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The enigma of our defensive line; a look at what we already have

Josh McDaniels and company caused a lot of controversy this weekend by not adressing what many of us armchair experts proclaimed was our biggest need: defensive line. Instead, we loaded up on secondary guys and some offensive players. To me, this signifies that either McD was very low on this year's D-line class, or that he felt that we already have the pieces in place there to be effective on D this year.

At first, I discounted the second notion as ridiculous, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that I don't really know much about a lot of the guys we have in the trenches. And when I did a little research, I realized that we actually do have a lot of guys there who are big, strong, and talented.

I by no means consider myself a defensive expert, so don't take my littl

Here's a quick rundown of our guys:

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Matthias Askew, NT, 6'5", 302. Veteran guy, signed last year, I don't know much about him. Didn't play much last year, figures to be depth if he makes the cut this year.

Nic Clemons, DE, 6'6", 300. Young guy, talented, I think his skill set is perfect for 3-4 DE. Big and strong, good size for a 3-4 end. I think he could be a very nice surprise in camp.

Tim Crowder, DE/OLB, 6'4", 275. Projected as a 3-4 OLB out of college. A good pass rusher. Was invisible last year, but could produce this year off the bench. I could see him put on 15-20 lbs. and become a 3-4 DE, but he most likely projects as a rush OLB or out of town.

Elvis Dumervil, DE/OLB, 5'11", 260. Undersized for DE, but could blow up as a rush OLB. Most likely a liability in coverage, but could rain hell on opposing QB's on third and long from a standing-up position.

Ron Fields, NT, 6'2", 315. Our only true NT. Nolan liked him so much when they worked together in SF that he was the first player Nolan targeted in free agency. Very talented and capable of taking on double teams. Could become the next Casey Hampton if he develops.

Ryan McBean, DE, 6'5", 290. Another guy I know absolutely nothing about. He appears to have good size for a 3-4 DE. I believe he is still able to be put on the practice squad, which may be the best place to develop him.

Jarvis Moss, DE/OLB, 6'6", 265. I saw him live and up close in KC, and 265 is a very generous estimate of his weight. Looks more like a basketball player than a football player. That being said, he could surprise everyone and take the rush OLB spot from Dumervil. He will most likely only be used on third and long.

J'Vonne Parker, NT, 6'4", 325. Yet another unknown quantity, he has the size and ability to play nose tackle. Will most likely end up as depth if he makes the cut. Has never played much, if at all, in the NFL.

Kenny Peterson, DE, 6'4", 300. Played well in the 3-4 Bates experiment last year. Has great size and adequate skill set to play DE in a 3-4. Another player that I think will surprise in training camp, and I think he will see the field a lot in '09.

Carlton Powell, DE/NT, 6'3", 300. I could see him fit in at NT or DE. Excellent run stopper in college, perfect skill set for 3-4 D-lineman. Is basically a rookie this year. I believe he could be a very welcome surprise in camp, and may beat out Marcus Thomas for a starting job.

Darrell Reid, DE/OLB, 6'2", 288. Very good athlete. Special teams demon. High motor. Figures to be more of a special teams player than anything, and there is nothing wrong with that. I think he may be a specialist on D, but I think he is our next Keith Burns.

Marcus Thomas, DE, 6'3", 305. Another guy that played well in our 3-4 experiment last year. I think he will easily adjust outside and probably start at LDE (the offense's strong side.) I love his talent, and I can't wait to see him in camp.

And the rookies:

Robert Ayers, DE/OLB, 6'3", 270. Versatile enough to play OLB or DE in a 3-4 or even DT in a 4-3. Listed weight of 270 at Vols website is likely too low, and I think he willl put on more this year. Compares to Adalius Thomas in his heydey with the Ravens. Probably won't start, but will contribute more than expected.

Everette Pedescleaux, DE, 6'6", 305. Big body and very athletic. Excellent size and skill set to play 3-4 DE. Good initial burst. Tackling machine with 62 his senior year, and had 6.5 sacks as well. Could be a good pass rusher and run stuffer. Potential future starter who will likely see some time this year.

Chris Baker, NT, 6'2", 326. Great size to play NT. Very athletic and productive, most of his issues seem to come from maturity problems and off-the-field issues. That said, I love his talent and I think he has a great shot to make the team and move Carlton Powell outside. I can't wait to evaluate him in camp.

And there you have it. We have 14 guys on our team listed as D-linemen, 4 of which will probably see most of their time at OLB. While many of these guys are unknown quantities (enigmas), I believe that some of them have to pan out. I mean, there are 10 guys competing for this, and if 6 or 7 end up being good, or even just above average, we could have a decent defense next year.

I also think that there are many combinations of players we can use for our starting rotation, which will be good for depth and conditioning.

RE: Thomas, NT, Fields, LE: Powell.

RE: Peterson/Ayers, NT: Fields, LE: Thomas/Powell.

That's 5 combinations right there, and that's not even counting the possibilities of unknown quantites of Clemons, McBean, Parker, and Reid. Or the possibilities of what would happen if we went 4-3.

I will close with this: Most of the 4-3 DT's we were clamoring to draft on day 2 are pretty much clones of what we already have. And Powell is essentialy a rookie this year, so getting him healthy is almost the same as spending a pick on a guy in the 4th-7th rounds. And I'm with McDaniels on one thing: you do not draft a guy at a certain position for the sake of drafting that position. I like his BPA approach, and I think he took good players at positions of need across the board. At least each of his picks makes sense, which is more than could be said for many of Shanny's picks.

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As I posted this, we got Chris Baker.

I’ll add him in real fast…

WE GOT MORENO!!!!

by papigrande on Apr 26, 2009 10:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Papi...

I am going to do a post that builds on yours if you dont mind.
Great work my friend and rec’d!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????

by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2009 7:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post! recd

i likeee

"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win"-Brandon Marshall

Neckbeard vs The Spleen: How better can this get?!?!

by broncoboy on Apr 26, 2009 10:13 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Do not forget...

I have not seen a single indication from the team that we are completely switching to the 3-4 this year, in fact, I would be less suprised if we switched to some form of 4-3 hybrid with a mixin of 3-4 and a standard 4-3, it just makes more sense with the current personnel on the roster.

Great breakdown though and is pretty much the conclusion I came up with. Even with my desire to beat my head against any vertical surface for us not taking a highly touted DT in this year’s draft. AGAIN.

BtD

If you think I hate you, you may have a point.

by xBxTxDx on Apr 26, 2009 10:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point!

That just adds to the enigma. I don’t really want to pretend I know anything about how to play DL in a 4-3 though. I know a little about the 3-4 as my school plays a variant of it that is more like a 3-5 with the 5th linebacker being an in-the-box safety, but I have no idea what a 4-3 DL would entail. Another huge factor that goes into evaluation is whether we will be playing a one-gap scheme or a two-gap scheme. If it’s a one-gap, then throw all mt insight out the window. Does anyone know whether Nolan ran a one or two gap at San Fran and Baltimore??

WE GOT MORENO!!!!

by papigrande on Apr 26, 2009 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

3-3-5? 4-3? 3-4? 5-2?

But as I have said… why pigeon hole the scheme… let us do whatever gives us the best chance to beat the team we are playing that day.

My roots are in Denver and my branches in Nebraska.

by Blackshirt4Broncos on Apr 26, 2009 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which goes on another harping point...

Use a scheme that fits the talent you have. If you cannot play a 3-4 because you do not have players that can, why do it? Fit the scheme to fit the personnel. It definately does not work the other way around and thank you again Bates for proving my point 2 years ago.

BtD

P.S. Should I even bring up the point of loving that we brought in Dawkins and Davis just for their leadership ability? If I had to suffer through Nate Webster one more year, I really would not be kidding about the whole wooden post thing.

If you think I hate you, you may have a point.

by xBxTxDx on Apr 26, 2009 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not harping

You have hit the nail directly on the head!

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Apr 27, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Papi

Great analysis….rec’d

by dmitchell624 on Apr 27, 2009 5:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

great summary, rec'd

I’m tired of the DL doom and gloom. I’m looking forward to what Nunnely does with these guys.

by CoastalBronco on Apr 26, 2009 10:22 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

McD did say that he'd like to go 3-4 as quickly as possible

That said, the possible probably entails some hybrid, perhaps some 4-3. Very nice work, young man. as an old professor, I’d give it an A. As a member, though – Rec’d!

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Apr 26, 2009 10:31 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd Papi

Great overview of the DL, its going to be great to see them in a proper scheme instead of Slow’s schizophrenic experiments..

by Scotto on Apr 26, 2009 10:31 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the rec's guys!

Scotto— that’s a great point. Hopefully a coherent scheme will bring them together more and they will able to complement each other. Also, Nolan is a heralded defensive coordinator, so he will hopefully be able to bring out the best in our young group. I like what we have there as a young nucleus to build a future around.

Another thing that I picked up on- all of our interior guys are YOUNG. All of our secondary guys (pre-draft) are old as hell. McD solved future issues by getting the secondary guys, and gave Nolan a fun new toy in Ayers. The more I think about this draft, the more I like it.

WE GOT MORENO!!!!

by papigrande on Apr 26, 2009 10:37 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Another point to consider

Another point I thought was very telling was afte rthe release of Shanahan and I think it was Champ that said, though I could be wrong on who it was, but they came out and said our defense felt like second class citizens in the organization. With them feeling like full fledged members of the team, we could once again see drastic improvement.

BtD

If you think I hate you, you may have a point.

by xBxTxDx on Apr 26, 2009 11:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

My God

I butchered that pretty badly.

BtD

If you think I hate you, you may have a point.

by xBxTxDx on Apr 26, 2009 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

point well made...

And I’m sure any team Shanny coaches for is going to take that comment very seriously when they consider taking him in. Oppressive or neglectful coaches are bad coaches! woo hoo for McD

"It means nothing to throw for 4500 yards, 25 touchdowns, and you dont win" -Brandon Marshall

by Joe Medina on Apr 27, 2009 12:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Appreciate the info - great post. Rec'd

"according to the map, we've only gone 4 inches"

by MikeD55 on Apr 26, 2009 10:53 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

How big of a problem do you think Bakers character problems will be?

"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno

Knowshon Moreno is the boss!

by stedtfeld on Apr 26, 2009 11:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

we did as well as last year and that was a great draft

We have Moreno and Ayers and that should equal Clady and Royal. Listening to MacD it sounds like the rest of the draft choices have the primary role of helping the Special Teams. To me, it sounds like he felt that was more of a problem than the defense. They also sound like they can provide some depth as last year’s did. Add this years ST candidates to Woodyard, Larson and Burnett and we will get out of the basement STwise.

by mauibroncofan on Apr 26, 2009 11:40 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

News to me on Baker.

Cool! Can we get a link or more data?

Thanks Papi!

by NedBronco on Apr 26, 2009 11:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Papi!

I was perplexed by our draft, but I supposed Nolan is happy with what he has up front…and LB. lol Keep faith…until the metal meets the meat….I’ll hold my tongue until after his plan falls apart. Which I hope I won’t have to worry about that.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Apr 27, 2009 12:00 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

good job papi

i am glad you and i are on the same page

http://www.davusx.net/assets/db/la_la_land.gif

"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

by Jon Tollerud on Apr 27, 2009 12:43 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

Great post. An additional thought — through free agency and the draft we’ve added 5 d-line & LBs.

In the college free agency tonight, we’ve added an additional 3 defenders.

I think we can put to rest the notion that Coach McD hasn’t addressed the front 7.

by BShrout on Apr 27, 2009 12:43 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Post papi..........

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Playoffs here we come!!!

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Little, Wright, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Apr 27, 2009 7:23 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Definately agree about Moss

Jarvis Moss, DE/OLB, 6’6", 265. I saw him live and up close in KC, and 265 is a very generous estimate of his weight. Looks more like a basketball player than a football player.

I totally agree here when I went to see them play on Monday Night against the Patriots last year I was specifically looking for him and that was exactly what i said lol. Definately smaller than 265. I weigh 265 i think i know what it looks like!

THIS ONE'S FOR JOHN!

by IamMileHigh on Apr 27, 2009 9:27 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great job papi. Thanks and rec'd

Looking fwd to boydy’s post as well.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Apr 27, 2009 11:18 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Who needs the MSM

when you get breakdowns like this at MHR. I swear I am one of the few in my group that isn’t dogging on the Broncos right now, and a lot of that is because of posts like this. Thanks papi.

by NFL Junky on Apr 27, 2009 1:18 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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