Your Turn! - 2009 NFL Draft Grade - Denver Broncos

You've read all the comments, the quotes from the players, the coaches, the talking heads and all of us here on MHR and across the web. You've taken it all in, and hopefully come to some kind of early conclusion. Now take a stab at grading the 2009 Denver Broncos draft.
Below are all the picks, provided with a bit of commentary from Styg. Six offensive players, 4 defensive players. Look at it, and make an educated decision based on what the Broncos did, what they addressed, instead of what others say should have happened.
| 2009 NFL Draft | |||||
| Rd/Pick | Player, position |
School | Comments | ||
| 1.12 | RB Knowshon Moreno | Georgia | The Man. | ||
| 1.18 | DE Robert Ayers | Tennessee | Technique and Talent. | ||
| 2.37 | CB Alphonso Smith | Wake Forest | Savvy ballhawk. | ||
| 2.48 | FS Darcel McBath | Texas Tech | Smart and attacks the ball | ||
| 2.64 | TE Richard Quinn | N.Carolina | Best blocking TE in the draft. | ||
| 4.114 | FS David Bruton | Notre Dame | Team leader. | ||
| 4.132 | OG Seth Olsen | Iowa | Versatile interior lineman. | ||
| 5.141 | WR Kenny McKinley | S.Carolina | Tenacious, quick, great hands and routes. | ||
| 6.174 | QB Tom Brandstater | Fresno State | Likely #3 QB. | ||
| 7.225 | C Blake Schleuter | TCU | Smart and very athletic. | ||
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Comments
I think that as Moreno goes so goes this draft.
If Moreno is dominant than passing on DL looks smart. If he struggles everyone will second guess McDaniels for the rest of the year.
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by Philistine21 on Apr 26, 2009 8:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more
I didn’t like the pick (I still think Hillis could have been the man this year…but if Moreno produces and adds stability then it will look brilliant.
I believe we really lost the month of December due to RB injuries and not the defense (though the defense was still horrendous) had Hillis not been injured we would have gone 10-6 or 11-5 and into the playoffs.
by trumanj on Apr 26, 2009 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’ll find yourself very happy with Moreno running behind Hillis.
by Hobnail_Boot on Apr 26, 2009 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll be paying Morano WAAAAAAYYYY too much money to be running behind anyone.
I’m not sure how much a 12th overall pick makes…but I’m pretty sure it’s more than any of our other RBs are going to make.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 27, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wait...
You may have meant running behind him ‘cause he’ll be FB.
I was thinking you meant behind him on the depth chart.
Sorry if I misinterpreted that. I guess I’m just not expecting very many FB formations.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 27, 2009 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
112 points in 3 games
Denver gave up 112 points in the final 3 games. You blame this on the RBs? You’re defense allowed on season average 6.05 yards per play which is 30th in the NFL. The last three games the Bronco defense allowed a whopping 6.9 yards per play with only 1 takeaway. I just think it’s funny you all either blame Cutler or RBs, but not the horrible defense.
by surrealbears on Apr 28, 2009 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blaming Cutler?
Pretty sure nobody is blaming Cutler for the defense falling apart in the last month. Nobody I’ve read anyway. And the comment above about the RBs and the last month of the season is certainly not a widespread thought among Denver fans (not knocking it, just saying it’s not something I’ve read at all). Sure, we had RB injuries. But I think the vast majority of us know that it was the rushing defense, lack of pass rush and the general lack of turnovers that cost us the last month of the season. In other words….our defense let us down the last three games. We get it, we all saw the scores put up by the other teams in those games. So it’s not really “funny” because the vast majority of us know exactly where the deficiency was when we were losing our last three games by wide margins.
Not to mention that the original comment qualified the thought by saying the defense was still “horrendous”. Which is was.
Not to mention, we’ve all got plenty of other things to “blame Cutler” for, although talent on the field isn’t one of those things.
by Ed McCutcheon on May 24, 2009 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone could pick some good players with our picks! Areas of need Anyone? D- !
A wise man said;
Bottom line, I give the Broncos a D-. In free agency the Broncos signed 3 defensive backs (Dawkins from the Eagles, Goodman & Hill from the Dolphins) for $47 million and 3 running backs (Buckhalter from the Eagles, Arrington from the Cardinals and Jordan from the Patriots) for $44 million. Naturally, the Broncos used 3 of their first 5 picks on these positions.
They also gave up a potential top 5 pick for next years draft (which I thought was going to be used for our future QB). The Cutler trade was tolerable due to their ability to try and replace him in next years draft. I thought they would give Orton a season to see if he was worthy of being our QB of the future and if we struggled we would use next years pick on either Mccoy out of Texas or Bradford from Oklahoma. That option is now gone
This draft has cost McDaniels his throw away year. If they don’t make the playoffs this season, which based off of their schedule and their transitioning to a new scheme then one of the youngest coaches in NFL history could also become the youngest fired head coach in NFL history.
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 26, 2009 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is the option of trading up next year gone?
We still have picks in every round and assuming Chicago doesn’t go deep into the playoffs (which I assume they won’t) it won’t be that hard to trade up. Also, the DB’s we picked up in free agency are talented, but they are also all over 30 and will require replacements in the next couple of years…by which time the rookies this year will be ready to step in. I’m as surprised as anyone that we only drafted one DL, but I can’t argue with McD’s draft strategy which is to not pick a player just because you need an upgrade at a position if you don’t really think he’ll be an upgrade…pretty sound thinking as far as I’m concerned. So it really comes down to his skill at evaluating talent and the book is still out on that.
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by TD4HOF on Apr 27, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha!
Hahaha! I’m sorry, I can’t type. That’s funny!
by surrealbears on Apr 28, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But IMO, Moreno was a great pick for the money we have to spend at the 12 spot. That kind of money SHOULD be spent on someone who touches the ball or can make a difference on the outcome of the game.
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by KaptainKirk on Apr 27, 2009 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reply was for Philistine
My Dad told me about the 4 seasons:
Pre-season
Regular-season
Post-season
Off-season
by KaptainKirk on Apr 27, 2009 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
there were no D-line picks
that would have been a better value than Moreno at #12
as soon as Jackson and Raji were gone, I was 100% on board with the Moreno pick
by lolcopter on Apr 27, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gave it an A
they got who they wanted, can’t argue with that… He madea good point too: why have 200 players on your big board when you only want 50 or so?
And I feel the trades were all fair valued trades. We can disagree on who was taken, but the valuations have had precedent.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 8:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I should note that I am grading the process
and how it shook out, not the worth of the players. They all rock, some more than others, but there is talent to spare in this group.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted A also, I liked the way they went about their process----They had a plan and they followed it,
no matter what distraction, or talking head, or……
I enjoyed listening to the coaches pressers——he is the Real Deal (my opinion )
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Apr 26, 2009 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...it's an A in my book!
Moreno for obvious reasons, but I mostly impressed with the way that McD’ and Co’ didn’t deviate from the plan regardless of what happened around them. They had the ammunition to target guys they new would be there and with that were able to formulate a plan and not let the draft dictate which direction the team went. I loved this draft and am so excited for September! Why does Baseball have to be soooo looong!!!
Moreno in 2009! - Check
Mays in 2010!
by Steve O' on Apr 26, 2009 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted C
It’s hard for me to say that this was a good or bad draft. As Guru says…it takes 3 years.
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by mdierk on Apr 26, 2009 8:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Aside from Moreno I think the draft was too heavy on offensive picks
But I still give it a B for good picks overall.
"according to the map, we've only gone 4 inches"
by MikeD55 on Apr 26, 2009 8:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Maylock
We got two of his top three players in the draft – that has to count for an A right there. Definitely 2 starters with a starting nickel back to boot – that’s guaranteed any more is going to be gravy.
by pastordan on Apr 26, 2009 8:41 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I gave it an A as well
I think a lot will hinge on the two first round picks, and personally I am very happy with them. Ofcourse I would have liked a nose tackle but outside of Raji was there really anyone who could have transferred to NT and made more of a difference than Powell, Fields, or (the guy I really like) J’Vonne Parker, and the answer to that is no.
So far I also like the CFA picks. I really like the DE from Northern Iowa and he has the prototypical size to develop into a Dend in the 3-4…..that I think made this a better draft.
Time will tell, but it will all work out!!! GO BRONCOS!!!
O and I love TOM BRAnDandster
On To Victory!!!
by alacumba!! on Apr 26, 2009 8:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
should just thrown a "Y" in at the end ;)
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by TD4HOF on Apr 27, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gave it an A
Anyone the Broncos sign is an A in my book till proven otherwise. If it is otherwise, then game on and a kick em to the curb attitude is on the rise.
If you think I hate you, you may have a point.
by xBxTxDx on Apr 26, 2009 8:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
2009 Draft? How did we do?
Ask me in 3 years when I’ve seen enough to know… However, I’m confident in the grade below….
2006 Draft – A
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by Jezru on Apr 26, 2009 8:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I gave it a D.
Extreme overkill at a few positions of lesser need and relative neglect of positions of great need.
I don’t buy into BPA as a philosophy. I buy into BPA at PON…which I don’t think we did particularly well.
I think some of the trades were nonsensical and we passed on opportunities at guys that I feel would of better for or PONs.
On the bright side, I think Moreno might be truly great and I hope Ayers is at least a solid starter.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 26, 2009 8:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
BPAPON?
consider this, oh cookie masticator: lets look at it for a second (it might not be easy) as if the draft were PERFECT in its current incarnation… what does it say?
It seems to say that we have a glaring need at DB (we fired, unceremoniously, 4 in the offseason, less than one year removed from firing four others), that the NT/DT was unaddressable, or didn’t need addressed, that the Oline was fragile and needed propped up, that that we needed a playmaker at RB, that WR depth was needed, that the LB corp was good (since there is really no doubt that it WAS addressable in this draft if we so chose), that we needed a third QB to groom, and that we needed a very specific skillset to man the DE position.
CAN YOU envision a scenario where you could consider each of those 9 propositions to be true, and do you think it might be applicable to our current incarnation of blue and orange?
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 26, 2009 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely i could 'envision' a scenario where that could be true.
I just don’t think it actually is true.
I think we were relatively set at RB, WR, TE, and DB. I think we drafted numerous players to be groomed for the future when we need guys who can make an immediate impact. In the meantime, we passed on guys that were, by my own estimation, likely immediate impact players at positions that we really needed (Raji, Brace, Orakpo, Malauluga, etc.).
But I’d love to be wrong and hopefully we made all the right moves…I acknowledge that it’s somewhat possible.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 26, 2009 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to pass on Raji
When he was gone at 9 and we were picking at 12.
If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.
by c_style on Apr 26, 2009 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew someone would say that.
I think we should have worked to trade up for him (especially if we were willing to trade one of next years 1st rounders).
I don’t know if they tried or not…but I bet they could have made it happen if they were committed to doing it (obviously it’d have to be a reasonable cost).
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 26, 2009 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I raised an eyebrow as well
Taking into account the same thing that you did (the willingness to sacrifice next years first rounder) I just cannot believe that a deal could not have gotten done if it was wanted to be done. It’s not like the Jags could not have pretty much got the same pick at 12. I think it spoke volumes of what we thought of this year’s crop of DT’s and what we already had.
BtD
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by xBxTxDx on Apr 26, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's a completely different statement
Not trading up for someone and saying we passed on them are completely different statements.
If we could have just screwed another head on his shoulders, he would have been the greatest QB who ever lived.
by c_style on Apr 27, 2009 7:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we had a chance to trade up and didn’t take it then we passed on him.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 27, 2009 7:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we passed on him
his red flags were apparently to red.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 27, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raji I can see them letting go
I really would have liked them to go after Brace though…they could have made that happen for sure. That’s probably my only big gripe with the draft…we moved up to grab Smith and let Brace go.
I agree with the process they were using, but I’d like to know why they didn’t grab Brace up…what was wrong with him?
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Apr 27, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
To clarify, I'm still optimistic about our ability to be successful this season.
I’m a big Xs and Os guy and I think that’s one area we really struggled last season. I think we brought in guys that can do a lot to improve our schemes and I think that a great scheme can somewhat compensate for inferior talent. Or, conversely, a bad scheme can make the talent look worse than they really are. I’m anticipating great things from Nolan and McD in this area.
The ‘D’ grade is soley based on my opinion of the draft. Quite simply I would of liked to see them take a different approach than they did. That’s all.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 26, 2009 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your coming around---I thought that perhaps I would have to e-mail you a cookie -;)
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Apr 26, 2009 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol...you can still email me a cookie if you want.
The funny thing is that here I’m reamed for being too negative and at DP I’m reamed for being too optimistic. I just can’t win. ;-)
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 26, 2009 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey its ok, your just being real---sit back, have a cookie, I promise by the time your done eating it
You’ll feel right as rain…I’ve put in a call to Mike Clark and he’ll be shortly with some nice koolaid…
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Apr 26, 2009 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for clarifications sake...
I’m actually the ‘Championship Monster’ and not the Cookie Monster (we’re second cousins).
I do still like cookies though. Numnumnum.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 27, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn your negative...only joking PNB....
Nice post….you made your points well….but I think we drafted for scheme that the DC’s and coaches wanted.
I feel they have WAY more confidence in out front 7 than they will say.
I feel our biggest problems were in secondary.
Thanks man, and take care……and you know not to go to the DP dude……its no fun playing JV when you are a starter in varsity over here!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's fun playing at the DP though.
I take the MHR playbook over there and run all over those guys. ;-)
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 27, 2009 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of the DL...
I hope you’re right.
One good thing about switching to the 3-4 is that it somewhat shifts the emphasis from DL to LB and I think we’re relatively stronger at LB than DL. Also, I think we have some linemen that may be better suited for the 3-4 than the 4-3. I certainly hope it all works out. I’m just excited to see some creative blitz packages for a change.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 27, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Creative!?
I’d take ANY blitz package…that was sort of missing last year IIRC
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Apr 27, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
solid B. love knowshon.
wish we would of got manluga at the ayers or smith spot. Both those players seem like good picks though and ready to start.
Can’t argue with the Best blocking TE in the draft. Sounds great.
Brandstater was a interesting pick. I still see Orton starting(and play well) this season.
Pretty good draft overall. I’m excited to see what happens this season. For better or worse things are way different in Denver. :)
by Theo Zissou on Apr 26, 2009 8:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
i gave it an A-
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/26/855190/draft-day-s-analysis
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by broncoboy on Apr 26, 2009 8:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Not at the level of the Pats, Pack, or even the Bengals (nice smooth draft by them, even though they won’t immediately improve this season)…so I can’t give it an A. Above average though, most certainly.
by phantom818 on Apr 26, 2009 9:01 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I gave it a C
The only guy I know of is Moreno, so I can’t really give a good value on the draft because of my lack of knowledge of college players let alone the guys we got, so I just picked right in the middle.
I thought they would get more defensive players in the draft, however sometimes the guys you want aren’t there and you take the best player available that suits your needs and will help the team.
I’ll have a better idea over time and when the next mini-camps start. Let’s get these guys in Denver and get going.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
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by weazel on Apr 26, 2009 9:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
D
A roster full of D-Backs and RB’s is a waste with out the balanced players.
Many quality front 7 on D available when Denver decided to Offense.
Sticking to the board is a fine concept, only when you have a enough pieces to field a viable team. Our D and Special Teams are bottom of the heap, and needs were not addressed.
McD is losing me, he has acted like a consultant who has know idea of what he is doing. Comes in and does a hatchet job, with out a solid plan on rebuilding.
If we are going to blitz on every down, I think we are going to get killed.
I hope they prove me wrong – but my confidence is very shaken.
by BroncoBilly on Apr 26, 2009 9:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If we are going to blitz on every down, I think we are going to get killed.
I don’t think that this is inevitably true. You just have to go out of your way to keep the blitzes unpredictable. One thing that really appeals to me about a 3-4 is the fact that you can really make it confusing which guys are blitzing and which are dropping into coverage. Also, I think it makes it easier to overwhelm one spot on the los so you can get more pressure with less guys. That’s why versatility is so important in a 3-4 defense. Especially if you can get guys like Ayers playing at DE that can also drop into pass coverage. The key is to keep ’em guessing.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 26, 2009 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Happy
There’s a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth, but after giving us a B or C the last 2 years, I give this draft an A.
I don’t care about the value or what we traded, just look at our players holistically. I’m pretty darn happy with this haul.
by studbucket on Apr 26, 2009 9:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
B+
I really like the Moreno pick being a SEC guy I am please with the amount the first two pick s comming from the SEC I am excited I think we will continue to see some shake up from now until Aug. but am pumped we have made some great moves since Jan. and I think overall we will have a great year this year, more OVALTINE,(KOOLAIDE) please!
by War Eagle Aubie on Apr 26, 2009 9:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
B
I like the players, and I trust they fit “the plan,” but I’m disappointed that we traded away so much leverage for next year’s draft.
by CoastalBronco on Apr 26, 2009 9:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Sam Wyche of NFL.com
gives a very worthy summation of how first year GMs paired with new coaches fared in the draft:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d81002b97
Just a snippet of it:
Overlooked amid the morass of everything is that Denver acquired some really good players, who, over the long term, could help the Broncos get back to being playoff regulars. Besides Moreno and Smith, defensive end Robert Ayers (18th overall) is potentially a big-time player who addresses a need.
Their philosophy — maybe more than any other team — truly was taking the best player available, which is why the Moreno pick seemingly came out of nowhere, as did the move for Smith. McDaniels has brought the Patriots’ mentality with him to Denver, where you can’t have enough running backs or cornerbacks.
Moreno should be a big asset to quarterback Kyle Orton, while Smith adds not only to the nickel package but is a big-time returner. Free-agent acquisition J.J. Arrington is in for a world of competition as a third-down back and a returner, which is one thing Xanders and McDaniels seek at each position.
by underdog on Apr 26, 2009 9:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry, the last
two paragraphs are also quotes, too.
by underdog on Apr 26, 2009 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it's Steve
not Sam. D’oh. I need more sleep.
by underdog on Apr 26, 2009 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh oh
I thought it was a below average draft and since I could not give it a C- I had to give it a d.The coach said he was using a very specific model to design his master plan (I assume he meant the patriots. I watched as round after round the pats traded back for more pics and we traded up, seemed a lil strange. i think mareno will be great but not an area of need and will cause us to spend a lot of money at a position we had some options, in fact it seemed as though we intentionally ignored glaring needs for curious redundancy. I can`t wait to see that 1-4 defense, hope them new dbs can tackle, On whole we did get some good talent but it`s going to take a long time to put the together at this rate
by rimrock on Apr 26, 2009 9:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The Pats can trade down because their team is already stacked
and they don’t have too many holes to fill. You can’t expect .500 teams to draft like that.
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by TD4HOF on Apr 27, 2009 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gave it a C
drafting a tight end in the second was crazy in my opinion! We got good produciton from our 7 running backs last year. It should be about the same this year. I like the small cornerback. To much is made of height and the perfect weight.. Not sure, but I am 6"3 and I can not dunk. I like the fact he took some people to specifically help out special teams. It sounds like Josh is smart enough not to kick to devin hester……
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by scottwchicago on Apr 26, 2009 10:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
haha yeah i think the height thing is overrated too
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by BroncoJoe311 on Apr 26, 2009 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We needed a quality QB. Seems we got everything but.
Can’t see a strategy behind these picks; that’s what bothers me. Some obvious talent; no doubt about that. But what the hell is the overall plan ? I’ll admit that McDaniel doesn’t inspire confidence with me. I’m pretty skeptical that he knows what he’s doing. I know that will make me as popular as hemorrhoids here, but that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.
We needed a lot of defensive help and we may well have gotten some. But we didn’t get help behind center, we have too many running backs of dubious quality and I just ain’t fooling myself into thinking we’re set with two Bears cast-offs ( Jerry Angelo traded Simms away to Tampa Bay; last year wasn’t it ? ) Sorry, but I can’t see us going far with two QB’s the Bears don’t need.
C minus from me, vatos…
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by der_trommler on Apr 26, 2009 10:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Recommend
reading Steve Wyche’s column I linked to a few comments above this one. May not change your mind but it seems to have a good perspective on their plans and draft strategy.
I also disagree with you about the “running backs of dubious quality” – we have a lot of RBs, no doubt, but I think by a process of attrition we’ll be left with some very good ones. Moreno, Hillis, Torain (if healthy), and Arrington all are very talented young runners that could leave them in good shape for a number of years. Especially when you consider Denver’s OL. I am not sure about Buckhalter, given especially his health issues, and Jordan is a solid backup. Anyway, I don’t get the negativity about the RBs. Cheers.
by underdog on Apr 26, 2009 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do tell.
Ok. For those of us who woke up halfway through class, just what is that process ? I ain’t seein’ it at all.
TrommlerMeister
There are two types of people in the world. People who divide people into two types and people who don't. There is no middle ground unless you start cutting people and their choices in half. Then there's a lot of bloody ground. I'd go with the two choices. It keeps your options open. Or it doesn't.
- Ashleee Realhecher, former 2006 Miss Part Of Nebraska With Some Of Iowa That Just Isn't With That Whole Iowa Thing -
by der_trommler on Apr 26, 2009 10:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I gave it an A
Because McDaniels got the players he wanted and they are very versatile and talented. Also, I absolutely love Moreno.
"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon Moreno is the boss!
by stedtfeld on Apr 26, 2009 10:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
A.
Dig most of the picks, but kudos for going out and getting the players you want and not settling.
"Upon the instruments of death, the sunlight brightly gleams."
by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 26, 2009 10:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny story from Moreno
Denver is going to fall in love with Special K. As told to Anthony Dasher of UGAsports.com
A couple of minutes before he was announced, the former Georgia star stepped away to take a telephone call from Denver head coach Josh McDaniels, who informed Moreno that the Broncos were about to select him with the 12th pick. Moreno never told his guests who was on the other line.
“That was my first call (of the day). (McDaniels) called me and he said (the Broncos) were going to pick me at No. 12. I kept it away from my family. I didn’t tell them, I kept it a secret,” Moreno said. “So, I came back out there and they were like ‘What happened?’And I said ‘Nothing.’ So, we just sat there and then they called my name and everyone went crazy.”
by Hobnail_Boot on Apr 26, 2009 10:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Story
I gave it a solid A. I’m convinced that McD does have a very thorough plan. He tossed a lot of players that either couldn’t play or wouldn’t play for Denver and brought in a lot of talented, high character high skill, intelligent gentlemen who are also intensely competitive. Kudos!
I admit that I am having more trouble with his specific O line choices, but he gets paid for his analysis and I don’t have as much film, scouting (other than the enviable styg!) or knowledge. I trust what he’s trying to do, and I look forward to watching the results of the process.
So far, love the UDFAs that I’ve heard about, too. Great job!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Apr 26, 2009 10:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Much of this draft was about ST...
we’ve got plenty of good WR and DB already (although in a pass happy league, you can never have enough DBs), so the young studs we picked up this weekend will have time to make their mark on ST while they learn the finer points of their positions from the vets (Marshall, Royal, Stokley, Champ, Dawkins, etc.).
McD has repeatedly stated the all aspects of the team needed improvement- that includes ST, which was ranked dead last- even worse that the D last year.
I have to believe that McD and Nolan have something up their sleeve when it comes to the D’s front 7. They did ditch a few guys, but they apparently have confidence in what is there after FA. Perhaps they strongly believe that it mostly been a coaching issue the last couple of years and Nolan thinks he can coach-up the guys they have.
I’m drinkin’ the cool-aid baby! I’m looking through orange-and-blue glasses and I see great things!
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-Mark Twain, 1870
by BornOrange on Apr 26, 2009 10:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I gave it a C...
I liked the Moreno and Brandstater picks but overall it really didn’t impress me. Way too many DB’s, for one, and I didn’t like the Quinn pick especially with Coffman still on the board.
Also, I would have liked to see us try to sign Wolfert out of Missouri to help our kicking game.
Part of this is becuase I think our QB’s are awful and we’re simply not going to be very good for a while. The saving grace is that the rest of the AFC West is a joke as well.
by BroncoFaninKC on Apr 26, 2009 11:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Coffman is like Sheffler so why would we got there.....
We needed a different type of TE that will be a monster in the system, and thats what they got.
He was drafted to help red zone % and that will help greatly.
We need to ALL look outside what WE thought the needs were.
Look at the BIG picture outside of what the MSM and others had told you…..expand the mind to see the grand plan.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry but talk about "grand plans"
smacks of a franchise that doesn’t know what it’s doing.
by BroncoFaninKC on Apr 27, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
B I guess
Not what I would have done, but it looks like they got the players they wanted. I thought they’d go heavier on the front 7. Does that mean the staff thinks they can salvage Crowder, Moss, Dumervil in the new scheme? I just don’t want to see us get blown off the line like we have in the past two years.
by xandervan on Apr 27, 2009 12:34 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree on B
Like xandervan said, there are things I would have done differently and things I expected to have been done differently – especially heavier in the front 7 – but surely getting the players that you wanted is more important than getting someone who you aren’t sure about.
But when it came down to it I gave it a B simply because of Knowshon. The rest I can take or leave and must admit as much as we all know that the games won in the trenches its very difficult to get hyped about a centre, a guard and clipboard holding QB. And as special as I think Knowshon could be, I don’t like giving out As because I don’t want them getting complacent!
by mikebirty on Apr 27, 2009 3:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's funny.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 27, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ds & Fs Unwarranted
D & F votes are unwarranted at this stage in evaluating. When you are dead last in forcing turnovers, how can you knock picking proven playmakers?
by xandervan on Apr 27, 2009 12:37 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
until August, I feel it was a B...
Moreno: unexpected but after looking hard I understand it
Ayers: Still confused about not taking Orakpo but maybe more upside here??
Smith: youth movement, not bad
McBath: youth movement
Quinn: this was a solid selection, i like this guy!
Bruton: youth movement, NFL size guy!!
Olsen: big guy future of the O line
McKinley: youth/depth ( a friend for Royal to mentor in case Marshall melts down )
Brandstater: I like this one too, smart guy, big size, we could be seeing a lot of him in the future
Schleuter: see Olsen above
by KMA on Apr 27, 2009 8:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
B-, but with FAs, Upgrade to B
I think the new coach made some good moves during the draft but got caught up a little in draft frenzy by reaches on Round 2. Downgraded due to not addressing problems of meat in the middle. I am not sure we addressed the problem of people running down our throats. Who will replace Rubin Carter, Randy Gradishar and Al Wilson?
However, I like the picks involving good character and really enjoy continuing the long Bronco tradition of stockpiling quality free agents.
The Cutler episode is really officially over now with the extra next year #1being gone. So, I will judge the whole thing by how we look by late December.
Let training camp begin!
by Baltimore Bronco on Apr 27, 2009 9:50 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
they traded Cutler for Orton, Ayers and Alphonso Smith.
That is pretty damn nice sounding, but we’ll see what the cards hold, especially this year.
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 27, 2009 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Solid
I gave it a B+ in my post and ill stick true to my word
THIS ONE'S FOR JOHN!
by IamMileHigh on Apr 27, 2009 10:48 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
B
I like the type of player we chose; tough, intelligent, team oriented, high character and competitive. I like the fact we gained valuable back-ups for the O Line. I am shocked we did not find more than one D Lineman that fit the requirements. We are not going to improve until we can stop the run with our front seven. I sure hope BornOrange is right.
I have to believe that McD and Nolan have something up their sleeve when it comes to the D’s front 7.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Apr 27, 2009 10:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hello all
I am a regular at Purple Row but seldom venture into the NFL world. I am a Broncos fan. I sure McD knows what he is doing because some of the moves so far have been really questionable. To not make defense a priority tells me he is either not watching last years film or somehow thinks he can coach these guys better than the last 3-4 DC have. I am going to give him a chance since he has never coached a game but he has significantly reduced the length of his leash IMO.
by PinchHitLancePainter on Apr 27, 2009 12:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
nt, dt, ilb
“I am not sure we addressed the problem of people running down our throats”. bingo, baltimore. and it would have been easy, and cost-effective. i also would like to see a summary of the draft picks we used to trade up for the reaches at areas of non-need. a first(probably #15 or better) for a nickel back?! oh, but that’s been established, they went bpa. very debatable. value? we burned that on overpaying in the later rounds for backups/projects, and using 2 picks from the next draft. that’s ok, we got impact players/blue-chip prospects? not many.
4 d picks, what, 13? picks used, mostly for offense. an o-lineman that can’t move well in space, considered a necessity in the zb and mcd schemes. a blocking te. i would have been cool with mustard, or someone later. a 272 lb. de?! for the 3-4?! pass-rusher? not really. whoa. a slow safety?! i though they were “going the way of the dinosaur”. on and on. “win now”, or rebuilding? i don’t see either, or both. bpa and value(considering what we gave up to snag lower-rated players) doesn’t explain things, either.
and yes, the front 7. our current players are that good, and mcd knows it? no. he said it himself, he hasn’t even seen if these guys can hold the line, without any contact in camp. everyone’s going to put on 10-20 lbs. and be “coached up”?! ridiculous assumption. i gave the draft a d, no c- available. not a knock on the players selected, just when and where the picks were made, the cost, and the total discarding of our #1 needs.
as much as i like nolan, you will have a hard time scheming giving up 50+ lbs. per player along the front, and the talent isn’t even great to somewhat compensate. i think nolan wasn’t being heard, obviously. run a workable 4-3, and this all begins to make sense. lb’s are not the strength of the 3-4, the nt and de’s are. and ours are average, at best. look at other teams. defensive draft, trading cutler will fix the d, 2 #1’s each year, like the pats, draft one of the 3 qb’s next year, now we will be able to run an effective 3-4 because it’s too expensive in fa… no. stop with the excuses, already. you’ve been fooled again.
a good “plan” leaves you room to adjust to the talent you have/aquire. i don’t see that, here. it appears we intend to run the ball more(rb, te, c, g) in a “spread” offense, and run a 3-4 without the talent and size required of the formation. ask yourself this: if shanny presided over these draft selections, how would you feel? think about it. i will admit, the 1st-rounder next year(ours, because “it wasn’t worth haggling over”) for a 2nd-round 3rd corner, and the small size of the de and wr, also, has me really confused considering the bigger and tougher type of player mcd has repeatadly stated was his type prior to the draft. moreno, you better be dynamite, and healthy. nolan, good luck, buddy.
taste my blintzkrieg!
2009-year of the secondary.
by davecheffy on Apr 27, 2009 12:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I went for a C
I think picking A’s or F’s at this point is tricky without the benefit of a time travelling Delorean and a mad professor.
Love the Moreno pick. Most of the later picks look good as well. Trading Smith for 1st was possibly risky but by all accounts we just got one great player so I’m OK with it.
But am very very unsure about Ayers & McBath – I think we reached badly for them. Ayers was only realy productive for one season. That to me is major flag. Meanwhile McBath was not projected as a second round pick. I was very surpirsed when I heard his name so soon.
by British Bronco on Apr 27, 2009 1:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
To anyone giving it an A
Are you factoring in the fact that they probably gave up a high 1st round pick next year for a 2nd rounder? I just don’t get these grades. Are you basically saying “sure, anyone with 5 picks in the first two rounds should get A talent,” or are you really evaluating what they did with what they had to work with, in which case you should also throw in the fact that they are now sans a franchise quarterback.
This is insanity, I tell you. I feel like we’re back to Wade Phillips. Although that may be unfair to Wade at this point.
MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 27, 2009 5:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the objectivity
I’ve been reading the articles here for awhile and I enjoy the objectivity that seems to prevail. I also read the Post and I do have to admit it’s getting nasty over there. I don’t know when fans got soooo negative, maybe too much Jim Rome! I think it’s human nature to want to be seen as having a considered opinion and too often that means having to be critical of whomever is being discussed. Anyway, I enjoyed the analysis. Quite frankly I feel more informed for having read your article, something you don’t get from schlock journalists.
by George Hayduke on Apr 28, 2009 11:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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