPN, I wanted to vomit.

McDaniels made an excellent point in his post-draft presser — paraphrasing here — in that you have to believe in the value that you’ve assigned to players over what the conventional wisdom or punditry has to say. If they had Alphonso Smith rated as highly as they seem to have, they made the right choice in my book. Why wait next year to draft for impact when we need the impact this year?

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 10:12 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly what I am getting at

And thanks for the kind words

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Apr 25, 2009 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trading next years first round pick.

If we were willing to do that…what kind of established, veteran talent could we have traded for?

I mean, I would of rather had Boldin than another DB.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 25, 2009 10:18 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I mean...

Numerous people like to think of the Cutler trade as two 1st rounds for Cutler and a 5th for Orton.

So are we saying that we think this kid is worth half a Cutler?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 25, 2009 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

we now know we traded Cutler for Ayers and Smith.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 25, 2009 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

We traded Cutler for Ayers, Smith, and Orton. You also have to figure in the 3rd they gave us that we used combined with our 3rd to get Quinn. We did lose a 5th rounder to Chi though so that somewhat balances out the Quinn pick. The real reason that we made out good on the Cutler trade, regardless of how much success Ayers, Smith, and Orton have with us is that Cutler didn’t want to play for us. We now have a locker room full of players that want to be Broncos, which is essential to our success.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 25, 2009 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

they didn't know what they traded him for at the time

assigning 20/20 hindsight to it assigns a standard of omnipotence to them, adn creates a self-fulfilling prophecy of faliure, sinc ethey can never be omnipotent.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure I’m following you on this one. I’m not saying they’re going to succeed or fail…I’m just pointing out that these are the guys we got with the 1st round picks from the Bears.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 26, 2009 2:22 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also gotta figure

Paying the signing bonus for four 1st rounds picks isn’t cheap. Maybe McDaniels thought of that….

by Business Socks on Apr 25, 2009 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not like we tied up a huge amount of guaranteed $ to those 3 RB's

It’s an open competition to make the roster. The one’s who don’t get cut and consequentially don’t get paid.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 25, 2009 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I f we have 7 RBs

we will use 7 RBs. If we somehow get VERY lukcy and no RBs get injured (even just a one or two game injury) then we will have the unlikely scenario of too many backs and we can look to see which teams didn’t get as lucky as we did int he injury dept. and who would be willing to deal…

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:06 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

just like the WR last year

whose name has completely eluded me….

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:06 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

thanks

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow man, I think Mcdaniels paid you off

Geez, I wasn’t thrilled about the Moreno pick but Quinn, when you could pick up 2 solid guys in the 3rd is insane. You gotta trade Scheffler before you get Quinn if thats what you are thinking

by roxbombers on Apr 25, 2009 10:20 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

McD said he's planning 3 TE sets

aka Ball Control offense. Scheffler isn’t going to be traded, imo.

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were worried about

being stuck at thos e#3 picks with no guys they valued as highly as they valued Quinn. Keep in mind they had reduced their board to a handful fo the best picks, not a 200 player grab bag. It is a totally different philosophy towards a board than has been discussed all year, and is already affecting how I am putting together my Broncos board for next year.

They were after particular guys today, not just guys. And yes, that is a pretty foreign concept, but not intrinsically flawed or bad.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:10 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

a quick little search

Mcshay had Quinn going in the 4th rd
Peter Schrager had Quinn in the 7th

and we gave up both 3rds for this guy?

by roxbombers on Apr 25, 2009 10:30 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

we gave up our two 3rd rounders

for the Steeler’s 2nd and 4th round picks…

My roots are in Denver and my branches in Nebraska.

by Blackshirt4Broncos on Apr 25, 2009 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I'm glad...

…our front office doesn’t give a shit what McShay, Schrager, or any of the other’s think. If they did we would be drafting like Oakland & Detroit draft every year. And as Blackshirt pointed out. 2 3rds ofr a 2nd and a 4th is a solid deal for both sides. We didn’t get ripped off with that deal.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 25, 2009 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

and McD and Xanders

had Quinn rated in the 2nd round.

Which ones make millions of dollars working in the NFL, and which ones create mock drafts for fans to get in a twist about?

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mayock

I’m confused — watchinghim on NFLN today he seemed to love all the players the Broncos drafted, including A Smith (who I’ve already said I love too). But he didn’t like the Broncos draft? I thought choosing the best player available instead of reaching to fill need every time has proven over time to be a saner drafting strategy.

So I don’t get it if Mayock is two-faced about this.

I wasn’t sure at all about the Broncos last pick of the 2nd, seemed a reach (just had to say that so yallas doesn’t accuse me of being a homer :-P ) but I know in the past there have been players we didn’t know much about who proved great so really, who knows? But I love the other three guys.

by underdog on Apr 25, 2009 10:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

ya i think indivually you can love all the guys taking the best available

But as a draft all together its not very good because you aren’t filling those pos that we really needed, but time will tell i guess

by roxbombers on Apr 25, 2009 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget

Mayock wanted us to draft Sanchez.

It’s all a crap shoot, folks. It’s random, terrible, breathtaking, and fun. Nobody knows. That’s why we’re here So let’s try to keep a little perspective on how good or bad things are. All things being equal, we may just come out of this being incredibly average. That’s still better than I’m afraid we may do. But nothing will dampen my spirit. Go Broncos!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Day 2 Options

“Projections” based on “expert” analysis do and will continue to mean nothing when compared to what NFL teams actually look for in the draft. Otherwise these so called “experts” would be getting paid in the NFL. I’m referring to Clayton and other analysts, Prisco on cbs has to be the worst.

I think the picks made so far by the Broncos are solid and are almost certainly consistent with the types of players the coaches want in their team. The projections that the Broncos needed D-Line help were too simplistic because they neglect:

(a) the quality of d-linemen available
(b) the players currently on the Broncos roster who may be more than competent for a hybrid defence
© the time it normally takes for linemen to develop at an NFL level

Having said that I think someone at NT will be needed to round off the squad as well as another 280-300 pound DE and a project ILB. If they can get all or two of those positions then this draft should be a very positive one. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Broncos traded one of their picks for a current back-up NT or DE in a 3-4 defence. Just a thought.

Rather than focus on the picks made which is important but not much can be done now, what does everyone else think the Broncos will look to do on Day 2??

by nzlbroncos on Apr 25, 2009 10:52 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you

from the bottom of my heart.

I’ll be posting in the morning on who I think represents value at the broncos remaining picks.

I’ll also be announcing some winners to the MHR contests!

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

for the list you laid out in particualr however

off the top of my head I will say

ILB: mckillop, Brinkley, appleby (in that order)
big ol nose: terrance taylor, dorrell scott (just say no to hampton!!)
34DE project: Roy miller, Richard Walker ( my value pick of the draft)

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:18 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking forward to seeing your finalised list for Day 2

I have an initial feeling this draft is a good one and believe there are suitable players already on the roster to play either a 3-4 or a 4-3. However, would love 2 more guys to work with in the 3-4 “triangle”

by nzlbroncos on Apr 26, 2009 1:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t wait to read ol’ Woodrow’s Paige’s article about this first day…he’s going to be pissed.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 25, 2009 10:52 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

He is turning into such a grumpy old grandma before our eyes!

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Get off my porch, you lousy kids!!!"

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:13 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am excited to giver Mr. Moreno a spin in Madden ’10.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Apr 25, 2009 10:57 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The Moreno Pick

Earth (Hillis/ spell Torain) 15-20 cpg
Wind (Buckhalter/ spell Arrington) 5 cpg
Fire (Moreno) 10 cpg

It could work out well.

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 25, 2009 11:07 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Every pick but Ayers was a complete reach. Be prepared to watch the Broncos go 2-14 in some of the most boring games in Denver history. 3 TE sets will work great as we get torched for 30+ points a game— at least we’ll run the clock out faster than we would have with Cutler.

by legendarywalton on Apr 25, 2009 11:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

30 points a game?

That was LAST year’s team man. Do none of the free agent signings this off season mean anything? Dawkins, Hill and Goodman alone make the secondary a lot better. The pass rush is still a question but shall we wait til after this draft is over before we declare the Apocalypse?

Also, how is the #1 running back in the draft a “reach”? You want a reach? See: Raiders, pick #7.

Perspective check, you know?

by underdog on Apr 25, 2009 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dawkins is 80 years old. We drafted a nickelback that’s five foot nine. We have no defensive line. It’s not good when a running back is given the second level on every play. You have faith that McDaniels can take all of Shanahan’s awful defensive talent and completely turn them around?

by legendarywalton on Apr 25, 2009 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot

to take my anti-hyperbole pill tonight so I can’t really respond to that. Sorry!

I’ll just say: Dawkins can still play, and will be a great guy for the younger DBs to be around as well.
I still have concerns about the DL, yes, but think it’s better with Ayers, the draft is far from done, and would not say we have “no” DL. We have tons of RB depth. We still have the same great OL we had last season. And WRs.

Do I think it’ll be a straight path to the Super Bowl next year? No, I don’t. But I also think they’ll compete. And I don’t think it’s insane to believe that.

Night.

by underdog on Apr 25, 2009 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget the FA signings

what about a friggin group of defensive coaches that actually, you know, COACH, and not spend more times getting their sons jobs on the staff?

NOLAN was teh best thing that could possibly have happened to this defense. Nunnelly is the second best thing, and Donatell is the third best thing.

Everything else is minor in comparison…

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

good stuff thanks!

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 25, 2009 11:22 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Man some of the comments coming from

people on here make me sick. Obviously McDaniels is going by his board and not listening to all those so called experts. I think people that are posting all these negative comments are listening too much to to all the so call experts that really do not know jack. Yea ESPN talked bad about everything the Broncos did but the people that run that station are Hacks and do not know anything. Turn on the TV and ESPN experts are ex players, since when does a player know how to evaluate talent and run a franchise. Last time I checked there was a reason McDaniels, Xanders, Nolan etc are working for a NFL team and these other people are on ESPN. People need to not read too much into what the Media says and have trust in the people that actually run the Broncos

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 25, 2009 11:28 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

You trust this team’s management? McMigraine is an utterly classless arrogant prick. Bellichick got his players to buy into the “Patriot Way” because he cheated until he got caught. Now the system is self-perpetuating. A 30 something with a chip on his shoulder will NOT gain the trust of the locker room.

by legendarywalton on Apr 25, 2009 11:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

^ Exhibit A

"They need a hero to tell them that the impossible can become possible..... WHEN... YOU'RE... AWESOMMMME!" -- Rhino the Hamster

by broncosmontana on Apr 25, 2009 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe not fully trust but have some faith

Also we do not put up with name calling of the broncos players, coaches/management on this site. I know you joined today and are a troller. You probably joined just to post some negative stuff and what you think doest not really matter. You will learn really quick that people on this site do not put up with fans like you and you will most likely be booted sooner rather then later

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 25, 2009 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just trying to polish up the level of discourse out here. Group think allows poor organizations to continue running until they collapse and take their community with them.

by legendarywalton on Apr 25, 2009 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

calling the coach names and a “p***k” raises the level of discourse? You have to be kidding me.

It’s fine to criticize management but do it like you would to their face or any of ours. Otherwise, even if you make a good point it’ll be hard to take seriously.

cheers.

by underdog on Apr 25, 2009 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

if you are calling the coach or players names you loose all credibility instantly.

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 25, 2009 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude just go post somewhere else

we do not need people like you on this site.

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 25, 2009 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why’s everyone so defensive? Had I chosen to call him callous and abrasive would you have let it fly? Curse words were invented as a point of emphasis. How many people called Shanahan a rat on this site? That’s not very fair. I think that my opinions are making people frustrated because they’re insecure about their own opinions.

by legendarywalton on Apr 25, 2009 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are not Insecure about our opinions

Unlike you we take things in and think about them before we jump to conclusions. We let our emotions pass and then analyze the situation. You are doing the opposite. You are posting while you are still emotional and not putting much thought behind your post. Its not getting defensive but you can not take anyone serious that calls the head coach by names such as “McMigraine”

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 25, 2009 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does it say about the public perception of a coach when people are openly questioning his excuse for missing Sanchez’s workout? It was all a smokescreen. If you get paid a million dollars a year, you show up and sit there.

by legendarywalton on Apr 25, 2009 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you ever think

he really had a Migraine. People do get those. The report was it was a severe Migraine and he had to go to the Hospital. That sounds too serious to be made up

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 26, 2009 12:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure that it was a legitimate medical emergency, and he even spoke about the neurological exam he had to take. I’m merely pointing out that the relationship with fans has deteriorated substantially if that’s the first thing that pops into a fan’s head, “Oh, he’s been dishonest through the entire Cutler process, why wouldn’t he be dishonest about the Sanchez workout?” Anecdotally, numerous people I’ve spoken to felt the same way.

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I

won’t begrudge him skipping the workout even if he didn’t have a migrane. The pre-draft process is such a chess match. Take TB for instance. Josh Freeman is claiming that they signed Leftwich as a smokescreen to make people think they weren’t going to draft a QB. They didn’t give Leftwich any type of guaranteed money and could dump him tomorrow at no cost to the franchise.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 26, 2009 12:10 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why’s everyone so defensive? Had I chosen to call him callous and abrasive would you have let it fly? Curse words were invented as a point of emphasis. How many people called Shanahan a rat on this site? That’s not very fair. I think that my opinions are making people frustrated because they’re insecure about their own opinions.

Actually curse words FAIL miserably to accomplish waht ACCURATE words accomplish much better. In case you didn’t know, words like abrasive and callous actually have meanings and impart information. Curse words mean nothing except that you are frustrated and can’t form a coherent thought.

Take the time to actually properly frame a thought, and you will find this group particualrly receptive and they will really appreciate your contributions, and reciprocate in kind….

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

could not say it any better

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 26, 2009 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Posting negative comments is fine

but crass name calling is not fine. I have also been skeptical of the front office decisions this year but my skepticism doesn’t justify rude comments.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Apr 25, 2009 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

quote group think after you comprehende the meaning of group think.

civility has nothing to do with being a prick, but apparently you have to be a prick to stand again group think.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 25, 2009 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So just to keep it to what the "community’ wants to talk about… A draft board is defined by all members participating. We overvalued the players we wanted, got flustered, and pulled the trigger too quickly. If we’re making personnel decisions that are this sloppy, how will it translate on the field?

by legendarywalton on Apr 25, 2009 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see how these personnel decisions translate on the field before we jump to conclusions

Many people we’re bashing the old regime this same time last year for the Royal pick. None of us know how these picks, and correlating talent evaluations, will pan out. I trust our scouts, coaching staff, and GM know a lot more than you, I , or any other fan does about evaluating college talent in the NFL draft.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 26, 2009 12:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still don’t buy that. Most people making decisions in this world got there because of their connections. No one in this organization has had any success, and they’ve changed the culture of a tremendously classy and well respected organization. I will gladly eat crow when these picks pan out, but seriously, how can we not be outraged by what has happened this offseason?

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

As much as i’ve maligned McD above, your comment

No one in this organization has had any success

is not true. He was immensely successful calling the offense for New England the last few years. As evidenced by this.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 26, 2009 12:28 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here’s the keys to a Bugatti. Break a speed record.

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh?

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 26, 2009 12:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the talent and camaraderie present on that team, anyone in the NFL with a clipboard could have done what he did.

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:39 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And anybody in the league could have gone 16-0 the year before? I think you’re not giving him enough credit.

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 26, 2009 12:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weiss was an offensive genius. As a Notre Dame fan, I know how that has worked out. Bellichick scouts the players and fits them to the system, then he inflates his staff. When they get sent out on their own, they find out they never left with his true tool kit.

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peraps

Or perhaps McD is a genius who doesn’t need BB’s tool kit at all. Perhaps BB learned a trick or 2 from the hotshot kid he hired and McD didn’t share all his tools with BB either. No one knows. Let’s at least let him coach, please.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 26, 2009 12:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

See

now we are geting closer to actually discussing a topic. There are several points worth validly disagreeing with here, but I will take one in particular: I don’t think this organization still had the respect it earned leading up to and during the golden years of the shanny era.

Remember all teh canned D-coordinators and whimiscal player evaluations (i.e. promote a player to the roster just to fire him after one game?) I would go so far as to say that without firing Shanny, no decent free agent or defensive coach was ever going to come to Denver.

That isn’t respectable, and something needed to change.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:31 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was absolutely 100% against firing Shanny this year because of injuries, etc. I’m ok with going after a young coach. I’m not OK with going after a coach from an organization that thinks its above the league and has not produced one single top coach (see Weis, Crennel, and Mangini).

The Defense was a joke, I agree. One of this site’s best articles was a proof that with a marginal defense Cutler was 11-1 (marginal meaning they gave up the league average in points against).

Now McDaniels has come in and shown a personality that makes me question how genuine his decisions truly are. Every pick seemed self serving, saying “Shanahan was so bad at evaluating talent, I’ll take the complete opposite direction”. Yes, other people are in the room with him, but he’s surrounded by his own King’s Men.

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like you dislike beeeeelicheck

and are projecting his qualities onto mcdaniels.

Frankly, I haven’t seen any of the personality questions you are talking about…. I think McDaniels and Beeeelicheck are far different in personality. McDaniel’s altest press conferences seem to be proof of that… Beeeelicheck would never talk for ahlf an hour about draft strategy…

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate that whole organization and the culture that has sprung up around them being hyped by ESPN. Bowlen bought into it, and I don’t want anyone else to do the same. Referring to everyone on your team as “The Player”, that’s just silly…

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he Hate the whole Organization

Maybe you should go get a new team then. Last time I checked the Patriots WIN every year and the Broncos have not won anything in awhile. If we WIN McDaniels can call everyone on the Team “The Player” all he wants

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 26, 2009 12:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We as Broncos fans know all too well. You don’t follow the guy, you follow the guy that follows the guy. We are dismantling a proud tradition to remake it in the image of the Pats. When McDaniels is gone, we’ll be sad that the torch that was passed from Red Miller to Dan Reeves and then (circuitously) Mike Shanahan.

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just b/c we hired the Patriots OC

as our HC doesn’t mean we’re trying to remake the Broncos in the image of the Pats. All it means is Bowlen hired who he considered the best guy who was in the running for the job. Because he came from NE doesn’t mean what you have taken it to mean.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 26, 2009 12:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don’t see an overwhelming amount of similarities?

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

you have no Valid points

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 26, 2009 12:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

1) We didn’t address the run on defense
2) We reached on all of our picks— we didn’t know the draft board
3) McDaniel’s is remaking the image of the Broncos as Pats’ West. Something I despise.

If you don’t think any of those are valid, then thanks for the cordial debate, but we’ll never look at football the same way.

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 1:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong

1. We did address some of the Run D in Robert Ayers
2. We did not reach on Moreno or Ayers. We may have given up to much for Alphonso Smith but he has 1st round talent and is a ballhawk.
3. McDaniels is not Belicheck. Get OVER It. He is not turning us into the Patriot West. You have no facts to back that up. Also last time I checked all the Pats do is Win every year and the Broncos have been since Elway is Average. I will take elite over average any day of the week.

You sound like a fan that did not like the McDaniels Hire from Day 1 and you never gave him a shot. You are still bitter from the Shanny firing even though the Broncos under Shanahan had become average at best. Also all of this is coming from a newbie that joined the site today to most likely just argue.

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 26, 2009 1:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sounds as if

You’re truly upset at Culter leaving, not at how we drafted at all. Your sentence “how can we not be outraged by what has happened this offseason?” makes readers infer that you’re bashing how we drafted so far b/c you’re still upset at McD over the Cutler ordeal.

It seems a common theme here, the people who hate McD b/c Cutler chose to demand a trade and then refused to reconcile with his bosses are the one’s who think we had a horrible day 1 of our draft. It’s sad people let one event cloud their judgement of another completely separate event.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 26, 2009 12:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We were the most active team during the offseason, signing 16 players (if I remember correctly), only one of which (Dawkins) will make a true impact. The other players will just be earning a paycheck.

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:38 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

we don't know that

and if anything, indicators are that Hill and Goodman are impact players. Andra has ALREADY had an impact on young players like Woodyard, and we haven’t even played a game yet…

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So now it’s a discussion of impact that can’t be quantified? Kind of like what Chauncey did to the Nuggets?

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure chauncey can be quantified

they are in the playoffs after all. Of course, I don’t really follow the nugs, so I can’t really say what Chauncey’s impact was…

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 12:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course it can't be quantified yet

They haven’t started playing yet!!!! You don’t know how much of an impact any of the new additions will or will not have and that’s exactly the point Styg pointed out.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 26, 2009 12:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was referring to the fact that these guys have already made an impact, meaning that they are “character” guys. We should have addressed the run on defense. Now that I think about it, the only good thing we did today was keep Knowshown from pulling an LT part 2 and running all over us for another 10 years in SD.

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wouldn't have mattered

who we drafted on day 1. Your hate of McD would have brought criticism just the same.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 26, 2009 12:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade up for BJ Raji. Trade down for more d-line help. Then draft whoever you want in rounds 2 and 3. No fan has access to those scouting reports anyway!

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We completely upgraded our secondary in FA

Goodman, Hill, Dawkins, Bailey >>>>>>>> Bly, McCree, Manual, Bailey. Before we even drafted we had improved our D with players as well as with getting rid of Slowik & his scheme. We were the most active team in the offseason b/c our D absolutely sucked and our high powered offense could gain yards like a mofo but couldn’t score touchdowns. If we weren’t the most active team in FA I highly suspect you’d be criticizing McD that we didn’t sign 16 FA. McD is damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t in the eyes of fans such as you. Let’s let him coach before we call for his head on a daily basis.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 26, 2009 12:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, if you can’t stop the run, you don’t need to stop the pass. How do any of our players translate to 3 TE sets? We’re light and fast, not heavy and powerful. Clady will be completely handicapped, and that’s why drafted a blocking tight end. This is not a one year fix, and we gave up a potential top five pick for a corner that will only play nickel!

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

For a rookie

Who will step in and play nickel his first year. That sounds like he might be a good to great player for us for years to come. Sure it is a potential top 5 pick just as it is a potential bottom 5 pick.

If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.

by c_style on Apr 26, 2009 12:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is McDaniels’ tell— he is so self absorbed that Cutler will run the Bears into the ground, he sold their stock short. He could have hedged it by keeping our pick. Who knows if the strategy will work, we just know that we don’t have a conservative coach.

by legendarywalton on Apr 26, 2009 12:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow...this is all madden's fault

it kinda seems like everyone is is a total hurry to get the answer…its like twittering to the season…everyone wants everything right now…and…maybe…we have to wait to see…its okay to care…and care lots…but if we want to still be friends…we should be nice

MHR...and proud of it!

by MHRsGirl on Apr 26, 2009 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ted!

Excellent work my friend.

Highly rec’d! All the news from around the draft in one story.

You da man!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Apr 25, 2009 11:28 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent work Ted

I always enjoy your thoughts on the Broncos

by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 25, 2009 11:30 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd on this story Ted.

I am OK with the 2010 1st round pick for Smith. NFL = not for long. When you are handed an opportunity to do something, you had better be ready with all hands on board. If we had the same injury situation in our DBs as last year, this trade and pick would look cheap.

This draft is indicating to me that we are going to have an attack offense. I expect the same on defense. I am waiting for the other shoe to drop tomorrow. What is coming with the rest of the picks – and the rest of the trades, etc before training camp begins? I have more confidence now that these guys know what they are doing. I am going to love watching Moreno run. He’s going to do plenty of it.

by Blackknigh on Apr 25, 2009 11:37 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Last thought on Clayton

Can anyone dig up his post-draft critique of Denver’s draft last year? Because it turned out to be a pretty good one (based on the first two picks alone) but I seem to recall either he or maybe another pundit saying after Clady it wasn’t that good.

by underdog on Apr 25, 2009 11:40 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll

actually contribute something usefull here to make up for my frustrations above.

Clayton’s 1st day thoughts here.

I laughed reading his criticism of Chris Johnson and Jerod Mayo

"Better move your rental cars, I am about to take BP."
-Glendon Rusch

by Hizilla on Apr 26, 2009 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are astounding as always TED

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 25, 2009 11:45 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Looking forward to the trolls leaving.

Nicely done Ted.

Moving on for now.

by NedBronco on Apr 26, 2009 12:07 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

UGH

i just realized the draft starts at 6:30 am tomorrow!

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 26, 2009 12:41 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh come on

Seriously? This was a good draft day? We were the 29th ranked D last year and our first pick is a RB? McDaniels already talked about RB by committee and that he was comfortable with that…guess he’s still trying to figure it out? Nice. As far as the Ayers pick…he had one nice year as a freshman and his productivity went down each year after that…he is not strong enough and gets manhandled easily (go back and look at tape of the Alabama game and see him get schooled by Smith all game long)…

Sorry, the only reason that I see that we take Moreno is if McDork isn’t convinced that Orton or Simms is his future, because I see a lot of running, not much passing. We have two weak armed QB’s who can’t make all the throws an NFL QB has to make (watch tape of Chicago games and see how the DB’s sit at about 12 yards, knowing that Orton can’t throw deep), and what, around 12 RB’s on the roster now?

The sooner McDork goes the better

by Jeremyent on Apr 26, 2009 1:55 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

iggy

MHR...and proud of it!

by MHRsGirl on Apr 26, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spot on Assessment

First thing I read about Moreno that opened my eyes was that he is a good route runner. Suddenly it makes sense. This guy is explosive and can be lined up anywhere. He is designed to create mismatches all over the field and that is what McD wants.

The other picks make sense too. They are going for guys who are going to make plays and take away the ball. Explosive offense with a defense that gets the ball back for them is a sound idea. Everyone is going nuts of the DL but frankly we have no idea how the DL will perform this year. We have changed everything in that regard, scheme and personnel. Don’t forget the FA they brought in there too.

They found players they wanted for their system and got them. Now I want to see the system in action.

Don't jump off the cliff but if the guys next to you are loud and annoying try to push them off.

by Kfustud on Apr 26, 2009 7:56 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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